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Cill Mhaighneann

Hi Jet ..... thank you again for assisting me in putting up the article on Saint Maighneann ..... while tje painting of saint Maighneann which you removed from the article was problematic ...... the image of Cill Mhaighneann recently removed from the Kilmainham article is perfectly illustative of the area and the Church of Saint Maighneann and is imformative and relative to the article Saint Maighneann https://en.wikipedia.org/Saint_Maighneann and no other image of it exists. I would be most grateful if could add the Cill Mhaighneann image to the Saint Maighneann article........ Many Thanks Michael Msriposte (talk) 16:30, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi! Jet ... Iwas wondering if you have a chance to read my message above.............atb .michael ........176.61.105.51 (talk) 00:06, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

@Msriposte: Hi Michael. I'm not going to independently add the image to the article considering multiple editors have objected to its inclusion. I also have some reservations about its inclusion as well. My primary concern is on accuracy and a lack of information about the area. You argue that the image (File:Cill_Mhaighneann_700_AD.jpg) is "perfectly illustrative". While I note two rivers in your image just as sources describe where the church was built, there is otherwise very little discussion of what the area looked like in 700 AD either in the article or in sources after I've taken a brief review of them. How are we to verify that this is accurate? If there are sources that can support how you've visually represented Cill Mhaigheann, I'd be more willing to support its inclusion. I, JethroBT 03:41, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

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Want to upload Constitution Party of West Virginia logo

Hello Jethro, I am working on building the Constitution Party of West Virginia page and would like to add our state party logo and other images. They are just little jpg files. Where am I supposed to upload them to?

- Jeff Becker (Lexington62) Secretary, CPWVa

Lexington62 (talk) 16:46, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Lexington! Before I answer your question, I do want to alert you to Misplaced Pages's guidelines on conflict of interest editing. The important thing is that, as someone in a leadership position in your organization, it's important to understand that Misplaced Pages is not a platform for promotion, and the community is generally uncomfortable with editors creating and making substantial changes to articles to which they have an invested interest in (not necessarily just commercial or financial). That said, The article you've written looks somewhat neutral and sourced, though I've attempted to touch up a few things. I'd advise to be careful about future edits you make to the article, and be sure to provide reliable soruces to back-up information you add in about the Constitution Party of West Virginia.
Bearing that in mind, adding in a logo is not usually considered problematic. You'll need to go to WP:UPLOAD and you'll probably want to upload the image as a logo for specific use on that article, unless you want to allow it to be used more liberally on Misplaced Pages, in which case you can release it under a free license. I, JethroBT 17:10, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
It is my understanding that Misplaced Pages is an online encyclopedia which strives to be as accurate and in-depth as possible. As someone who has been involved with this political party almost since its inception (over nine years so far), a past candidate, and currently serving as party secretary (2nd term), who else would be better to CREATE this Wiki entry than myself? If someone else more neutral wants to maintain it afterword, that is fine, but I have access to ALL of the original SOURCE documents. Everything that I have added has been factual and fully referenced where possible. As far as your edits to our party founding history terminology, please rest assured that I have the complete state party minutes documents and as soon as I can get them scanned and transferred to our own website, i will be linking them to the Wiki page to verify all of the referenced dates.
However, if you find any additional information, material, and/or references on your own, by all means feel free to add them.
Sometime early this week, I plan to write the Ballot Access text for that empty section. Again, I have files of official party documents both to and from the Secretary of State to back up those planned entries and plan to have them linked as references.
Also of note is that none of the other political parties in West Virginia have any references AT ALL and are all still Stub class entries, even the Republicans and Democrats.
In the mean time, I still can't see where I am to upload image files. Also, how are image files positioned on the page to have text wrap around them and how are captions added? That is all the help I need on this write now and appreciate any answers SPECIFIC to just that question. Thanks, - Jeff B.

Lexington62 (talk) 18:49, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Does WP:UPLOAD not work for you? You can always Request an upload if your account is not yet authorized to do so (you usually need to wait a couple of days after you make your account to upload images). I, JethroBT 16:48, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

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Ukiyo-e

You must have added that image after I copied the article into my sandbox. Do you see an appropriate place to stick it in? Curly Turkey (gobble) 03:30, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll figure out a place sometime tonight or tomorrow. Thanks, I, JethroBT 03:32, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Is there some reason its inclusion in the artis's article isn't enough for it to be featured? I know nothing of the Featured Picture process. Curly Turkey (gobble) 03:41, 15 November 2013 (UTC) I guess I'm only saying that because it seems like a random choice to place in the article—there are so many "masters" who aren't even mentioned, let alone have an image in the article. Curly Turkey (gobble) 03:43, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

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Need Your Assistance To Handle Vandals

Hello Jethro,

Thanks for dropping a line on my talk page, let me share something with you.

I'd like to know how to protect the contents of the page which is keep modified by anti-social elements, it's clearly noticeable that all the edits which they make, appear to constitute vandalism to a reputed person of our society.

Let me tell you in brief, I've been contributing and writing a matter for a page and for some reasons I couldn't spare time to contribute in last few months and few anti-social activists, spammers etc... whose purpose is just to write irrelevants matters, they deleted all the matter which I wrote and started writing issues which has no concern with that person, is it acceptable?

Yesterday, I spent couple of hours to read the whole matter which was written by them and went through all the references which were posted on that page and found all of them were irrelevant and straight forwardly shows someone wants to defame the person who belongs to that page. I found all the edits were unconstructive to Misplaced Pages, I reverted them to original page content and today again I found someone changed the whole page matter.

Now in this scenario what should I do, does that mean if I contribute my time, energy, efforts in good way and add value to Misplaced Pages and then someone or few spammers or people who are against of that person would create few accounts on wikipedia and delete all the matter of a page and write whatever they want to write. Let me also tell you as far as references are concerned someone can write a fake blog post and link to it as a reference to defame a famous person, in this case what's the solution? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Devoutly (talk • contribs) 05:43, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

I'll need some time to look into this, but it seems there is some contention over the nature of the changes to the article based on talk page discussion. Keep in mind that many editors here are not out to deliberately cause trouble, and that we are here to work collaboratively. I, JethroBT 16:59, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Pritzker's Name Change

The name change becomes official today. The new name is Pritzker Military Museum & Library. Can you help me fix where appropriate? TeriEmbrey (talk) 16:45, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Hey Teri. Congratulations! I can do a little right now, and will continue this evening. Thanks, I, JethroBT 17:00, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
@TeriEmbrey: I noticed the website has not changed yet, nor is there any visible announcement online of the name change. When will something be available to demonstrate the name change? I, JethroBT 17:14, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Interview on your WLL event?

Hey IJethroBT, I was just looking over the post-event rundown for Meetup/Chicago 8. Great work getting it together, and looks like there was some good content added as a result. I'd like to do a retrospective on this fall's WLL events for the upcoming issue of Books and Bytes. Do you have any time in the next week/two weeks to do a short interview about your experiences? Can do it by email or video chat, your preference. Best, The Interior (Talk) 16:14, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

@The Interior: Thanks for the invitation! I have some time this week, even this evening, if you are available. Wednesday is not good for me this week, but I have time on Friday and the weekend as well. I, JethroBT 17:35, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Also, I'd be happy doing a video chat in a Google Hangout or something similar (Skype has historically not been cooperative on my computer). I, JethroBT 17:39, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Great! Friday is a good day for me. Do you mind sending an email to theinterior80gmail.com, and I will put together a hangout invite? I'm on Pacific time, I assume you are Central. Let me know what is a good time for you, looking forward to digitally meeting you, The Interior (Talk) 17:51, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

About the Marie Curie RfC closing

Hi, I was one of the editor involved in the Marie Curie RfC you closed ~ 3 weeks ago. As real-life events kept me away from wikipedia lately, I am a bit late to react, sorry. Still I would have liked to discuss the rationale for choosing "option 6" as the consensus version. From the discussion, it does not seem to me there was a consensus for this version. The editors supporting option 6 were mostly the one originally supporting the "pure-Polish" option 4 and for four of them had actually posted their choices before the RfC was published. I do not think a RfC conclusion is supposed to be based on number of votes anyway, but in any case "option 6" was only supported by half of the vote participants. I personally still think the new phrasing do not address the issues of the previous phrasing (inconsistent with WP:OPENPARA, inconsistent with most other biographies, does not reflect the fact that beyond being naturalized she actually spent all of her life/career as a physicist in France as a Frenchwoman). I also do not see that "Polish-born French" is more ambiguous than "Polish naturalized French". Although it is true I could not participate in the discussion in the past few weeks, and although I trust you tried to assess the consensus in a honest way, I feel that the opinion of several of the participants is not taken into account in the chosen phrasing. This was my first active participation in a RfC, so I am not very sure of what would be the correct way for me to contest this new phrasing. Would you mind giving me your opinion on this? Thank you very much. Tokidokix (talk) 12:33, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Tokidokix. I'm sorry you were not able to contact me sooner, but know that I'm open to discussing any of my closes, new or old. I did read through the discussion prior to the formal RfC, which as you know, showed there was considerable disagreement on how best to describe Curie's background in the lead in reference to her nationality and heritage. Let me respond to your concerns:
First, I don't understand what you are suggesting about editors who changed their opinions or who had those opinions earlier. Second, many editors clearly thought that some inclusion of both her Polish and French background were relevant, in spite of WP:OPENPARA recommendations, and it seems that Curie's life and activity in Poland has had some nontrivial level of coverage based on the discussion prior to the RfC. MOS guidelines have occasional exceptions, and I see this as one of them based on the discussion. And you are correct-- I did not count votes because this was not designed to be a survey. I looked at arguments. There were objections in this RfC and in the prior discussion to "Polish-French" (on the basis that it could suggest mixed descent, which was not rebutted). Your arguments for "Polish-born French" (i.e. ...as I have argued it is the most consistent with most of Misplaced Pages biographies, and is also the version blessed by Encyclopedia Britannica was not particularly compelling (i.e. we do not need to follow EB's example just because it exists nor do we need to follow convention when other reasonable options are proposed.) The other argument for Polish-born French, "Although her Polish origins were important, the French should be emphasized more per WP:OPENPARA", was not compelling given that option six does not conflict with this sentiment. Conversely, the arguments for option six were stronger. It is unambiguous and it is neutral with regard to disputes on national identity, and furthermore, no editor made any direct objections to option six. JonRichfield's argument I think is particularly strong, was not refuted, and clearly many editors agreed with him. On a side note, the rest of that opening paragraph captures her work and legacy in France: She was also the first female professor at the University of Paris, and in 1995 became the first woman to be entombed on her own merits in the Panthéon in Paris.
That said, I still believe my close reflects consensus on the matter in terms of the stronger arguments, and so at this point, I am unlikely to reconsider. Closes by anyone can be examined more closely by an uninvolved administrator by making a request at WP:AN for such a review. I, JethroBT 17:07, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice

JethroBT,

Thanks for the advice on creating/updating the Solidoodle Page. I will pay close attention to the Conflict of Interest guidelines and will do my best to suggest page updates via the Talk Page. Thanks for the advice.

Cheers,

Sam — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cervantes.samuel (talk • contribs) 20:45, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Davis Theater

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Hi I JethroBT. I noticed your comment at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure/Archive 8#Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Television#Replacing title cards and logos with promo advertisements?:

There really isn't any support for the proposal; I think formal closes make sense when there is some ongoing disagreement that a close would help resolve, but that doesn't appear to be the case here.

I generally list such discussions for closure for several reasons.

A close could help serve as a baseline for future discussions by explicitly recording the current consensus.

I have observed some topics being repeatedly raised. An uninvolved editor's close would firmly establish that the consensus is for or against a proposal, more so than a lengthy unclosed discussion.

I view RfCs like XfDs, which are always closed. An editor considered the subject important enough to start a formal discussion, so the discussion deserves a formal close to give its result finality.

Just sharing my thoughts about why I include these discussions in my closure requests. I've implemented the consensus at one of your closes since no one else had restored the image. Thank you again for your closes! Cunard (talk) 11:54, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

I have observed some topics being repeatedly raised. An uninvolved editor's close would firmly establish that the consensus is for or against a proposal, more so than a lengthy unclosed discussion. Sure, I have observed this as well. When there is evidence that repeated, similar proposals are not reaching consensus, I think a formal close would be helpful there to "put the nail in the coffin" as it were (at least, until consensus changes-- also, if we continue with this metaphor, "raising the proposal back from the dead" makes me laugh). I suppose the basis for my statement is at the top of WP:ANRFC: Please note that most discussions do not need formal closure. In the case of the title cards, I just didn't see evidence that this was a persistent proposal, and I also believe that involved editors were more than capable of reading that consensus and act accordingly on their own. It's true that there is no real harm and that there can be benefits from doing a formal close that reflects consensus. Still, I think there are cases when editors do not need an uninvolved editor to read into consensus, and I thought this might be one of the few. That said, thanks for giving me opportunities to practice reading into consensus, and for implementing my closes.  : ) I, JethroBT 19:56, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Christopher Morris (news presenter)

Hi I JethroBT - Just a quick update to say I have added considerably more references - now numbering 70 altogether - to the Article awaiting review. As you said, it is difficult to track down news stories to list from the BBC archive that can be accessed only on their database in London that at present isn't on the internet. The hundreds of film and video stories that I covered around the world between 1972 and 1989 are listed on the BBC News card index that I understand is still being digitised. And I do, as mentioned previously, have VHS/DVD copies of all the television broadcasts listed in the Article. During the past few days since you sent your message I have unearthed more references - from TV, books and newspapers - to harden up the Article and hope that will help to finally achieve publication. Thank you Sirromhc (talk) 16:31, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

@Sirromhc: Thanks for the additional sources. I've cleaned up the article a bit and have accepted it for publication on the article space. You can find it at Christopher Morris (news presenter). Thanks for all your hard work! I, JethroBT 19:34, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi I JethroBT - Many thanks for cleaning up the Article and for your invaluable advice and guidance in finally getting it published. One question that, hopefully, you can resolve : Christopher Morris (news presenter) now appears in the various listed Categories but in the wrong alphabetical order. The name is currently appearing under the christian name "C" instead of the letter "M" of the surname in all the Categories listed at the bottom of the Article. Can this please be rectified? I will, of course, continue to fine tune the Article as suggested. Thanks again. Sirromhc (talk) 12:58, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

@Sirromhc: You're welcome! Good catch on the categorization issue-- that's not something I normally check. I'm not entirely sure why it was sorted there, but I used Template:DEFAULTSORT to force it to sort by his last name. Looks like it works on the few categories I checked. I, JethroBT 15:40, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi I JethroBT - Good to see you were able to resolve the categorization issue. I've added a few more references after ploughing through magazine and newspaper archives to back up citation requirements. These added through the Cite Templates. Hopefully, I'm not planning any further additions to the Article and that the clean-up of the past few days is an improvementSirromhc (talk) 18:20, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

November 2013 GA Thanks

This user has contributed to Davis Theater good articles on Misplaced Pages.

On behalf of WP:CHICAGO, I thank you for your editorial contributions to Davis Theater, which recently was promoted to WP:GA.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:02, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Tony! I, JethroBT 21:44, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Teahouse- How do I find questions?

Hi there I JethroBT!

I just joined the Teahouse hosts team, and I am wondering how I could answer questions that Teahouse users ask. I installed all of the listed scripts, including the Teahouse Host Navigation Box script. I have bypassed my browser's cache, and no 'Teahouse Host Navigation Box' shows up on any of the Teahouse pages. Any ideas?

Thanks! Newyorkadam (talk) 22:14, 4 December 2013 (UTC)Newyorkadam

WAIIT NEVERMIND I found it :D It's at the bottom of the pages! I'm going edit the script page to mention that it shows up at the bottom. Thanks!

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WP:IMAGINE Part 2: The Opinionized Editorial

Put that fine piece of work up on the auction-block. User_talk:Mark_Miller#WP:WER_op-ed. You got any more where that came from?  :-)

  p.s Also, as always of course WP:REQUIRED applies and this is only a suggestion, but would you mind becoming a sock exactingly following WP:MULTIPLE, and creating User:Jethrobot User:JethroBot User:JethroBT and the corresponding talkpages? They can then #REDIRECT to here at your official uid, and you can afterwards get the redirects full-page-prot by some handy admin, so they won't be vandalized someday.

  Reason being, my non-positronic brain is weak, and I keep dropping the I_ prefix or trying to comma-ify the uid like the book-title, plus wikipedia has no useful uid-search-mechanism (typo just takes you straight to a redlink slash errmsg). As a bonus, if you do one day decide to become a boht master... as opposed to personally embodying a positronic robot... you'll already have the appropriate secondary account ready to go, without needing to WP:USURP. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 12:37, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Glad it's on the auction block and not the chopping kind. Thanks for speaking so highly of my essay, though I only learned those ideas from John Green and DFW. I'd be happy to expand upon it for the purposes of an OP-ED. I don't have any other immediate ideas for essays right now, but do have some things I could write about Misplaced Pages in an OP-ED format. As for creating multiple accounts, I think I'll hold off. I don't have any interest in creating a bot either now or in the foreseeable future (it's just not my skill set). I'm generally reluctant to create multiple accounts. I think close usernames are automatically denied at registration; I remember trying to register "IJethrobot" some years ago to prevent its creation and it told me it was too similar to I Jethrobot, so I'm not too worried about impersonators right now. That said, I'll keep the idea under consideration, as it may be more relevant next year. I, JethroBT 18:07, 10 December 2013 (UTC)