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Colin at cycling, you are invited to the Teahouse

Hi Colin at cycling! Thanks for contributing to Misplaced Pages. Be our guest at the Teahouse! The Teahouse is a friendly space where new editors can ask questions about contributing to Misplaced Pages and get help from peers and experienced editors. I hope to see you there! Hajatvrc (I'm a Teahouse host) Visit the TeahouseThis message was delivered automatically by your robot friend, HostBot (talk) 01:17, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Bicycle helmets in Australia

Hi! Welcome to Misplaced Pages! Have you read the neutral point of view policy? Misplaced Pages articles are required to be as neutral as possible, not taking sides on any question or issue. Your recent addition to Bicycle helmets in Australia seems to be making an argument about why bicycle helmets are bad, and that doesn't work with this policy. I'm going to remove it for now; if you disagree with me, feel free to discuss it at Talk:Bicycle helmets in Australia or ask for a third opinion on whether your proposed edit follows the neutral point of view policy. Thanks! -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:43, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit warring

Hello, and welcome to Misplaced Pages. You appear to be engaged in an edit war with one or more editors according to your reverts at Bicycle helmets in Australia. Although repeatedly reverting or undoing another editor's contributions may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Misplaced Pages this is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, and often creates animosity between editors. Instead of edit warring, please try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

If editors continue to revert to their preferred version they are likely to be blocked from editing. This isn't done to punish an editor, but to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring. In particular, editors should be aware of the three-revert rule, which says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. While edit warring on Misplaced Pages is not acceptable in any amount, breaking the three-revert rule is very likely to lead to a block. Thank you. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:55, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

The edit I made was to a statement included in "Hillman, M.. 1993. Cycle Helmets: the case for and against, Policy Studies Institute." it was a reasonable inclusion to include. Other citations listed stem from the 1980's, so age was not an issue. No proof as been provided to say the statements are in any way incorrect.

Your name

Hi, does the "at cycling" bit of your username refer to a cyclists' lobbying organisation in Australia? - Sitush (talk) 20:25, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

No ~~Colin at cycling~~

OK, thanks. Please could you sign your messages using ~~~~ in future? That is the easiest way to get a "proper" signature appended toa message and it automatically adds a link to here & also a timestamp. The output look similar to this --> Sitush (talk) 09:48, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Saw that you have signed using the four-cedilla method. Much easier for everyone, so thanks for that. - Sitush (talk) 23:34, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

I have been advised off-wiki of who you are, and I think that your response to my initial query was accurate but obtuse. It would seem from the off-wiki note that you do indeed have a conflict of interest and as such you really should declare it. You should also refrain from adding any works in which you had an involvement to the article: raise them on the article talk page and let others decide whether inclusion is justified. We are not going to make much progress if people continue to act in bad faith and it is my opinion that failure to declare an interest in an article that is as contentious and technically demanding to the reader as Bicycle helmets in Australia amounts to bad faith. - Sitush (talk) 09:33, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Clearly you are fishing around and posting unsuitable comments. I gave you a very simple answer yet you have digressed into conflict of interest issues. Contacting people off -wiki. Wiki rules require people downloading graphs to be the author, so clearly I must be the author.

I have stated that I have no substantial conflict of interest, e.g. no funding issues, sales issues, vested interest issues. Reading the wiki guidelines I cannot see how a conflict of interest arises. "A conflict of interest is a set of circumstances that creates a risk that professional judgement or actions regarding a primary interest will be unduly influenced by a secondary interest."

I am not unduly influenced by a secondary interest. I have indeed been critical of cycle helmet laws but not without reasonable/just cause and I see no conflict of interest in opposing unjust laws but from a fair point of view. Colin at cycling (talk) 17:47, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

• I contacted no-one off-wiki - someone contacted me. Actually, several people did in order to fill the gap in your obfuscated response above. Similar with Dorre, who has also obfuscated.
• You do not have to have a "substantial" conflict of interest; any conflict causes a potential problem in a controversial article. And writing a paper that is cited as a source is a pretty big likely problem. Do I have to hunt to see whether or not you actually added that thing in the first instance? Oh, and being a vocal critic of mandatory use and an officer of the anti-helmet CTC also raises issues.
• "I have indeed been critical but not without reasonable/just cause" indicates a potential POV issue, which is indeed supported by past contributipns. Same with "unjust laws".
• You also do not appear to understand that just because "Wiki rules require people downloading graphs to be the author" does not mean "so clearly I must be the author."
• I'll let you into another secret: I've also been told off-wiki that you are out of your depth regarding statistical analyses. I've had no prior dealings with those who say this sort of thing, I've no idea whether or not it is true, nor do I particularly care because the subject matter is of no interest to me. But right now you are certainly out of your depth when it comes to understanding how Misplaced Pages is intended to function. You are also making assumptions about things that I have said: I do hope that assumptions do not also form a key part of your analyses, although I guess that might explain in whole or in part why their suitability has been questioned.

COIs are not insurmountable and certainly your input on the article talk page is fine and can help to form consensus. Editing the article itself is a much less clear-cut issue. - Sitush (talk) 17:33, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

BRD

Please can you read WP:BRD because it affects this revert. - Sitush (talk) 11:15, 5 June 2013 (UTC)