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February 15

Disclosed email as source

Email conversations are of low quality, unless they are disclosed by someone like Snowden. But here is my case. An organization responded to my questions by email. This information is no where else published. Am I allowed to add that information to Misplaced Pages if I disclose the content of the email conversation? It is for a low priority article. Timelezz (talk) 02:04, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, but no. An e-mail isn't a published source, making it impossible to verify. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:08, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

When I publish it on a webpage? Timelezz (talk) 02:47, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Then it would be an email on your blog, and blogs are not reliable sources. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:53, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

See WP:SPS. Dismas| 03:25, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

You would have to get a magazine or the like with decent editorial control to publish an article that quotes the email, or get the organization to publish it on their web site, before it would be even arguable as a source here. Not likely i fear. DES 06:08, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

We run a Wordpress website for which I was planning to write a response to the email, and publish the email. I guess that will do. Timelezz (talk) 11:12, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

But can you tell me why information without a source is not deleted, but information with a low quality source is? It boggles my mind. It seems not logical to me. Timelezz (talk) 11:12, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

With millions of articles, it's hard to give one simple all-encompassing answer. It depends a lot on the particular fact, who's paying attention, how much attention they're paying, how well are the watchers of the article following rules regarding sources, etc. Dismas| 13:35, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. That makes sense. In this case I've come to an agreement that we add the source with a template that signifies that these kinds of sources are potentially unreliable. I think that is very reasonable, since the email response looks legitimate from an objective perspective. Timelezz (talk) 14:03, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

You can't "come to an agreement" to violate site policy. I removed the citaiton to the unpublished email, and Timelezz reverted my removal, See Talk:Marius (giraffe)#disclosed email as source. More eyes are wanted here, please. DES 18:11, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Besides, stuff from the subject of an article is inherently reliable; see WP:SPS. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:19, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

But the subject didn't "publish" this, they sent an email. That is not publication. DES 19:23, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Citation

How can I give reference in my local language, eg: I'm doing an entry about Jacques Lacan in Malayalam, And I'm not able to give the reference..could you please help me?? This is the link to that page https://ml.wikipedia.org/%E0%B4%B7%E0%B4%BE%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%95%E0%B5%8D_%E0%B4%B2%E0%B4%95%E0%B4%BE%E0%B5%BB — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angeljoy.c (talk • contribs) 03:02, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

The article you link is on the Malayalam Misplaced Pages - you'd do better to ask for help there, I'd think. AndyTheGrump (talk)

Spam whitelist

Hi. I made a request over at the spam whitelist page about a month ago and it still hasn't had any progress made on it. Does it normally take this long?!?!? Survivorfan1995 (talk) 06:24, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Annoying scrollbar

I've recently (it started yesterday or the day before I'm pretty sure.. definitely within the last week) had my pages start randomly requiring a horizontal scroll bar. This happens on every page, and there are no <pre></pre> tags anywhere causing the content to run over the side of the page. I've checked on both my accounts (I also operate User:NationalRegisterBot), and the problem is there for both. Resizing the window or even the size of the text on a page has no effect; it seems the page always extends beyond the edge of the window some set number of pixels. This only happens on Misplaced Pages. I'm running OS X Leopard, so my Firefox is out of date, but like I said this was not happening as recently as a few days ago. I don't get the scrollbars in Safari or Chrome. Here's a screenshot. Anyone have any ideas?--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 07:40, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Recently, editors have been complaining about odd effects due to various beta features. Do you have any of these turned on? You can check by clicking on the "Beta" link up near your watchlist link. Also, this might get a better answer from a more techie person over at WP:VPT. Dismas| 13:32, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I do have some betas enabled, but like I said, it happens on more than one account and only in one browser. I'll ask at VPT.--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 18:03, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

PDF File downloads

I have just started using the PDF downloads, because I often need just short bits out of articles at scattered places throughout the article. This is all for personal use, not republication. I, however, always say this is derived fro Misplaced Pages material, just shortened. So I am playing by the rules.

My problem is that when I download a PDF, the linkages seem to create huge delays and can make the text hard to manage once I get it down on my computer and am using my word processing software to do these extracts. Is there any way to remove the linkages prior to downloading the PDF?

In case you are interested, we are using this material to enhance a very nice stamp collection, especially the foreign stamps, since most Americans are geographically illiterate.

Lee Taylor (M Lee T41) — Preceding unsigned comment added by M Lee T41 (talk • contribs) 09:24, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't understand your question (and as no-one else has answered it, maybe others don't either). Once you have downloaded a pdf from Misplaced Pages onto your computer, you can do what you like with it, with some restrictions about what you must do if you publish any of it. You can read it with various software, copy from it, and edit it. But what are the "linkages" you refer to? Are they inside the pdf that you now have on your computer? If they are, they are part of the pdf, and not under Misplaced Pages's control. If they are not in the pdf, how can they cause delays when you to try to extract things from it? Maproom (talk) 13:04, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Edited Wiki articles

Please can you tell me how to look up earlier versions of Wiki articles before edits have been made to them. I do not know whether these earlier versions are archived. P123cat1 (talk) 10:30, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

You can click on the "History" tab at the top of the page. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:37, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

And then click on the time and date link of whatever version you wish to see.--Shantavira| 12:19, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

... or did I misunderstand your question? Were you asking about the edit history of articles that have been deleted? if so, only an admin can see those. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:46, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

To David Biddulph: No, you didn't misunderstand my question, and thanks, I have found what I was after. Am impressed by the prompt reply. This concerns my first foray into editing on Wiki and there is an awful lot to wade through and get accustomed to on the editing/help part of the Wiki site, but can't think why I didn't do the obvious and click on "History" as you suggested - I think it was case of not being able to see the wood for the trees! Many thanks. P123cat1 (talk) 12:47, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Searching Georgia Breweries

In searching Georgia breweries, I was surprised you had not listed Jekyll Brewing in Alpharetta Georgia. They were recently awarded Best New Brewery by Rate Beer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.226.134.109 (talk) 12:21, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

I think the article List of breweries in Georgia (U.S. state) is intended as a list of Georgia Breweries that are notable enough, in Misplaced Pages's sense, that there is an article here about them. There is currently no article here about Jekyll Brewing. If someone creates an article about Jekyll Brewing (to do this they will have to establish that it is indeed notable), then I am sure it will be added to the list. Maproom (talk) 12:57, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Changing Username

CAn anyone please tell me how to edit my username — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flaming Blaze (talk • contribs) 12:58, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

The process for changing username is at Misplaced Pages:Changing username. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:03, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Cats (musical) - last edit does not show

Despite being an experienced editor, I am baffled by this. The last edit on this page is Cluebot reverting vandalism, but the version showing is the previous one. Mezigue (talk) 13:13, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

174.102.111.166 made an edit, then 76.95.108.103 posted "Cats are so cool but dogs are better" and then ClueBot NG reverted to version by 174.102.111.166 to remove "Cats are so cool but dogs are better". The version by 174.102.111.166 does not include "Cats are so cool but dogs are better", yet the phrase "Cats are so cool but dogs are better" still is in the article lead. Also, when you look at the Clubot removal diff, it says it removed "Cats are so cool but dogs are better", the diff edit shows "Cats are so cool but dogs are better" being removed, but the article below the diff show the phrase still in the article text. -- Jreferee (talk) 13:28, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

I've done a purge, and that has cured it. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:38, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

User boxes

Can someone display my user boxes in columns filling in across at the bottom of my User Page. Thanks. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:33, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Do you mean like how I have mine? If so, you can just copy my code... which I probably copied from someone else. Dismas| 14:09, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:42, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

How do I know that my article has been submitted for review?

It is not clear on my page that my article has been submitted? How do I know that it has submitted and how will I know if it is accepted? HSLitwin (talk) 14:01, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

OP seems to be referring to User:HSLitwin/sandbox. I'm not familiar with the nuts and bolts of the creation and review process, so I'll leave that for someone else to answer. I just thought it would be helpful to have a link to the article. Dismas| 14:06, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

In the box at the top of User:HSLitwin/sandbox is a sentence that says "If you are writing an article, and are ready to request its creation, click here." & the words "click here" are in blue to show that it is a wikilink, so do as it says. You'll then get a box that tells you it's been submitted. The page should be on your watchlist so you'll see when someone responds, & usually a reviewer would also put a message on your user talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:10, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

I see that you've done it and that it's already been reviewed, so you need to read the links provided. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:13, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Color for the new season page

I have always wondered why the background color on a season is what it is. Like one season of a television show has the color red, while the next season has tha color yellow. Who decide which color to use on each of the pages of the seasons? And how do you know which color you will use? Do some just pick a color for the season page and everyone agrees, or do you have a discussion about it? The reason I am asking this is because I picked out a color for Pretty Little Liars season 5 on the list of episodes, but I am not aware if this color (pink) is in any context with the new season. Please answer me and help me get the full picture about this. Twotimer17 (talk) 15:04, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

I dont see any guidance on the Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Television page. I would suggest going to the project talk page to see if there is any standard. Whatever you do, make sure that you follow Misplaced Pages:ACCESS#Color. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:43, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

help

I need to know where I can go for help. a man said last night to contact my congressman so here goes.. back in 97 I went to school and took out a loan to do so . I never paid it back so they were taking my income tax returns.. theyre still taking them to this date.. I was a single mother with a mortgage back then .. two years returns would have been sufficient.. now the school want 11k more and im still not getting my returns.. please tell me how I should resolve this problem.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.39.97.66 (talk) 15:34, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

This is the help desk for how to use Misplaced Pages. You won't reach a congressman by writing here. Maproom (talk) 16:05, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Nor can we give legal advice, even at the reference desk, and I don't think we should give financial advice either. Ther might be some useful information at Student loans in the United States. DES 16:19, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

As a rule, the Misplaced Pages article for a member of the U.S. House of Representatives will include a link to his or her official Congress page under "External links" (near the bottom). If you go to the Misplaced Pages article for your representative and click on that link, you should find a "Contact me" or similar link on the official page that you can use to e-mail the person regarding your problem. Deor (talk) 19:26, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Linking Swedish article to English Sköna Helena

I created an article on the 1951 Swedish film Sköna Helena, but the automated linking is not working, and I have just failed to link it manually. Any thoughts? Many thanks. Cg2p0B0u8m (talk) 17:22, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Inter-language connections are handled through WP:WIKIDATA. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:36, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean by "the automated linking is not working". Maybe you expect a feature we don't have. Do you see "Add links" under "Languages" to the left of Sköna Helena? If so, click that, select sv as language and "Sköna Helena (film, 1951)" as page. That should make the Wikidata entry for a link to sv:Sköna Helena (film, 1951). If it doesn't work then please be more specific about the problem, and tell us your browser. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:19, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

I think I've fixed it 88.104.19.233 (talk) 20:15, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for resolving it; I thought that as we are not supposed to manually add a link to another language version of the same article any more, it was done automatically, but when I tried to do it myself I got a session time-out message after about 2-3 seconds. Odd. Cg2p0B0u8m (talk) 20:39, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Have both genders for template

Is there a way to change this template to include Chaiwoman and not just Chairman. A little sexist no? Or even better, eliminate gender altogether an change to Chairperson? {{Infobox American political party}} I don't know how to change it or I would Thanks for the help :) Madiesmith (talk) 19:44, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Making the change to "Chairperson" or just "Chair" is technically simple. But the template is widely used, so i have posted at Template talk:Infobox American political party#Chairman to see if anyone has any views before making any change. You may want to comment there also. To get the template to automatically detect the gender and use a gendered form would be significantly more work for, in my view, little gain. DES 20:20, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

It seems that such a change was proposed back in 2008, but not acted on. DES 20:42, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Template:Airport codes

Does anybody know what the required code would be for {{Airport codes}} so that the bolding could be optional. It already uses p=n to suppress the parentheses so something like b=n would be good. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 20:23, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

One way is to replace '''{{{1}}}''' by {{#ifeq:{{{b}}}|n|{{{1}}}|'''{{{1}}}'''}}, and so on. Many templates only test whether a parameter is non-blank and not what value it has. That would be {{#if:{{{b|}}}|{{{1}}}|'''{{{1}}}'''}}. By the way, you can use string functions to manipulate the output of a template without editing the template itself. For example, {{replace|{{Airport codes|AAA|BBBB|CCC}}|'''|}} produces (IATA: AAA, ICAO: BBBB, FAA LID: CCC). For this template it sounds useful in many articles so adding a template option would be better. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:01, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll use the first example later to fix the template. It's used in almost all airport articles as part of the first sentence, where I'm not sure that there is consensus to have the bolding, Template talk:Airport codes#Airport codes in boldface, or not. It's also in hospitals, Royal Victoria Regional Health Centre, which is why the p=n option and the bolding needs to be turned off. There is some use in the body of articles, Whistler, British Columbia#Transportation, which is another place that the bolding is not required. Thanks again. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 17:10, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

• CambridgeBayWeather, perhaps the better idea is to see if there is a consensus to have the bolding there at all in the template. If it was removed completely from the template, there is nothing to stop people from using single quotes to force the bolding in cases where desired like {{Airport codes|'''AAA'''|'''BBBB'''|'''CCC'''}}. I think this is the best option because it keeps the template's code to a minimal to reduce the expansion size and doesn't prevent people from having the bolding if they want it. — {{U|Technical 13}} 17:56, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Hadn't thought about that. I've started a RfC at Template talk:Airport codes#RfC: Should the codes be in bold by default?. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 21:01, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Is there a way to change the font in Vector skin?

In my preferences I use Vector skin. I have a custom CSS. Is there a way to change the default font which Vector skin uses to Courier New rather than what it is by default? By adding a line in my CSS or I don't know. Please explain in intelligible terms and please ping me user:Basemetal. Thanks. Contact Basemetal here 22:08, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Basemetal. You could add the code

* {
    font-family: Courier New;
}

This will make all text display in Courier New. --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 00:12, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

@Anon126: It worked. Beautiful. I added your code to User:Basemetal/vector.css and now everything is in Courier New. And if I want to change the size, what do I do? And also: where can I get a list of all available fonts? Contact Basemetal here 00:31, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Your browser can probably display a list of available fonts. font-family: X; passes X to your browser, whatever X is. If X isn't recognized by your browser then it probably uses its default font instead. Vector doesn't set a default font. It tells your browser to use its default font. If you also prefer Courier New at other sites which don't set their own font then you can probably change your browser default.

The Google search css font size gives http://www.w3schools.com/cssref/pr_font_font-size.asp as the first result. Here is one way to set font size:

p {font-size:15px}

Misplaced Pages simply passes your custom CSS to your browser so just search on CSS if you want to change other things. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:02, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: How do you change the default font in the browser. I use Chrome. Thanks. Contact Basemetal here 02:26, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

I strongly recommend you learn to use a search engine. They are very useful. Go to http://google.com. Enter for example change the default font in Chrome in the box, or just default font Chrome. The first result for me is https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95416?hl=en which should do the trick. It was also the first or second result in all other searches I tried. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:41, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

February 16

Did the search change

I think the search function change. If I type John Smith in the search bar it no longer brings me directly to the article. Instead it gives me the search page and I have to click on it there. Why? Beerest 2 Talk page 03:42, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

If you mean you type ] including the square brackets then I don't know whether it ever went directly to the article. If you only type John Smith then it works for me. What is the url of the search page you land on? What is your browser? Does it work to click the search icon instead of pressing enter? Does it work to log out? Does https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?search=John+Smith&title=Special%3ASearch work? Below the search box I see "containing..." when I type. If that is activated then it adds &fulltext=1 to the url and goes to a search page https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?search=John+Smith&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1 instead of the article. Is that what happens? PrimeHunter (talk) 04:01, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Editing a transcluded table

Hello. I'm trying to update a table in the Pokémon (anime) article, but I can't, since it's transcluded and I am unable to find the original. Is there any way to figure out the location of a transcluded table?

It's the Pokémon season summary table under the Media: TV series subheading. AmericanLemming (talk) 08:03, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes. If you edit that section it ends with {{Pokémon season summary}}, hence it tells you that the summary table is at Template:Pokémon season summary. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:59, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out to me! I knew it would be something painfully simple like that... :) AmericanLemming (talk) 09:15, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

If you edit a whole page or preview a section then the bottom of the window has a list with links to transcluded pages (you have to make a click to expand the list). PrimeHunter (talk) 13:22, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

How to contribute article?

Hi, I am a new user, can anyone tell me, how to contribute an article to wikipedia, and can I create a page of my current company in wikipedia? what all information is needed to upload information about my company. I understand i cannot promote, but what all information is needed for my company page to be in wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Debaditya Biswas (talk • contribs) 09:00, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Debaditya, and welcome to Misplaced Pages. It can be difficult to create an article in Misplaced Pages, so well done for asking here first. I would suggest you actually work on improving some existing articles first, to get familiar with how to edit and how to reference; but that's up to you. In any case, I advise you to read Your first article, which will help get you started. As for writing an article about your company: you are discouraged from doing so, but not forbidden: start by reading about conflict of interest. If you do decide to go ahead I advise you to:

• Make sure that the company is notable (in Misplaced Pages's special sense)
• Collect the multiple references from reliable published sources, independent of the company that are required to establish notability
• Disclose your conflict of interest on your User page
• Use the Articles for creation process.
• Look at featured articles about similar companies to get an idea about how best to structure the article.

Good luck! -ColinFine (talk) 12:10, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Raja Raja Chola I

The page Raja Raja Chola I was violated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.75.131.43 (talk) 11:14, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting this, the issue was actually at Template:Chola history, which was transcluded to that page, and assumedly others. Samwalton9 (talk) 11:24, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

kulothunga Chola I

the page kulothunga chola I was violated — Preceding unsigned comment added by Master12345slime (talk • contribs) 11:27, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

See previous section, same issue. Samwalton9 (talk) 11:29, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Biography (scientist)

Alberto J. Solari (1934). Born in Buenos Aires, Argentina, graduated as Doctor in Medical Sciences from the University of Buenos Aires (1960). He was Visting Scientist in the University of California (Berkeley,USA) with Professor Daniel Mazia (1964), in Duke University with Professor M.J.Moses, (1972), in the University of Toronto (1977), with Professor Irving Fritz, in Ohio State University (1988) with Professor N.S. Fechheimer, and in the University of Sydney (Australia) (1991) with Professor C.B. Gillies. Presently he is Professor Emeritus, of the University of Buenos Aires Medical School and Senior Scientist of CONICET (Argentina). He authored over 100 scientific papers on Cytogenetics, Human Genetics of Reproduction, Cell Biology and Biology of Protists, and books on Sex Chromosomes in Vertebrates (CRC Press, 1993) and Genética Humana (Editorial Panamericana, 2011). He is member of several Scientific Societies and winner of the National Prize of Sciences (Argentina).201.231.143.246 (talk) 17:38, 16 February 2014 (UTC) ref></ref> Google Academic.

This isn't the place to start an article; did you have a question on how to edit Misplaced Pages? If you want to start an article, please read WP:Your first article, and then (if you have enough reliable sources to demonstrate that the subject is notable in Misplaced Pages terms) go on to WP:AFC. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:52, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

When my write-up be fixed?

Dear Wiki, I know I am getting impatient but I invested energy in drafting my submitted bio/write-up . I tried to give max meet the requirement and followed each and every instruction. Now why getting late? Please don't disappoint me. Looking forward to hear from you and that my write-up go online.--Whitepearl1 (talk) 19:23, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

After earlier submissions were declined, you submitted the latest attempt of Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Malik Muhammad Jahangir only yesterday. As it says in the box on the page:

"This may take more than 3 weeks. The Articles for creation process is very highly backlogged. Please be patient. There are 1982 submissions waiting for review."

--David Biddulph (talk) 19:31, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I assume you are referring to Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Malik Muhammad Jahangir?
I note that "Malik Muhammad Jahangir is Executive Director of White Pearl Group of Companies" so it would appear that your user-name is in contravention of our user name policy
There are comments like "He has proved his skills is not the best text for the lead" which you seem to have ignored. I would also add that "receiving award and Gold Medal upon his marvelous and exceptional achievements" is unlikely to go down well. You should also remove the flags from the infobox.
As for when it will be reviewed, it appears that your AFC submission was made yesterday at 18.50 - the box clearly says "This may take more than 3 weeks" but you have waited about 24.5 hours before expressing annoyance at the delay. Arjayay (talk) 19:47, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Whitepearl1: soon after the article was last rejected, you inserted the phrase "proved his skills", making it more promotional and less encyclopedic. Here's some advice: if your article is rejected, and you then make it less acceptable, it's very likely to be rejected again. Maproom (talk) 20:39, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks all David Biddulph Arjayay Maproom. I didnt know how to resubmit. I fixed all comments two-three weeks back but found the tab of re-submission yesterday. The write-up reviewed by couple of people already. So far name is concerned I told in past that I losted my ID so I found word whitepearl easy to remember. Please understand.I am not annoyed at all but actually since December I am working on it thats why getting impatient. As soon as it is fixed then want to go for another write-up.Hope you guys getting why I am impatient...... when ones' write so wanna have fruit or reward in form on publication...sigh--kindly suggest how to change username if there is possibility. I losted past account as told you.Whitepearl1 (talk) 20:56, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

You can improve your draft while you wait for it to be reviewed, and thus increase the chance of it being accepted. If you want to change your username, the process is at WP:Changing username. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:01, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

How to include new secondary sources in article

Re: Larry Bourne (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I have now researched and found many secondary sources, however, I don't quite understand how to include them in the article. For example, newspaper articles where Larry Bourne is quoted as an expert; scholarly peer-reviewed journal articles; inclusion in Canadian Geography: A Scholarly Bibliography By Thomas A. Rumney; and many more. - shall I simply created a new section in which to list these other sources?

Thanks for your advice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vivre101 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Notice that the "References" section already has references. You should follow the same style for adding further references. See the introduction to referencing for a quick tutorial, or referencing for beginners for more detailed information.

The article should include an explanation of why he is notable, with references. At present it reads like a CV/resumé, with no evidence of why he is notable enough to warrant an article. A long list of publications is not enough. Maproom (talk) 23:55, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Saying "He wrote THIS"<ref>ref-of-what-he-wrote<ref> does not help.

Saying "He wrote THIS<ref>ref-of-newspaper/book-writing-a-review</ref> does help.

And I hope this helps too. 88.104.19.233 (talk) 01:57, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Request Edit

Victpr Aiyewa age on his profile is incorrect. The NFL has made changes to his profile and please do the same on your site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.213.188.237 (talk) 22:01, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Already done. See Talk:Victor Aiyewa#Request Edit. --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 22:36, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

February 17

Assessmemt

How can I edit the grade of an article ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dadaszehon (talk • contribs) 13:39, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Type 97 Chi-Ha

Reference help requested. I need help citing my source. Misplaced Pages tells me that my source has not been defined.

Thanks,

Shinhoto Thanks, Shinhoto (talk) 00:56, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

@Shinhoto: You saved <ref name="Akira Takizawa"/>. This requires a reference with that name to be defined elsewhere on the page with <ref name="Akira Takizawa">definition here</ref>. But the ref name system is only for references used more than once on the same page. Where is your source and do you want to use it more than once? It is not enough to state the author of a source. You must give a url, book or something else to identify it. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:19, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Prime Hunter, I attempted to enter his websites url in the proper section but it gives me the above mentioned error message. I only used his info to correct one thing but it is mentioned twice on the page so I don't know if it qualifies for the ref name system

Thanks,

Shinhoto (talk) 02:34, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

@Shinhoto: What is the url you used as source to change the numbers in Special:Diff/595749550? I don't see the numbers at http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:20, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Inaccurate/Inappropriate Information

Hello, I would like to report the Personal Life Section of the article Dorothy Celeste Boulding Ferebee is TOTALLY and COMPLETELY WRONG and inappropriate. As a member of the sorority she was president of I can recognize this but don't feel qualified to correct it. If someone could please remove that section I am sure that all of my sorority sisters would be deeply grateful.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:B275:AB10:310B:4BD6:C10:716 (talk) 02:25, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

 Done Good catch, some user apparently vandalized the page (it had been edited from a proper summary of their personal life to that). So I've reverted the edit. Thanks! Hichris123 (talk) 02:46, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Butler County, Ohio

Reference help requested.

Thanks, Marqqq (talk) 02:39, 17 February 2014 (UTC)Need to replace citation needed with New York Times 1855

@Marqqq: The error message could be avoided by replacing <ref>New York Times<ref></ref></ref> with the correct syntax <ref>New York Times</ref>. But "New York Times" or "New York Times 1855" isn't a sufficent citation for our policies. We need a url or precise date and article title so others can look it up if they want. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:29, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Stock correlation networks

I believe there was a page called 'Stock correlation networks' which has now gone. I do not know why or by whom it was deleted. My request for help to find out why it was deleted and by whom so I can perhaps ask for reinstatement if it turns out that the page held valuable information on the topic, was the only page covering the topic, and should not have been removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.173.94.21 (talk) 05:04, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Is Stock correlation network what you are looking for? That is not deleted (at least at the time of this posting). The plural form currently doesn't redirect to the singular, but perhaps it should. --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 05:47, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Stock correlation network needs some work to turn it into a useful article. Maybe it's about something; but the large number of redlinks and undefined terms makes it hard to find out what. Maproom (talk) 08:25, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Stock correlation networks was deleted 1 minute after creation in April 2011. The only content was the word "Definition". The same editor later created Stock correlation network. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:03, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Redirect now created at Stock correlation networks.--ukexpat (talk) 14:48, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Help, you keep deleting my photo that I have the right to post

Can Someone please help. The whole structure of setting up wikipedia and adding photos is SO user UNfriendly for the average joe like me. My photo is getting deleted and i'm not sure why. I read the history, and some dude is saying that I was asked to provide copyright, yet no one ever contacted me, and then he made an assumption that it wasn't my material by deleting it. What can I do to get my photo back up. I am a professional actor the photos are mine to use, and this website is so confusing to a non-techie like me. please help, please help please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erdysart (talk • contribs) 05:32, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello. I'm sorry you've had such a negative experience. Yes, Misplaced Pages can be hard to navigate at times. I'll do the best I can to help.

If you own the copyright, there is a process by which you can allow it on Misplaced Pages, called donating copyrighted materials. In short, "donating" materials to Misplaced Pages means you are releasing them under a "free license" (one that allows anyone to use them with few restrictions). (To get an idea of what free licenses are, take two examples: the Creative Commons Attribution and Attribution-NonCommercial licenses.)

If you do not wish to release your materials under a free license, you can still upload it to Misplaced Pages, but you must provide a reason for fair use according to the non-free content policy.

If you need further help on this matter, feel free to reply below. --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 06:01, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Erdysart, have you looked at your talk page? Several editors have explained there why the photo you uploaded has been deleted. Maproom (talk) 08:29, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

bad programing

if you think we want to watch shelby in the swamp we don't — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.189.242.200 (talk) 05:42, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Say again? --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 06:03, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Be very glad it's not "Froofie the Dog" Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:10, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.9 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Misplaced Pages, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Misplaced Pages itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. - Purplewowies (talk) 07:16, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't watch The Legend of Shelby the Swamp Man either. --  Gadget850 00:32, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

hike

my hike is not working properl — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.222.252.138 (talk) 13:53, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Can you clarify the problem, including the meaning of hike? If your post is not about Misplaced Pages then:

Have you tried Misplaced Pages's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Misplaced Pages, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.Template:Z37 PrimeHunter (talk) 14:07, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Also, please remember to sign your posts with 4 tildes. (~) Thanks! Yoshi24517 _Absent 17:17, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Edit Page Information

Hello there, I would like to edit some information online about our company. We went through some financial troubles and had some disgruntled employees submitting information to Misplaced Pages. The company is BlueWare in Melbourne, Florida. All the bid rigging information are accusations and has not yet gone to court. They are innocent until proven guilty and this information needs to be removed until the case has been finalized this summer. Please remove the entire Bid Rigging Scandal section.

Also, some other details are outdated that I would like edited. There are not 4000 employees, there is 30. Also the website address should be www.bluewaregroup.com. If you need any additional details about the company, here is another source: http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=10495132

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.112.177.194 (talk) 14:57, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

There do seem to be some sourcing and WP:BLP isuses with BlueWare. Can you supply any additional sources, either here or better on Talk:BlueWare. Note as a company employee or affiliate, you are subject to our conflict of interest guideline. You should not normally edit the page directly, but should post suggestions on Talk:BlueWare with suggested sources. Independent sources are best when possible. You can use {{Request edit}} on the talk page to ask someone to review and apply your suggestions. DES 15:57, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Oh and when making edit suggestions, please be careful to declare your conflict of interest, the way in which you are associated with the company. DES 15:59, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

I have removed the section for now as most of it needs to be completely re-sourced so it doesn't rely on legal documents hosted on scribd. --NeilN 16:34, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Dental implant

The above article has been nominated for good article status for about 2 months with no takers... Persons without dental knowledge are very welcome to give feedback to ensure the article is useful to a general encyclopedic audience. Many thanks, Lesion (talk) 17:11, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Talk to WP:WikiProject Medicine, you'll probably find interested editors there. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:26, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

It has been posted there in the past, one can conclude that there is no interest for this topic currently. Besides, it is more useful to get general editors without any particular medical/dental knowledge imo. Lesion (talk) 17:33, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

All my edits from February 12th are gone!

Help me please :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.219.199.34 (talk) 17:44, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

A bot (an automated process) reverted your edits to Ekso Bionics with this edit. Its explanation reads "Reverting link addition(s) by 12.219.199.34 to revision 564231540 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HISkNqf-m58 )". Links to youtube are generally not acceptable in Misplaced Pages, it is considered not to be a reliable source. Also, it is not Misplaced Pages practice to insert external links directly into an article. (It might also have objected to your insertion of ™ symbols, this is also against Misplaced Pages policy.) Maproom (talk) 18:33, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Your edit was reverted by a "bot" (automated program), apparently because it contained a link to YouTube. Links to YouTube are allowed, but present various complicated issues and are best used judiciously. The internal workings of these "bots" are opaque, but it picked up something that made it go "tilt" and it reverted your edits on that basis.

Beyond that, constructions such as "Ekso is forging a new frontier in rehabilitation" and so forth are not encyclopedic. So don't do that.

If you are associated with Ekso Bionics, what you should do is:

1. Register an account -- it's easy and free. You can use any name, but you will be better received you use a name that indicates your relationship, such as "JoeAtEksoBionics" or something like that. (Do not use a name that implies that account is run by a group (such as "EksoBionics" or "EksoMarketing"); only individuals are allowed to have and control accounts.)
2. Indicate your relationship to Ekso Bionics on your user page (a single sentence is sufficient).
3. Make suggestions on improvements to the article on the article's talk page. Do not directly edit the article yourself.

If you have any questions about what the terms "talk page" and "user page" mean, poke around a bit or ask here. Also, don't use videos as references, as a rule.

Ekso products do look way cool, and your contributions to the "key personnel" section and update on their corporate status is most welcome, but please try to contain your enthusiasm and restrain yourself on the adjectives. "designed for the needs of busy therapists" for instance, is not necessary. Lots of people are busy. Unless your source shows that that the product was deliberately designed to not help therapists who aren't busy, I'd avoid constructions like that. "as little as five minutes" means "five minutes or longer" so you should say that. And so on.

For further assistance, try contacting Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Cooperation. HTH, Herostratus (talk) 18:47, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Comer, GA, USA Mayor and Coincil

Please note that the mayor and council of Comer, Georgia needs to be updated. Mayor: Jody L. Blackmon. Council: Estelle Brett, Laquita Bridges, Michael Poole, And Jimmy Yarbrough. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.251.104.164 (talk) 18:40, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

 Not done It appears that The city of Comer website is nearly as out of date as our article - as it currently lists "Elected Officials" whose terms expired on December 31, 2013. If you can cite an up to date reliable source the names can be added to the article - but there is nothing stopping you doing that yourself. Arjayay (talk) 19:26, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Flickr Photos

Is a photo with this licence (CC BY-SA 2.0) okay to upload to wiki commons and use on Misplaced Pages? And what about the attribution? Timelezz (talk) 18:45, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that is considered a "free license" and therefore allowed on commons. Attribution can be provided in the upload process on Wikimedia Commons. (Just give the original URL.) Anon126 (talk - contribs) 19:16, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Kind regards, Timelezz (talk) 19:48, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

db-g13 eligibility

Dear editors: If an Afc submission has not been edited for six months except to remove text copied from a press release (as this one Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/The Logic Group), is it eligible to be deleted under db-g13 as a stale draft? —Anne Delong (talk) 20:09, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

I think it would be fine. Just paste the db-g13 code and an admin will come along and delete it. Yoshi24517 _Absent 20:16, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

• That removal is what is considered a "maintenance edit" which does not affect the timer for the G13 eligibility. You may add manually tag for {{Db-g13}}. In the case that you linked above, I have, however, removed the Db-g13 tag and submitted for review, as I think there may be enough RS to save that one. — {{U|Technical 13}} 23:35, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Well, Technical 13, I hope that you are planning to do a total rewrite and add several more sources before someone declines it. Before posting here I asked for advice at Wikiproject Business, and received this opinion: Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Business#Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/The Logic Group. —Anne Delong (talk) 00:21, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

High Sheriff of Merseyside

HI there - you list the High Sheriff in 1982-1983 as being Lt Col Derek Isaac Keys, CBE, TD. In fact it was Lt Col Derek Isaac Heys, CBE, TD who was my great uncle (maternal grandfather's twin brother).

Can you correct this in your listing?

Thanks!

Simon Medland — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.144.203 (talk) 22:41, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

 Done - The cited source confirms your correction; thanks for noticing! ~:71.20.250.51 (talk) 23:24, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Image up-loads

Hi. In trying to correct an entry, I managed to totally mess it up. The entry relates to an architect, Alexander Jackson Davis (https://en.wikipedia.org/Alexander_Jackson_Davis), and the image that had been posted near the top of the entry was of a building that he did not design. (Someone had posted an image of Federal Hall in NYC, which was built in 1700; Davis lived in the 19th century. I think the confusion arose because he did design a Customs House, which was sometimes known as "Federal Hall". However, the existing Customs House in NYC was designed by Cass Gilbert; the old Customs House must have been demolished.)

In any event, I was trying to upload an image of Lyndhurst, which Davis did design, but in the process I completely messed up the entry.

Help!!!23captbangs (talk) 23:36, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

 Done Note: you can easily "undo" any mistake; simply use 'View history' tab (on top) and select the 'undo' for your entry -- be sure to include a reason in the edit summary. ~:71.20.250.51 (talk) 23:44, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

February 18

Photographing an object at the British Museum and uploading it

If I take a picture of an object or objects in the British Museum-that are on display for public consumption-can I upload it for use on Misplaced Pages? I had this lovely piece in mind , as the current Treasury of Atreus article makes me very sad in how badly it is lacking. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | 18 Adar I 5774 00:19, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

A picture you take yourself of an item that is out of copyright and release under a free use license is a great contribution! Images of recently created works may have copyright issues, but that looks like it is an ancient carving. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 01:28, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Over 3.000 years. I think even the beautiful site sketches of it are in the public domain if I can find a way to put them up. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | 18 Adar I 5774 01:33, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Shirley Temple listed in Recent Deaths on Main Page

Where do I look to find out what days Shirley Temple was listed at Recent Deaths (in the In The News section) on the Main Page? Thanks. --71.178.50.222 (talk) 00:33, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

It was added on 11 February and removed on 16 February.~HueSatLum 01:17, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

You swapped the diffs. I have fixed your post. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:21, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks, HueSatLum (and PrimeHunter). (Template:In the news:View history). --71.178.50.222 (talk) 03:10, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Correction to my biography

Good Evening,

I am General Paul David Manson, the subject of a Misplaced Pages biography. I have just made a few minor changes to the article, but I was unable to correct an error in the title of the article, which refers to me as "Lieutenant-General Paul David Manson". In fact, my correct rank is General. (I was promoted to that rank in 1986.) Incidentally, the body of the article uses the correct rank designation. Would you kindly make the necessary change in the title section of my bio.

Thanks,

Paul Manson General (Ret'd) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.26.41 (talk) 01:43, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

 Done Note: the page title is Paul David Manson (no rank in title). I changed rank in lead; there is no for that section, but the lead can be edited by using 'Edit' tab (on top). ~E:71.20.250.51 (talk) 02:03, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello, General Manson. Please be aware that Misplaced Pages strongly discourages people from editing articles about themselves, their families, friends, companies etc: see conflict of interest for the reasons. This is particularly an issue in this case, where the text you added seems to be intended to exonerate you. I am not suggesting at all that this addition is inappropriate, only that you are not an appropriate person to have added it. Assuming that the source corroborates it (which is a problem, because the cited reference seems to have rotted, and I have been unable to find it on the Wayback machine), then the text itself is fine. But if you are tempted to make any other edits to that article, please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY first. --ColinFine (talk) 14:42, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Article by Dass Sheji

I have created my article and I need to know how to submit the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dass Sheji (talk • contribs) 02:31, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Your first article and Misplaced Pages:Articles for creation. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:43, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

User:Citation bot broken for several days.

See User talk:Citation bot#Discussion 21. Is anybody working on this?-- Brainy J ~✿~ (talk) 04:22, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

INDIAN ORIENTALIST FROM KOLKATA (INDIA)

please do include the name of late "Mohammad Shabbir Khan" from kolkata, India. He is the one whom no eyes have seen in millennium. He was a student of a famous Orientalist late Dr.Hamilton Gibbs(Oxford). He knew more than 10 different languages which include english, urdu, arabic, persian, german, italian, spanish, bengali, hindi etc. to name a few. he did triple M.A. in Arabic, Persian & Islamic History and did his Ph.D in Islamic studies. he was the founder of Indo-Arabic society in Kolkata(India). his scholarship destroyed his family life as he was unable to balance both. so he choosed his work over his personal desires. At the last stage of his life he gave all his Books costing in lakhs & flats, his cash money to Aliah University (Kolkata), 21, Haji Md.Mohsin Square-Kolkata-700016 (India). For confirmation & more detail please contact his only sign that he has left Md.Khalid Mustafa(B.Sc from St.Xavier),(Redacted). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.97.139.83 (talk) 06:20, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Do you have a reliably published source that supports the content you wish to have added? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:32, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Quench polish quench

Another (IP) editor and I have been improving the content at this article, I hope for the good. It has a record of the proposed deletion tag on its talk page Talk:Quench polish quench. Is it OK to remove that? I proposed the deletion and I removed the proposal since the new IP editor did not know how to do so—I told him I would do it for him (just being WP:BOLD). We have discussed the article both at his talk page and on the article's talk page so the PROD flag is a bit redundant, but should the record at the talk page stay or go? Si Trew (talk) 11:53, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Nope, Reference desk is not the right place. I know this is kinda internal Misplaced Pages plumbing, I just don't know what to do with the talk. Of course the PROD has been removed at the article (by me), but I don't know whether I should remove the record at the talk page. Si Trew (talk) 12:04, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

It needs to stay. Once an article has been PRODded - even if the original proposer removes the tag - it can't be proposed for deletion via that process again. The talkpage note serves as a record of the original deletion proposal, and so enables users (and admins who can't be bothered wading through all the diffs) to see at a glance that PROD is no longer an option for the page. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:37, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Delete unreliable sources?

Sometimes I see unreliable sources in articles. Example: Vajrasattva (wiki A, rygpawiki. Do you recommend deleting? JimRenge (talk) 16:40, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

I recommend first starting a discussion on the talk page, asking for input from editors who care, and waiting a sufficient time for a response. --Jayron32 17:21, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

open wikis are not reliable and can be removed see WP:SPS. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:23, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Find out who wrote what in article

In a long article with a lot of history, it can be extremely difficult/impossible to manually find out which particular edit added a certain word/phrase/section. Is there anyway to do this automatically? Thanks, Benboy00 (talk) 17:30, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:WikiBlame. --Jayron32 17:33, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Yes, there is a tool called WikiBlame. You can access it on the history page by clicking "Revision history search" near the top. Anon126 (talk - contribs) 17:34, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Merged articles, how does this impact Wikidata

Hello. I merged the articles Land hemisphere and Water hemisphere into Land and water hemispheres. Both these original articles had been integrated into Wikidata. How do I integrate the new article, which presumably covers a topic addressed in two articles on most Wikipedias, with the Wikidata system? --LukeSurl 18:00, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

One of the limitations of the Wikidata system is that it handles only one-to-one mappings. More significantly, I'm worried about how you did the merge. It looks at first glance as if you did a cut-and-paste, which doesn't carry forward the attribution of previous contributions. Did you propose the merger, and did you go through the processes described at Misplaced Pages:Merging to maintain the attribution? — Preceding unsigned comment added by David Biddulph (talk • contribs) 18:19, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

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