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Gun Control
Initiated by Gaijin42 (talk) at 20:19, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Involved parties
- Gaijin42 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), filing party
- AndyTheGrump (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Goethean (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Justanonymous (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- North8000 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- SPECIFICO (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Probably many more, but his is the core locus.
- Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
- Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried
- Talk:Gun_control#Authoritarianism_and_gun_control_RFC (ongoing RFC/Debate)
- Talk:Gun_control/Archive_3#RFC:_Section_on_Association_of_Gun_control_with_authoritarianism
- Misplaced Pages:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/Gun_Control
- Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive251#Conflict_around_Gun_control
- Wikipedia_talk:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/Archive_13#Gun_Control_DR.2FN
- Talk:Gun_control/Archive_5#RFC
Statement by Gaijin42
Extended controversial edit war and content dispute. Nazi use of gun control is a historical fact, documented by COPIOUS primary and secondary sources User:Gaijin42/GunControlArguments (including primary sources of the laws, orders, memos, diaries etc of the Nazis, historical secondary news accounts confirming the events etc. These historical facts are a common theme in the gun control debate being used internationally by gun rights proponents, and criticized by gun control proponents. (many books, magazine articles, scholarly articles etc on both sides) Numerous dispute resolution avenues have been explored, all resulting in no consensus and a stalemated edit war running over months. ArbCom does not generally take sides in content disputes, but here I think the core problem is differing opinions on policy, therefore policy clarification is required which will enable parties to work on the same page.WP:NPOV says all significant viewpoints should be included in a neutral manner, based on WP:RS and WP:V . After significant debate and edit warring and extended page protection, the following text was WP:BOLDly added by myself and promptly removed - note that everything is sources to scholarly articles, books, and neutrally presented including more text on the opposing viewpoint.. The history is verified. The peoples opinions about the history is verified. The counter arguments are verified. (Admittedly over the course of the war, there have been poor versions of text included, but the war prevented a standard BRD improvement cycle since the content has been repeatedly deleted.)
Questions for clarification
- To what degree does consensus determine what WP:FRINGE is. Are WP:RS required to label something as fringe, or is WP:OR sufficient
- to what degree can WP:FRINGE be applied at all to political opinions based on uncontested facts (even the RS that argue against the gun lobby admit to the core history)
- WP:RS says that "reliable sources are not required to be neutral, unbiased, or objective. "
- As admitted by the sources in the counter argument, the confiscation history is verifiably true, and the opinions are held by a large number of people (particularly in the US, but to a lesser degree internationally as well)
- Although there is no globalize policy/guideline, the argument has been raised that since this is primarily a US argument it is unfit for the general gun control article. To what degree does having a global overview require excluding viewpoints which are notable in a particular country?
Gaijin42 (talk) 20:53, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
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