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Steve Jobs

Hi. Protection of this page will not solve the problem. What you have is basically a SPA with a significant history of disruption (considering they only have a couple hundred edits), who is being allowed to continue their pattern of behaviour. I'm not going to get bogged down in interminable wrangling with a disruptive SPA when admins should be doing their jobs and preventing this disruption. No wonder so many people get frustrated and leave the project. I don't "police" pages, so I have already made my last edit on that section. Regards -- Taroaldo ✉ 23:42, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

  • To be fair, "admin should be doing their jobs" is not a fair comment since admin are volunteers, it isn't supposed to be a "job". The editor has been blocked once before, so their actions haven't been ignored. Full protection simply allows for a clear consensus to form, so if an editor wars against it, it empowers admin to take necessary action quickly. Admin have to walk a fine line when it comes to content disputes, as content is dictated by editors, not admin. Full protection is a better first option in simple edit warring situations because it doesn't favor one side or another and doesn't have the admin forcing their preferred version on the editors. Had I stumbled across that article, I would have done the same thing: Protect when you can, block when it is the only option. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | © | WER 23:57, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
  • My point was disruptive editing is tolerated far too much. I have seen vigorous discussions go on for days about reversing bans on editors who have been nothing but disruptive throughout their history on the project. Yes, admins are volunteers, but so are plain old editors. Why do regular editors have to put up with so much shit from perpetually disruptive users, go through nasty stressful discussions just to draw attention to the matter, then, if we're lucky, they get blocked for 48 hours or maybe a week after which they're back at it again. I have a question over at WP:AN right now which nobody seems to want to deal with: the example is a user who has been reported to ANI twice in two weeks (not by me), yet nothing has been done because the user refuses to respond. This is just another example of frustration. I don't do anything special around here — usually just try to clean up a bit here and there. I'm a volunteer too, but if "regular editors" aren't going to get support from those who have the tools then maybe I should stop wasting my time here, because that's what it amounts to. FWIW, I added my comments at the Steve Jobs talk page. Regards -- Taroaldo ✉ 00:16, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
    • You filed a hypothetical problem at WP:AN. It looks like two editors have offered assistance. I'm very aware of the frustration of disruptive editors and I'm sympathetic. But admin don't have infinite power to just block on command, and I think Alison choosing to protect was a good first step. Assuming a few more opine in your favor, then the editor goes back and reverts against it, I would warn them, then if needed, block them if they won't comply with consensus. Trust me, you wouldn't want a wiki where admin can ride in like cowboys and block on a whim. We have enough problems with eager blocking as it is. Alison has a COI with Apple and she has stated this on the article talk page, so there are ethical limits to what she can do there, understandably. If you get a clear consensus and there are future problems, feel free to ping me on my talk page, as I have no COI with Apple articles. I can't promise to do what you prefer, but I can promise to use my best judgement. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | © | WER 00:30, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Tough check-user case

Could you take a look at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Uayoa? It might involve someone you check briefly years ago. User:Wnwak was checked more recently and blocked by AGK, but he is apparently very busy with all the Arbcom stuff.... Someone not using his real name (talk) 00:54, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

  • Sorry to butt in here again, but I was just working at SPI and noticed this. Most of the time, you need to provide diffs for a CU to run a check. That is a huge amount of information you put up there, which is often problematic. One of the users hasn't edited since Oct 2012. A bunch of those haven't edited since 2010 or 2011. Most clerks won't bother with researching those. For example, I won't block someone that hasn't edited in a year, no less 3 years. It isn't "preventing disruption". CU can't connect something that is more than about 3 months old anyway. When you add all that info, it tends to get overlooked because it requires a ton of work to filter out the majority of information which isnt' actionable. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 01:02, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Dennis is right in that there's a lot of tl;dr right there. However, I've taken a look through some of the current diffs and there may be enough evidence to take it on. Working on it ... - Alison 01:04, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Is User:Cdtew related? He came to defend Uayoa at MILHIST. These edits look pretty weird, a sock of Uayoa editing Cdtew's comments... Someone not using his real name (talk) 01:30, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to say that it's not likely, per behavior. They just have a similar name, is all. I don't think there's enough evidence to run a check - Alison 01:33, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Glad someone is thinking of me! Unfortunately, Someone, just because I a) bugged you about getting a registered username and b) objected to your mass-prodding of articles which may have had potential to be rescued doesn't make me a puppet master or sock. I use my real name on here, and even have my personal picture. I resent the implications, as I've had a spotless record on here with nary a block or warning template. As for the diffs you showed, it looks like someone inserted a comment before my signature by mistake. You guys can check me for socks all day - ill give you my exact whereabouts on any given day to compare against. Cdtew (talk) 01:53, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Ok, I take you word for it. But beware that one of Uayoa's socks edited your comments on MILHIST, to put his words in your mouth, basically. You might want to revert those; see the diffs above. Ctway and Cdtew have an unfortunate naming similarity, so I hope you'll forgive me for asking about a possible connection give that Uayoa / Uioya / Uoayo created accounts like Nhjutyr and Nuytrb, Wnwak and Wunwak etc. Someone not using his real name (talk) 02:20, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

For your help with check-user.

Someone not using his real name (talk) 05:35, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!! ^_^ - Alison 05:36, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

FYI comments to you on Liz Kershaw talk

happy to talk here if talk page too sensitive re BLP 92.15.52.18 (talk) 03:41, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

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Just here to say, I expected better from you.--The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 03:32, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

Since it's my favorite dessert… I saw your work on the Estradiol page… looks like you had quite a flurry of activity. Also, I see you do work on the Irish Wiktionary… I wish I spoke more than a few words of Gailege. Also also, great to see that there are people willingly outing themselves with tags… it's time we were out and proud on WP! :D (I sorta outed myself on the Talk:Estradiol page by posting about my Rx.) Morgan Phoenix (talk) 05:46, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

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Possible rev/del

Hello Alison. I am wondering if this and these , meet the criteria for Rev/Del. Thanks for your time in checking on these. MarnetteD | Talk 18:54, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi there. Yes, they do! I've gone ahead and removed them (one was suppressed as being potentially libelous). Thanks for letting me know! - Alison 20:54, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for checking on them. They tried to trick us with the KF one by making the second edit. I had forgotten to ask about it at the time but the IM one today jogged my memory. I will try not to make that mistake again. Your efforts are appreciated. Have a great week. MarnetteD | Talk 21:03, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

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I've been mulling this over for a bit, and given your tenure as an admin, solid decision-making (yes, I stalked a bit. :P) and the fact that there's clear trust in you by the community in your role as an Oversighter and CheckUser, I'd like to suggest taking it to the next level in an RfB. Please consider it, and let me know if you're interested, whether on wiki or privately via email if you'd prefer. As you can see by that unsightly red link, I haven't created the page yet, to give you the opportunity to accept or decline the nomination. Signalizing (talk) 18:54, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi there. Wow ... well!! :) While I really appreciate your support here and thank you for taking the time to go through things, I don't think I'm a suitable candidate for Bureaucrat. Firstly, I'm not very active here any more, as my RL takes up so much of my time now. My other hats here (CU/OS) take up enough time on their own :) Also, at almost ten years volunteering here now, I've built up a significant number of 'enemies' now, who would doubtlessly pile in to nuke any RfB I filed. It's an inevitable side-effect of being a functionary here. Finally, my participation at external sites would probably preclude my having a successful RfB -like, ever! Thank you so much, though, for your vote of confidence. I must be doing something right - Alison 20:58, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
I can only imagine how easy it is to step on toes as a functionary/sysop, and I see that experience as only an asset to the project. *shrugs* I've been with the project since 2006, albeit under a different username, and I can recall one RfB that I knew didn't have a snowball's chance in hell. He's a 'crat today. smile My point is that you're a great admin, and though I understand your reasons for declining, the offer for a nomination stands at any time, if it's ever something you wish to pursue. Also, I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in thinking that you should be one. Haha Signalizing (talk) 22:22, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
You're not alone: I'd love to see an RfB from Alison, too. ;) I agree with and repect your reasons for not running, Alison, but it's an understatement to say that you'd have my strong support! Acalamari 22:49, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Woot, I'm the poster-boy for failed RfBs! I've made it! EVula // talk // ☯ // 23:17, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

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Tara

Hello,,can you please take a look at what has been happening on the 'Aryan' webpage,,Administrators are deleting all material relating to the Gaelic word Tara as having a possible link to the word Aryan,,even though it has perfectly valid references.They are even deleting material from the talk page and from the undelete request page and they have locked the page,one of the Admin by the name of Paul B started abusing a user also with the word ,Domn't, . Something very wrong is going on here, can you please help sort this out.--Fomact (talk) 23:35, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi there. I see you're blocked already from editing. Anyways, I'm not seeing the connection between the Sanskrit word and the modern Irish/adopted English word Tara. I used to live 20 miles from the Hill of Tara, when I was a kid, and I researched the place myself back in my teens. Anyways, as an Irish speaker, I call the place and the word Cnoc Teamhrach / Teamhair na Rí (which sounds like "k-nuck tyowrock / tyowr na ree") - the Meeting Place of the Kings. The word "Tara" itself is a modern word and is a well-worn transliteration from the Irish, and even my Irish, though modern Irish, still deviates strongly from the word you're comparing with. In short, I don't think there's much of a link, other than the Irish language (Gaeilge) being rooted in the Indo-European language tree - Alison 00:25, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

BLP?

While I can't fault you for refreshing your user page, I think it's a shame to remove your mini-essay on WP:BLP. I found your thoughts on the matter very wise, and I wish they were still there for every Wikipedian to ponder. Joefromrandb (talk) 16:49, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Criticism of NTSB by ALPA

Please come to Talk:Asiana_Airlines_Flight_214#Criticism_of_NTSB_by_ALPA if you oppose removing this controversy from the crash article. 75.208.16.211 (talk) 22:04, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Eliad Cohen AFD

May I inquire the particular policy reason as to why oversight was enacted on one of the !voters? It seems odd for an AFD.—Ryulong (琉竜) 20:55, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

The name of the account is quite unusual, and is the RL surname of a well-known editor here. The account was created by PaoloNapolitano (talk · contribs) to attempt to smear someone else - Alison 21:34, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
See here - Alison 21:36, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
So shouldn't the whole !vote be struck from the record as it's a banned user's sockpuppet?—Ryulong (琉竜) 05:11, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
I guess. I was just doing my CU/OS job - up to you to do the rest - Alison 05:56, 24 July 2013 (UTC)