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Strength Level
Hulk, Thor, Gladiator, Hercules and the Silver Surfer are all considered to have Class 100 strength. Listing Thanos at incalculable strength levels indicates his strength is beyond their level, nothing more. Class 100 can no longer indicate a tonnage the character can lift, if it did Class 75 Namor (who has military pressed nuclear submarines weighing tens of thousands of tons) would also be listed at incaluculable, yet he is clearly below the Hulk and Thor in strength as shown in direct interactions. If tonnage really determined the strength class characters fell into then everyone from Namor, the Thing, Sasquatch, Colossus, etc. would have to be listed at "Incalculable"; which would make the whole class system pretty moot. Even Spiderman would have to be Class 50+ since he has lifted close to 50 tons in the past, but he is still only a Class 10 character. The stength "class" system can only be a system of relative strengths, meaning Class 100 guys are all in the same relative ball park, Class 50 guys are all in the same ballpark and guys listed as Incalculable are solidly above those considered to be Class 100. The Incalculable strength level of Thanos, as well as Mangog or Kurse, obviously cannot begin to compare to the Incalculable strength level of omnipotent types such as Galactus or the Celestials. The implication here is that the "Incalculable" strength rating in the class system simply means "beyond Class 100" and isn't a true, definable class in and of itself. Thanos currently being solidly above guys like Hulk, Thor, and the Surfer (as shown in direct interactions) in raw strength means he deserves the "Incalculable" or "beyond Class 100" strength rating. - MrBigB
- That's not only totally wrong, but you need an editor. 70.50.53.109 13:56, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
- What a witty, well thought out and informative rebuttal. Let me guess, a Hulk fan? There are examples of Thanos simultaneously overpowering not only Thor & Thing (pre-death, before power-up), but also Hulk & Dumb-Drax (post-death powerup; IG) Hulk & Hercules (post-death powerup; issue involving Quasar) and the Silver Surfer on numerous occasions. Thanos is beyond the Class 100 bricks in pure strength, too many in-continuity examples point to this to continue to deny it. - MrBigB
- I can't believe I didn't notice this reply before now. Thanks for a laugh, B. Not a good one, but a laugh. You might want to avoid saying things like "Dumb-Drax" if you're going to accuse others of lacking wit. Just a suggestion. Biff Loman 21:43, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- Biff loman9, are you even aware that there are two (possibly three) distinctly different versions of Drax the Destroyer? We have the original Drax (who retained his full intelligence) and "Dumb" Drax who was resurrected by Kronos about the same time Death resurrected Thanos. The resurrected "Dumb" Drax had his powers (and strength) greatly enhanced but he had the intelligence equivilant to that of a 3 year old child. "Dumb" Drax had Class 100 strength while the original Drax did not. Perhaps now you understand why I referred specifically to "Dumb Drax" when referring to the Thanos feat. It's a commonly used term when referring to the resurrected, powered up Drax. As for the laugh, you're welcome. Somehow, I doubt it will seem quite as funny now. :) MrBigB
- I can't believe I didn't notice this reply before now. Thanks for a laugh, B. Not a good one, but a laugh. You might want to avoid saying things like "Dumb-Drax" if you're going to accuse others of lacking wit. Just a suggestion. Biff Loman 21:43, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- What a witty, well thought out and informative rebuttal. Let me guess, a Hulk fan? There are examples of Thanos simultaneously overpowering not only Thor & Thing (pre-death, before power-up), but also Hulk & Dumb-Drax (post-death powerup; IG) Hulk & Hercules (post-death powerup; issue involving Quasar) and the Silver Surfer on numerous occasions. Thanos is beyond the Class 100 bricks in pure strength, too many in-continuity examples point to this to continue to deny it. - MrBigB
- As far as that goes, I think I remember in Secret Wars the Hulk was shown on the cover lifting a whole mountain. You can't take the listed, Marvel Handbook entries too seriously. Writers and artists probably don't want to be constrained by them. I remember an issue of Thor where Eric Masterson is shown holding Thor's apparently lifeless body in his arms; Thor, who supposedly weighs 640 lbs! I think when it comes to the strength levels of these superheavyweights, the best that you can really do is say that they're all around the same level, and it's impossible to tell who really is stronger. Biff Loman 17:02, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
- The Handbooks can be used as a reference for relative strengths, nothing more. - MrBigB
- Why do you feel that one exception is acceptable? CovenantD 13:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- What exception? Please clarify. Thanos has not only proven to be stronger than Class 100 characters one-on-one on too many occasions to mention, he has been depicted physically overpowering TWO Class 100 characters simultaneously on several occasions. If that doesn't show him exceeding the Class 100 category I don't know what does. There is a reason why Marvel has both Class 100 and Incalculable ratings, to signify when a character significantly exceeds those that are accepted Class 100 characters. The ONLY thing that throws a wrench into Class system is the laughable ranking based on the 100-ton scale. As I mentioned Class 75 Namor has pressed nuclear submarines with little effort, Thor lifted the midgard serpent, Hulk swam with an island on his back and braced the mountain in secret wars, Gladiator has moved planets and hoisted the Baxter Building, Class 80 Sasquatch hoisted a 250 ton airplane (stated in comic) then threw it against the thrust of its own engines and the list goes on and on. The tonnage system sucks, but using the strength "Classes" as a system of relative strength still works and doesn't fly in the face of continuity. MrBigB
- Most writers probably don't give a rat's hairy little ass about Handbook entries. A character is a strong or as fast as they need to be for the demands of a particular story. Biff Loman 18:59, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- They probably don't. And it isn't the Handbooks job to establish continuity but rather make sense of it. If Character X is shown as significantly stronger than Character Y in direct interaction then the Handbook should reflect that. Writers should be able to use the Handbooks as a basic reference for relative power or strength levels. MrBigB
- The Handbooks were published for gullible fans by a greedy comic book company. All we need to know is that these characters are superhumanly strong; who is stronger is up to the writer and the needs of the story. Biff Loman 19:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- So what you are saying is that established continuity is totally irrelevant. A writer decides to have SpiderMan physically overpower an enraged Savage Hulk to "fit the needs of the story" and that's fine. How about some ignorant writer decides to have Captain America lift an M1 Abrams because "it fits the needs of the story". We know these characters can't perform these feats under normal circumstances because of one reason, CONTINUITY. The Handbooks simply attempted to make sense of established continuity; in many ways they failed yet in many ways they also succeeded. MrBigB
- No, that's not what I'm saying at all. Biff Loman 21:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- That's what it looks like. Based on what you have written here it seems to me like you are saying that all characters with superhuman strength should be able to do anything the writer feels is necessary for the story. There IS a semi-defined hierarchy in the MU whether you acknowledge it or not. For example Spiderman should not be able to beat Thor in an armwrestling match, the Handbooks help to clarify things like this. Both characters have super strength so are readers supposed to suspend disbelief when some uninformed writer comes along and tries to tell him Spiderman is stronger than Thor under "normal circumstances" just because it "fits the needs of the story?" Hell no. So just what are you saying? - MrBigB
- No, that's not what I'm saying at all. Biff Loman 21:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- So what you are saying is that established continuity is totally irrelevant. A writer decides to have SpiderMan physically overpower an enraged Savage Hulk to "fit the needs of the story" and that's fine. How about some ignorant writer decides to have Captain America lift an M1 Abrams because "it fits the needs of the story". We know these characters can't perform these feats under normal circumstances because of one reason, CONTINUITY. The Handbooks simply attempted to make sense of established continuity; in many ways they failed yet in many ways they also succeeded. MrBigB
- The Handbooks were published for gullible fans by a greedy comic book company. All we need to know is that these characters are superhumanly strong; who is stronger is up to the writer and the needs of the story. Biff Loman 19:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- They probably don't. And it isn't the Handbooks job to establish continuity but rather make sense of it. If Character X is shown as significantly stronger than Character Y in direct interaction then the Handbook should reflect that. Writers should be able to use the Handbooks as a basic reference for relative power or strength levels. MrBigB
- Most writers probably don't give a rat's hairy little ass about Handbook entries. A character is a strong or as fast as they need to be for the demands of a particular story. Biff Loman 18:59, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- What exception? Please clarify. Thanos has not only proven to be stronger than Class 100 characters one-on-one on too many occasions to mention, he has been depicted physically overpowering TWO Class 100 characters simultaneously on several occasions. If that doesn't show him exceeding the Class 100 category I don't know what does. There is a reason why Marvel has both Class 100 and Incalculable ratings, to signify when a character significantly exceeds those that are accepted Class 100 characters. The ONLY thing that throws a wrench into Class system is the laughable ranking based on the 100-ton scale. As I mentioned Class 75 Namor has pressed nuclear submarines with little effort, Thor lifted the midgard serpent, Hulk swam with an island on his back and braced the mountain in secret wars, Gladiator has moved planets and hoisted the Baxter Building, Class 80 Sasquatch hoisted a 250 ton airplane (stated in comic) then threw it against the thrust of its own engines and the list goes on and on. The tonnage system sucks, but using the strength "Classes" as a system of relative strength still works and doesn't fly in the face of continuity. MrBigB
- Why do you feel that one exception is acceptable? CovenantD 13:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- The Handbooks can be used as a reference for relative strengths, nothing more. - MrBigB
Point out a comic book (not the Handbook - a real, in-continuity comic) that uses the Class 100 system in regard to the characters you mention. CovenantD 22:31, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- CovenantD, I have pointed out several in-contintuity comics that have showcased Thanos demonstrating physical superiority over top tier characters, sometimes two at the same time. In the last revision to the article I even omitted the "Class 100" reference to take the focus off of the Handbooks. (even though I did not contribute the Class 100 mention to the Thanos article to begin with) This is to say nothing of his battles with Tyrant and Odin, both of whom have shown dramatic physical superiority to characters like the Surfer, Thor, Hercules and Gladiator. Still we see in-continuity examples of Thanos going to-to-toe with both of them and holding his own. A picture of Thanos engaging Tyrant hand-to-hand can be seen on the article main page, this is a feat shown to be beyond the strength capabilities of Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill, the Surfer, and Morg (all Class 100) IN-CONTINUITY.
- Here is what I stated above: "There are examples of Thanos simultaneously overpowering not only Thor & Thing (pre-death, before power-up), but also Hulk & Dumb(resurrected)-Drax (post-death powerup; IG) Hulk & Hercules (post-death powerup; issue involving Quasar) and the Silver Surfer on numerous occasions. Thanos is beyond the Class 100 bricks in pure strength, too many in-continuity examples point to this to continue to deny it." What more do you want? MrBigB
The Big problem is that you are trying to portray Thanos as stronger than all but the most cosmic and aesoteric characters. You'll not get a lot of support for that when we all know that it depends on the story, the writer and the editor - if they need a story where Spider-Man punches out Thanos, you can be assured that it will happen. Trying to say that he's stronger than everyone just isn't going to fly. CovenantD 23:12, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- I* am not trying to portray Thanos in any way, I am only reporting what has been shown in the comics. If a writer needs a story where Spiderman punches out Thanos they will create the unique circumstances that will allow such a feat...or else Jim Starlin will be along to ret-con it away (as he did with the Thor and KaZar incidents). I do not even consider myself a Thanos fan but several of the users here, yourself included, are flat out REFUSING to accept proven character traits and are HARMING the Thanos article as a result. Your constant removal of these FACTS because you don't personally agree with them (or dislike me), with NO evidence to support the removal, IS vandalism. MrBigB
- You just don't get it, do you Mr.Big? Biff Loman 01:55, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- Another one of those wonderful replies. Apparently I don't get something, perhaps you should express your point in a more articulate manner. Be prepared for feedback. MrBigB
It's customary, Big, to use italics rather than capitalization for emphasis. 67.71.140.140 02:18, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- :rolls eyes: MrBigB
Good Lord this was a huge conversation! LOL TheBalance 02:47, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Powers and Abilities
User 72.192.204.181, you keep adding in that whole "Hulk avoidance" bit as if it was something of real importance. It isn't. It add nothing to the article as a whole since that section already mentions that Thanos prefers to outwit opponents. To that end, I'm removing it yet again. --^o^CORVUS^o^ | Talk, 13 march 2006
Thanos's immortality
Should Thanos still be considered immortal due to rejection by Death after the events of Avengers: Celestial Quest #8 and thanos #7 where Death made peace with Thanos and was willing to accept him?
Kyo-1 For Now (Annihilation Timeline), Thanos is not Inmortal. He explains it in Thanos Quest 1 to Runner . The Death made the peace with him in the last number of "The End" and she return his 'favor' and 'friendship' to him.
- Technically, I guess a character would have to be totally beyond death by any means to qualify as immortal. As an Eternal, however, he's still at least ageless. Biff Loman 19:02, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
POV
the use of the term Rip off in the begining seems a little harsh
i see someone edited the term out. Squanderdalfast 00:40, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Rob bank
Can anyone tell me in what issue of Spiderman, Thanos is shown robbing a bank
> I don't know anything about that, but in "Spidey Super Stories" #39, Thanos is on the hunt for the Cosmic cube and uses a Thanos-copter to track it down. He battles Spidey and the Cat (Hellcat), and is defeated and taken away by the police. Its hilarious. --^o^CORVUS^o^ | Talk, 18 June 2006
Insanity
I remember an issue where Thanos tapped into his "power cosmic" in an effort to confront the child of huimself and Death. Tapping this energy costs him his sanity (invokes mania, I believe). But I found no other mention of it in anything else. Was it mentioned anywhere else? Is it considered canon? AlGorup 16:46, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
> That took place in the "Celestial Quest" mini-series. Yes, the series is considered canon AFAIK, however, the version of Thanos that appeared therin was later stated to be a Thanosi clone. A clone evidently capable of fooling Mentor, Eros, Death and Eternity himself into believing it to be the real deal. --^o^CORVUS^o^ | Talk, 18 June 2006
Mistakes and Errors
Kyo-1 Thanos can't (and never do) destroy the Heart of the Universe... if he could do it, The Livin Tribunal, Eternity and All Marvel Universe dies. Remember than the Heart is one of the two items than exceeds the Livin Tribunal's Power and they Sentences [The Inifinity Gaunlet is the other item than exceeds the Livin Tribunal's Power cause the Gaunlet is the Physic form Of The One].
- There is no evidence that suggests that the IGs power exceeds the power of the LT. - MrBigB