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I have closed your MfD

This is a bit of a late notice, but if you haven't already noticed, I've closed your Omnitech InfoSolutions MfD as speedy delete, as it was deleted by an administrator under the criteria for speedy deletion. Thanks for your contributions. Have a nice day. TCN7JM 23:57, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Pinkbeast (talk) 14:33, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

In response to your message

Explain your reasons please, rather than just leaving rude sharp comments (tit for tat).

Alphacatmarnie (talk) 06:37, 3 April 2013

Second message to Pinkbeast

If I choose to remove a comment on MY page after reading it then it is my choice and not yours!

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Joe Myers

Don't forget to go and do the merger, me. Pinkbeast (talk) 10:05, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

World Trade Center Talk

Thank you for your recent correction of my mangled contribution to the WTC talk page. As a new contributor, I need, all the help I can get. Tresmegistus (talk) 04:36, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Your tone

What don't I get? Hmm, let's see.. First, I don't know how to use the notifications thing so that's why I'm here. I went to the chat and you're gone. That's one. Second, I don't know all the ways about producing citations. So you might offer to assist, or be rude and leave me to find it on my own which I will. Third, I really don't get why you're so angry. This is not a life/death issue. I AM in Triple Nine. For LIFE. So sorry if that offends you. --Phaedrx (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:26, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

You might well be in "triple nine", whatever that is, for life; but if the page is to say that, a reference should justify that fact.

But the reason I am vexed is that you miss the essential point that the page about you is not your personal property. You shouldn't edit it at all, let alone treat it as your own sandbox, as you do.

As I said on IRC, if I hated you, I'd have a proper crack at the page and take out all the uncited junk. That ought to be done, frankly, but life's too short. Pinkbeast (talk) 00:33, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

pinkbeast, honestly if you look at every TNSer on Misplaced Pages none if them are cited properly. They're all still listed by the way as I checked. All it states is something factual and neutral. Misplaced Pages has much more important things that to stop the DD page from mentioning a society. Mentioning. Like the others that have been up for months, years. And I am not treating any part of Misplaced Pages like my own. for the last time. I sincerely have been contributing to other pages and learning and getting better. I have just as much proof and more of TNS membership which means less to me at the moment than Misplaced Pages and contributing and learning. I am trying to be a part if this community please don't judge me and my intent here so harshly. --Phaedrx (talk) 19:55, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Please spare me these meaningless platitudes. Your edit history shows the same old pattern; treating the page about yourself as your own personal property. Pinkbeast (talk) 21:01, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Notification

Hello. This is to inform you of a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Teahouse/Questions regarding a colour or pastel shade with which you may have been involved. The section is Misplaced Pages:Teahouse/Questions#My signature. Thank you. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 13:20, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, but er, I think you've got the wrong person. Pinkbeast (talk) 13:35, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

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Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Nicky Taylor

I noticed you moved Nicky Taylor back to Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Nicky Taylor after the submitter moved it into article space.

Except for WP:COI editors, there is no general policy prohibiting editors from moving their own submission into article space. However, they do so at their own risk: If their article qualifies for A7 or is a borderline case of one of the "G" speedily-deletion criteria at the time of the move they may find it speedy-deleted where if they hadn't moved it A7 wouldn't apply and they may have gotten a bit more leeway with some of the G critieria. If it's lack of suitable references make it appear to be on a non-notable topic but A7 doesn't apply (or if it actually IS on a non-notable topic), they may find it gone in a week after an uncontested PROD or a trip to AFD.

I'm assuming you moved it back to AFC to spare the article almost certain deletion at AFC and/or speedy deletion under one of the G criteria.

Please communicate this fact with the submitter so he doesn't wonder "what happened to my article" or, after reading the entry in the deletion log, is left (falsely) believing that a self-move to article space is an automatic no-no.

Thanks. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 02:35, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Done. I agree it's not per se prohibited, but I think that if someone moves a submission which is substantively identical to one that has been rejected by AFC, they are probably doing the wrong thing and it's best to be bold and move it back. I did plan to leave a note on their talk page but (as you may infer from page history) screwed up the move and had to get help with sorting it out, sigh. I'm terrible at moves. By the time that was over, I'd forgotten, so thanks for the reminder. Pinkbeast (talk) 07:32, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Recent edit

Hey - I think you edited a page I mentioned to you following a brief chat on chatroom. Many thanks for taking the time to do this, H Havelockapalooza (talk) 16:22, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

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Portuguese speaker

This help request has been answered. If you need more help, you can ask another question on your talk page, contact the responding user(s) directly on their user talk page, or consider visiting the Teahouse.

I'd appreciate it if a Portugese speaker could take a look at the refs on EcoHouse Group and tell me if they're as much junk as the English ones. (Ahem, whoops, thought were Spanish). Pinkbeast (talk) 14:53, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

If this help request doesn't work, you could try posting at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Portugal. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:58, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Notified Portuguese speaker AL of this helpme request. Let's hope he replies. If not, enable this request again. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 18:29, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

• Sure thing, i'll have a look! Problem (for lack of a better word) is, what exactly do you folks want me to see in the Portuguese-speaking sources? Cheers --AL (talk) 22:33, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Well, the English sources for the article are pretty weak, not justifying most of it. Most of them are the company or turn out to be written by it, with a smattering of press releases and interviews. The Daily Express article is about the only one that might claim to be from an independent reliable source (and reads an awful lot like they recycled a press release). So what I'm wondering is, how much of the article could reasonably be based on the Portugese sources? Has, to ask a radical question, anyone in Brazil ever actually seen the Bosque development - for example? Pinkbeast (talk) 22:47, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Don't know if this will suffice but, for the moment, i'll tell you EXACTLY what do the titles say in English: REF#6 means "Conisa and Ecohouse merge already with Global Sales Value of 700 million Brazilian real in 2013"; #9 reads "São Gonçalo airport to host first flight on 1 April 2014"; the #11 source says "Alecrim presents Stefano Seedorf, cousin of Dutch star"; #14 goes like "Government launches project to lead economic development in State".

I can translate deeper into X/Y source if requested. Regarding your last question PB, sorry have no clue about it, not my "cup-of-tea" area this one, can't help you there mate. --AL (talk) 22:53, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't asking you personally if you could answer the last question, but if the sources reflect in any way the actual existence of the development. Let's leave #9 and #11; I think my main questions would be - does #14 mention Ecohouse in any way, and does #6 describe a complete merger, a takeover of one by the other, or some sort of cooperation short of merger? Pinkbeast (talk) 15:31, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

• A bit of a mixup, cleared! Now for your "orders": REF#6, it seems an equal two-way business cooperation (in the article's second paragraph, it says in Portuguese that "Today, the engineer explained that it is a 50%-50% investment partnership...", with "... Armstrong having the right to acquire 50% of Conisa's capital after reaching the investment values stipulated in the merging contract"); #11, i don't see any direct mention of EcoHouse no sir, but then again i'm not familiar with the subject to understand if it's mentioned indirectly.

Hopefully i was of help, you folks keep it up there --AL (talk) 22:50, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

So from what you're saying, it's not a takeover, but an agreement that might lead to a takeover at some point in the future. Pinkbeast (talk) 10:55, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

• Yes, it appears to be the case. --AL (talk) 14:15, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much for helping with this. Pinkbeast (talk) 14:17, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

• You're welcome. --AL (talk) 18:43, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Obelisk International/EcoHouse Group

Would you recommend that I removed Obelisk International from Articles for Deletion? As you are probably aware, I am quite new to wikipedia and was not familiar with COI rules at the time of posting https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers However, I do believe the article fits the criteria for deletion due to non-notability and noticed that you support this viewpoint.

As for my own company page, I believe I have set it up as an informative article written from a neutral point of view to advance the interests of Misplaced Pages. As and when parts of the article do not meet these requirements, I welcome any support that moderators like yourself can give me in editing the article so that it fully advances Misplaced Pages's interests rather than the company's. Stevecastro (talk) 09:56, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Bridging Loan

I find your comments regarding my edits on Bridging Loan as a clear indication you have no real understanding of the UK bridging Index. You accuse me of COI when in reality I am clarifying the position of the Index in relation to the FSA regulation issues. The bridging sector has no regulation and before the Index was created, no way for professional intermediaries to understand the trends in this sector. I am simply attempting to ensure the Index is included in the section about the UK (because it is entirely relevant) and linking to the existing Wiki entry is also entirely justfied. COI does not enter into this in any way! This sector is crying out for useful and informative tools for professionals to use, so why on earth would you edit out something that would provide highly relevant information! I would suggest therefore you put back the text you edited out. I am also looking for additional citations to include on the West One Index page. Andymossy (talk) 16:23, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I accuse you of COI because you've got one about the size of Nebraska. No-one could possibly look at your contribs and think otherwise.

If you can find independent reliable sources for the West One Index page - great. It would be a vast improvement on the situation at the moment which is arguably simply a collection of recycled press releases. As it stands, I am half minded to nominate the article for deletion. Pinkbeast (talk) 18:11, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

OK then please clarify what you would accept as "independent reliable sources." As I'm sure you appreciate, there is no control over what editors use in their pieces, recycled press releases or otherwise. Would a piece in the Financial Times be a better reference? Andymossy (talk) 11:13, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Same as for any Misplaced Pages article - WP:42. That lack of control doesn't matter if you don't have a COI, of course, because you can just write about the things that get proper coverage. And, it depends. Is it about the Index, written independently? Pinkbeast (talk) 13:01, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

I have posted a piece which I think is worthy of a citation/reference entry by a mortgage broker commenting on the Industry. I have also included a PDF link to a publication which uses the Index data graphs as the specific basis for an article. perhaps you can give me a steer if these are in the right direction? Andymossy (talk) 14:22, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

The Jupp article's not bad, but remember, you're looking for articles about the Index, not ones that use it. Pinkbeast (talk) 14:25, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

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For the avoidance of doubt, I didn't write it, I inadvertently moved a subst:submit out of a mangled reference. Pinkbeast (talk) 10:25, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Jill Purce removed comment

I hope my explanation for my recent edit is clear, in which I undid your re-insertion of the comment? Basically, Jerome Kohl was querying the word 'inspired' but agreed that 'helped' was supported by the secondary source in question. I removed the word 'inspired' and left 'helped', which meant the issue was resolved, which is why I removed Kohl's original comment. I should have added an explanation, I agree that it would have looked 'spurious' to an onlooker. Gh26 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gh26 (talk • contribs) 21:40, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Actually, from what I read on that talk page, it's not resolved at all; you're just asserting it's true without any source. Pinkbeast (talk) 18:49, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Jerome Kohl said this "The real problem is the lack of a source " so Jerome and I agreed on keeping the original "helped" which had always passed and been unchallenged. I followed Kohl's advice to resolve the issue by removing the word 'inspired' and, as he suggested, leaving in the word 'helped', which he was happy with so I removed the comment once I had made the change that Kohl had asked for.Gh26 (talk) 16:03, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Is it OK if I remove the comment now?Gh26 (talk) 15:23, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Why don't you ask Jerome Kohl? He's more familiar with the reference. Presumably he could have removed it if he thought the reference justified the material. Pinkbeast (talk) 18:08, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

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I am Hello. There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. ing you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phaedrx (talk • contribs) 13:04, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

This actually refers to Misplaced Pages:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Dennis_Donaghy FWIW. Pinkbeast (talk) 13:19, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

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Miss Multiverso

Saludos Por que razon pones que soy parte de este certamen???

y por que pones una version vieja con faltas ortograficas etc...

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Jennifer O'Neill article

Please stop your vandalism of articles and pages which are perfectly ok, and please stop your personal comments and insults to other users and editors. If you cannot be civil, please just do not say anything at all. 19:21, 7 August 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taninao0126 (talk • contribs)

ANEW

I am notifying you of this report at WP:ANEW. I've already closed the report, but you might still wish to read it.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:59, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. With any luck, that'll be the end of it. Pinkbeast (talk) 01:23, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Christian Council of Britain

Hi PB. The less I say about a certain user, the easier it will be to maintain a reputation for civility. I've been through all procedures and have put a note on User_talk:Ronhjones#Christian_Council_of_Britain as he previously answered a request for help. Regards JRPG (talk) 15:58, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Let's see if that gets a response... Pinkbeast (talk) 17:14, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi again PB. Just in case you missed it, Ron explained his logic on his talk page -safely away from unwanted gaze! JRPG (talk) 20:45, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

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Civility

Your interactions with EmRob07 are bordering on incivility. Please remember to WP:AGF with all users. WikiDan61_ReadMe!! 16:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Fair point. Pinkbeast (talk) 16:50, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for "defending my Talk page

Hi Pinkbeast, thanks for keeping an eye on my page. I have now written a reply to AspieNo1 but I'd like another pair of eyes to look it over before I notify him of my reply. I'm not sure if my post might be percieved as bitey - I have no idea how someone with Aspergers would interpret the tone and content of my reply. BTW if this editor continues to do such disruptive edits do you think a block may be justified in terms of WP:COMPETENCE and/or WP:NOTTHERAPY? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:06, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

I admit I'm trying not to touch this one. I suspect a block is inevitable in the long run, yes. Pinkbeast (talk) 16:12, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Cole Swindell

Would you be interested in withdrawing this AFD? I think it's pretty clear that it's going to be a keep. Ten Pound Hammer • 20:28, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Not really. I think it's unfortunate that multiple respondents are misreading WP:MUSICBIO (and treating it as doctrine not guideline), but perhaps someone will notice that at some point. Pinkbeast (talk) 15:51, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Flags

I have left a reply for you on Talk:Edinburgh Brendandh (talk) 16:33, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

JobScheduler

Thanks for your advice. We're in the process of getting more attention in the professional press - which will also lead to us getting references that are suitable for Misplaced Pages. It won't happen overnight but as the Gartner reference shows, we are on the right track.A-Amos (talk) 10:46, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

A reference you plant is, by definition, not independent coverage. If that gets approved I shall check it carefully for recycled press releases. Pinkbeast (talk) 11:32, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

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Dennis Donaghy AFD

Hi Pinkbeast! The page you linked to showing the list of sockpuppets was either not the page he had up when I went looking, or I completely missed reading his User page, and went only to his talk page. If he listed them as puppets and I missed it, that's my fault and I wll apologize. This is all so confusing, at least my guess was right that he wrote the page himself initially. Now the abuse on the AFD page has spilled over to my talk page, and also he posted some very ugly words on his own website. This started because he asked me to render an opinion on the discussion. I expect he thought I was going to leap to his defense. If so, he picked the wrong editor, I am very much against the use of Wiki for self-aggrandizement and any time someone asks my opinion they're going to get it. This user, unfortunately seems to be missing some of the goals of Misplaced Pages along with most of his manners. Any assistance you can render will be most gratefully appreciated. Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:41, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

You are right that he wrote it himself. That COI's been a bit ongoing. I presume last night's ranting will have pretty permanently burned bridges, the AFD will end "delete", the complaint at AN/I close with no action... and with any luck, he'll give it a rest. He got a 24 hour block as the IP sock last night, and I expect a repeat performance would lead to more serious sanctions (but not an admin myself). Pinkbeast (talk) 19:54, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

I suspect you are right, but I get the feeling his raging will continue. He seems very immature for someone so old. Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:04, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Steamtown

Just to clarify something: None of the locomotives are currently at the site. The place no longer exists. That is why the first line of the article says, "Steamtown, U.S.A. was a steam locomotive museum that ran steam excursions out of North Walpole, New Hampshire, and Bellows Falls, Vermont, from the 1960s to 1983." The article is about a train excursion/museum that was once in VT. It moved to PA and was then nationalized. This article is about the history of and the collection at the Vermont location. The last time I checked there is a Ben and Jerry's ice cream plant at the location. To take out the summaries of the pieces in the collection would be to take out half of the point of the article. They are actually short summaries, not lengthy, in my opinion, and are too short to make articles of their own. I, personally, cannot see them in any other way but as part of longer articles. Since the thing that each one has in common is that they were all once part of the collection on which the article is written, I think that they should be included in this particular article. In specific regard to the loco you mentioned, the Repton, there used to be a line in the lead that explained that part of the collection is at the Steamtown National Historic Site in PA, but many of the pieces have been sold or traded elsewhere, many to their country of origin. But that has been removed.--Ishtar456 (talk) 02:10, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Trafalgar

Hi
Thanks for answering my query in the Battle of Trafalgar article, about the broadside. Regards, RASAM (talk) 16:53, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to provide thoughts

Hi, Pinkbeast!

Since you provided comments on this discussion, I invite you to look at the discussion for a system of automating article requests I have been working on independently.

Thanks much! ~ Matthewrbowker 18:34, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for asking, but I'm not sure I really have a qualified opinion. It's something I saw in passing once, is all... Pinkbeast (talk) 18:46, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Banc de Binary

Hi Pink Beast, I have added relevant detail to the Banc De Binary page but it's under attack again, any way of protecting the page?

Thanks, Historianofrecenttimes — Preceding unsigned comment added by HistorianofRecenttimes (talk • contribs) 13:00, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

If there is a persistent problem with IPs whitewashing a page, it can be protected against edits by anonymous accounts... but "one swallow doesn't make a summer"; it would have, as I understand it, to be a _persistent_ problem. Pinkbeast (talk) 13:16, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Bluntly, additionally, it is highly inappropriate to introduce a mass of potentially libellous material cited only to random speculation on Web forums. Pinkbeast (talk) 12:28, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Hey Pinkbeast, the IPs are whitewashing Banc de Binary again removing your edit and other material, while adding some unsourced stuff of their own--HistorianofRecenttimes (talk) 11:15, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

It's not a persistent problem... and I think, bluntly, you'd be in s stronger position here if you hadn't started yourself with a mass of libel sourced to random Web forums. Pinkbeast (talk) 15:41, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

i second your stance on semi protecting the article - i take your point, i'm learning on my way, only 3rd day on wiki. IP vandal isn't helping his cause by referring to the cftc charges as 'old', when they are pending, took 6 months for them to file before they filed on 6th June 2013. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HistorianofRecenttimes (talk • contribs) 16:19, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Current_requests_for_protection Pinkbeast (talk) 16:23, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the Banc de Binary edit. I take your point that Oren could just happen to be an Israeli resident, but he does say on his site at www.orenlaurent.net that he is based in Cyprus, ie a Cypriot resident. His work and life history states that he was born and lived in NY until 2009, but Banc de Binary also claimed to be based on Wall Street until late Dec 2012, when the CTFC started their investigation, so on the facts that the company themselves put out, Oren was living and working in NY until then. The CFTC would have said if he was an American citizen in their indictment, as if his date of birth and location been correct, they would have checked and found it to be true. Instead they have said that he is not Oren Laurent from New York, as birth records have shown this to be false.

Or course this is just my guess, but I would say that is why they have written that he is an Israeli resident, as they have no evidence that he was born in or ever lived in America. Oren has denied this in his talk, but the Banc de Binary's website and others are registered from Israel in the name of Oren Cohen Shabat. I am also looking at the videos they put online and trying to identify which city is in the background.--HistorianofRecenttimes (talk) 12:56, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

You're doing synthesis again. Don't. Pinkbeast (talk) 12:58, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Let me clarify. It's up to Misplaced Pages to report what sources say, not to try and work out what it means, leaving conclusions which are not indisputably true up to the reader; it's also not appropriate to do original research (for example, to try to work out which city is in the background of a video).

There's a difference between being "based" somewhere and being a resident. He might just happen to have been there for a few months when that was written. You can't conclude "not an American citizen" from "CFTC don't say he's an American citizen"; that's synthesis, unless there is another source that says "the CFTC always postively identify American citizens". What the CFTC _say_ is that he resides in Israel; write that. Pinkbeast (talk) 13:07, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Hey, I deleted your comment from the talk page; I hope you don't mind too much. Thank you for everything else you've done regarding this article. —rybec 18:17, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

I do, yes. Claiming to be an "independent" paid editor with a COI is obviously untrue and it is not unreasonable to point that out, just as it is not unreasonable to ask what the nature of the COI is. Pinkbeast (talk) 18:41, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

If you could say it in a way that's less harsh, I think that would be better. The other editor may just have meant that he's a freelancer. Anyway thanks for waiting for me to answer before restoring your comment. —rybec 02:19, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Lucio Dalla

Yes, a lot of journalists wrote, without evidence, that Dalla was gay. That's why we can say that he was presumed to be gay. Guido Lonchile (talk) 18:11, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Other than the evidence of him dating a man for a decade, you mean? That's sort of a hint.

I'm going to take this to AN/I as soon as I have time. You've been blocked for this sort of thing before, I observe. Pinkbeast (talk) 18:13, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Pinkbeast, I don't understand why you're being so pigheaded in refusing to acknowledge that your source is not an acceptable citation for an encyclopedic entry. The Huffington Post, Donne Sul Web, ... all fail to mention any reference to his presumed homosexuality--which by the way, is fine. However, your insistence to turn this into an ad hominem attack is diverting from the point and that is not okay. (I apologize if I am misusing the Talk feature. I haven't ever used it before.)

• If journalists wrote it, then--for our purposes--it's true, until proven otherwise. IP, the talk page has a clear consensus, it seems to me. Drmies (talk) 02:23, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Evie Hudak

I'm a little concerned about your edit summary of "Once again, try and avoid synthesis as to motives for resignation." Where exactly did I add WP:SYNTH the first time? I'll admit that I could have phrased the edit you changed better, but your comment indicates that this is a recurring problem with my edits. It's not and the summary was inappropriate. GregJackP Boomer! 18:25, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

I think you're misreading that; "once again" because I made basically the same edit in two articles. What I'm driving at is I think the fact "resignation prevents a Republican majority" is difficult to phrase without implying that her motive for resigning is to prevent said majority (which of course it is, but we can't _say_ that). Pinkbeast (talk) 18:36, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

K, thanks for clarifying. GregJackP Boomer! 19:21, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Your false accusation of me

Dear Pinkbeast, I apologize but your accusation of me being an "obvious COI editor" here is inappropriate. I have just started editing Misplaced Pages, so I have not managed to make a lot of thoughtful articles and edits but I started with the matters which look and are really interesting to me. Moreover, I did not say that the edit you mentioned had been an act of "vandalism". I wrote it was "vandalism-like", and there is a huge difference in these words. Please do your best to be polite in the future. Thank you in advance. With the best regards, Andreykh (talk) 18:01, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

https://ru.wikipedia.org/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:%D0%92%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4/Andreykh - just started, eh? Pinkbeast (talk) 19:32, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes. I am not a native English-speaker. From time to time I used to make something on Russian Misplaced Pages, and I registered with the Russian one pretty much earlier. And yes, I wrote about AlterGeo there first. So what? Andreykh (talk) 20:11, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

You haven't "just started"; you have an extensive history as a shill for this company. Pinkbeast (talk) 16:29, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

That is not true. Ah... Ok, there is no reason to continue our discussion, I guess. I do not want to be continually trolled again and again by you. Good luck. Really. Andreykh (talk) 16:51, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Back to late 2012; over a year. Anyone can see at the link above that it is true. Pinkbeast (talk) 16:52, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I know that, everyone can check my contribution history and see that I was trying to make the article about that company on Russian Wiki look good first, and then proceeded to the one on the English Wiki. Slow - yes. But this has never take the first place in my life. Sorry, I am usually quite busy. And one more thing. I have just taken a look at your recent edits to the AlterGeo article, and I want to thank you, finally, for your really appropriate contribution. I finally started to understand more about Misplaced Pages and how to make articles here thanks to you. I appreciate that. Constructive criticism is what I appreciate and hoped to see here from the beginning. This is true, too. Andreykh (talk) 16:59, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Facebook statistics

It doesn't read as an ad to me. What do you think? -- John Reaves 04:46, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Nor to me, actually; I knee-jerked based on the anon's contribs. I see it's up for AFD, though (and rightly so) so perhaps we can just let it crawl away and die. Pinkbeast (talk) 15:00, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Thank you for your efforts on the Banc de Binary article, which I almost entirely agree with. When I deleted your talk page comment there, I didn't mean to alienate you. —rybec 05:12, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

The Netherlands

I undid your recent edit to the Cromwell article. The official name at the time was Republic of the Seven United Netherlands, commonly called the Dutch Republic. Holland was and is just the name of the dominant region. Favonian (talk) 09:31, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Literary Awards

You removed an external link to a Literary Awards database that I had added to the List of literary awards page. A friend had also linked to the database from that page and from a few other relevant pages, and you removed those edits as well.

As far as we can see on the Misplaced Pages:External links page, we were following the guidelines properly. Can you please explain in detail why this database - Literary Awards in Canada 1923-2000/Prix littéraires au Canada 1923-2000 - is not an appropriate external link for the List of literary awards page and other pages on similar topics? We would appreciate it if you could tell us in detail why you called it "linkspam". It is a free of charge, non-commercial, ad-free, Creative Commons database of English, French, and bilingual literary awards of all genres (fiction, non-fiction, poetry, essays) presented in Canada between 1923 and 2000. It includes a history of each award and a list of winners.

Any reader looking at the List of literary awards page might be interested in the content of the database. It nicely complements the other external links on the page. For example, you can see on the Book Prize Information "About" page that the creator set out to include major US and UK prizes for fiction only - therefore, none of the prizes listed in the Canadian database would be included on that site. The BooksAlley.com page only goes back to 1965 and, more importantly, includes only four major awards, all of which are no doubt also covered by the Book Prize Information link.

Cheese Alarm (talk) 01:14, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Please allow an editor without a conflict of interest to add the link, if they see fit. Pinkbeast (talk) 02:34, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Frank Dux

Why would you delete from the page the World Records that are recognized by The Black Dragon Fighting Society? If there is page references to such records, who is to say they are not true? The LA times is a newspaper, not a source for history. You could have allowed the records to be listed as I had them "Recognized by The Black Dragon Fighting Society" and have your disclaimer at the bottom that they are disputed. I think they should be listed until someone can prove otherwise. If you want, I can research this very deeply and provide multiple sources I suppose.

So on The BDFS webpage they said:

1993 - First and only martial artist to break bulletproof glass barehanded, International Martial Arts Festival, Bercy Stadium, Paris, France.

On History V.S. Hollywoodpage they also say:

Did Frank Dux set a record for breaking bulletproof glass with his bare hands?

Yes. Dux performed the world record feat at the 1993 International Martial Arts Festival at Bercy Stadium in Paris in front of representatives of numerous martial art organizations taking part in the event; an international press corps; bushido magazine staff; and approximately 40,000 spectators who were able to inspect the glass before and after the break. "The pieces of bullet-proof glass were handed out to members of the press, as well," Dux said. The onsite doctor's medical report substantiates glass (not sugar-glass) was embedded in Dux's foot and hand for which TV camera close-ups take notice of.

I don't believe in having falsehoods listed by any means. But I don't think it should be so hard to have records listed. So, are you at this time going to at least allow the record for being the first and only martial artist to break the bp glass barehanded??

I will continue to research and get back to you with more proof if you make me. Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:5B0:21FF:1EF0:0:0:0:3C (talk) 15:29, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

You'd do better to have this discussion on the article's talk page, but that "History vs. Hollywood" article is mostly just recycling the Black Belt article that printed everything Dux told them (indeed the specific passage you quote from it contains a direct quote from Dux, and how much of the rest is straight from his lips?) As mentioned, the Black Dragon lot are hardly neutral on the subject of Dux, who's listed as one of their affiliates; and are they a reliable source at all? Pinkbeast (talk) 15:42, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

To answer your question

European American. 90% of the respondents of the 2010 census, who identified as white, knew their exact European ancestry. If we are going to go around labeling Americans by their continent of origin then of course we are going to have the need to call people European Americans. I use the term all the time and so do most my black friends. Saying that basically no one uses it is not correct. Alatari (talk) 08:53, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm a little confused because it seems you have disagreed with me here and then put my revert back into the article, but... they might know their ancestry, but that doesn't mean the term gets used. I don't really understand the rationale for all these "foo-American" terms anyway, I don't feel the need to go around calling myself "Normano-British", but it seems to me whether you get a continent ("African-American", "Asian-American") or a country ("Japanese-American", etc) or a vague sense of shared ancestry ("Irish-American", etc) is pretty arbitary.

I partially reverted as White American is a broader category but the languages they added I kept. Alatari (talk) 13:09, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

I believe you that you say it, but is the term really in widespread use? It seems like it would convey very little that "White" doesn't. Pinkbeast (talk) 12:21, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Well, not all whites are European descent. It's so high in the US though as Euro-American and White-American is interchanged. The US is a nation of all immigrants unless you happen to be Native (like Osage or Cherokee). You think the European American article is so weak as to not be notable? The US census form had European American as a choice. Alatari (talk) 13:09, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Well, everywhere outside Africa's a nation of all immigrants if you go back far enough, if you'll forgive a Captain Obvious remark.

No, I think the European American article is fine. I just don't think the term needs more than a passing mention in White American, which is where we are... Pinkbeast (talk) 13:17, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

My one edit summary could be confusing. When I said I wanted to keep the language changes I meant the actual additions of these white immigrant languages. Alatari (talk) 13:36, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Very well, I think we are largely in agreement. Pinkbeast (talk) 14:17, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

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Himare

It appears that the ip, that removed entire sections in Himare ] belongs to the same user of that newly created account Bonender. No wonder he continued the same kind of disruption in the same article.Alexikoua (talk) 17:06, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

No surprise there. How long do you give it before we're accused of being sock puppets? Pinkbeast (talk) 17:07, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I dont thing so, he reached 3rr by the way.Alexikoua (talk) 17:27, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm a little busy right now so I guess it's up to you if you want to report that. Pinkbeast (talk) 17:29, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Blocked for edit warring

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.  Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:40, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

(Non-administrator comment): I think this user was supposed to be blocked instead. Δρ.Κ.  17:54, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't rule out the possibility that it was "as well". Pinkbeast (talk) 17:55, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Standby Pinkbeast. Hopefully Callanecc will see this and fix it on time. I'll check later as well. Δρ.Κ.  17:59, 11 March 2014 (UTC)