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9/11 conspiracy theory intro

Pokipsy, the consensus was against you on this one. Plus you are getting dangerously close to vioalating the The three revert rule.--DCAnderson 20:36, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

The objections were only yours and that of bill. Bill completely misunderstood my edit ("You just wanted to show that some people disagree with the mainstream criticism of the conspiracy" he said) I explained he was wrong and he didn't object my explanation. Moreover your objection was just a sort of "preference" (you liked it best before, you find the addition is not "needed"), it is not a substantial objection. It is very little to say that "the consensus is against me". However thank you for making me notice the The three revert rule.--Pokipsy76 20:50, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

From looking at the history of people who reverted it, Tom Harrison was against it too. And nobody seemed to have supported it, except you.--DCAnderson 20:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Tom Harrison didn't give any motivation for his revert, it was pure vandalism.--Pokipsy76 21:00, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I see someone has already mentioned the three-revert rule. Please try to build a consensus for your changes on the talk page. Tom Harrison 21:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Please never write again in my discussion page.--Pokipsy76 21:32, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Please don't be a dick. Also, what language is "a little number of journalists" in? Whether or not it was "a deliberate attempt to reduce the quality of the encyclopedia", it succeeded in doing so. -- Jibal 11:33, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Do "a small number" work better?--Pokipsy76 08:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits, such as those you made to 9/11 conspiracy theories, are considered vandalism. If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the hard work of others. Thanks. --DCAnderson 21:39, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Please don't write in my tak page again. Thank you.--Pokipsy76 21:40, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind trying to defend the skeptic POV, just defending an NPOV is impossible at this point. Check the talk pages at Collapse of the World Trade Center and also the Sept 11 attacks. Completely innoquous but relevant and verifiable facts will not be tolerated if they might bring into question any aspects of the official version. And as demonstrated above, harrasment and intimidation are not unheard of either. By the way DC is a new editor(provided he's not a sock). This is very interesting too SkeenaR 22:39, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

i'm pretty sure I'm not a sock. But that link is pretty interesting though. It all makes sense now! The Secret Masters of Misplaced Pages are out to get you! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!--DCAnderson 23:25, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about that last comment, it was immature.

Anyway, the edit you made immediately after Tom finnaly removed your edit can be construed as vandalism in retaliation for Tom's edit. (The one where you inserted the word "little.") The Misplaced Pages policy towards handling vandalism is that I add the above template to your page. I can assure you we are not trying to gang up on you, or unfairly push a POV, but your edit to the page was unpopular, and you failed to accept that.

The section addressed "to Bill" was pretty much a straightforward personal attack. I admit that many of us acted pretty smarmy to you after that point, and I am sorry, but you had pretty much dragged the whole discussion down at that point.--DCAnderson 23:55, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

One of the interesting things about the link, DC and Pokipsy, are the news articles that are linked to within. I could care less what kind of opinions DC holds or how much of a joke him or any of the other guys thinks it is. It should get an NPOV article, very much unlike what is happening right now. It so happens that at least Mongo has pointed out that this is not benign subject matter, it involves an act of stupendous violence that cost thousands of lives. I would add that decisions made based on our understanding of these events determines the fate of nations and millions of lives. So laugh it up DC. SkeenaR 00:01, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm also going to point out that calling such minor edits as that vandalism is really really stretching it. Putting that warning sign up on this page is way overkill. I'm just going to suggest getting a little more practice at this before acting like a big tough administrator and doing a wholesale POV article rewrite of a controversial subject. SkeenaR 00:09, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

How I really feel about Conspiracy Theories

Millions of lives do depend on this. As a result of Conspiracy Theories, a wave of violent Anti-Semitism has risen in the Middle East.

Throughout much of the world, Conspiracy Theories are being used to justify anti-Americanism. (not all of it is undeserved, but it shouldn't be further fueled by mere speculation.)

Conspiracism doesn't help solve any of the world's problems, it's only used to "dumb-down" the issues. Remember, all the world's problems can easily be blamed on who you personally don't like: The Jews, The Right Wingers, The Left Wingers. No sense in actually trying to understand the issue.

You happen to not like the Bush administration? Well rather than address the real things that they have really done wrong, go accuse them of being part of "a conspiracy." Don't attack them for what they have done, attack them for what they "could potentially have done." Yah, that will really help your case.

If you want to see an example of how much damage an unfounded Conspiracy Theory can do, check out the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. It is a well known hoax that was used to justify the Holocaust.

So no, I don't think Conspiracy Theories are that much of a joking matter.--DCAnderson 00:20, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

We agree on some of it anyway. I have said it before though, and I'll say it again, it isn't wise to dismiss out of hand and ridicule. I'm not saying that these theories are true, but they should have an NPOV spot. I'm not saying that this is the case, but here is an example of what I mean Gulf of Tonkin Incident. And now we are seeing things like . Read that. Live up to your claim of skepticism and don't be too credulous. SkeenaR 00:39, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Please stop

From Skeena's talk page, "Aren't your defense of vandals, unmotivated cuts to the article and your total unability do make a democratic discussion (I can't find one in the talk page) a form of incivilty and edit warring?" . If you think that's the case, take it to dispute resolution. Inform yourself about what constitutes vandalism. Your persistent incivility and accusations of vandalism are becoming disruptive, and you've been here long enough to know better. If you ever again in any way suggest that I have vandalized the article, or that I am editing in bad faith, I will ask for a review of your conduct and appropriate action from an uninvolved administrator. Tom Harrison 14:17, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

ROTFL!--Pokipsy76 15:52, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Tom Harrison 15:37, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Wow, that's pretty slick.--DCAnderson 17:26, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry but in the second part of i made no mistakes, I really wanted to speak about you, Tom.--Pokipsy76 08:40, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. 9/11 is a difficult subject. Best regards, Tom Harrison 12:41, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

When you revert my edit, , you restore the embedded links which I have tried to eliminate in order to use footnotes as I did in the rest of the article. This is vandalism and I asked people to not do this on the talk page. Next time, you'll be blocked for vandalism, plain and simple.--MONGO 20:25, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

This is Vandalism according to which policy?--Pokipsy76 23:19, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

--Striver 10:14, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Take a look at this --Striver 10:14, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Blocked

Your POV pushing days are numbered as far as the 9/11 articles are concerned. You routinely revert for no reason except to push your nonsense. I have blocked you from editing for 48 hours.--MONGO 18:11, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

You are the POV pusher here, MONGO. You are clearly biased and it's not fair to block someone that is opposing to your POV pushing just because you have the "power" to do it.--Pokipsy76 18:16, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, right. I support the known evidence and the correct information as presented by the reputable media sources. You revert me everytime I edit and the conspiracy theory cruft in the 9/11 articles is about to come to an end. Your editing days are numbered if you continue to push nonsense in our articles.--MONGO 18:23, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Do you know that:

Use of blocks to gain an advantage in a content dispute is strictly prohibited. That is, sysops must not block editors with whom they are currently engaged in a content dispute.?

That's exactly what hou did. I'll take this violation to the attention of the other admins.--Pokipsy76 18:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I encourage that...You're not alone, as I and others intend to start blocking POV pushers of nonsense in earnest.--MONGO 18:31, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

So please tell me how to do it given the edit block.--Pokipsy76 18:32, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Post {{unblock}} here and explain to the admin coming in why you think you should be unblocked. If unblocked and you revert me one more time, I'm going to block you for a week.--MONGO 18:37, 18 June 2006 (UTC)