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Regarding Mussolini: 1) Mussolini was baptized in 1927 but not "converted". 2) He was never a practicing Catholic. 3) His baptism was, of course, politically motivated. 4) Mussolini's embrace of atheism was enthusiastic. 5) Some of the other atheists on the list were not life-long atheists: Graham Greene, for example. Why does Mussolini have to be an atheist every moment of his life to be included?

3RR warning

You've inserted information about Scott Galen McKinley three times into the Harvey Milk article. I strongly suspect you are attempting to insinuate that Milk was a pedophile by stating that McKinley was 16 when they got together, of course, neglecting to state that McKinley left home because he sought out gay relationships in New York and under no circumstances could the source you cited be stating that he was being taken advantage of by Milk.

Regardless, I am warning you now that if you insert the information again, I will report you to WP:3RR for edit warring and you may be blocked. If you think this information has value, start a discussion on the talk page. --Moni3 (talk) 15:38, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

You wrote: neglecting to state that McKinley left home because he sought out gay relationships in New York and under no circumstances could the source you cited be stating that he was being taken advantage of by Milk.

My reply: What!??! If true does that change McKinley's age? Does that negate the fact I added?

Please stop trying to cover up the truth!

If you think this issue has value, bring it up on the article talk page, and include what truth you think is being covered up. --Moni3 (talk) 16:24, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
I have reported you for edit warring. --Moni3 (talk) 16:50, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

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July 2011

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Margarat Sanger edit

This is in reference to this edit. You should provide at least an edit summary if you are going to remove material from a controversial and highly edited article like Margaret Sanger. I reverted your edit. If the information is in error you can provide a citation. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 15:25, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Pol Pot

Please revert your addition to List of atheists in politics and law. I've already removed it twice, but you have re-added it again without explanation. There are a few problems with what you are adding.

  • Firstly, it is usual with these things that the person describe themselves as atheist. It's not enough to cite that someone else once said of Pol Pot ..
  • Secondly, your first cite merely demonstrates that Pol Pot was a dictator who suppressed the religious rights of his people. That does not make him an atheist.
  • Lastly, I don't know how you got your second cite, but Encarta, apart from being a tertiary source which is undesirable, ceased to exist three years ago. Adding cites with links to it doesn't really help anyone.

Thanks. --Escape Orbit 01:46, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Same-sex marriage

This says otherwise ...

No, dude. Factually incorrect - Alison 07:08, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Same-sex marriage in the United States

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You're already past your limit, and edit-warring against consensus and policy. There is no cover-up, needless to say. Take it to the talk page or risk getting blocked for edit-warring past 3rr, POV-pushing and WP:RS issues - Alison 08:31, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
And your 'source', Family Research Institute, has been designated as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. That utterly fails WP:RS and WP:NPOV - Alison 08:44, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Looks like you want to deny information to Misplaced Pages readers. You want to censor information that fails to confirm your prejudices. The SPLC is a far left hate group that long ago lost any credibilty.

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If by not "constructive" you mean including a fact which you seem to want to cover up.

Drop the personal insults - read WP:AGF. And since you use edit aummaries (good thing to do), you must have read mine that said "you'd have to read his book to use that plus attribute by name". You clearly haven't done that. You can't rely on someone else who isn't a reliable source to report a source correctly. And as you have now been reverted by 3 editors, you need to discuss this on the talk page. You've been warned about editwarring before, and don't misunderstand 3RR, that's not an entitlement. Dougweller (talk) 17:55, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Maimonides

Take this to the talk page now please, don't reinsert it - you've been warned for editwarring so it's time to get consensus. Dougweller (talk) 08:03, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm blocking your account for a week for this, as you're clearly logging out to continue you edit-war. It's not the first time you've done this either - Alison 09:51, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

I have responded to criticism and now I am just quoting Shahak directly. I don't see what the problem is.

I think Shahak is a significant voice who should not be ignored. Gore Vidal and Edward Said and Robert Fisk have all praised Jewish History, Jewish Religion.

quote: He became a well-known activist in international circles, co-authoring papers and giving joint speaking engagements with American political dissident Noam Chomsky, and winning plaudits from Jean Paul Sartre, Gore Vidal, Christopher Hitchens and Edward Said.

link: http://en.wikipedia.org/Israel_Shahak#Politics_and_works

Norton Mezvinsky and Ilan Pappe each wrote a forward for Jewish History, Jewish Religion.

The fact that he is a scientist hardly disqualifies him from making contributions in other fields! Is Chomsky ignored when he speaks on topics other than linguistics?

History of antisemitism - 3RR Warning

You have repeatedly been re-adding edits of which have been removed due to lack of citations, this is akin to an editing war which you have been warned about previously, please follow the guidelines as stated under WP:HISTRS, WP:PSTS, WP:OTHERSTUFF. Failure to abide to this will result in you getting referred again for editing war. Joshuaselig (talk) 19:25, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

I have responded to all of your criticisms, even those which lack merit. Primary sources are acceptable at Misplaced Pages, but I found secondary sources. I don't know why you didn't approve of the NYT article, but I responded to your concerns. You are mistaken when you say I failed to include citations, I always provided references. I think you are engaging in an editing war. Please follow the guidelines and stop removing materials with references.Jimjilin (talk) 03:58, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Demographics of atheism - 3RR Warning

You have repeatedly been re-adding edits which have been removed due to not being WP:RS, not presenting a WP:NPOV and having zero WP:Verifiability. Please stop doing so, or be referred again for editing warring. The "sources" you present are either strongly religiously biased, and are certainly not partaking in/recognized the academic demographics community. Jensgb (talk) 17:47, 22 March 2013 (UTC) I have responded to your criticisms, however little merit they had. Please stop deleting my edits without sufficient cause or I'll have to report you for edit warring.Jimjilin (talk) 19:33, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

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Please, please carry out your threat and report me - and the other 2 you warned. Dougweller (talk) 17:59, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
But seriously, you are likely to be blocked if you continue. If you think others are wrong about a source, take it to WP:RSN. And somehow I doubt you know more about statistics than I do. Dougweller (talk) 18:30, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

March 2013

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Dewey criticism

Instead of edit warring, please discuss in the article's Talk page why we should include such a significant statement when its only source is a right-wing website. It's a question not just of reliability but also due weight. ElKevbo (talk) 06:09, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

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Sources

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And adding that material twice, as you did, could be considered a violation of that probation. Please discuss on the talkpage instead of making further edits. Thanks. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:01, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
And giving a false summary of the conclusion of the study you referenced is also not a good idea. Here's the direct link (pdf) to that study. Read the actual conclusion section. --| Uncle Milty | talk | 21:28, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
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June 2013

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So much hostility! lol My additions vanish for no reason. I'm accused of using biased sources and yet highly partisan pro-abortion politicians and NARAL are used as sources!!! Can we move to at least in the direction of fairness?

Roscelese could you please tell me why my sources are inadequate?

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Hey, Jimjilin!

I just dropped by to encourage you to hang in there, but also to be careful. You are in "enemy" territory, so please tread lightly. The enemies of the Truth will beat you down whenever they get a chance. You should never forget that, taking the long (and I mean longest) view, they will receive their reward. And never forget that the Truth has already won the battle for us, regardless how the battle appears to be going in our own moment of life. Hope and Courage! --108.45.72.196 (talk) 23:52, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!

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As you have already been informed, articles related to abortion are under a 1RR restriction, and fall under arbitrary sanctions. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 01:30, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Thomas Madden

You seem to have spent quite some time over the last few days inserting the above historian into various articles, sometimes in completely inappropriate places. In places where articles discuss historical responses to historical events, random mentions of commentary from a single contemporary historian are out of place. Please just be careful and think about the context into which you are inserting text. Yeah? Stalwart111 22:08, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Again, please be careful. Adding something to the lede of an article when it isn't mentioned anywhere else isn't really the right way to go things. Take you time, read the article and work out which part corresponds to the bit you are trying to add. Also, the editing box includes a pre-set citation template tool that allows you to cite references properly. It would be worth you working out how to use it because, if nothing else, people will be far less likely to revert your contributions on site as spammy or nonsensical. Stalwart111 07:21, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
You've given me a lot of help and even more condescension.Jimjilin (talk) 16:14, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Not trying to be condescending at all - you seem to be adding interesting and well-sourced info but it loses some of its value when someone else has to come in after you and change it. A couple of small changes and those edits would have been fine - better that I encourage you to make those changes yourself than following you around changing every edit you make, surely. Stalwart111 18:49, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Just kidding lol.Jimjilin (talk) 02:03, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

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My edit was not about feelings or belief but facts.

I've closed the January 20 3RR report about Napoleon Chagnon with warnings to three editors and full protection of the article. You are mentioned in the report. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 17:36, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

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So adding a single unadorned fact together with a reference from an excellent source = bias & "adding commentary and your personal analysis"?! lol Is suppressing facts you don't like a hobby or a full time job? Do you burn books as well?Jimjilin (talk) 02:13, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

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March 2014

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Bernard L. Schwartz. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Why are facts referenced by articles from the NYT and Washington post considered unreferenced?!Jimjilin (talk) 04:32, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
The wording of the warning also includes "poorly referenced". Your additions removed the words "alleged transfer" and also removed the fact that Schwartz was exonerated and also the reference which supported his exoneration. Instead you added the phrase "in a scandal" which is not supported by the references you supplied. On the contrary, your references use the word "allegations" also. In conclusion, your edit violated both WP:NPOV and WP:BLP, not to mention WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH and WP:BLANKING for removing the sentence "but was exonerated of any wrongdoing after a Justice Department investigation" and the reliable source which supported Schwartz's exoneration by the Justice Department. Overall, if you insist on this course of action the prospects for your uninterrupted editing here don't look that promising. I hope this helps. Δρ.Κ.  05:01, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

You use the phrase "exonerated of any wrongdoing" which is not found in the article you cite. Please change it.Jimjilin (talk) 06:39, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Funny you would ask that. It didn't take me long to find a citation from the New York Times which says:

We are pleased that the facts in this case have now been made public and that Mr. Schwartz and Loral are shown to be innocent of any wrongdoing, said Thomas B. Ross, a company vice president. Mr. Specter said in an interview that he did not realize at the hearing that Mr. Schwartz had been exonerated by the Justice Department because he had not seen Mr. La Bella's addendum.

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Using Google to find references to support facts is a must in any encyclopedia, especially for adding information affecting articles involving the biographies of living people. So next time, please try harder to verify any information you add or remove from an article. Thanks. Δρ.Κ.  07:07, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

We should also point out that Loral agreed to pay a civil fine of $14 million.

http://www.loral.com/inthenews/020109.html Jimjilin (talk) 07:14, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

And of course we can't ignore the findings of the House Select Committee.

For example: The rocket guidance system on which Loral and Hughes provided advice in 1996 is judged by the Select Committee to be among the systems capable of being adapted for use as the guidance system for future PRC road-mobile intercontinental ballistic missiles,

http://www.house.gov/coxreport/chapfs/app.htmlJimjilin (talk) 07:14, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

And according to the Defense Technology Security Administration:

Loral and Hughes committed a serious export control violation by virtue of having performed a defense service without a license in the course of conducting an investigation for China of the failure of the February 1996 launch of the Long March 3B.

This activity also violated the U.S.-China Space Launch Technology Safeguards Agreement.

The defense service consisted of a full range of investigatory, engineering and corrective analyses to assist the Chinese in identifying the root cause of the failure and corrective measures.

The significant benefits derived by China from these activities are likely to lead to improvements in the overall reliability of their launch vehicles and ballistic missiles and in particular their guidance systems.

http://www.house.gov/coxreport/chapfs/ch6.htmlJimjilin (talk) 07:25, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Not according to this Google Book:

<ref name="Hirsh2003">{{cite book|author=Michael Hirsh|title=At War with Ourselves: Why America is Squandering Its Chance to Build a Better World|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=jiM1ag9p8H8C&pg=PA150|year=2003|publisher=Oxford University Press|isbn=978-0-19-515269-2|pages=150–|quote=Bernard Schwartz was exonerated of all wrongdoing when the Justice ...}}</ref>

Which mentions that the company paid the fine under protest since there were no clear guidelines as to what constituted technology transfers. Also Franklin Miller, deputy secretary of defence, testified at a senate hearing that he didn't beleieve that there was any improvement to Chinese ICBM capability due to any information transfer from Schwartz's company. It's all in the book. And this book calls them "China-bashing pseudoscandals":

<ref name="Blumenthal2003">{{cite book|author=Sidney Blumenthal|title=The Clinton Wars|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=vAxrr2fcO8AC&pg=PT1035|date=20 May 2003|publisher=Farrar, Straus and Giroux|isbn=978-0-374-70629-6|pages=1035–}}</ref>

Overall, the negative information you want to add doesn't look strong enough to be included in Schwartz's BLP. Δρ.Κ.  07:29, 9 March 2014 (UTC)