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Misplaced Pages:Articles for creation/Bob Lilley

I have done the changes you recommended and I hope the article is approved.

Many thanks for your help in improving my article and helping me write my first contribution to Wiki.

Your deserve as much credit as anyone for this article.

As for the photo of Bob Lilley it is a family photo so as far as we are concerned it is not copyrightable. It is open - source.

(Unsigned, arbitrary date for archiving purposes) 19:19, 1 June 2013

re: Christman genipperteinga

Have made some corrections, added a question in the talk section (I hope..)

Have posted a few comments.

(Unsigned, arbitrary date for archiving purposes) 19:19, 1 June 2013

Syro-Lebanese of Egypt article

Hi Matthew,

My submitted article, the "Syro-Lebanese of Egypt" now has citations and references, as well as less wikilinks to make the article clearer. It should be good to go since I followed exactly what you told me was wrong with my first submission. How do I resend it to you guys? Will you automatically check the newly edited page for it to be reassessed? Thanks in advance, I appreciate your help with creating this wiki page.

Paulst91

Jim Sweeney's Actions re Bob Lilley SAS article

Bob Lilley SAS and Jim Sweeney's deletion of Article

Nomination of Muhammad Qasim Sadiq for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Muhammad Qasim Sadiq is suitable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages according to Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Muhammad Qasim Sadiq until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article.

Changes to my submission

Are complete (for now) and ready for your review. Would appreciate your help and suggestions.

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Scrambled eggs

You are now telling me that Misplaced Pages is not a recipe book, but that is what I have been trying to tell you. The whole description of scrambled eggs seems to be from a list of recipes? However when I add a recipe, which is much older than the others on the page, and show that it comes from - Cassell's Dictionary of Cooking with Numerous Illustrations 1874 ---ibid (p. 202), you are still reverting it. You seem to be acting in a very elitist way with newcomers trying to use, and explore Misplaced Pages, and you have given me no help so far?

bedi mahal

{{tb|User talk:Ekomkar}

mahmoud kahil page to be resolved please

Please don't past text without pasting the references

Afghanistan-Iran relations

"Following the 1978 Saur Revolution and the September 1979 assassination of Afghan President Nur Muhammad Taraki, the Soviet Union sent around 100,000 troops to the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan to help its southern neighbor defeat a nationwide mujahideen insurgency." This is very misleading. The Soviets didn't invade Afghanistan to fight the mujahideen, though it's what they ended up doing, they invaded it to overthrow the government of Hafizullah Amin, the man responsible for Taraki's death.89.121.160.79 (talk)

Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Shambhavi Singh

Hi Matthew,

Thanks so much for your comments - they were very clear and helpful. I've made edits based on your suggestions, and I've resubmitted the page - if you think it's adequate, I'd really appreciate a relatively-speedier approval, if you can facilitate that at all. Thanks again!

Cheers, Claire

Bottle Water Bans

MatthewVanitas,

please check my edit according to your suggestion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Concord_Water_Bottle_Ban

Please change the article title to "Bottle Water Bans."

Thank you

WJW

Permyak Salty Ears

Dear Sir, On June 29 you rejected my article for being short of references. Probably you didn't realise, but the article is simply a translation of the Russian language article of the same name http://ru.wikipedia.org/Пермяк_солёные_уши I have added this reference at the end of the article so you can see it but usually that would be superfluous. I suggest that (hopefully) after the article is accepted I will cross reference it with the Russian language page on the left hand side and remove the reference at the end of the page.

Allan deSouza

Hi Matthew,

Last week you gave me a lot of help in creating Shambhavi Singh's page, which I really appreciated. I'm working on creating a page for another artist, Allan deSouza, who is in many ways more widely known, published, and exhibited than Singh. I'm still having trouble getting his page published, though - I just made a few changes, adding academic references and links from GoogleBooks, as well as reformatting his exhibition list a bit. If you wouldn't mind taking a look at his page (I just resubmitted it with the recent edits), I'd really appreciate it. The page can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Allan_deSouza. Thanks a lot!

Cheers, Claire

Thanks

Thanks for your constructive criticism of my article "Permyak salty ears", which helped to get it accepted. I'm still new at this game and don't know all the rules yet, so bear with me.

Sabakiball

Hello and thank you for reading my comment. I am a bit confused by this process. I have researched and added references including several news sources, yet my article continues to receive rejections. On a whim I looked up Tchoukball which has a wikipedia article and this sport mentions no news references. It does mention dozens of clubs and organizations associated with the main governing body of tchoukball as would be the case with Sabakiball if they were deemed to be news worthy. Perhaps I am missing something, but it seems that a completely unique patented sport that has grown in just 4 years to include participation by people across North America would warrant notability on Misplaced Pages. Perhaps, as an avid Sabakiballer, I am too close to the subject but I am curious as to what makes one subject notable while another is not. Is it number of years in the public? For example, more than 250,000 students in the Dallas/Fort Worth/Richardson area are playing Sabakiball through their Physical Education classes. This is in one state out of thirty three states that have implemented the sport in schools. I would imagine someone somewhere is wondering "what the heck is Sabakiball?" Isn't what wikipedia is for? Anyway, I will stop researching information for this article if it is just a matter of time in the public eye that is needed as eventually it will become more notable and someone else can write the article. Thank you again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.184.87.19 (talk) 21:21, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

jimsh

pls aprove my band jimsh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashishben (talk • contribs) 05:14, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello, band articles must meet the rules of our policy Misplaced Pages:Notability (music). As we indicated to you in the pink "Decline" boxes on the article. Please take a look at the requirements of that policy and see if that band is able to meet them. MatthewVanitas (talk) 18:35, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Problem with Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Silesian School of Iconography ?

Oh! Thank you for your attention! But I do not know what I should do to publish this article. I am new and I make a errors. I'll try to do it according to your advice, and if you can correct me please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Like the dewfall (talk • contribs) 18:26, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Greetings Like the dewfall, your last edit blanked the whole article (not sure if you meant to do that or no). I will change it back for you to be a full article awaiting Review. It might take a week or two to be reviewed since we're backlogged, and often it takes some back-and-forth and several tries to get it cleaned up right, but we can get you up to publication if you work with us. MatthewVanitas (talk) 18:30, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

MatthewVanitas thank you for your help! Like the dewfall (talk) 18:49, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Not a problem, Like the dewfall. While you are waiting for review, I very much recommend that you add some wider sourcing to your article. I'm having trouble finding specific mentions of "Silesian School of Iconography" (or its Polish name) online. Is there some other term by which it is referred? At the very least, can you list out some books that specifically discuss the concept of "Silesian School of Iconography"? That will help the reviewer verify that a) such a movement does indeed exist, b) it has been written about by experts. Not at all that I doubt you, just that we must be able to establish WP:Verifiability. MatthewVanitas (talk) 18:53, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

OK, I understand. I will try to find more sources about this school. Thanks! Like the dewfall (talk) 19:09, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

The International Journal of Technology, Knowledge and Society

Hi Matthew, I have a couple questions about the article I recently tried to create on The International Journal of Technology, Knowledge and Society. You mentioned that it needed to be less of an "about us" and provide more outside references. I've added a link to the journal's ISSN in Worldcat, a link to an article that mentions the journal and its editor, and I may be able to link to its place in the Library of Congress's catalog. However, when I look at the entries for other scholarly journals, they don't really go beyond those kinds of links to establish their notability. For example: ] and ]. Would adding those links (and a little infobox like the other entries have) suffice to establish this journal's notability?

Thanks, JBCGP (talk) 18:32, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Reply

Dear Mr. Vantias,

I received your message concerning my article. My book is pubished and I am introducing the subject and the title of my book in Misplaced Pages. I do not earn money for it, and the review of my book is for free in the Amazon, KDP.

To give an introduction of book title and cover page and the name of author is normal in Misplaced Pages. Why are you saying that your team writes only article? If you searched in wikipedia for Gone With the Wind, a full description of the book and author appear. I plan to create a page just like it to introduce my published book.

Sincerely yours, Dr. Manoochehri — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.71.210.106 (talk) 06:58, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I'm pretty new to Misplaced Pages. I need help I do not understand that if you submit new data and if someone removes it with the former content, why are they allowed to have their data there but you cannot? Especially if it has to do with new scientific data on a subject? Isn't it only fair and just that everyone have fair chance to equally present their content equally? What does it hurt if the data is informative and not hurting anyone? Just because it's new and someone doe not like it what gives them the right to have their data there but you cannot have yours there? Can someone please guide me and explain this to me? I'm not trying to cause problems or be malicious or anything like that. But when I tried to post the data back to the subject matter a third time on Gliese 581 g I had a note that it would be removed, and I do not understand why? What did I do wrong? Except to want to place new available data and why is it not allowed as it seems to me? It would seem that persons would first allow all data to be reviewed as it should be in the scientific process and allow both pro and con scientific data to be presented. Not eliminated just because it's new or for some other reason or unknown reason which is not explained.

I need some guidance here. is someone willing to discuss this with me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RS-No-How (talk • contribs) 15:03, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Vanitas,

Thank you for the message. Last month, I prepared sections of my published books and presented in the wikipedia, but they were deleted by someone based on an "assumption" that they seemed to be advertising. That was not true, and all my effort for one week to prepare the files were deleted by an assumption. He/she could at least notify me so that I could keep a copy of the file until a final decision is reached on that point. A deletion should be based on a proven fact not on a fiction.

I am not publishing articles. Please, this issue should be cleared that I am not posting an article, rather, I am posting a published book, and, therefore, no part it can be changed or edited. I am introducing the titles of my published books. There is no selling or any kind of advertising in this. My books are published with Amazon, and can be reviewed for free by all the people in the world.

For the introduction the title of a book, however, it helps readers if there is a synopsis of the book and a bit information about the educational background of the author. This is similar to a title like: The Misers or Gone With The Wind. If such titles are searched in the wikipedia, what information about those works would be presented in the pages of wikipedia: the title of the book, a synopsis of the book, sample pages of the book, information about the author, and links for related subjects or books or articles in that regard.

I have kept a copy of the information in my sandbox for the moment, until a final decision with a wikipedia authority is reached. Then, I will keep the information only in one file.

Finally, I am ready to pay for a specialist, a fair amount, to design the pages of wikipedia for my titles and cover pages of my published books in a way that they become available for the public and they are not deleted.

Sincerely yours, Dr. Manoochehri — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.71.210.106 (talk) 16:05, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Shivam Patil

I am a little concerned with you acceptance of this from AfC as large sections are unsourced. Also the tone is not encyclopaedic (for example "he was renown for" and "who took a deep interest in") and is in general promotional. LGA _talk 23:22, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

I shall make needed changes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.62.47.67 (talk) 17:59, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

I shall make needed changes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.62.47.67 (talk) 18:01, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Jessy Jacob choorapoikayil

I shall make needed changes  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jessy jacobchoorapoikayil (talk • contribs) 18:11, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Vaughans Radio Ltd

Have made changes ready for review... thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaughans (talk • contribs) 10:04, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Swaraveenapani

Matthew ,

I have added the refferences to the page. Could you please review and approve this page? Thanks Sri P 14:03, 3 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sri pusuluri (talk • contribs)

AfC

Hello there! Hope you had a nice Wikibreak :) I just noticed that some of your reviews caused template break-ups. Have you noticed that too? Regards, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 20:11, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello FoCuSandLeArN, is this with the WP:42 highlighted text? If so, I've seen it happen in a few cases and corrected it, but the vast majority of the time had no problem with that coding. Any ideas what's going wrong with it? I'd requested before to have that highlighted phrase turned into just a full template, but nobody has taken me up on that yet. MatthewVanitas (talk) 21:21, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but today I also saw you'd left a comment, but instead there were about 3 or 4 "missing comment" red warnings where there should've been comments. Bugger, I should've kept the link. Yeah, I know what you mean. It's tiresome to copy-paste all that over and over again! Well, if I see it again I'll post something on the AfC talk page. Have a good one! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 22:28, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thank you for your help on my article about Marion Holland! (I added some sources & hope to add more.) ~~Emily Brewton

Emily Brewton (talk) 17:45, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Emily Brewton! Nice work on the article, and you can feel free to go ahead and remove the "ibid" tag from the top of the article, and the "single" tag once you have at least a few footnotes to sources other than the Post. MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:53, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Article was declined at Articles for Creation

whats Wrong with my Post Euphoric Heritage Records

Kindly explain why my Article is rejected please? thanks alotShanghsu (talk) 00:39, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Greetings, as stated inside the pink box at top of your article: This submission's references do not adequately evidence the subject's notability—see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing, so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia.

Simply put: your article tells us statements about the article, but it doesn't demonstrate significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. That is, we need to see any "claims to fame" or even slightly contestable statements (achievements, awards, etc) verified in newspapers, music biz journals, etc. Euphoric's own webpage can only be used for very basic facts like founding date, owner, location. Blogs, Facebook, YouTube (unless official news/statement pieces from reputable authorities) do not count as References. We need to see serious coverage of this record label and its impact in order to approve the article. Does this help? MatthewVanitas (talk) 14:11, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks alot and I have provided some reliable source and news from independent body of the record label — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.89.184.35 (talk) 14:38, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Shanghsu, being from the record label is the exact opposite of independent source. We mean here, not "independent" like "independent film", but we mean "not affiliated professionally or personally with the subject". We must have perspective in the article from professional sources which are not hyping, promoting, advertising, etc. the record label, but are able to neutrally comment on it. I have left some comments on your draft about specifically what does not work with the current sources. Again, has this label been discussed in serious newspapers, music business journals, etc? I strongly suggest you read the basic policy WP:Notability to judge whether this subject meets that requirement at this point. MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:10, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

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Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Croatian hip hop

Dear Matthew: I was reading the above article which you declined, and I can't find anything threatening and and negative about it. (Please note that "sick" these days is being used as a synonym for "awesome".) Did you accidentally select the wrong decline reason? —Anne Delong (talk) 12:37, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello Anne Delong, good catch. I use the keyboard to select my justifications, and unfortunately while hitting "v" twice takes me down to "Verifiability/sourcing", hitting "v" just once or three times gets the code "van" for Vandalism. So I must have hit "v" either too many times or too few. I've fixed the coding and left a note for the originator. Thanks! MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:57, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

I usually move the submissions in to "Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Article name" and use the helper script. They have to be moved anyway, and it's less work doing it from the big yellow box, where the text is already in place. However, I have to admit, selecting with my touch pad doesn't always work either; several times I have selected the wrong item from the list and had to backtrack. Just the other day I accidentally moved a submission to Portal space when my hand slipped. Good luck with your reviewing. —Anne Delong (talk) 23:29, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Request for article review

Hi MatthewVanitas, I have noticed you review Articles for Creation. Would you mind reviewing two articles I have submitted? I would greatly appreciate it if you did. The articles are below:

• Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Casitas del Sur Case
• Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Jorge Erdely Graham

Thanks. Ajax F¡ore_talk 00:23, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Reply to your message to Dr. Manoochehri

To Whom It May Concern/ Misplaced Pages Team:

Thank you for your clarification about the rule and policies of creating a userpage with the Misplaced Pages. There are, however, a few points that should be brought to the attention of the Misplaced Pages Team as a defense for the charges that I am using Misplaced Pages for "self-promotion" or for "Advertising". Although that looks like it, but that is not true, for the following reasons:

1) I am a published author of 12 volumes of pictorial books for which I worked more than 15 years. Pictorial books are usually produced by the sponsorship of a government or a university or financially strong publishing house. For 1 volume of a scholarly produced pictorial book, between 5 to 20 persons should be hired to perform various tasks related to the production of a pictorial book (--before its publication). For the first time, a free-lanced author has started and completed the production of original, pictorial manuscripts as a post-doctoral, academically oriented project, by the investment of the author for all the costs. The resources that I inputted to complete the 12 volumes ( now published with Amazon/ KDP Select), could have well been used to produce between 200 to 500 books in the West by the use of advanced software such as a dicta-phone and an editing software. Just one picture of a castle in the desert of Iran cost about $500 to travel to that spot by a car rental office (-- no bus, train, car or airplane moves to that location; therefore,a car and a driver should be hired from the nearest city and go to that location and return.) This is just 1 example of about 5000 illustrations about the main features of the traditional architecture in Iran for my books. During the years that I worked on my books, I have not been paid a penny by any person, while a janitor is a Western country earns about $1000 a month and about $12,000 a year and about $120,000 for 10 years. The salary for the holder of a Ph.D. is about $5000 a month, and about $60,000 a year. For more than 20 years working on the production and completion of 20 volumes of architectural books ( 12 volumes of which are now published by Amazon and can be reviewed for free by all people of the world), I must have been paid by a sponsor about $1,200,000 just for time. So far, I have not earned even a penny for my works and my works can be used by all people for free. Introducing my books in Misplaced Pages, is similar to introduce an author and his work in Misplaced Pages, i.e., Gone With the Wind, by Margaret Mitchell; The Invasion of Body Snatchers by Jack Finny. This, I do not think violates the Misplaced Pages policy. There is no conceivable financial benefit from the introduction of my books in Misplaced Pages. Misplaced Pages has allocated space to even introduce famous pornstars. Does that mean that people that see the picture of a pornstar in a wikipedia page will refer to that pornstar and will offer her money to buy love from her? It is impossible that I sell my book via Misplaced Pages.

2) I have a personal weblog (www.dr-manoochehri-Phd.co.uk) for two years in which my manuscripts and my resume and a copy of my doctoral degree are presented.

3) 12 volumes of my books are already published by Amazon/ KDP Select.

4) Misplaced Pages invites all people of the world to create an account. It is written in the top (right) section of the page. When an account is created, the person that creates such account should introduce him/herself. I have created an account, in the userpage of which I have introduced myself and the title of books. It is obvious that people want to know a bit about an author and his/her educational background. I some countries, and I do not mention where, some books are written and published by some interest group that those books are %100 written chatting. They are written by literate people, sometimes with a B.A. degree, to advertise about a topic for their interest. If searched, I am sure that some of this genre of books are also introduced in the Misplaced Pages. It is very unusual that all the Misplaced Pages Team become very obsessd to delete my account so that no name of my books appear in the wikipedia.

5) I created the second account so that the articles in the deleted account be transferred to it and be saved.

I hope the above points be read by the team in Misplaced Pages. If you decide to delete the account, that is fine. I cannot have objection to it. But please make all the review of a person intending to create an account prior to the creation not after the creation. Misplaced Pages creates accounts for users very freely and easily, but then the team in the Misplaced Pages exercise the career of deleting accounts and articles.

Sincerely yours, Dr. Hossein Manoochehri — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.103.27.82 (talk) 12:13, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Change of Title

Change of Title

This help request has been answered. If you need more help, you can ask another question on your talk page, contact the responding user(s) directly on their user talk page, or consider visiting the Teahouse.

The title of my content Tarlok Singh (Soldier) seems inappropriate. How can I change it to Tarlok Singh, Vir Chakra? Thanks! Beewikis (talk) 11:15, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

@Beewikis: You already moved the page. However, I've moved it back to it's original title, as the standard for titles is First Last (occupation). Misplaced Pages does not include honoraries in titles (such as the Vir Chakra award). ~Charmlet 13:26, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

JOHN GRUBER AND THE HAGERSTOWN TOWN AND COUNTRY ALMANACK

Hello Matthew,

Thanks so much for your quick response and your candid comments. They were well-appreciated.

The Gruber Almanack, LLC., publisher of the historically-significant Hagerstown Town and Country Almanack (www.almanack.com), is the 39th oldest company in the United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_oldest_companies_in_the_United_States), the 2nd oldest almanac in the U.S second only to Old Farmer's), and ONLY almanac in the U.S. that is still published by heirs of its founder, John Gruber. It has been continuously published since 1797 (218 years). As partner and editor, I am responsible for all content included in its hardcopy editions as well as most of the content on its website. I am therefore the author of The Almanack's history (with the help of the sources I acknowledged at the end of my submission). We are the ones who hold the rights to this content and I believe and if we want to allow Misplaced Pages permission to post our copy-written material, it should be okay with our permission (unless I clearly do not understanding copyright law at all). We would like to figure this out ASAP to avoid a complete rewrite of our content and to also determine how to best present the content back to you for review and acceptance. That poses several other significant challenges.

A review the entry for Old Farmer's (https://en.wikipedia.org/Old_Farmer's_Almanac), Misplaced Pages's standard format is quite detailed and content is presented in a most rigorous academic fashion (like a thesis, extensively footnoted with links to sources, references, etc.). When clicking 'Edit source', I see what it took to get it to look that way (a high degree of coding). These academic standards, along with the format coding required to do it correctly far exceeds my abilities. As a former IBM executive, my 28-year I/T experience was unfortunately, in marketing /sales, not in programming or coding. Does Misplaced Pages offer support to help us resolve these issues so that an entry can be created and acceptable (i.e. is there a template for biographies that could be used to make inputting content easier and comply with Misplaced Pages's standards)?

We are eager to have the story of John Gruber and his famous almanac, The Hagerstown Town and Country Almanack on Misplaced Pages and with your advice and counsel, we will.

Charles W. Fisher, Jr. Editor Hagerstown Town and Country Almanack The Gruber Almanack, LLC.

Hello Charles , thanks for touching base. The article for the Old Farmer's Almanac is, as you note quite developed, due probably to both the length of time the article has slowly evolved, and the numbers of people interested in helping to make incremental improvements. We don't at all expect that anyone, particularly someone new to editing, is going to produce something so extensive on the first try, so I would suggest that your short-term goal be publishing a very basic but very properly formatted/sourced biography. So far as templates, the easiest suggestion would be to simply find a biography that you like, and copy it wholesale, and then swap in Gruber's details into the "shell" of the coding around it. Does that make sense?

Regarding using the writeup the Almanack itself has written, there are a few issues with that. Firstly, Misplaced Pages's licensing requires that materials on Misplaced Pages be freely licensed under WP:Creative Commons. So if you were to give formal permission to Misplaced Pages to word-for-word post your "About Us" writeup, that material would effectively become Public Domain. There is no option to do a "I grant permission but only for use on Misplaced Pages itself", because the goal of Misplaced Pages is to be as free as possible. So granting permission (the process is called WP:OTRS) is a pretty big step, basically full releasing your work for anyone who wants to use it.

Separate from copyright issues, the concern is that a writeup by the Almanack itself would have great difficult expressing WP:Neutrality. And a further issue is that while it is completely acceptable for the Almanack to dig up archival materials, old letters, etc. (such being a basic part of research), Misplaced Pages as a WP:Tertiary source cannot use materials that come directly from original sources. That is not at all to discredit archival research, but it is because we must see information in a independent, peer-reviewed, published source before we process it. Such is the nature of an encyclopedia: not cutting-edge new info, but an attempt to holistically present academic/journalist consensus.

So combining these points, rather than write "things I know personally" or present the Almanack's take on your stack of archival materials, the most appropriate way to kick off having a Gruber article would be to start simple, and start with information that can be explicitly cited to WP:Secondary sources (history books, etc.). If there are points where you really need to cite Almanack materials for non-contentious issues, things like birth location is fine, claims for his achievements not so much because we want independent confirmation. But your main sources should be established independent views of Gruber. For example, here are a few books which are viewable on GoogleBooks which discuss Gruber and his impact from an independent, objective perspective:

• History of Western Maryland By J. Thomas Scharf
• Maryland, a Guide to the Old Line State, By Best Books on, Federal Writers' Project
• The Antietam and Its Bridges: The Annals of an Historic Stream By Helen Ashe Hays

I understand it may feel a bit odd to seek outside authorities to verify things you personally already know, but you can understand that it makes the article much stronger if it is clear that it's not "Almanack says this, take our word for it" and more a clear demonstration of "here is Gruber as seen by a variety of historians, journalists, and social commentators over the last century or more". Again, the vital part of sourcing is independence, peer-review (i.e. an author and publisher with credibility to lose if they fail to describe Gruber correctly), and objectivity.

Easiest way to go, start small, aim to make a Gruber bio of just a few paragraphs, using the coding from an existing article that looks like a good format to you. And ensure that the information you provide is clearly footnoted; there is a Template - Citation button at the top of your editing window which will automatically make proper footnotes for you, and easier still if you're citing a book on GoogleBooks you can use http://reftag.appspot.com to make full footnotes with just a copy-paste and push of a button.

Start small, get a basic fundamental overview of Gruber published, and that will increase the odds that interested parties will drop in and help expand it, and will also be more relaxed and pleasant than trying to grind away getting a whole big article through the Review process. If you get a basic short bio of Gruber ready, let me know and I can just drop in and review it for you, and later can help you with adding photos, etc (which is vaguely annoying the first time you have to learn it, easy thereafter).

Hope this helps, MatthewVanitas (talk) 16:00, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Mercersburg, Pennsylvania Charles W. Fisher Jr (talk) 15:11, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Red Dirt Skinners

Hi Matthew, I've resubmitted the page that was rejected with a couple of references now. Hope this helps. Please let me know if there's anything else I can do. Thank you

Reddirtmusic (talk) 15:36, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Re: Santhal people ‎

Yes, i will keep your suggestion in mind when editing further pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bapi Murmu (talk • contribs) 16:46, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

George Halley article

Hi. I got your message and thank you for your assistance.

--Eric Albert 21:09, 11 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Semmes868 (talk • contribs)

Hey.

Its an absolute shame why you rejected the Joakim hjelle page. He is a legend in Bergen. And let us have this page for god's sake. Stop being such a nazi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aleklie (talk • contribs) 08:21, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Okay, first of all, don't call other Misplaced Pages editors "Nazis"--we don't allow personal attacks. Second of all, not only was MatthewVanitas correct to decline that article as having no evidence that the person is notable, I don't think he went far enough--I've actually deleted the article per WP:CSD#G10, because it contained numerous unsourced negative claims about a living person. You call him a legend here, but you had several different allegations and insults in the article. Now, if you are actually interested in writing a neutral article, you'll need to provide reliable sources that discuss the footballer in detail. Note that unless he has received substantial coverage, it is unlikely that he can have an article unless he has played for either a national team or as a member of a fully professional league (that means that all players on all teams have no "day jobs"). If you want to do that, you can submit a new article, but you'll need to leave out all of the negative unsourced info. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:55, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Wiki Article Creation - Dusty White

Hi Matthew,

I appreciate your taking the time to review the article submission on Dusty White and doing it so quickly.

I am interested in hearing your feedback on why the article was rejected and recommendations on how to improve it so it will not be rejected next time.

Many thanks, ClareLight (talk) 18:39, 13 September 2013 (UTC)Clare

colin maier

this page submission was rejected. However, I am confused. "colin maier" was successfully submitted on the page "list of oboists" with the reference http://www.fanfaremag.com/content/view/51573/ which was resubmitted here as well in addition to many other references listed. Please explain how this is not eligible, yet "Colin Maier" on the list of notable oboists is eligible. thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.89.18.201 (talk) 01:36, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

I declined the article because a biography, especially of a living person, need way more than one or two references. Getting onto a list is easier, but a bio has a minimum bar to reach. I strongly advise you read our policy Misplaced Pages:Notability (music) which clearly explains the type of sourcing needed. Hope this helps, MatthewVanitas (talk) 01:39, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

thanks, it helps a bit. I based this on another page which from what I can see has less references than what I submitted http://en.wikipedia.org/April_Verch on here, there is one reference that does not work and her website which is external. she is also currently living. In my article i referenced -quartetto gelato (also a wiki page) -2010 olympics (also a page) -concert review, cd review

can you please tell me what in my article i could find references for that would help? I have just looked at my submission again. I have cited 9 sources. That is much more than the 1 or 2 you suggested. Did i enter them incorrectly or something? Thanks again for your help.174.89.18.201 (talk) 02:20, 14 September 2013 (UTC) thanks174.89.18.201 (talk) 01:53, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

You're not quite grasping what we mean by referencing: the page WP:Referencing might be helpful there. For starters, other Misplaced Pages articles are absolutely not references, you can't cite a book to itself, nor an encyclopedia to itself, that would be circular reasoning. Further, the articles you provided as references don't even mention Maier, so they wouldn't be references even if they were not on Misplaced Pages itself.

What we mean by "references" is that for any given statement in the article there should be a "says who?" answer. For example, when you say "He studied oboe with David Sussman at the University of Calgary", you should have a footnote for that sentence which tells the reader "Hey, read this article from the 25 March 2012 Calgary Times, and it notes that Maier studied under Sussman". For any given sentence in the article, you should give the reader somewhere to find verification. If we didn't have that requirement, people could just make up information, and we and the other readers would have no way of checking it.

Yes, there are some biographies that are poorly sourced, and generally speaking we upgrade or delete those as we come across them. But since you specifically requested assistance with your article, I'm letting you know what the requirements are and how to reach them. Again, I strongly advise you read our policy WP:Notability; essentially for any given person/issue, you must demonstrate that other people have found this topic worth writing about. The link to Fanfare Mag is just the kind of sourcing we want to have, but we need a lot more than one source (the WholeNote link just goes to some page-squatting site). Does this help explain what I mean? MatthewVanitas (talk) 03:32, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

This explains it better, yes, And obviously i do not "grasp" it... That is why I am asking questions. This is my first time doing a wiki article, and reading the link you sent me was actually kind of confusing. I'm "over the hill" and I guess I just don't lean things that fast anymore when it comes to technology. I did ask for help, yes, and thank you for that. I am not trying to be difficult, just trying to understand the wiki-system by asking questions to a human. It is frustrating to read other pages that are up that are poorly sourced. As for the sources I sent that don't mention Maier, perhaps you didn't read the full article I sent, as the name "Maier" definitely there or else I wouldn't have posted it. I have no control as to where in the link the name occurs and how much info precedes or follows appears. In these large articles, should make a note as to where in the link the name is mentioned? I will take your suggestions and re-submit it. no wiki references and i will cite all things i write. thank you174.89.18.201 (talk) 04:25, 14 September 2013 (UTC)174.89.18.201 (talk) 04:26, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

No worries, didn't mean to be prickly, it's just that we get a number of people requesting review, and then when someone actually tells them what they have to do to make a good article, they just insist we publish it as-is, which defeats the point of a review.

In whatever case, if you see another article that is poorly sourced, feel free to mark it as such, and it may be considered for deletion if the sourcing cannot be improved.

Getting used to the wiki formatting is a bit vexing at first, but gets pretty easy after the first few articles. I've fixed most of the formatting on your page for you just as an example and to save you hassle (including turning all your related articles into WP:wikilinks within the text itself). So at this point we just need more citations from WP:Reliable sources like music magazines/journals, newspapers, etc that attest to Maier's career and its impact. MatthewVanitas (talk) 13:17, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Regarding The Horstmann Technique article

Regarding this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/The_Horstmann_Technique and your comment. Thanks MatthewVanitas for your input. There are some references in news articles. However some of these are from papers no longer printing/being active. So I am not sure it is possible to link to them. 1. Would it be possible to upload a scanned article/page to "WikiMedia" or similar) and refer to that instance? 2. Also, if a reference is from an article written in a different language, can that still be used? Thanks Matopotato (talk) 15:41, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello Matopotato , references need not be available online, though if the article makes particularly controversial claims ("So-and-so was personally recognised by the Pope and the King of Norway for his invention") other editors might want to question and dig into the issue. So if you do use non-online sources, use very clear citations specifying what paper, article title, date, etc. And for language, references may be in any language at all. MatthewVanitas (talk) 21:17, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Clarification on why our page was not accepted

The IFSG Board of Directors (http://ifsguild.org/FengShui/about/board-of-directors/) would like more information about why our page was not accepted. They refer you to the International Feng Shui Association page (https://en.wikipedia.org/International_Feng_Shui_Association) which was approved with far fewer references and external sources. Given the sources we have, we would like to be reconsidered. Thank you. IFSGuild (talk) 15:09, 15 September 2013 (UTC)Bridget Saraka, IFSG CEO (http://www.ifsguild.org/listing/1149)

I have proposed the deletion of the IFSA page. I've also left IFSGuild a message about their username. ~Charmlet 15:59, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

La Settimana Bianca article

Hi Matthew,

Regarding the 'settimana bianca' artcle that I tried to submit - this was rejected due to the below:

We need this to be more than a dictionary definition; we need to get some idea of when, how, where the term arose, how the term is used in media/academica/government, and some actual sourcing that not just uses the term, but discusses the term and its impact

However, there is already an Italian article (http://it.wikipedia.org/Settimana_bianca) which only includes the below info:

The white week is the common term used to describe a holiday in the mountains (usually lasting one week) and it is enjoyed during the cold months with the aim to relax and perform winter sports. Usually the common sports are Alpine Skiing, Nordic Skiing, Snowboard, Ice skating and sledding: also common are Ice climbing and walks with snow shoes. In Europe the most famous Skiing resorts are located in the Alps.

If we merely linked up the article that I've written with the above, would that be ok?

Thanks

Emma — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.6.249.226 (talk) 09:09, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

MontagueAlatriste/François Dancie

Hi, I recently had an article rejected because of 'unreliable sources'. I would like to challenge that The page is ]. Two are transcriptions of the original sources and cite full library details. The third is a translation of one of the transcriptions — Preceding unsigned comment added by MontagueAlatriste (talk • contribs) 08:56, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Regarding Francois Dancie, he does not appear in secondary sources and there is no image of him — Preceding unsigned comment added by MontagueAlatriste (talk • contribs) 11:07, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the info on the image issue. Re the "unreliable" - that's the general category of needed fixes, but please note the specific comments I placed below: the issue is all your sources appear to be WP:Primary sources, that is, books by Dancie. What we must see are books/articles that talk about Dancie. Some John Smith could write a thousand books about gardening and never be famous; to prove his fame we want to see Gardening Today do a feature article on How Smith Revolutionised Gardening or the "Acme History of Gardening" book have a chapter that describes him among gardening pioneers. Does that make sense? If Dancie is famous for influencing fencing, surely somebody over the last few centuries has commented "here's how importance Dancie is to fencing". You must prove WP:Notability to have an article about someone. MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:56, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

I took a look at GoogleBooks: I'm finding several mentions of him just there (and there are probably tons of specialised fencing books/journals not up on gBooks). As a minor example, a 1936 book mentions that "The rarest extant book of fence is L'Espee de Combat, par Francois Dancie (Tulle, 1623, 8vo), of" which Mr. Corbie possesses the unique copy." Even that right there is a step in the right direction. Are we not understanding each other by what is meant by WP:Secondary sources? MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:01, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Have been rejected for the second time

Please guide me — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zbpeter (talk • contribs) 12:34, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello Zbpeter! Have you read the policy Misplaced Pages:Notability (music)? I strongly recommend you read that policy: you must meet the standards of evidence laid out in that article in order to get a draft approved. MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:47, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Also, if you can't get a draft approved, just creating the article directly is not a good solution. If it's not good enough as a draft, it's not going to fly as an article. MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:48, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Minor dust-up over page ratings at AFC

You should be aware that there's been a bit of a dust-up at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places#Can a 3 sentence article be a start?? and several other talk pages over the "start-class" ratings that you've assigned to a few articles when you reviewed them at AFC. Since most of the contentions articles are about topics of interest to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places, that project's new quality rating scale might be useful: Misplaced Pages:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Assessment#Quality scale. --Orlady (talk) 21:26, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

I was just visiting to call attention to this also, but with regards to Talk:Eads School Gymnasium#WHY was this rated a START???. For your information, editor Orlady has been long involved with controversy with me, played out fairly recently in a big Arbcom case. And I have accused her at wt:NRHP, properly in my opinion, of egging on other editors to construct contention, which is my personal experience of what she does, from 5 years of interactions. I personally suggest that you should just continue to impose your personal judgment, for AFC, of what is an appropriate rating for a given article. Orlady and others are seeking recently to define a higher-than-general standard for Start for wikiproject NRHP. That is their business, or wikiproject NRHP's, and while it may be weird/inappropriate for wikiproject NRHP's general real goals, it does not say anything about what is appropriate for an AFC rating. I appreciate that you apply AFC rating with integrity as I believe you have always done. --doncram 22:47, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Doncram, going around Misplaced Pages offering unsolicited baseless personal accusations about me (you may recall that at Arbcom you were invited to supply diffs as evidence for your accusations, but you failed to do so) looks remarkably like a personal attack. Please desist. --Orlady (talk) 00:02, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

If you're going to be assessing stuff for AFC, use real assessments. A three sentence article is always going to be a stub, that's just common sense. Bad assessments just make it harder for everyone else. Wizardman 01:27, 17 September 2013 (UTC)