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Greetings Rich, you need to be more careful with your edits. I noticed you used the undo button, some editors may constitute that as "using automation". :-) Seriously though, I hope things are going well for you these days. Kumioko (talk) 01:15, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

  • Coming from anyone else, like some of Rich's 'friends' watching this page and every move Rich makes, the above comment could be construed as either a warning as a prelude to ANI or taking the piss. Of course I know you better than that. Personal computers have changed the world by allowing things to be done much, much faster than purely by the human hand. I guess one might call that invention "automation" in itself, never mind what humans use it for afterwards. ;-) Have a good one! -- Ohc ¿que pasa? 01:32, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Anybody who imposes sanctions on Rich for this undo should themselves be sanctioned, because it is not a crime to revert your own edit. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:02, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
It shouldn't be a crime to do a lot of things around here. But I have seen some pretty outlandish decisions by Arbcom, AE and even individual editors that somehow don't get overturned. The vagueness of the sanction against Rich is where the crime lies where anything in the judgement of the admin can be construed as automation. Excel, cut and paste, twinkle, etc. have all been identified as automation. Kumioko (talk) 14:52, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Arbcom was very specific in what types of edits Rich was forbidden to engage in, including cutting and pasting. There are many sad things about this situation. Rich's prolificity is lost to us for a year. But hopefully we can tap his expertise. After all, he still has this talk page. The Transhumanist 08:25, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Rich, remind me again, was one of the problems that you were mass-creating Category talk: pages? --Redrose64 (talk) 23:05, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Yes, indeed it was so alleged, it was even alleged that they were automated, though this was given short shrift. Those creations are of course sanctioned by consensus, in the sense that they are established procedure. However since I was only given 3 minutes to respond to that particular allegation, before an involved admin blocked me for a month, it was never discussed. Rich Farmbrough, 15:54, 3 July 2013 (UTC).

Correction required

In Robert Motherwell we say "extensive reading of symbolist literature, especially Mallarmé, James Joyce, Edgar Allan Poe and Octavio Paz." Of these four, Poe is pre-symbolist, Joyce is post symbolist and Paɀ I don't believe is categoriɀed as symbolist, though maybe this is arguable, he is probably better categoriɀed, like Joyce, as influenced by the symbolists (especially Mallarmé) about whom he wrote. Rich Farmbrough, 09:59, 3 July 2013 (UTC).

Rail

Hi Rich. I am intending on a more descriptive, less misleading classification for Britain's railways. Please give your thoughts as to how we can improve the current classification at the railways template where you have been a contributor. Adam37 (talk) 15:24, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I missed this request at the time, but was unable to comment there anyway. Rich Farmbrough, 09:47, 30 October 2013 (UTC).

Please check your SWWP talk page

Salaam. I have left a message on your SW-WIKI-TALK-PAGE! Please advise accordingly..--Mwanaharakati 12:45, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, replied there at the time. Rich Farmbrough, 09:47, 30 October 2013 (UTC).



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Proposed deletion of Shabeg Singh

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This article needs to be re-written. Rich Farmbrough, 12:02, 30 October 2013 (UTC).
OK this has been done (by reverting to a pre-vio versions), but work is still required. Rich Farmbrough, 12:05, 30 October 2013 (UTC).

Request to take part in a survey

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 DoneRich Farmbrough, 12:02, 30 October 2013 (UTC).

Request for Review

Hello there

I am the contributor for http://en.wikipedia.org/Aditi_Technologies page.

I have cleaned up all the issues and have aligned the content to Misplaced Pages guidelines. Can you please review the page and help me to get away from the status message - "This article has multiple issues.

I am open for feedback.

Many Thanks Ashwin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashwinckm1983 (talkcontribs) 11:05, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately I can't help at the moment. Rich Farmbrough, 12:02, 30 October 2013 (UTC).


Bat-signal

Your thoughts on the problem represented by, for example, (5796) 1978 VK5 ? Chrisrus (talk) 18:10, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Chrisus, I remain willing to complete this work once I am permitted to do so again.
It does not really constitute a "problem" as such, asteroids are not like people where there are some billions we actively don't want articles on, for legal reasons not least. Asteroid stubs are harmless and verifiable.
My main concern is that, given consensus to replace the stubs with redirects (rightly or wrongly) we do a good clean job, without loosing information, and without prejudicing re-creation of individual articles as circumstances change.
Rich Farmbrough, 00:51, 3 August 2013 (UTC).
I understand. Please, if you would, put Misplaced Pages:Minor planet articles that might fail NASTRO on your watchlist and comment or act as you may/would. Chrisrus (talk) 05:28, 3 August 2013 (UTC) Actually, you might want to see this first: Misplaced Pages:BOTREQ#Bot_needed_to_make_a_list Chrisrus (talk) 05:46, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
I thought I created an on-wikilist, of course that might be outdated now. The job could be substantially finished reasonably quickly, were I permitted to do it. Rich Farmbrough, 22:59, 8 August 2013 (UTC).

Correction required - Barbie

Barbie includes the sentence "At 5'9" tall and weighing 110 lbs, Barbie would have a BMI of 16.24 and fit the weight criteria for anorexia." Firstly the wiki-link to anorexia is to the wrong article, and the correct article is linked earlier in the paragraph. Secondly BMI is not a "criteria" for anorexia nervosa unless relatd to other symptoms as I understand it, though unsurprisingly correlations exist. I would suggest the whole sentence is removed. Rich Farmbrough, 00:37, 9 August 2013 (UTC).

Note that the figure of 17.5 is described (in our BMI article as well as other places) as having a relationship (we say "informal criterion", without a cite), other places say "People with anorexia generally have a BMI below 17.5. " to a plain wrong " Adults with anorexia have a BMI below 17.5." Rich Farmbrough, 00:46, 9 August 2013 (UTC).
We should possibly have an article on SEED.Rich Farmbrough, 01:00, 9 August 2013 (UTC).

Iraqi Swiss dinar

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s/envoys/convoys/

The

massive movements of currency around the country went off well, although two

currency convoys were unsuccessfully attacked in an intense firefight near Samarra in late November 2003

Rich Farmbrough, 23:09, 15 August 2013 (UTC).

No editing by proxy, please. Huon (talk) 23:34, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. Rich Farmbrough, 00:26, 16 August 2013 (UTC).

Technical query

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is giving timeouts - any idea why? The script url is enough to give me timeouts and wonder if something is fundamentally wrong here. Rich Farmbrough, 21:42, 17 August 2013 (UTC).

The script is 626 kBytes. For a site where 64 kByte of content generates a "long page" warning this seems an unacceptable overhead. Can someone please copy this to VP:T. Rich Farmbrough, 09:42, 30 October 2013 (UTC).
Many thanks! Rich Farmbrough, 12:06, 30 October 2013 (UTC).
Per the discussion I removed almost all gadgets, I still get timeouts. Rich Farmbrough, 18:50, 15 November 2013 (UTC).

Your article submission Hoërskool Voortrekker

Hello Rich Farmbrough. It has now been over six months since you last edited your article submission, entitled Hoërskool Voortrekker.

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Fortunately, or otherwise, this article, for which I can claim less than 0.1% of the credit, has been live in mainspace for over a year. Rich Farmbrough, 17:08, 19 August 2013 (UTC).
I am curious as to how long a notice we consider appropriate for the type of user who would have submitted an article and not touched it for six months. I can see no reason to rush, AFC responses themselves, when I last looked, took a good few weeks. Rich Farmbrough, 17:11, 19 August 2013 (UTC).
It was discussed to death at WT:CSD, over many threads; it got so tedious that I unwatched the page. See Misplaced Pages talk:Criteria for speedy deletion/Archive 48#Proposed new criterion: abandoned article drafts et seq. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:41, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. It seems the general idea is promulgated by the fuss-budgets of the community, rather than those concerned with specific and somewhat relevant concerns. The matter would be simply resolved by dealing with AFC properly, but there seems to be a lack of resource for that - it was on my list of things to do. Rich Farmbrough, 22:00, 19 August 2013 (UTC).

Drum magazine

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s/without making it too big to be impractical to carry./without making it so large it is impractical to carry./

Inadvertent double negative. Could also wiki-link AK-47.

Thanks Rich Farmbrough, 02:20, 27 August 2013 (UTC).

What an awkwardly worded sentence that was. Fixed it and added the wikilink. Howicus (talk) 03:27, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Many thanks! Rich Farmbrough, 03:28, 27 August 2013 (UTC).

Another Barnstar for You!

The Rosetta Barnstar
Thanks for all of your work in translating articles! Ensignricky Talk 21:31, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
It is my pleasure! Rich Farmbrough, 20:10, 2 September 2013 (UTC).

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Thank you very much for naming Yemen villages. Khmansour1 (talk) 11:42, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
You are most welcome! Rich Farmbrough, 20:10, 2 September 2013 (UTC).

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Many thanks. Rich Farmbrough, 20:10, 2 September 2013 (UTC).

If you want to appeal your block, I expect you know how to do so. This is an inappropriate use of your talk page while blocked. Huon (talk) 20:43, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Sadly I am not entitled to appeal this block.

It is however totally appropriate use of my talk page (unlike the block which is contrary to blocking policy, being clearly punitive).

Wikipedians in turn are not permitted to post or edit material at the direction of a blocked editor (sometimes called proxy editing or proxying) unless they can show that the changes are either verifiable or productive...

Thank you for making productive edits to improve the encyclopaedia. Rich Farmbrough, 03:01, 3 September 2013 (UTC).

I added a comment to the AfC draft to let the author know about the main-space article. —rybec 03:36, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Belated thanks Rybec. Rich Farmbrough, 12:08, 30 October 2013 (UTC).

Oxford Meetup 9

Hi, I've created m:Meetup/Oxford/9 with no date, would October 13 or October 20 be most convenient for you? There's a discussion page at m:Talk:Meetup/Oxford/9 so that a date may be agreed. Please comment there. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:21, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

 Done Rich Farmbrough, 12:09, 30 October 2013 (UTC).

Talk Archive

Hi Rich! I hope you are keeping well. With any luck, by the time your block expires ArbCom won't exist anymore. Anyway...

I saw this edit of yours. I thought of two things. One, you might consider doing a setup similar to the way I handle my talk page 'archives'. See the "old content" bar on the top of my talk page. I've personally never liked the idea of having a talk page archive of any kind, and have eschewed creating them. Some people criticized me for that in the past. So sad for them. This system has worked well for me. Two, if you'd like I'd be happy to create the necessary talk page archives for you and move appropriate content to them at your direction. I realize that makes me a proxy editor for you, but I can't see there being any objection to me doing so within your own talk space.

The software should allow a blocked editor to create and maintain subpages within their own userspace. We already have the ability to block someone such that they can not edit their own talk page. Perhaps that needs to be modified to not permit own userspace editing. This would mean that without that block we would allow editors to edit as much as they like in their own userspace.

Let me know if you'd like me to assist you with the latter suggestion. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:02, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

That's a kind offer. If Mr. Farmbrough would instead like a bot to do the archiving, I'd be happy to set that up—or if he'd like to be unsubscribed from any newsletter. —rybec 18:11, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks to you both, I may take you up on these offers. The first problem with my existing talk page/archive is that I moved the talk page to the early archives (which is not a bad idea for some reasons, but no longer suits the case). A hist-merge back would be a great start to sorting the archiving issues, if any admin feels up to the task. Rich Farmbrough, 13:23, 30 October 2013 (UTC).

Please msaada with Kigezo:Tupac Shakur !

Salaam. I have just updated the above mentioned kigezo at SWWP. Pity, I can't find out where did I miss. It doesn't work at all - please be a pal and have sometime to crosscheck it! We need you there. Best!--Mwanaharakati 05:38, 22 September 2013 (UTC)


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If some kind soul would like to install WWW::Misplaced Pages::TemplateFiller from CPAN on a more stable site, or if they have the time and experience to maintain something on the toolserver, I'd be forever grateful. In the meantime, I'll keep trying. --David Iberri (talk) 20:11, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

I've wondered about Wikimedia Tool Labs but am not proficient with LAMP stacks, if they're available there. Are you permitted to help? Able to do so?

Thanks for all your work. RDBrown (talk) 02:02, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Boghog is going to try. Unsure if multiple people can collaborate easily on labs, but if so help may still be useful. Thanks. RDBrown (talk) 07:22, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

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Template:Articles to be expanded with sources

Hi, should Template:Articles to be expanded with sources progress be nominated for deletion as an unused template? --Eleassar 22:10, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes it seems so, Eleassar, as should the following categories:
All derive from the now (sadly, and perhaps wrongly, certainly ham-fistedly) deleted {{Expand further}} (or it's poorly named alias {{Expand article}}). Unless another template uses these apparatus they serves no purpose any more. Rich Farmbrough, 12:18, 30 October 2013 (UTC).
Thank you. I've nominated for deletion the template; for the rest, I'll leave it to others, because I'm not sure what may and what may not be deleted. --Eleassar 08:02, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Wow, you have joined the million club (or perhaps that should be 'The Million duo?), congratulations! Matty.007 19:57, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for the barnstar! Yes, this happened some time last year I think. If you like statistics, counting about 3 million bot edits, I was responsible for about 1% of the edits on the English Misplaced Pages. It's nice to still be acknowledged from time to time, though I rarely sign in, due to the offensive messages the system spews at me when I do. Rich Farmbrough, 09:32, 30 October 2013 (UTC).
I wasn't sure if you'd got there recently or not, but none the less this is admirable! How long did it take to work out what percent of edits you were responsible for? Thanks, Matty.007 16:11, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
I would suspect that Rich took his own personal edit count, added in those of his bots, multiplied the total by 100 and divided that figure by the number of edits that have been made to Misplaced Pages; which at the time of the most recent edit to this page, stood at 596056864. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:51, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
Simples!. Matty.007 19:08, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Error

SS Empire Celia departed on the 30th December in convoy JW63. This is supported by the cite, though this several others need to be converted to archived versions. Anyone fixing this might also like to separate "SS" and "Empire" with a space in the first line of the article.

(In other news it's good to see that eventually Mr Cartman was ousted from Mr Pitt's dressing room! Well done Corvoe! I'd give you a barnstar were I allowed!)

Rich Farmbrough, 09:32, 30 October 2013 (UTC).

Thanks! The article says

Between 23 and 26 December Empire Celia embarked a cargo including thirteen Spitfire LF Mk IX's. She then sailed as a member of Convoy JW 63, which departed Loch Ewe on 20 December and arrived at the Kola Inlet on 8 January 1945.

Clearly the Spitfires could not be loaded after the departure of the ship! Since the two ports are about a week's sailing at 20 knots I suspected a typo for "30 December" - the source backs this up. Rich Farmbrough, 09:53, 30 October 2013 (UTC).

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Medicine/Recent changes

Hi Rich. I don't think we've ever interacted. I do a bit of editing on medical pages. Until about a year ago I used to begin my day by clicking on your Special:RecentChangesLinked/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Recent_changes and spend the next hour or fifteen reviewing all the changes since I last looked. Doc James and several others in various time zones used your tool too, and we managed to keep a high degree of scrutiny on en.WP's medical content.

I want to resume patrolling but your tool isn't working any more! just listing recent changes to articles beginning with "A". I will fully understand if you're not interested (and thank you for making and maintaining it for as long as you did) but if you are interested, and are permitted to by whatever this block was about, can you tell me what to do to get it working again, please?

Is there any chance the WMF would take over or replicate and maintain this tool? Would that be a good thing? (I've raised this at VPT, Bot requests and on Boghog's talk page. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 06:47, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Useful tool. Would like to see it working again aswell. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 12:13, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

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Could you please check references for 2 pages Family of Duchess of Cambridge and Gibside THanks so much Mike — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.138.209 (talk) 10:56, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

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Normal text?

Just wondering what you meant by "normal text" in this 2006 edit.

There's some confusion in a discussion at the mixed martial arts Wikiproject regarding whether this applies to fight result tables. Clarification would be appreciated. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:24, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, Misplaced Pages is written for an international audience, many of whom are not likely to be familiar with what are, after all, postal abbreviations (worse AL is also the international code for Albania, for example). So any abbreviations that are region specific are best avoided wherever possible. I am always wary of making rules, which is why I appended the, perhaps imprecise, caveat "normal text", clearly quotations and template parameters are exceptions. As to tables that is a grey area, I would be reluctant to censure - indeed I would never censure - someone for attempting to make table columns narrower, or rows consistently short, although I might disagree with the method. However things are not as simple as we would sometimes like them to be, which in this case is a good thing.
For example the table at displays with single line rows on my main monitor. And indeed there are other options than using state abbreviations to compactify the table, certainly there is no need to spell out "United States" - if, in this case, it is needed at all, US may be used (the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code, preferred in Misplaced Pages), or in certain sports articles associated with FIFA or the IOC "USA" where three letter abbreviations are used throughout the table for countries (though one may question this general usage since, almost invariably, it is seen necessary to add flag icons).
In some cases it may be better to decide a column not to be wrapped, or to encourage or force wrapping in a column, the use of "small" text is not to be encouraged - most users will have the default text at a comfortable size, either they must peer at our "small" text, or zoom in, which makes the table wrapping problems worse than when we started. And in this case {{MMA record start}} already sets "font-size: 85%;".
In the example below we have full state names (though arguably not all are necessary), US for United stated, I have removed BC for Vancover, and replaced England with UK (though simply "London" would probably be OK). The longest row is "São Bernardo do Campo, Brazil", so in this example it is possible to have one's cake and eat it.
Res. Record Opponent Method Event Date Round Time Location Notes
Loss 16–3 Cain Velasquez TKO (slam and punch) UFC 166 Oct 19, 2013 5 3:09 Houston, Texas, US For the UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 16–2 Mark Hunt KO (spinning hook kick) UFC 160 May 25, 2013 3 4:18 Las Vegas, Nevada, US Fight of the Night.
Loss 15–2 Cain Velasquez Decision (unanimous) UFC 155 Dec 29, 2012 5 5:00 Las Vegas, Nevada, US Lost the UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 15–1 Frank Mir TKO (punches) UFC 146 May 26, 2012 2 3:04 Las Vegas, Nevada, US Defended the UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 14–1 Cain Velasquez KO (punches) UFC on Fox 1 Nov 12, 2011 1 1:04 Anaheim, California, US Won the UFC Heavyweight Championship; Knockout of the Night.
Win 13–1 Shane Carwin Decision (unanimous) UFC 131 Jun 11, 2011 3 5:00 Vancouver, Canada UFC Heavyweight title eliminator.
Win 12–1 Roy Nelson Decision (unanimous) UFC 117 Aug 7, 2010 3 5:00 Oakland, California, US
Win 11–1 Gabriel Gonzaga KO (punches) UFC Live: Vera vs. Jones Mar 21, 2010 1 3:53 Broomfield, Colorado, US Knockout of the Night.
Win 10–1 Gilbert Yvel TKO (punches) UFC 108 Jan 2, 2010 1 2:07 Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Win 9–1 Mirko Filipović TKO (eye injury) UFC 103 Sep 19, 2009 3 2:00 Dallas, Texas, US
Win 8–1 Stefan Struve TKO (punches) UFC 95 Feb 21, 2009 1 0:54 London, UK
Win 7–1 Fabricio Werdum KO (punches) UFC 90 Oct 25, 2008 1 1:20 Rosemont, Illinois, US Knockout of the Night.
Win 6–1 Geronimo dos Santos TKO (doctor stoppage) Demo Fight 3 May 24, 2008 1 0:44 Salvador, Brazil
Loss 5–1 Joaquim Ferreira Submission (armbar) MTL: Final Nov 10, 2007 1 1:11 São Paulo, Brazil
Win 5–0 Jair Goncalves TKO (punches) Mo Team League 2 Sep 29, 2007 1 2:52 São Paulo, Brazil
Win 4–0 Joaquim Ferreira TKO (retirement) XFC: Brazil Apr 29, 2007 1 5:20 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Win 3–0 Edson Ramos TKO (doctor stoppage) XFC: Brazil Apr 29, 2007 1 8:45 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Win 2–0 Eduardo Maiorino Submission (guillotine choke) Minotauro Fights 5 Dec 9, 2006 1 0:50 São Bernardo do Campo, Brazil
Win 1–0 Jailson Silva Santos KO (soccer kick) Demo Fight 1 Jul 16, 2006 1 2:58 Salvador, Brazil
Here I have inserted three forced breaks to narrow the table:
Res. Record Opponent Method Event Date Round Time Location Notes
Loss 16–3 Cain Velasquez TKO (slam and punch) UFC 166 Oct 19, 2013 5 3:09 Houston, Texas, US For the UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 16–2 Mark Hunt KO (spinning hook kick) UFC 160 May 25, 2013 3 4:18 Las Vegas, Nevada, US Fight of the Night.
Loss 15–2 Cain Velasquez Decision (unanimous) UFC 155 Dec 29, 2012 5 5:00 Las Vegas, Nevada, US Lost the UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 15–1 Frank Mir TKO (punches) UFC 146 May 26, 2012 2 3:04 Las Vegas, Nevada, US Defended the UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 14–1 Cain Velasquez KO (punches) UFC on Fox 1 Nov 12, 2011 1 1:04 Anaheim, California, US Won the UFC Heavyweight Championship;
Knockout of the Night.
Win 13–1 Shane Carwin Decision (unanimous) UFC 131 Jun 11, 2011 3 5:00 Vancouver, Canada UFC Heavyweight title eliminator.
Win 12–1 Roy Nelson Decision (unanimous) UFC 117 Aug 7, 2010 3 5:00 Oakland, California, US
Win 11–1 Gabriel Gonzaga KO (punches) UFC Live: Vera vs. Jones Mar 21, 2010 1 3:53 Broomfield, Colorado, US Knockout of the Night.
Win 10–1 Gilbert Yvel TKO (punches) UFC 108 Jan 2, 2010 1 2:07 Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Win 9–1 Mirko Filipović TKO (eye injury) UFC 103 Sep 19, 2009 3 2:00 Dallas, Texas, US
Win 8–1 Stefan Struve TKO (punches) UFC 95 Feb 21, 2009 1 0:54 London, UK
Win 7–1 Fabricio Werdum KO (punches) UFC 90 Oct 25, 2008 1 1:20 Rosemont, Illinois, US Knockout of the Night.
Win 6–1 Geronimo dos Santos TKO (doctor stoppage) Demo Fight 3 May 24, 2008 1 0:44 Salvador, Brazil
Loss 5–1 Joaquim Ferreira Submission (armbar) MTL: Final Nov 10, 2007 1 1:11 São Paulo, Brazil
Win 5–0 Jair Goncalves TKO (punches) Mo Team League 2 Sep 29, 2007 1 2:52 São Paulo, Brazil
Win 4–0 Joaquim Ferreira TKO (retirement) XFC: Brazil Apr 29, 2007 1 5:20 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Win 3–0 Edson Ramos TKO (doctor stoppage) XFC: Brazil Apr 29, 2007 1 8:45 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Win 2–0 Eduardo Maiorino Submission
(guillotine choke)
Minotauro Fights 5 Dec 9, 2006 1 0:50 São Bernardo do Campo,
Brazil
Win 1–0 Jailson Silva Santos KO (soccer kick) Demo Fight 1 Jul 16, 2006 1 2:58 Salvador, Brazil
I hope that is useful.
All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 18:49, 14 November 2013 (UTC).
Thank you. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:51, November 15, 2013 (UTC)
Hello, thanks for your assistance. It seems that we are focusing (in this discussion) unnecessary attention on the states, when they are listed in the column mainly to distinguish the location of the city. In fact, it got so pedantic that at one stage, some editors insisted on standardising the City, State, Country template, resulting in e.g. "Saitama, Saitama, Japan", where "Saitama, Japan" is perfectly understandable and acceptable. In fact during this current discussion somebody even suggested removing the Location column. It's just a waste of space to bloat the column by spelling out the longer states, e.g. "California" (repeatedly), "Massachusetts", etc. when the state itself contributes little value to the purpose of the table.
Also, I do not agree with "London, UK" - the country is England. It sounds ok for London, because London is also the capital of the UK, therefore we often come across reference to "London, UK", however this familiarity does not extend to, e.g. "Birmingham, UK", which should be "Birmingham, England".
Finally, forced line breaks in the content to improve column display are elegant, but will never last. We would have to insert a comment stating the intention, and also argue forever to defend it. In the HW c'ship history I replaced a line break (with explanation) before "Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira" (below "14. Brock Lesnar") 3-4 times before I lost interest. 110.32.169.30 (talk) 15:21, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
I agree that provided the meaning is clear, it is not necessary to use the "first level administrative distinct", or even the country. My preference would be that London, (or, were they in the table, New York, Tokyo, Paris) could be left unadorned. Of course there are other Londons (and at least one other Paris), but the meaning is clear. Similarly, Las Vagas, São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Dallas and Houston are all well-known cities, Anaheim and one or two others less so. It is, however, common in American journalism to state US places with their state names, it must be an editorial decision whether to omit them in a table, and is probably unwise to have a ruling on this - even for a specific project such as MMA.
In more detail on the tangential point, while "London, England" was a very common Americanism, spawned no doubt by the confusion of terminology (while British Isles, United Kingdom, Great Britain, Britain, England all now have reasonably well defined meanings they have not always been so clear - indeed "England" as a synonym for "Great Britain" has relatively recent currency), the trend for Birmingham is to disambiguate (if at all which is rare) with "UK"
Rich Farmbrough, 18:31, 15 November 2013 (UTC).

Battle of Belmont (1899)

This edit appears to be a copyvio from the source here. Deeper checking would be good, of course. Should anyone wish to re-write and expand the article, additional information can be found in a near contemporary letter here, and I'm sure in many other places.

Rich Farmbrough, 19:11, 14 November 2013 (UTC).

I have rewritten the article. Huon (talk) 20:58, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
Thank you.Rich Farmbrough, 01:58, 15 November 2013 (UTC).

Vandalism

This edit. Rich Farmbrough, 01:58, 15 November 2013 (UTC).

Another copyvio

(The edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Endoscopy&diff=next&oldid=577655609) Rich Farmbrough, 19:44, 15 November 2013 (UTC).

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Info settlement sw

Hi Richard, are you available for some help on sw again? One issue with the present template on Infobox Settlement is that it gives a line

Idadi ya wakazi
- Mji

and this "-Mji" should be out - makes no sense (most places are not "mji"). OK, I cancelled the two mentions og mji - kinmdly have a look if it is ok

Other questions; are you familiar with bots? We have most of these settlements inTanzania with the figures from the 2002 census. By now the figures for 2012 census are available. We need a way to adapt these figures. Do you have an idea for that? Kipala (talk) 09:43, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Rich

Hi Rich. Been a while. Miss you as a friend Admin and your help. Best Wishes. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 21:17, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for those kind words. Rich Farmbrough, 17:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC).

Category:Tribe of Heaven albums

Category:Tribe of Heaven albums, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. –Dream out loud (talk) 18:32, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

I agree on first blush, that now the album page is a redirect, this should go. However it might be useful as a sub-category of Category:Dave Matthews albums. Rich Farmbrough, 17:54, 20 November 2013 (UTC).

Template:Interwiki if redlink

Hi Rich

I've just discovered the existence of Template:Interwiki if redlink which you created in 2010. However there is no documentation associated with it to explain what it does, and the what links here shows only two transclusions neither of which are elucidatory regarding its purpose.

Please could you give a brief overview of what it does and indicate whether it is still needed. (please ping me when you reply) Cheers, Thryduulf (talk) 11:04, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Certainly. Suppose we have an entity which is covered on an another Misplaced Pages, and which should have an article on en:. We want to provide the reader with a link to the article, and a red-link to encourage creation of the en: article. Once the en:article is created the link to the other Misplaced Pages can be suppressed (it will be available as an inter-wiki from the English article of course).
The parameters are
{{Interwiki if redlink|<local article name>|<(pseudo) ISO 639 language code of other Misplaced Pages>|<article name on other Misplaced Pages>}}
The code could be improved to categorise pages where the redlink has turned blue, for removal by a bot, but at the moment that would be a little bit of overkill.
The template is needed for the page on which it is used, whether it could be usefully employed elsewhere is left as an exercise for the reader.
All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 17:12, 20 November 2013 (UTC).


Search error

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&search=Some+Half-Remembered+Thing+&fulltext=Search&ns0=1&ns4=1&ns10=1&ns14=1&ns100=1&redirs=1&profile=advanced

Appears to be reproducible. Rich Farmbrough, 17:57, 20 November 2013 (UTC).

Helpful Pixie Bot Edit

Hi Rich. You might want to take a look at this edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Potnia_Theron&diff=491528266&oldid=461258860

The bot didn't do exactly what was intended, i.e. the {{Please check ISBN}} template did not add the article to Category:Articles with invalid ISBNs. Best regards, (sdsds - talk) 08:28, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) It did add the page to Category:Articles with invalid ISBNs but to see that at the bottom of the page, you need to make sure that "Show hidden categories" is enabled at Preferences → Appearance. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:57, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

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Suez Crisis

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s/24 Labour PMs/24 Labour MPs/

This typo has been present for over a year, illustrating the difficulties of curation vs creation.

Rich Farmbrough, 01:18, 24 November 2013 (UTC).
 Done Thsnk you. —rybec 03:13, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

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Skin Cancer#Epidemiology

The article currently says:

Combined with Australians favoring an outdoor life-style, when temperatures are warmer, under high levels of UV, the associated risk of skin cancer will increase.
  1. Green, Adèle (2012-09-01). "Skin Cancer Prevention: Recent Evidence from Randomized Controlled Trials". Current Dermatology Reports. 1 (3): 123–130. doi:10.1007/s13671-012-0015-9.

I have not been able to find support for this statement in reference (except for the broad relation between UV and skin cancer - which would be better cited to its source F El Ghissassi, R Baan , et al. A review of human carcinogens–part D: radiation. Lancet Oncololgy 2009;10:751–2) in the source. I think this should be re-written.

Combined with Australians favoring an outdoor life-style, when temperatures are warmer, under high levels of UV, the associated risk of skin cancer will increase.
  1. F El Ghissassi, R Baan; et al. (August 2009). "A review of human carcinogens–part D: radiation". Lancet Oncololgy. 10 (8): 751–2. doi:10.1016/S1470-2045(09)70213-X. {{cite journal}}: Explicit use of et al. in: |author= (help); Unknown parameter |registration= ignored (|url-access= suggested) (help)

The first part could be completely removed. I think there is danger also of original synthesis here.

Rich Farmbrough, 23:45, 28 November 2013 (UTC).
Thank you; I've changed it. rybec 02:48, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Seasons greetings, Rich Farmbrough, 09:07, 6 December 2013 (UTC).

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Apparent vandalism

This edit should be reverted. Rich Farmbrough, 15:46, 5 December 2013 (UTC).

Done, thanks. --NeilN 15:55, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Progress template wrong?

Why did I have to make these edits to make Template:Articles with too many wikilinks progress show the correct total?

It used to show 1 dated, 1 undated, and 2 total, but since the one entry in the undated category is the "All" category, it should have shown 1 dated , 1 undated, and 1 total, as it does now, after my edits.

According to the documentation of Template:Progress box, the progress box should have been able to do this automatically, since the undated category is simply "All"+the dated category. The documentation says: Where there is no "All" category specified and one is not found by prepending "All" to the undated category name, the total is calculated by adding the component categories.

Do you have an explanation? Debresser (talk) 01:28, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

It's this bit of code:

| align="right"|'''{{<includeonly>Safesubst:</includeonly>#if:{{{3|}}}|{{<includeonly>Safesubst:</includeonly>PAGESINCATEGORY:{{{3|All {{lcfirst:{{{1|}}}}}}}}}}|

It should read

| align="right"|'''{{<includeonly>Safesubst:</includeonly>#ifexist:{{{3|All {{lcfirst:{{{1|}}}}}}}}|{{<includeonly>Safesubst:</includeonly>PAGESINCATEGORY:{{{3|All {{lcfirst:{{{1|}}}}}}}}}}|

(Alternatively, and maybe better, a /core template could be used - or indeed Lua though I'm not sure how well that supports the safesubst: - which incidentally allows (should allow?) one to take a snapshot of the category set, to track progress with individual months.)
Further you can improve the call in the specific progress box thus

{{Progress box|Articles with too many wikilinks|factor=1}}

Articles with too many wikilinks(refresh)
Subtotals
October 20231
March 20241
June 20241
July 20241
August 20241
Undated articles0
All articles5
Seasons greetings, Rich Farmbrough, 08:06, 6 December 2013 (UTC).

Also, why does Category:Articles with too many wikilinks say there is a backlog, if there is only one article? What is the trigger for showing the backlog parameter in this case? Debresser (talk) 01:31, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

The {{Parent monthly clean up category}} template was not cut from whole cloth, but made to reflect current usage, as such it calls the {{Backlog subcategories}} which reflected the then usage (except it used text for sub-cats) - but takes no parameters, presumably because no reliable mechanism for counting entries in sub categories then existed (I am guessing that with Lua all things are possible). It is not clear, of course, what constitutes a backlog, arguably one article does - and mathematicians would doubtless appeal to the empty backlog.
The purpose (or part of the purpose) of the "Safesubst" version of the template was to enable record-keeping to define what constitutes a "backlog" - under the definition "significantly more work-in-progress than normal" (the other part, of course, to see where there is no "normal" but simply an ever increasing pile of issues).
If you think this problem (the presence of the message box) is worth attention there are six quick solutions that spring to mind:
  1. Get rid of the message box, it is redundant
  2. Make it supressable by parameter "backlog=no" to {{Parent monthly clean up category}} - pragmatically most (I dare not say all, though I suspect it) categories are either backlogged permanently, or never (like uncategorized), for some value of "backlogged".
  3. Drive it from the "All blah" category size
  4. Drive it from the existence of a "one month ago" or "two months ago" category
  5. Drive it from the corresponding Category:Monthly clean up category (<blah>) counter.
  6. Use the counting code from {{progress box}}.
Seasons greetings, Rich Farmbrough, 08:37, 6 December 2013 (UTC).


Why do you say in solution 1 that the backlog template is redundant? I think I may agree, but I'd like to hear your reasoning. I do understand correctly that you mean it is redundant in the {{Parent monthly clean up category}} template, right? Debresser (talk) 12:12, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes I do mean that. Either there is a backlog or the sub-cats are empty - which is plain to see, and pretty unusual. Seasons greetings, Rich Farmbrough, 16:52, 10 December 2013 (UTC).

I made the change to {{Progress box}}, and now we are back to counting the "All" category in all cases, regardless of whatever the third parameter is. I thought the idea was to exclude the "All" category from the total, no? Debresser (talk) 13:17, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Well, the idea is to use the "all" category if it exists, because that is far more efficient than 72 calls to {{PAGESINCATEGORY}}. The explicit naming is just for when the obvious naming convention is not followed (and, for example, names like "All Misplaced Pages pages needing...." where the template would assume "All wikipedia pages needing...." was the name of the "All" category). As you know I consider the "All..." categories pretty useless anyway, but they do at least allow that small benefit. Seasons greetings, Rich Farmbrough, 16:52, 10 December 2013 (UTC).
Thanks for your replies. It was nice speaking with you again. Debresser (talk) 20:38, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Mixtape#History

As well as being completely unsourced (and a little dubious) this section repeats itself and could do with a quick re-write. (Also the lead might mention "mix tape" which seems to have been a very common spelling.)

Seasons greetings, Rich Farmbrough, 10:07, 6 December 2013 (UTC).

Strawberry Swing#background not in citation

"Coldplay sparked an interest at Hispanic influences after having recorded in churches and in Spanish-speaking countries such as in Mexico in America and Spain in Europe, adding an African-sounding influence to the song."

The source cited merely says recorded in, and inspired by, Spanish churches and paintings and other artsy atmospheric stuff (though how one records in a painting remains a mystery). No reference to Mexico or Africa. Moreover Viva la Vida indicates the recording locations of:

  • The Bakery, London;
  • The Magic Shop, New York City;
  • The Nunnery, Barcelona;
  • A church, Barcelona


I suggest the sentence be recast:

"Coldplay sparked an interest at Hispanic influences after having recorded in churches in Spanish-speaking locations, Mexico and Spain (Barcelona), adding an African-sounding influence to the song."

  1. Tyrangiel, Josh (2008-06-09). "Coldplay, Viva la Vida". 171 (67). Time: 23. Retrieved 2013-12-06. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help); Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

and the uncited parts be raised on the talk page. (It does seem that any African influence comes from family or musical background, rather than the location of the recording.)

(Note: I am assuming the on-line and print version are not substantially different.)

Also worth noting, there is an interview with Shynola at http://www.coldplay.com/newsdetail.php?id=448 which may be a useful external link or even reference.

Seasons greetings, Rich Farmbrough, 09:54, 6 December 2013 (UTC).

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Mersey Tunnels Police

The navbox at the bottom is redlinked: it should be {{UK private and military police forces}}, not services. Season's greetings, Rich Farmbrough, 07:56, 11 December 2013 (UTC).

 Done, see here. Shall we be seeing you on Sunday? --Redrose64 (talk) 15:51, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
I do hope so. Season's greetings, Rich Farmbrough, 04:38, 13 December 2013 (UTC).

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Uranus (mythology)

The image (shown to the right) included in the infobox on this article describes the main figure as "Aion-Uranus". Aion (the Anatolian one at least) is more commonly identified with Kronos (a son/grandson of Uranus) or possibly according to Eurpides a son of Kronos. Indeed, although much confusion is engendered by other uses and associations (and the strong distinction between Aion and Chronos, the latter often conflated with Kronos), I am not aware of any serious identification of Aion with Uranus, though I am no expert, and my Greek mythology reference books are mostly not accessible right now. I would suggest that this matter be raised on the talk page, with a view to replacing the image.

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Merge partner

Hi.

How do you like this edit to Template:Merge sections? I understand there is no difference between "y" and "yes", but I think the addition of the parameters target and discuss, which are after all used in {{Merge}} as well, was a good idea.

By the way, I added a target parameter to the code of {{Merge to}}, just like we have it in {{Merge}}. I find it confusing that the same parameter we are allowed to use in Merge for indicating the target can not be used in Merge to. I hope you agree that is a good idea?

I wanted to ask you the following. In Merge and Merge to, {{Merge partner}} passes on only the parameter {{{1|}}}. I think that in Merge to this could also be the target parameter. Do you agree? In that case, should the code be {{{1|target}}}? I agree that the word partner was initially meant to mean two articles merging together, but in the case of Merge to, the partner is the target (or the target is the partner, perhaps), wouldn't you say? Debresser (talk) 21:47, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

It's {{{1|{{{target}}}}}}. I agree with your sentiments I think. Season's greetings, Rich Farmbrough, 15:50, 18 December 2013 (UTC).
Thanks for the fix. Done. Debresser (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

By the way, do you see a way of removing Merge sections, Merge sections to and Merge sections from, from Category:Articles for merging with no partner, Category:Items to be merged and in the case of Merge sections also Category:Pages with misplaced templates other than copying the whole codes of Merge, Merge to and Merge from into them (with the necessary adjustments for the fact that section=yes, of course)? And I do not mean wrapping the whole template in includeonly tags, because I think that showing the template in action is a good idea. I have no idea how Merge, Merge to and Merge from do it. Debresser (talk) 22:03, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

You can do this by wrapping the category in {{Merge to}} in a suitable namespace conditional. As to self-documenting by display on the template page I agree in principle. It can make better sense to do this in the {{Documentation}} though. Many many templates (specifically infoboxes) have the overhead of making parameter-free stuff look good on the template page, which is carried to every invocation. Season's greetings, Rich Farmbrough, 16:01, 18 December 2013 (UTC).
Wrapping the category in a conditional that would remove template namespace would remove the functionality for template altogether, and that is not what we want. If I put them on the documentation, won't the documentation and the template page be categorized? Debresser (talk) 20:41, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Yes it would, however the instructions make it clear that {{Merge to}} should not be used on templates.
  • Yes you are quite right, I was suggesting that as a solution to templates containing special code to "rig" their display on one or two pages. E.G. instead of providing a default value that is only displayed on the template page itself the documentation instantiation can include sensible dummy values, that cost (almost) nothing on every other transclusion (depending how smart the Mediawiki software is).
Season's greetings, Rich Farmbrough, 20:46, 19 December 2013 (UTC).

Another small question. Is there any difference between #default={{DMC|||Items to be merged}}, and #default={{DMC|Items to be merged}}?

But these merge templates are still sometimes used in template namespace. That is the problem we have to deal with: how to still detect the merge proposal, but exclude those 3 merge sections templates. Debresser (talk) 21:18, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Functionally, no. Semantically yes. It's like constructing a sentence with an empty subject, no verb and an object that is a full sentence - its a valid sentence, but funny way to go about it. Or saying "We have a car design where the front offside wheel is replaced by a traditional car, and all the other components are rendered obsolete." Season's greetings, Rich Farmbrough, 20:46, 19 December 2013 (UTC).
I see. Thanks. Debresser (talk) 21:18, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

And a less small question. If I want to sort template namespace with an additional parameter, like in Template:Broken ref which uses an ω, how would I do that with DMC? Debresser (talk) 05:14, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

You would need to change DMC so that the category calls look like this:
]
Of course this behaviour might not be wanted by all callees, if so it would either need a switch or a fork. A fork is more efficient (probably) but people will likely complain of a "maintenance nightmare" even though this template has only had one substantive edit in 3 years. Season's greetings, Rich Farmbrough, 20:58, 19 December 2013 (UTC).
Is there any reason that code would be problematic in any other cases? I could suggest it on the talkpage. Debresser (talk) 21:18, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
Well it seems basically a Good Thing to me. See the documentation for {{Namespace Greek}}, and note that new namespace needs adding to the template. Season's greetings, Rich Farmbrough, 21:25, 19 December 2013 (UTC).

Deprecated template

In these edits I made the template do what it was supposed to be doing. That is, as I understand the idea of all those parameters based on their functionality and the documentation.

By the way, I reworked the documentation as well.

After all that is done, I am left with the feeling that parameters 4 and 5 should be completely removed in favor of |old= and |new=. That will simplify the coding, and the documentation accordingly. If somebody is smart enough to use 4 parameters (|1=, |2=, |4= and |5=), then he can certainly use 2 (|old= and |new=).

What do you say? Debresser (talk) 09:10, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Hm, well I have sympathy with what you say. I suspect that this construction was not ab initio but based on some perceived need at the time, for example allowing passing of parameters from other templates. However these components could be easily enough re-added if they are required in the future (and are not currently in use).
By the way ise vs ize...
Season's greetings, Rich Farmbrough, 21:09, 19 December 2013 (UTC).
Then I'll try and make some time for this simplification later this week. Why did you remind me of ise vs ize? Debresser (talk) 16:26, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
Here you change the spelling of "categorises". Happy New Year, Rich Farmbrough, 21:32, 30 December 2013 (UTC).
These edits removed the parameters 4 and 5. These edits removed a repetition that I never understood why it was necessary. Debresser (talk) 07:43, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Categorization

I am considering to replace ] by {{#ifeq:{{{old|}}}|{{FULLPAGENAME}}||]}}, to avoid categorization there of non-template pages that are themselves tagged (like Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/OpenNote e.g.). Will that work? Without side-effects?

Also, will it be correct to say |{{#ifeq:{{PAGENAME}}|{{BASEPAGENAME}} in the code excludes not only transclusions on /doc pages, but also /sandbox or /testcases pages? Debresser (talk) 08:26, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

This assumes that {old} is fully qualified.
Yes I believe so.
Happy New Year, Rich Farmbrough, 22:07, 30 December 2013 (UTC).
Done, and works. Thank you. Can you please help with my (hopefully last) question below? Debresser (talk) 23:33, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Track length needed

Template:Track length needed has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. —Justin (koavf)TCM19:34, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Adding a category would be trivial (you can use "what links here" instead). Low usage of a maintenance template is not necessarily a sign of non-utility, it can be a sign of the very opposite - {{Uncategorized}} for example. Season's greetings, Rich Farmbrough, 21:13, 19 December 2013 (UTC).
reposted at TfD —rybec 00:11, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Mary, Princess Royal and Countess of Harewood

Could you please check all the references for "Princess Mary, Countess of Harewood" page and also the page for — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.201.27.142 (talk) 10:18, 18 December 2013 (UTC)


  1. ^ Clear, Royal Children, p. 78
  2. ^ The Times, 29 March 1965
  3. ^ Yvonne's Royalty Home Page — Royal Christenings
  4. ^ Leodis, Leodis - Leeds city Archives UK. "Leeds UK Government". Leodis Archives. Leeds City Council UK Gov. Retrieved 28 May 2013.
  5. ^ "Royal babies 1920-1929". Country Life.
  6. ^ Bradford, Sarah (1989). King George VI. London: Weidenfeld and Nicolson. p. 424. ISBN 0-297-79667-4.
  7. ^ Royal Styles and Titles – 1898 Letters Patent
  8. ^ After the accession of her father, George V, she became the child of a Sovereign, and therefore her title changed to The Princess Mary
  9. ^ Heraldica – British Royal Cadency
  1. Needs more details : Celia Clear (1981). Royal children, 1840-1980: from Queen Victoria to Queen Elizabeth II. Stein and Day. p. 78. ISBN 978-0-8128-2826-9. (if indeed it is the 1981 edition, not the 1984 or other) - in the text it seems odd to say "paternal great-grandmother" without explaining "paternal great-grandmother - Queen Victoria" the first time it is mentioned. (Of course there are two paternal great grandmothers, making the wording even more infelicitous.)
  2. This is not available to me right now, but the Times is considered a paper of record.
  3. This does not look like a reliable source - it seems to be someone's hobby page (which is not to say it isn't well done, and properly researched, it simply doesn't meet Misplaced Pages's preferred standards). It does however list wealth of useful published sources.
  4. Splitting this up into:
    1. http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?resourceIdentifier=201069_170837 and
    2. http://www.leodis.net/display.aspx?resourceIdentifier=20041110_49352664
    would probably be better. Better still to find a source about the subject, rather than about postcards.
  5. Similarly, this supports the fact, but it may not be the best (or most stable) way of doing it.
  6. Can't refer to this book, but it seems a good source on the face of it.
  7. This is a reasonably good citation since it is a straight copy of the document. Again better to refer to the National Archives original, linking to Heraldica if no better on-line repository is available. London Gazette is a good place for things like this.
  8. A citation to support this would be nice. I would format it ... changed to "The Princess Mary"
  9. This supports only the cadency, but suffers like #3 from possibly not qualifying as a WP:RS. There are heraldic directories in most public libraries which might help here.
Season's greetings, Rich Farmbrough, 22:13, 19 December 2013 (UTC).

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Yo Ho Ho

ϢereSpielChequers is wishing you Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Christmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:WereSpielChequers/Dec13}} to your friends' talk pages.

Wikidata weekly summary #89

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Glad Tidings and all that ...

FWiW Bzuk (talk) 23:34, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Question about AWB page

Hi Rich! You created Misplaced Pages:AutoWikiBrowser/Typos/distict back in 2010. Was this a temporary page that can now be deleted, or is there something here that should be retained? Thanks, and Happy Holidays! GoingBatty (talk) 20:25, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Rich! Since you didn't respond, I've requested that the page be deleted per Misplaced Pages:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#G2. If this is incorrect, please remove the tag and let me know. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 22:11, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

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Help needed

There is one case where my new code of Template:Deprecated template doesn't work: if there are a parameter 2 and 3. In that case the template is not linked, as you can see on the documentation page. I tried to fix this, but unsuccessfully. If I comment out the parameter, the link returns. Debresser (talk) 16:28, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Might I ask why you are experimenting in the live template and not in its sandbox? --Redrose64 (talk) 19:53, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
It's a behind-the-scenes template anyway, so I wouldn't worry about that. Happy New Year, Rich Farmbrough, 00:48, 7 January 2014 (UTC).
The reason is that this is the intended behaviour. If we want people to use a piped link, we really need to display the syntax - we assume they understand it, or at least can cut-and-paste it (assuming they are allowed cut-and-paste). Happy New Year, Rich Farmbrough, 00:48, 7 January 2014 (UTC).
But it used to work, and even studying the old and new codes, I don't see why. Can you tell me how to make it work again? Debresser (talk) 11:16, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

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Wikidata weekly summary #91

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A Tesla Roadster for you!

A Tesla Roadster for you!
Thank you for contributing to Misplaced Pages! Gg53000 (talk) 01:32, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

A Tesla Roadster for you!

A Tesla Roadster for you!
Thank you for contributing to Misplaced Pages! Gg53000 (talk) 01:32, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the roadsters! All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 16:30, 13 January 2014 (UTC).

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Wikidata weekly summary #92

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Problem

There seems to be an issue with {{Infobox person}}, see Lauren Booth where it displays as:

 
{{{name}}}
Data 1 	{{{data 1}}}
Data 2 	{{{data 2}}}
Data 3 	{{{data 3}}}
Data 4 	{{{data 4}}}

All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 01:13, 13 January 2014 (UTC).

Purging seems to have fixed? Chris857 (talk) 03:44, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(technical)#Infobox_horseracing_personality_broken may be related. GoingBatty (talk) 04:02, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes, and see WP:STOCKS#Kaldari for the "Just testing" award. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:25, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Good, glad it's fixed. Suspected that it was (as other pages were OK - and also that it was in {{Infobox}} as {{Infobox person}} hadn't been edited for a while) and would have done a null edit, but wasn't sure if I'm allowed to do null edits when blocked. All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 16:30, 13 January 2014 (UTC).

Wikidata weekly summary #93

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Template:OfferHelp listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Template:OfferHelp. Since you had some involvement with the Template:OfferHelp redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Rezonansowy (talkcontribs) 00:37, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

@Rezonansowy: you may not be aware, but Rich Farmbrough is currently blocked and unable to participate in wp:RfDs xOttawahitech (talk) 04:24, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
I am not concerned about this particular RfD which will be a virtual snow keep, and would hardly matter if it passed, but thanks, Rezonansowy, for the notification, and Ottawahitech for the clarification to Rezonansowy of my status. All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 18:19, 23 January 2014 (UTC).

Wikidata weekly summary #94

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Elliott Roosevelt

We say:

"At an alcohol-drenched dinner during the Tehran Conference, Elliott Roosevelt applauded Joseph Stalin's proposal for large-scale executions of German POWs, which earned him Churchill's vocal and lasting hostility but Stalin's cheers."

- and cite this sentence to Stalin: The Court Of The Red Tsar by Simon Sebag Montefiore. In fact, the book does not describe the dinner as 'alcohol drenched' - indeed commenting two pages later that after this "Stalin began to drink again", though it does describe Elliott as "jumping tipsily to his feet".

Nor does it describe Stalin's "cheers" merely a toast - "To your health Elliott."

Moreover "Churchill's vocal and lasting hostility" is also "not in source" though it is certain (from other sources) he is not impressed with Elliot's memoirs.

All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 00:45, 27 January 2014 (UTC).

Category:Deadly Avenger albums

Category:Deadly Avenger albums, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mjs1991 (talk) 22:24, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #95

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Bolognia 2

Template:Bolognia 2 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Magioladitis (talk) 23:09, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

  • This template provided full references to the seminal work on dermatology by the provision of a simple page number.
  • It was created to assist the Dermatology Task Force with a massive updating of the dermatology coverage of Misplaced Pages.
  • "References should not use templates." is simply wrong.
  • "Not used" is also a poor argument, though one we regularly invoke.
  • I would be grateful if someone could userify this template.
    I am looking for help!
    Ask your question below. You can also check Help:Contents and the FAQ, or ask at the Help desk or the Teahouse.
    Users who monitor the category Wikipedians looking for help and those in Misplaced Pages's Live Help have been alerted and will assist you shortly. You can also join the chat room to receive live Misplaced Pages-related help there. You'll be receiving help soon, so don't worry.
    Note to helpers: Once you have offered help, please nullify the template using {{Tl}} or similar, replace with {{Help me-helped}}, or where {{Help me|question}} was used, use {{Tlp}}/{{Tnull}}
All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 17:38, 18 February 2014 (UTC).

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Wikidata weekly summary #96

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Discussions
  • Events/Blogs/Press
    • See the office hours logs at meta
  • Other Noteworthy Stuff
    • See the FOSDEM slides
    • Thiemo joins the Wikidata development team
  • Development
    • More work on badges by Bene*
    • Lots of Lua improvements by hoo (separate announcement with details soon)
    • Created backend Time parsers (yet another necessary step towards doing more in the backend instead of in Java Script in the frontend)
    • Automatic builds created, tested and deployed to beta labs every day!
    • Investigate Elastic Search as possible backend for queries
    • Made Wikibase Query work with our new component structure
  • Monthly Tasks
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Administrative subcategories populated automatically

October 2009 you created the page Category:Misplaced Pages non-empty soft redirected categories, for a subcategory of Misplaced Pages soft redirected categories. Do you know how such a category is established--that is, how its automatic population is arranged? If not, do you know where to go to read about it?

Today at Misplaced Pages talk:Categorization#Container categories, I mentioned the possibility for Category:Misplaced Pages non-empty container categories and observed that I don't know where one should go for assistance. I don't know that we want such an administrative subcategory of Container categories to be established; that would be premature now.

--P64 (talk) 00:17, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) All of the subcategories of Category:Misplaced Pages non-empty soft redirected categories have {{Category redirect}} at the top, and that template contains the following code outside of the {{cmbox}} and {{category other}}:
{{category handler
|all = {{#ifexpr:{{PAGESINCATEGORY:{{PAGENAME}}|R}}
 |]
}}<includeonly>]</includeonly>
|nocat={{{nocat|}}}
}}
Something similar would need to be added to {{Container category}}. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:13, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #97

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  • Discussions
  • Reasonator
  • Did you know?
  • Development
    • Wrote performance tests so we can track performance improvements better
    • Did a code review of all gadgets that are enabled by default in Wikidata. Found and fixed a performance bottleneck.
    • Work on making the interface more responsive, e. g. live preview when editing labels and updating the watchlist star when saving.
    • Started refactoring and fixing issues with automatically created summaries that are, for example, created by bots via API calls.
    • Fixed an issue with OAuth on Wikidata because of permissions
    • Started code review of the code the student team is working on for suggestions
    • Discussed updates to the data model document to be able to update it to the actual implementation
    • Did a technical debt analysis and design review of Wikibase.git, with initial focus on WikibaseLib
    • Got (backend) EntityStore on the way, so we can test API modules without touching the database
    • Further work on TimeParsers move to the backend
  • Monthly Tasks
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