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Statement by party 1

The Armenian Genocide article and its talk page have been abused as no other article in Misplaced Pages that I know of. I will also provide the opportunity for those who have levelled every imaginable charge against me to make their points.

I shall give just a few examples of the type of problems I am dealing with and why I believe that there appears to be premeditation and that many editors are involved in this.

Ottomanreference (talk • contribs) started contributing in Misplaced Pages on Febuary 17, 2006, the same day that Cool Cat edited the Armenian Genocide article after nearly 4 months of silence here. The same day Shelby28 (talk • contribs) started contributing, exclusively in the Armenian Genocide article. A day later, it was Aulkumen (talk • contribs) who appeared. Two other Turkish members were registered at about the same time and involved in Armenian issues. On Febuary 15, 2006, Adkagansu (talk • contribs) started con tributing on Armenian, Greek and Kurdish issues. He himself has given himself the objective of retaliating against Armenian, Greek and Kurds edits which he viewed as POV pushing [http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User:Adkagansu&diff=43704665&oldid=41158737 here]. On Febuary 13, 2006, Metb82 (talk • contribs) began contributing. He made edits on the Armenian genocide article, and supported Adkagansu in the removal of Armenian related material in the Adana article, and from the merging of Smyrna and Izmir, such as the removal of much of the material of Smyrna fire. Other users have also registered in this same time period but have contributed not much, an example is Deniz Hoyman ([[User talk:Deniz Hoyman|talk]] • contribs), also editing the Armenian Genocide article. Those are just few examples.

Someone purporting to be Serdar Argic, the famous newsgroup spammer has even registered an account under Ahmetcosar (talk • contribs) and himself has edited the Armenian genocide article 10 days before Feb. 17; he also edited the Serdar Argic article here and denied being Serdar Argic. Edits to Armenian Genocide were similar to the materials Serdar Argic has posted in the newsgroups, such as diff this edit.

On March 11, an anonymous user has posted some of the materials he brought in the newsgroups himself on Serdar Argic articles talk page. Given that the website http://www.tallarmeniantale.com contain Argic materials, and that the author of that website already participated on Misplaced Pages, as Torque (talk • contribs) that Argic log an account and try to clean his reputation is somehow suspicious. It is in this period that what appears to be an organized attempt to own the Armenian Genocide article began.

Some other serious issues including probably the participation of a Turkish government backed professional Sedat Laciner who registered two accounts. First an anonymous 85.99.161.91 (talk • contribs) added Sedat Laciner's journal links to the Armenian Genocide article on here and here, he then has done the same thing for Armenia article here. He then visited the Anti-Semitism article and added materials linking Armenians and Armenia to anti-semitism pointing again to Laciner's hate site here and here and here.

One day later an account Slaciner (talk • contribs) started contributing on Misplaced Pages and continuing adding his journal link to various other articles as can be seen from his contribution page. On April 1 he stopped contributing with this login and the same day another login was created, Ankaram (talk • contribs), which continued where Slaciner left off. While Laciner isn't contributing under his registered logins there are sufficient evidences that suggest that he is involved under one of the new registered users who are involved in the Armenian Genocide page. Users (one or more) user) contributing from the same Internet provider as Laciner included 85.99.17.127 (talk • contribs) and 85.103.159.14 (talk • contribs) and 85.178.46.152 (talk • contribs). Lately, one such is removing materials from the talk page - see here.

Lutherian (talk • contribs) may be involved in this and has been using various IP addresses while he wasn't registered. First he created this account claiming to be an independent third party, a checkusers has linked him to various of those IP addresses [http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3ARequests_for_CheckUser&diff=45897938&oldid=45895539 RFCU results diff here]. This was a relief for me, since the account Lutherian was created purposefully to raise suspicions on my part. He has claimed that once more I am 'accusing' third parties of being Turks here. This follows incidents with Karabekir (talk • contribs), who I believe to be a sock, see here.

There are other issues, such as users registering at about the same intervals and supporting eachothers and bringing the same points of view. The most recent example is the cases of Deepblue06 (talk • contribs) and Neurobio (talk • contribs).

Deepblue06 started contributing on May 10, 2006 and withan 48 hours Neurobio started contributing. For the first cases there is at least evidence of previous contribution as 82.145.232.205 (talk • contribs). While I doubt both are the same users, what I think is that there is some sort of collusion over what is happening in the talk page of that article, perhaps both are members of a forum. One example is when Neurobio perceived that I was out to get him (his name) and that soon after I was threatened by a user who think detaining my name and post it to threaten me here. Thinking knowing why that registered user thought the information he/she found was me reflect some organization.

Neurobio may or may not be involved in this, but considering what appears to be an organized attempt to chase me out of the Armenian Genocide article and then to POV push their positions I have no other option than thinking that this is done to hurt my credibility from users that think that I am working for some sort of Armenian organization (claim first introduced by an old member Torque, the author of the tallarmeniantale website) or being an Armenian historian from an Armenian Institute [http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3AArmenian_Genocide&diff=53844973&oldid=53802192 here]. This coming from Neurobio who levelled the same charges against me as those that can be found in materials dating back months; coming from a person who right away in his second edit in Misplaced Pages accused editors of bad faith and claimed to have read all the discussion pages which amount to 4 mb of information in the few days here. Fingering me, since beside RaffiKojian (talk • contribs) who isn't very active, I am the only user being active in that page for that long.

On the other spectrum, apparently some Armenian editors have engaged in POV edits and have been part of this ungoing POV pushing, the history of the article reflect the situation and the amount of edits reverted while in the talk page it is instructed to discuss before making any significant edits. The talk page is also being used as a discussion board, and users from both sides refuse to adhere to WP:NPOV, THOTH (talk • contribs) who is not a veteran has yet to accept to respect WP:NPOV.

Without a ruling from ArbCom, I do not believe this article will ever be viable. It should at the least be semi-protected indefinitely. I know this is exceptional, but other things have been tried and have failed. I also think that there should be administrators frequently monitoring the talk page of the article, removing edits unrelated to article. →I already know that there are evidences of incivility against me as well as not assuming good faith, but the price is too little for me to pay.← Those are only a few examples.