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http://www.sikhcoalition.org/about-sikhs/history/dhttp://www.sikhcoalition.org/about-sikhs/history/dasam-granth-its-historysam-granth-its-historyttp://www.sikhcoalition.org/about-sikhs/history/dasam-granth-its-history{unblock reviewed| reason= Guys Please don't misunderstand me but this article and the other one are the incorrect they are at best propaganda And I don't know how to use wiki or the conventions Jattnijj (talk)|decline=You are blocked for edit warring; you'll need to address that in your unblock request. --jpgordon 18:38, 3 August 2013 (UTC)}} I would decline your request if I were an admin (I'm not), but still, I am not convinced by your unblock request because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that

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Are you knowledgeable about Sikhism?

No, but that's nothing to do with your unblock request (I just saw your unblock request on recent changes). And if you don't understand Misplaced Pages, then:

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There ya' go. Insulam Simia (talk) 17:41, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

I also provided references - they were deleted !!!! http://www.sikhcoalition.org/about-sikhs/history/dasam-granth-its-history http://sikhspectrum.com/2006/02/misrepresenting-sikhism-as-vedantic-philosophy/

Where were the personal attacks? Im sure your friends are capable enough to present their arguments themselves.....

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Most of article is opimiom or propaganda, do you know anything about sikhism? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jattnijj (talk • contribs)

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Why did you remove the references

http://sikhspectrum.com/2006/02/misrepresenting-sikhism-as-vedantic-philosophy/

http://www.sikhcoalition.org/about-sikhs/history/dasam-granth-its-history

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Final warning

Despite several previous blocks, you are continuing to edit war, lob personal attacks at other users, and generally not edit according to our rules. The next time you break our editing policies, you will be blocked again, and for much longer than your previous blocks (as in, a month or more). It's time for you to slow down, learn about some of our policies (links have been provided to you above), actually check articles and references before removing verified information, and engaging in discussion rather than edit warring when your edits are disputed. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:58, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

I beg to differ the sources used are not balanced or reflective of the different views - if you have an argument please present it, but you should also know something about the subject matter otherwise you cannot discriminate between misrepresentation, mistake and coherent arguments. Jattnijj (talk) 16:00, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello, I am unsure if your recent changes to Sarbloh Granth play a role in the aforementioned edit war, but you incorrectly attempted to add references. See WP:REFBEGIN on how to add references, and WP:RELY on how to determine if they constitute as reliable sources. Thanks! — MusikAnimal 22:14, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

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Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Misplaced Pages, as you did at Jat people, you may be blocked from editing. You cannot make trivial edits for the purposes of soapboxing in edit summaries. That is vandalism. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 16:30, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

lol, did you never hear of freedom of speech ! The whole article is unbalanced and incongruous! Have you even been to India ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jattnijj (talk • contribs) 17:57, 14 August 2013‎

No, I never had the opportunity. My cameras, however, and not just once, stole my money, hopped on air planes bound for Delhi and helped themselves to a few sights: File:Bhagirathi alaknanda ganges devprayag2008.jpg, File:GroupFromNorthEastIndiaAtTaj.jpg, File:MKGandhi assassination spot.jpg, and File:JatsAroundDelhi1868.jpg, to name a few, which they managed to upload on Misplaced Pages in my name. They're still AWOL in India. The last picture makes me suspect they might be among the Jat people. Perhaps with your intimate knowledge of the country and the people, you could locate them for me. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:26, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Thats a shame, give me the details and I'll put some feelers out. Why did they upload in your name? Jattnijj (talk) 08:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Stop

Please stop this disruptive editing. You are welcome to discuss your concerns regarding the Jat people article at Talk:Jat people but not by making silly edits in order to do so via edit summary. If your concerns are legitimate then, believe me, you will find people are willing to listen to you; however, if you carry on in your current manner then you are going to be blocked from contributing and that will mean you become unable to voice those concerns. Basically, your present behaviour is self-defeating. - Sitush (talk) 20:43, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

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Jattnijj, after many warnings, the choice is clear. You can continue with these edits, insisting you're right and the community view is wrong or you can give up this tenacious and obsessive pursuit of being "right" and learn how to collaborate with others and stay on Misplaced Pages and contribute to creating great articles. Misplaced Pages Admins will follow through on their warnings so it's entirely up to you whether you persist and get blocked or change, adapt and help us with all of the work that needs to be done here. It's up to you. 69.125.134.86 (talk) 01:34, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Block proposal

Please see Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Requesting Sanctions enforcement where it is proposed that you be blocked from editing. This seems necessary because of your edit warring and disruption in the field of Indian caste material. You may be able to avoid this if you will respond in that thread and agree to follow Misplaced Pages policy in the future. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 03:18, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Is wiki here to promote democratic learning or allow bullies to write bias?

I am a jatt of the jatt race And a sikh some we are not a caste nor hindu. The caste system is a creation we did not and do not live by, its dangerous and fictitious. Some claim that jatts are a caste or labourers or peasants is not proven.

 It is a pov promoted people who propagate dogma or those up to mischief. 

If that is the point of wiki then I will fight you. If not then learn something of the subject matter ! Would you allow non Jewish people dominate the writing about them ? Which side do support copernicus or the church?

If you persist to allow this material without context, balance and researching what is already on the page you leave me with no choice but to escalate to the authorities in race and religious hatred.

The least you could do is read my comments - I am not anti western or academic but anti bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jattnijj (talk • contribs)

I've moved your comment to the correct place. The answer to your questions is that Misplaced Pages is here to provide encyclopedic summaries of reliable sources. Being a member of a group (or company, or being otherwise related to a subject) gives you no special rights or abilities to edit the page. We always go by what reliable sources say. Because, remember, anyone can claim to be anything on the internet. Would it be acceptable for me to claim to be a Jat and then go edit the page however I want, because I "know the truth". Of course not. Now, if you want to learn how Misplaced Pages works, we can help you. But if you don't--if you just want to insist that you be allowed to edit however you want according to your own personal beliefs, then you can't edit here. Editing is open to everyone who is willing to follow policies and guidelines. You have no "freedom of speech" here, because this is a privately owned website. Are you willing to give up your edit warring and combative behavior and start to edit collaboratively? Qwyrxian (talk) 06:15, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Anyone can also claim they are trying to present open, collaborative and balanced views.

This article by default is presented as truth ! That is my point.

I have as much fteedom of speech as you and anybody else to present views.

Then why don't you provide a balanced view from other sources or contextualise those you post?

You're also not provided special rights if you are not a member of the group, have been wiki longer or along time, are an academic western, arab indian or otherwise.

Please explain reliability. Please explain the mission of Misplaced Pages.

Jattnijj (talk) 07:02, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

You should also be aware that If you persist to allow this material without context, balance and researching what is already on the page you leave me with no choice but to escalate to the authorities in race and religious hatred constitutes a legal threat of the sort that we do not permit. India's legislation regarding non-discrimination etc may be fine and good but such threats have a chilling effect on discussion. You are welcome to take such actions but you will not be permitted to contribute here until they are resolved. - Sitush (talk) 06:21, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello, I just wanted to bump in and provide some resources for Jattnijj to refer to regarding his questions. WP:FREE goes into detail why "freedom of speech" does not apply to Misplaced Pages. Just as Qwyrxian explained, it is a private organization, therefore Misplaced Pages can decide how it wants its content to be presented. As for "reliability" and "mission of Misplaced Pages", I wonder if you have reviewed our five pillars yet? These are the underlying principles Misplaced Pages is based on, and it is very important to get a basic understanding of them. For more info on reliable sources you can refer to WP:SOURCE, but I think you may find WP:VERIFY very useful as well. It explains how content should be based solely on previously published information. Hope I've been of help here, cheers :) — MusikAnimal 16:30, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

It's not the indian authorities I have in mind. ...presenting rights under law is not a threat its a citizens right But my main point has and is why you dont present a more accurate view - nobody has conducted extensive reliable search, therefore your claims are too strong.

Thanks and I look forward to your response Jattnijj (talk) 07:02, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

If you provide some reliable sources on the article talk page for what ever it is that you think needs to be improved then I am sure that they will be considered. No-one is claiming to have read everything on this subject matter and the problems you are experiencing at present relate to your mode of conduct, not what you want to say (which, to the best of my knowledge, you have not yet actually explained). AS for Indian authorities, well, I am sorry if I have made an assumption but it really doesn't matter which authorities you take this to if your purpose is to seek a legal remedy. - Sitush (talk) 07:09, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

The redress I seek is balance and context through reasonable discussion is preferred.

Point 1

Why is the opening claim singularly referenced I.e. susan bayly non elite tillers?

You need to do this at Talk:Jat people, not here. The article talk page will get attention from a range of people with some sort of interest in the article subject, whereas your own talk page will only be seen by people with some sort of interest in you. Having said that, I also think you should attempt to read the article talk page before posing a question such as the one above - it has been raised on several occasions and on each occasion has failed to achieve change. I'm not saying that you will fail but repeatedly raising the same point using the same arguments (or lack of them) doesn't often work. - Sitush (talk) 07:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi sitush Im on the jat talk page waiting.....

Jattnijj (talk) 08:28, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I'll try to take a look at it later and, hopefully, others will also. - Sitush (talk) 09:13, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

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Have you actually read our policy? I see nothing wrong with the references you are deleting with no rationale whatsoever. You don't get to just delete any material that you don't like and claim "not a reliable source" without a more specific reason as to why the source is unreliable. OhNoitsJamie 16:16, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

These references arent academically peer reviewed. You cant just reference websites or names is my understanding from the jat page.

Jattnijj (talk) 16:36, 15 August 2013 (UTC) {unblock|1=I've been accused of edit warning, but gemuunely think the second pillar is not being applied effectively. Im trying to present a balanced and contextualised view that usnt going down well with some users. Two examples: On the dasam granth page the references are not academic peer reviewed so I removed them and the text they supported since otherwise they would just be claims.

On the jat page a single source is used and my point was to contextualise and provide other views and sources since there are other views and that the opening claim is contextualised e.g. a socio anthropology definition is ...

Both these articles make claims about ateas where uncertainty exists but views are presented as certain fact.

Also, what is the policy on evaluating if biased views are the published sources? }

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On the dasam granth page the references are not academic peer reviewed so I removed them and the text they supported since otherwise they would just be claims.

On the jat page a single source is used and my point was to contextualise and provide other views and sources since there are other views and that the opening claim is not contextualised e.g. a socio anthropology definition is ...

Both these articles make claims about areas where uncertainty exists but viees are presented as certain fact.

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I'm actually in India for teh next 6 months, however, the reason why I contribute on Misplaced Pages is to maintain my anonimity because some of the articles I contributed to have been contentious. I have had death threats in the past, therefore that is why I tend not to meet up up with fellow Wikipedians, but thanks for the offer. Please learn to work with felloe editors and you will find that you will be taken seriously here. Thanks SH 07:55, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Dude, serioisly? Why?

I mean I know this stuff is controversial, but shit man everyone must accept there is still lots of uncertainty, on both sides of the argument.

Jattnijj (talk) 09:56, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

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