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I think that was when I was a noob in regards to userfying stuff. The original page was a random page created by the user and it appeared to be user page stuff. Also, it was late at night and I am sorry if it disturbed you. If there is anything I can do leave a message, Yanksox 18:13, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

re: block

As I said on AN/I, if he will just promise to stop evading the block, I will reduce it back to a week. So far he hasn't contacted me. I think my offer is reasonable, and as someone else pointed out on his talk, he can open an RFC against me or anyone else after the week is up. He was causing a lot of disruption before and especially after his block, so I think he needs some time to cool off. Of course if he said he'd stop the disruption and I thought he was being serious, I'd unblock him entirely. But again, he hasn't contacted me. --W.marsh 01:56, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

He was unappologetically evading a block and causing disruption. There's simply no excuse for that. If he's not mature enough to realize that, I'm sorry, but there's nothing I can do about it. I think I'm being reasonable. --W.marsh 02:00, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

That's fine, and in fact, it's all I'm asking for... if he says he will stop evading the block, I will take it back down to the 1 week. Anything beyond that he'll need to talk to the admin who gave the 1 week block, not me. --W.marsh 02:08, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Unblock request

You need to contact the blocking admin. --pgk 06:58, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

How am I supposed to contact him if he blocks me? Furthermore, I do not trust him and think other admins should handle this case. He blocked without any basis, apparently as he tries to censor me because he disagrees with me in the case of another user whose original block was unfair: Dabljuh. Socafan 10:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Through the email this user link on his user page, or via the mailing list. Since the user has check user ability and most other admins don't I cannot review the same information as he has, so I cannot fully review. --pgk 17:27, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

The email option is only available if you provide an email address yourself. I have not as I already get enough spam. I know of no mailing list and do not want to participate in any. Furthermore, as I wrote, I do not trust this user. He has not provided any evidence for his claim, thus the block should be undone until he does so - which he cannot because his claim is false. Please stop undoing my unblock request unless you have reason to decide upon it, thank you. Socafan 23:08, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Please do not re-add the unblock template. You've been told how to resolve the problem, please do so. If you continue re-adding the template without taking any other steps, we may be forced to block your talk page from editing. Shell 04:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

You cannot force me to rely on an abusive admin. And as I explained already I could not do that anyways. Socafan 10:15, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

After talking with the blocking admin, I've unblocked you. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 05:12, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

A request for unblock is not a request to get told to email the blocking admin. The above comment by Shell Kinney is entirely inappropriate. Zocky | picture popups 10:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Please apologize for revealing users' location without their approval

and promise not to ever do this again. Socafan 23:43, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

You apparently have no idea what you're talking about. The Foundation's privacy policy allows information on the general location of an individual to be released; saying "He's coming from ---" or "He's editing from ---" is perfectly within policy. I suggest that the next time you call someone out, you get your facts straight before you make a total fool of yourself. Essjay (Talk • Connect) 02:31, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

There was absolutely no need to infringe on other users' privacy. Checkuser is a last resort for difficult cases. Please show me where in the policy it is indicated you are allowed to reveal where users edit from. Privacy policy says: Therefore if you are very concerned about privacy, you may wish to log in and publish under a pseudonym. When using a pseudonym, your IP address will not be available to the public. Socafan 10:10, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

It's technically in the Checkuser policy, though I think you are correct that it is contradictory to the privacy policy, which is probably more important. I reccomend taking it up on the Checkuser talk page, not with Essjay. Armedblowfish (talk|mail|contribs) 11:32, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I cannot access that page as another admin blocked me without any basis. The policy you cite reads: Even if the user is committing abuse, it's best not to reveal personal information if possible. - I did not commit any abuse.

If you're in any doubt, give no detail. Both these principles were violated. Socafan 23:11, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

It also states, Revealing the country is generally not personally identifiable (e.g. "User:Querulous is coming in from the UK, User:Sockpuppet is coming in from Canada"). So the Wikimedia Foundation does not feel that revealing what country you are coming from is a revelation of personal information. (Or, at least they didn't when they wrote the Checkuser policy.) I am sorry you felt that my above comment implied that I believe you had committed an abuse - I meant no such thing, only that this is something you should take up with the Wikimedia community as a whole, who made the policy, rather than one person who carried it out. I am sorry you are banned, though reading your talk page led me to believe that the ban was lifted. Also note that Meta Mediawiki accounts are separate, so even if you are blocked on the English Misplaced Pages, I doubt that extends beyond the English Misplaced Pages. Armedblowfish (talk|mail|contribs) 13:15, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the ban was lifted, and no, I did not think you thought I had committed abuse, I had only pointed out that I had not committed any abuse in order to show emphasize that no personal information should have been revealed. Based on the two lines I pointed out I still think that the policy was violated. Even if revealing the country might be ok in some cases, there was no abuse, there was no need to reveal it, and two statements in the policy support my view. Socafan 13:25, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Advice

There's nothing wrong with being offended if you are wrongly accused. It's perfectly natural. But the best thing to do is to let the matter drop. I'm sure Jayjg acted without malice. People make mistakes. But the best thing to do is to let the matter drop and move on. I realise that's highly unsatisfying advice, but it's the best thing to do. You could drop Jayjg a note saying that you are unhappy about what happened, you could ask for an apology - but to be honest, the more you do to keep this matter alive, the more people will identify you with this issue. Best thing you could do is to forget about it and move on. People will judge you by what you do and how you interact with people. Find something that interests you, make some contributions to articles. Get to know people.

On the other hand, the more you pursue this, the more you are likely to be defined by this. You won't have fun. It isn't worth it. As for the email address - you don't get spam by adding an email address. I have gotten lots of email from other editors, but never any spam (I use an email specifically for Misplaced Pages). Also, if you use the link your email address isn't revealed to the recipient, just your Misplaced Pages user name. Guettarda 13:58, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I back up everything Guettarda just said. Let the matter drop. Also the wikipedia email facility prevents you from getting spam because it does not reveal your email address to anyone. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 14:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Hm, but everyone can email me then, even without knowing my address.? Socafan 14:17, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, people will only know your address if you reply to the e-mail. Yanksox 14:18, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes indeed, I know, but still they can bug me by sending mails. Furthermore, irrespective of this specific case, is it ok to block a user without presenting any evidence for the accusation? Socafan 14:21, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Sort of. I don't want to say it's never OK to block someone without presenting evidence because in many cases sockpuppets are obvious and evidence is clear to anyone who looks. Obviously in this case I feel that a mistake was made, which is why i undid the block. But I am sure it was down to error rather than malice. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 14:29, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Also see another response on my talk page. Armedblowfish (talk|mail|contribs) 14:23, 16 June 2006 (UTC)