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Pluto2012: It is not your first unjustified deletion, based on supposed POV. Please restore the deleted sentence, or I will have to complain about your conduct.

you deleted my contribution:"On August 1947, Fawzi al-Qawuqji threatened that, should the (U.N. partition) vote go the wrong way, “we will have to initiate total war. We will murder, wreck and ruin everything standing in our way, be it English, American or Jewish"."

your reason: "behaviour issue : wp:point ; content issue : wp:undue - Qawuqji said many things and there is no reason to focus on that one."

You have just being told:"if there is relevant and reliably sourced content, it may be entered into the article. If others claim it is WP:UNDUE because there are other points of view, then they will need to (and it should be very easy for them to) present reliable sources showing these other points of view. The article then incorporates these other sources and then all of the major points of view are then be presented. Claims that one reliable source's view is not representative without providing sources to show the existence of other views do not stand up".

It is not your first unjustified deletion, based on supposed POV. Please restore the deleted sentence, or I will have to complain about your conduct. Ykantor (talk) 17:39, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

WP:Undue has nothing to deal with the fact there would be WP:RS source that say the contrary.

WP:Undue means the information is unrelevant for an article or doesn't bring any interesting information.

I was not told anything. This is one of the nuemrous "advices" you built in your "forum-shopping". Pluto2012 (talk) 18:25, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

I have to agree with Ykantor on the content issue: the quote in itself seems notable and it is reliably sourced. If there are other notable quotes by Qawuqji that your sources point to, please feel free to put them in the article.

You should additionally stop accusing others of WP:POINT if there is no evidence for this.

—Ynhockey 08:39, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

~~To what accusation of WP:POINT do you refer to exactly ?~~Ykantor made a WP:POINT here in adding that quote because he wants to prove that "the Arabs" would have initiated the '48 war when material was provided to his attention that this is a very controversial issue.

In the current case, the citation is given out of any context and is selected among many others. Why giving weight to this one ? Did some historians focus on that ? If so, why ? Currently, this quote belongs to wikiquotes.

Pluto2012 (talk) 18:41, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't see the connection between the two things you said at all. Please don't accuse other people of breaking policy if you don't have the evidence to back it up. As you may recall, not so long ago you got especially angry when I accused you of braking policy when I did have evidence. If you have a history of bad interactions with Ykantor, please solve this problem in another forum. Please also apologize for your recent edit summary about "POV pushing".

Regarding the content issue: I don't personally have a list of Qawuqji quotes, and the source provided in the article lists just one. If you have many notable quotes by Qawuqji, please feel free to add them to the article or provide them here. It is no reason to remove the previous quote.

—Ynhockey 20:06, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

In: "Morris; 1948", al-Qawuqji is mentioned on pages 61, 68-69, 89, 92, 133-138, 157, 278, 280-283, 338-342, 348. Of all those pages, "someone" has seen fit to quote (in extenso) p. 61, and only p. 61. Why? Because that is where you can find the most "belligerent" quote from Qawuqji. (..btw, the footnote is cited to an anon official from the "Jewish Agency": not necessarily an objective observer.) And even Morris´ own explanation on the background for the quote has been omitted.

(Also, the quote, from 1947, is now mention under ALA, which was formed in 1948, independently of Qawuqji. Alas, the article now gives a false impression that there is a direct link between the two: Qawuqji belligerent words, and the formation of ALA. This is simply false. ALA would have been formed, even if Qawuqji had never been born.)

There is one word for this, and that is "cherry-picking". (Or WP:UNDUE, do be more wikipedia formalistic). I would say how al-Qawuqji performed in the war would be far, far more relevant to his biography, than the above quote. But that is only partly mentioned in the article at present, and not sourced at all! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:19, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Cite error: The named reference morris2008p61 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

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