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MONGO Army has arrived to help protect page from wackos!

• Hehehe. Thank you very much, MONGO. That's what I call full protection. Bishonen | talk 17:55, 26 March 2014 (UTC).

Re date links

Hi. See my comments on my talk page. I am too tired to discuss this at length - it has been going on too long. But thanks for your observations. Deb (talk) 11:33, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

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Hedonic treadmill. Haba habba zut zut, eva hoba zat zat, aha hülepa hülepa hanam nam Hafspajen (talk) 14:50, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

• Isn't there a version (like, the original version) with ants? Very military ants? Disney? Obviously, you don't find Disney on YouTube or much of anywhere on the internet, but… or am I confusing it with some other military ants? Bishonen | talk 17:26, 1 April 2014 (UTC).

Ants?? It is Caramba! Recordeli pour Studio Garage De Garbage. Hafspajen (talk) 17:27, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

• No Bishzilla, don't eat dog. Bishzilla skate with dog, graciously. Hafspajen (talk) 10:05, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

"Original" references vs translated references at svwp

I'm engaged in a discussion about a suggestion on Swedish Misplaced Pages to mark references in translated articles as being taken from somewhere else. The jist of it is that several Swedish users are arguing that if translators of articles haven't checked the refs for themselves, those refs should be marked as "translated". On suggestion is to add a comment to notes along the lines of "based on a source given at article 'Foo bar' on English/Chinese/whatever Misplaced Pages". I find the suggestion odd to say the least.

Would you (any passers-by are more than welcome to comment) like to share any thoughts on this? Is this a good idea or not?

Peter 17:01, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

That looks like straining at gnats and swallowing camels. I mean, the quality of referencing in general on sv.wiki isn't so great.. not that I mean to boast of the referencing here on en, indeed (don't get me started), but at least we have a careful vetting process for Featured articles (leading to incredible referencing pedantry, but then similar pedantry is surely somewhat what the suggestion to mark translated references as special (as.. inferior?) is in aid of, isn't it?) There's nothing like that for Utmärkta artiklar, unless the process has changed a lot since I last looked. And also, as I saw you arguing at sv:Wikipediadiskussion:Källhänvisningar#Praxis vad gäller ursprungskällor vid översättningar från andra wikipedior, why would the references added by a furriner be any worse? Is this the Hederlig Svensk contempt of the morals of the rest of the world rearing its ugly head? Plus, the idea of referencing is that it's supposed to be transparent. That anybody can check. But I hope you don't want me to weigh in at the discussion, because I can't face it. I don't know why it is, but trying to discuss stuff on sv has always felt like I'm shouting into a high wind. It's like everybody else is more interested in winning than I am. Or it could be just that I'm (ridiculously, I know) not any too used to writing in my mother tongue. On the third hand, it's just struck me I hate contributing to discussions altogether.. I tend to put everything I've got into my first post, if any, because I can't stand the thought of making a second. Oh god, date linking.. Now I'm depressed. Bishonen | talk 20:49, 28 March 2014 (UTC).

Ask you to weigh in? Lord no, Bish. They'd likely just accuse me of trying to call in the cavalry of unruly English-speaking tramsmobbare trying to likrikta all of Wikipeia to the tune of Amerika-dominated tyranny.

Just looked for some external input and/or sanity checks. :-)

Peter 10:04, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it's weird. If the article is a translation, of course the refs are translations as well. You might be interested in Human trafficking in Argentina, which I translated from the Spanish. I put the original quotations in Spanish, with my own translations next to them, to avoid any copyright issues. The format sacrifices some smoothness for comprehensibility, but all in all, I think it works out all right. There is a template on the talk page, that says simply, "This article was edited to contain a total or partial translation of Trata de personas en Argentina from the Spanish Misplaced Pages. Consult the history of the original page to see a list of its authors." --which is the standard translation template for en.wp that I dug out of a policy somewhere, I don't have a separate Amerika-tyranny template. —Neotarf (talk) 15:26, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Sigh. Bish, you care to say something inspiring and/or whimsical to inspire me to keep pushing for sanity?

Peter 10:42, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm not one to encourage those conscientious little Dutch boys such as yourself to keep plugging that dike. If it doesn't help it doesn't help; I would have given up much sooner. Remember it's a hobby, Peter, it's supposed to be fun, and you're not responsible for the place. Misplaced Pages is not your mother is usually spoken in the sense that the 'pedia doesn't love you and won't take care of you, but it's also true in the sense that it's not your ailing mother that you have to take care of. (It's just ailing, that's all.) Did you see my new edit notice? Step away from that dike and click on the link on the left and get your daily affirmation instead. Nobody deserves the compliments and flower bouquets better than you do! Bishonen | talk 16:14, 8 April 2014 (UTC).

Hey, that actually helped. You rule, Bish, as always.

Peter 05:25, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

WP:ANI

I feel that this thread would very much benefit from prompt attention by an admin. Accordingly, I am posting this message on here - I shall do the same for other admins who appear to be currently online. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:37, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Bishonen, it's been awhile. I guess I'll need an ICBM.Anythingyouwant (talk) 17:47, 29 March 2014 (UTC)sarcasm of course.Anythingyouwant (talk) 17:49, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Responded on ANI. Andy, in my honest opinion, you'd better go for a walk. It's a delightful spring afternoon here, and hopefully there, too. Have an icecream in the park. (I'm not even sure we do have a policy against the use of firearms in dispute resolution.) Bishonen | talk 17:50, 29 March 2014 (UTC).

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I am not sure I understand this. Hafspajen (talk) 20:33, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

I found this to be a far better analysis. Jimbo came close to getting it right, but hasn't quite grasped that we have WP:MEDRS, which requires secondary sources for medical claims. Demanding good-quality sources (not just anything published in a "scientific journal") is a big help in keeping the POV-pushers away. P.S. If you're interested in the issue, you can come and help me tidy the worst bits out of Acupuncture. --RexxS (talk) 21:32, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Cool link, Rex. I'm saving a couple of fine words that were new to me (being a non-native speaker and all) in Bishzilla's pocket for future use: quackademic, woo-ful (or should it be woo-woo-ful?). And just a couple of clicks away was the great zombie Hitler, also a new acquaintance. I'm thinking of releasing the creature on ANI for April 1. And thank you very much for the fixie dust at the Blondin Award template! Bishonen | talk 22:16, 29 March 2014 (UTC).

(edit conflict)(talk page stalker) Where is your difficulty: in the headline, Wales’s comment, or elsewhere in the story? (All contain idiomatic expressions, colloquial or journalistic, that I can imagine seeming opaque to a non-native speaker.) The gist of the piece is that Jimbo made dismissive remarks off-wiki about a petition that sought to make WP more inclusive of “alternative” or “holistic” theories & therapies that are regarded as unproven or “fringe” by the mainstream scientific & medical literature.—Odysseus1479 21:34, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

I see. Hafspajen (talk) 21:40, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

List of Sport Club Corinthians Paulista players PROD

Thank you for deleting the last PROD in Proposed deletion as of 22 March 2014 JMHamo (talk) 23:25, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

A true pleasure. Though I enjoy deleting advertising even more. Bishonen | talk 23:32, 29 March 2014 (UTC).

I've nominated many this year... See you around JMHamo (talk) 23:58, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

User:Shvrs

I think a revert limitation per the discretionary sanctions atMisplaced Pages:General sanctions/South Asian social groups would be useful now, especially as he simply ignored my notification of sanctions. Dougweller (talk) 15:06, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh, god, really? Every time I try to read up on the conditions for issuing discretionary sanctions, I decide that it's simply too bureaucratic. Yes, I realise DS are supposed to make it easier to prevent disruption.. yeah. The day I get into them will have to be a day I feel madly energetic. Sorry, Doug. Don't you think an ordinary revert warring block like I just gave him will tell him something? If he hits the ground running when he returns, there will be longer blocks pretty quickly. Bishonen | talk 15:14, 1 April 2014 (UTC).

Actually I think you are right at the oment. But I think next time DS should apply given a block for edit-warring. It's bureaucratic but sometimes it's about the only thing that will work. What I like is the ability to place sanctions on articles to limit reverts, but I don't think that is often possible. Dougweller (talk) 15:24, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! A gift from fellow Wikipedians.

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Mistaken redirect

I did not know I had done it, really. (talk) 12:28, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for replying, but really? I hope that doesn't mean somebody else has access to your password. If you were merely editing in your sleep, don't worry too much, it happens. Bishonen | talk 15:42, 5 April 2014 (UTC).

Removing my comment

Is it OK for another user, in this case user Klopsikon to remove a legitimate comment of mine like he has done at Donetsk People's Republic talk page?--BabbaQ (talk) 06:35, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

I think we are talking about this comment which was immediately reverted. The "immediate" is a bit strange—perhaps there is some innocent explanation. Johnuniq (talk) 07:30, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

John makes a good point. If two people edit simultaneously, clicking "save" in the same second, the edit conflict feature sometimes won't work. (Happened to me yesterday.) That said, it's a little unexpected that Klopsikon didn't add anything in their edit. But I'm assuming good faith, and have commented on their page. Any reason you haven't restored your comment, Babba? Bishonen | talk 09:29, 8 April 2014 (UTC).

A cake for you!

A cake for the winner Hafspajen (talk) 20:12, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

• Appreciate it. Burp. Bishonen | talk 20:41, 9 April 2014 (UTC).

User:Naghmehetaati

Naghmehetaati, who you blocked because they were posting comments in Persian and not answering inquiries on their talk page, is back as User:Naghmehetaati 13. Someone opened an SPI, but I don't think it's really necessary. BMK (talk) 12:38, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Hell no. Blocked, and I've commented at the SPI. Thank you. Bishonen | talk 14:06, 10 April 2014 (UTC).

Thanks. BMK (talk) 14:17, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Immediate attention requested

I would request your immediate attention to this diff and the user making it. Thanks. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 16:42, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi, NBSB. Sorry I wasn't around, but it seems it did get immediate attention, by FreeRangeFrog. It took me a little time to read up, but I have now, as a completely uninvolved admin, declined the unblock request. Looking forward to having somebody tell me they know where my children go to school! Bishonen | talk 20:45, 10 April 2014 (UTC).

POV/fringe-pushing editor Finnedi

Hello Bish, as proven by this diff, where he/she accidentally posted as an IP because of being being automatically logged out due to the Heartbleed bug, there's a clear and definite connection between Finnedi (Finnedi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), who you blocked for 24h the other day for edit-warring on both Kvenland and King of Kvenland and an IP who was blocked a couple of times last year for the exact same kind of edit-warring on King of Kvenland and Ancient kings of Finland. Which might be of some interest when metering out the length of the next block. Finnedi has filed a case at the Dispute Resolution Board BTW, a case that is a bit chaotic, but might never the less be interesting reading. The most interesting part of that discussion is IMHO that Finnedi brought up the name RasboKaren, a user who was blocked in 2012 for similar POV/fringe-pushing. A user name and user talk page that Finnedi couldn't possibly have found by chance since it happened about a year and a half ago, a full year before user Finnedi was created, and about 10,000 edits ago for me. But then Finnedi and RasboKaren seem to have both the same interests, the same edit-warring habits and the same style when writing edit summaries, so maybe they know each other (or whatever...). I enjoy looking at the pictures of cakes you add BTW, with the picture of 27 "småbakelser" being pure porn. Greetings, Tom Thomas.W 21:54, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

(Dear talkpage stalkers, here's an explanation of the heartbleed bug that even I can understand: .) Good catch, Thomas. But RasboKaren edited Rurik dynasty and similar; not quite the same interest, is it? Or is it? I realize they're in the same ballpark, but Finnedi's editing interests seem quite narrow. (Addition: No, I see he has just branched out into Talk: Rus' people. Noted.) Anyway, it's very interesting about the IP, I'll certainly keep it in mind, even though the disruptive IP editing was too long ago to specifically affect block lengths now IMO. OK, you leave my 27 småbakelser alone, no nibbling! It was the highly cake-conscious Hafspajen that added them, but now they're mine! Mine! Bishonen | talk 14:56, 11 April 2014 (UTC).

Yes, they are yours, Bishy. Is Tom stealing your cookies? (there are nowadays 98 pics as far as I have counted them - left out fruits and coffee) Hafspajen (talk) 14:57, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

But are there still 27 stücke on the Bunter Teller? They're all mine! My preciousss! Bishonen | talk 15:51, 11 April 2014 (UTC).

Oh geez, I just looked at that image. It took everything I had not to drool all over my keyboard. Risker (talk) 15:15, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict)::Wuooah, stop this preciuos thing. It reminds me of that terrible guy in the movie whispering around. Only Germans may use that, because they never watch English movies, and don't get it. Well, they do but they are dubbed. Dubbing (filmmaking) Darling. Hafspajen (talk) 19:59, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

He has now also branched out to Talk:Vikings, testing the ground for claiming that the Vikings weren't Swedes or other Scandinavians. Which reminds me of yet another Finnish fringe-pusher that I have encountered here on WP. Unfortunately I can't recall the user name of that one... Thomas.W 19:58, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) Thomas, this is probably what you're thinking of ... Finnedi took it to dispute resolution, and I have a lot of respect for the volunteers there, so I've been trying to follow the rules. However, there's some additional background. The IP that Finnedi edited from was one of those that last autumn were pushing a POV derived from Kalevi Wiik at Runes and Sitones, as well as at Ancient kings of Finland. (I believe I came in based on the Runes and Talk:Runes edits, but I wound up rewriting Sitones and apparently I should rewrite Kvenland too.) You can see characteristic edit summaries in those articles in that IP's contributions. That conflict escalated into open bigotry at Talk:Runes and at my user talk page, where 117 IPs signing "amanbir" got quite rude. I wound up starting a ban discussion, and Amanbir is banned. (And that episode is why I have King of Kvenland and St. Paul's School, Darjeeling on my watchlist.) Finnedi hasn't walked far along that path, and the 91 IP could well be shared - such as a university - but there is some overlap in the content of their edits and those of the 117 IPs, as well as in some of the edit summaries. I also feel really sorry for Thomas.W; some terrible things said to him and about him. However. It's at Dispute Resolution, and I hope that works. And I don't think Finnedi is Amanbir; I think this is really "about" Kalevi Wiik's theory and that we have multiple adherents pushing it. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:01, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Your name has been brought up at the Neutral Point of View Noticeboard

Finnedi has now brought the matter to the Neutral Point of View Noticeboard, but since he failed to notify any of the people he named in his complaint, as he should have, I'm doing it for him. Thomas.W 08:59, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Thomas. I'll be there. Mentioning me as an opponent (and a Swedish opponent! The nerve!) on pages I haven't even read, let alone fucking edited, is beyond the pale, even for that user, so I'll have to rein myself in to sound like a proper butter-wouldn't-melt-in-her-mouth admin. I saw he did it at the dispute resolution too (collapsed by Guy Macon before I had time to respond). Excuse me while I just open the fridge and ring the bell for the Saturday class, and have my own cake breakfast. This one and one of these, I think, with a pot of apple and cinnamon tea. Bishonen | talk 09:23, 12 April 2014 (UTC).

Ahem. The drinks? The pot of apple and cinnamon tea+ Didn't got any tea... Hafspajen (talk) 14:26, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

S. A. Andrée's Arctic Balloon Expedition of 1897's FAR

I have nominated S. A. Andrée's Arctic Balloon Expedition of 1897 for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. GamerPro64 16:33, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

• Just noticed this....hold me back Bishzilla...MONGO about to go bonkers.--MONGO 17:37, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Oops… seemingly pat too swiftly? Lorenz contraction reduce little MONGO to disk? bishzilla _ROARR!! 21:16, 15 April 2014 (UTC).

I would like to apologize for this review and the possible redundancy for applying more sources to the articles. From reading the comments in the FAR, I'm now questioning the issues I've brought up. I'm not fully sure what to do with it at this point. GamerPro64 03:32, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. Bishonen | talk 11:18, 18 April 2014 (UTC).

Naghmehetaati 14

Naghmehetaati 14 — a new one today, with the same edits. Their stuff is sure getting old now If you're unable to, would a kind admin-tps of yours, please block?—MelbourneStar☆ 17:09, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Already blocked by Dougweller. Bishonen | talk 20:12, 12 April 2014 (UTC).

Sorry, another one: Naghmehetaati 15 —MelbourneStar☆ 08:50, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

You see how they get dealt with when you post here, without me having to do any work.:-) (Not that it takes more than two seconds, admittedly.) But I'm thinking of posting a query on WP:ANI or somewhere about preemptively blocking any and all coming siblings. There are clever filters, I understand. Bishonen | talk 12:28, 14 April 2014 (UTC).

And done. Bishonen | talk 12:43, 14 April 2014 (UTC).

Haha thanks for that. The fact that they have the time of day to write those wall of texts, in conjunction with making new accounts (with not so new names) certainly says a lot. —MelbourneStar☆ 12:59, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Your name has been brought up at WP:ANI too...

Since neither you nor me was notified by Finnedi I'm notifying you. Finnedi has now taken his case to ANI, calling for a block on me. Before doing that he repeatedly copy-pasted totally unwarranted/frivolous user warnings on my talk page, copied from his own talk page, which I first saw as mere vandalism out of frustration, but when I saw that he had opened a case on ANI I realised that he wanted to make me look bad, by having warnings all over my talk page...

Please don't respond to him any more on ANI, Thomas, the admins can read. You've done well so far, and no more is needed. Do the dignified silence, like "your errand boy Bishonen." (I did think of posting a haughty "I'm an errand girl, if you don't mind", but nah, never mind.) Sit back and watch the show. Ah... now he's disdaining Black Kite. "You are not an admin". Good one. :-) Bishonen | talk 20:12, 12 April 2014 (UTC).

I have no plans to post in that thread again, 'cos I've said all that needs to be said. All I'm going to do now is sit back, sip some Laphroaig, and enjoy the show. Thomas.W 20:28, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

I just saw, after I checked his contributions. Quite a display he puts on. I have really tried to appreciate his point of view :-( I wonder why he doesn't name me this time? Anyway, I got my taxes filed and I hope I helped save the article on the Icelandic professor, so ... maybe this week I can get to the Finnish train crash as well as rewriting Kvenland? That would be nice ... Yngvadottir (talk) 20:33, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Like falling out of a 100 foot clue tree, and missing every branch. Literally everything he said was uniquely wrong. Almost comical, in a sad kind of way. And I always pegged Bish as a woman, not a girl. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 22:56, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

That's funny. I find myself wondering how many branches a 100 foot clue tree has, but, as usual, this so-called "encyclopedia" is useless: Clue tree. Lame. I always pegged Bish as a Wikipedian. Whether that is a compliment or insult I leave as an exercise for the reader ... NE Ent 02:11, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Have to know where to look Ent: The Clue tree (lignum filo) is a deciduous tree that is said to impart wisdom upon those that fall out of the top and strike the many clue branches on the way down. A person that falls the entire distance without striking a single branch is said to be clueless or incapable of clue. The individual branches are often harvested to create clue sticks, which can be used to beat some clue into a person without the need of climbing the entire tree." Need to start WP:Clue tree with that. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 13:46, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Someone would MFD it and want to redirect it to WP:AGF. NE Ent 14:12, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages used to have a sense of humor. I miss that. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 15:54, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Man, one is gone, you find an other soon enough. Dennis found a new one already. Hafspajen (talk) 02:47, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Dennis, yeah, but wouldn't there's be something faintly improper-sounding about "ThomasW's errand woman"? Hafspajen , I think I know what you mean, but it's not exactly a similar case. On that, why did you post a Welcome template to a user who's been editing since 2011? That's unlikely to be well received. Bishonen | talk 09:15, 13 April 2014 (UTC).

@Dennis Brown: I'm sure Her Ladyship knows best. —Neotarf (talk) 10:28, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

I dunno, because I'm an idiot perhaps. The jury is still out. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 11:03, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

How am I supposed to know 'is been editing since 2011? And the guy acts like has no idea how things work... and said he didn't knew? And now starts cursing to people. Fuck of to Dennis and piss of to Drmies and .. What since since 2011? Hafspajen (talk) 13:27, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Don't worry about it Hafspajen. It's all good. It's a beautiful day today. Drmies (talk) 15:40, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

• Being told to "fuck off" really doesn't phase me, like water off a duck's back. I usually just ignore stuff like that as if it didn't happen and stick to the merits of the discussion. My ego may be large, but it isn't fed at Misplaced Pages. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 16:06, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

• You two are admirably untouched, for some reason, and I am glad, for your emotional balance sake, but sincerely it is extremely bad manners. Are we on our way to became Swedish? No pillar 5, no nothing? This is not going to stop here, and the next person might not take that easy as you. Hafspajen (talk)

• If it is just once or twice, it usually easier to just ignore it. Often they will get the point and stay on topic, which is the goal. Or if they continue, someone will walk up and block them, as they obviously were not provoked. Either way, there is closure. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 22:20, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

• Yes, they obviously were not provoked. But nobody seems to tell then WP:POLITE;..., or? Hafspajen (talk) 22:28, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

• Sometimes you have to warn someone to dial it back, but generally, if you have to tell someone to be polite, you are casting pearls before swine. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 22:32, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

• Re clue and cluelessness: if you think the user who fell out of the clue tree at ANI is exceptionally clueless, I suppose you don't follow caste articles much. Check out this guy, a gem for the Sitush complaint generator. Bishonen | talk 08:33, 14 April 2014 (UTC).
  • I want to be an anthropologer when I grow up. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 12:51, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
    • I want to be one of Sitush's pack of dogs. Bishonen | talk 12:55, 14 April 2014 (UTC).
      • MONGO's overkill and never heeded advice is to assume that some people can't be fixed with a cluebat...best thing is to hit them fast and loud with something like a MOAB or similar.--MONGO the Sociopath Monster 15:30, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

He's back ... (Finnedi that is)

Does anyone here feel like blocking a very loudly quacking sock that Finnedi just created? Compare this edit repeatedly made by indeffed user Finnedi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (see above) to this edit just made, as their very first edit, by Finnhaithen (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Thomas.W 18:05, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Blocked as obvious block evasion. Acroterion (talk) 18:45, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Thomas.W 18:48, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

So much for my assumption of good faith. I'll bop hir when I get home from work if no one else has. Yngvadottir (talk) 13:28, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Attention needed: new Finnedi sock

New very loudly quacking Finnedi sock to block: Nuutinpoika (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). See user's contributions. An SPI was opened by Bishonen this morning (European time), but they're backlogged so someone needs to step in. Thomas.W 14:12, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Future Perfect took care of it. Thomas.W 14:15, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Yeah. I have so noted at the SPI I opened. It wasn't really obvious IMO after the first edit, but now it sure is. Bishonen | talk 15:03, 14 April 2014 (UTC).

Yet another Finnedi sock...

It didn't take Finnedi long to start again, this time as NuuttisSon (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (same name as Nuutinpoika but with the Finnish word "poika" changed to the Swedish equivalent "son", with the same meaning as "son" in English). Thomas.W 16:24, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Look at the history of this page, Thomas. :-) Deny attention. I've just blocked the IP for six months, let's hope that puts a crimp in their activities. Bishonen | talk 16:28, 14 April 2014 (UTC).

During his most active phase almost a year ago he used at least one open proxy (in Moldova), which was then given a long block. So it wouldn't surprise me if we'll see him doing that again. He has also used mobile phone networks... Thomas.W 16:38, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

OK. Let's stop feeding. Editing my own page doesn't look like they're motivated by any interest in the subject, but purely in it for the attention. Bishonen | talk 16:41, 14 April 2014 (UTC).

Please block . --NeilN 16:48, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

• Just blocked another at ANI. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 17:09, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

And a new one Thommi.W (talk · contribs)

Finnedi's latest sock: Thommi.W (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Thomas.W 16:51, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

See Neil above, Thomas. Yngvadottir got it. I hate it when that happens. Bishonen | talk 16:52, 14 April 2014 (UTC).

I'm getting slow. Probably because I've been using a small laptop these last few days, with a tiny little keyboard instead of the big desktop keyboard I'm used to. So I have to look at the tiny little keyes on the tiny little keyboard the whole time when typing... Thomas.W 16:56, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Keep an eye on new user account Bishoska (talk · contribs), even though it hasn't edited yet. According to the user creation log it was created a few minutes after Thommi.W was blocked, just like Thommi.W was created just a few minutes after NuuttisSon was blocked. Thomas.W 17:02, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Bishoska has edited now, and my intuition was right, it was a Finnedi sock. And got what it deserved, an indefinite block... Thomas.W 17:16, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Yup. So these are some kind of pseudo-impersonation usernames; I didn't think a username like that would be coincidence. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:18, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I now have 2, after he got the patronymic wrong the first time. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:57, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

@Yngvadottir: You've actually got three, but the latest one, BryngdisYngvabay (talk · contribs), was blocked before he had time to use it. Thomas.W 19:08, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Hahahahaha, Bishoska's probably just Darwinbish's sock. :-D Poor little Bishoska. Yes, I see I've been visited by yours, Yngvadottir. I appreciate Ponyo's semi, though I'm concerned it may give the person a false sense of importance. Pity my IP block didn't do any good, though. You're probably right about the open proxies and mobile phones, Thomas. Yngvababy would be a nice sock for you yourself, Yngvadottir! Bishonen | talk 19:13, 14 April 2014 (UTC).

Finnedi has probably realised that he was too predictable, because the latest sock was named Hán-Nôm (talk · contribs). Thomas.W 19:19, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Wonder if I should take that personally. The Hán-Nôm article and associated topics is the stomping ground for my "favorite" banned user, one Mr. Kauffner. Favonian (talk) 19:32, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

The latest sock is ThomasFavonian (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Who's gonna whack him? Thomas.W 19:41, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Yawn. But let me know if you'd like your page semi'd, Thomas. Bishonen | talk 19:49, 14 April 2014 (UTC).

Favonian is fast :-) I stopped updating the sockpuppet investigation a while back; it should probably be caught up, although the number of updates is already starting to look a bit silly. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:53, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer, Bish, but Favonian took care of it before I had a chance to read your talk page. Thomas.W 20:24, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

"Starting to look a bit silly": yes, Yngvadottir, it is. Maybe we can update them in batches once a day or so. Or simply post some general statement that they are as the sands of the sea and the grasses of the prairie. Does anybody really care about having a record of obvious and instantly blocked socks? I think I'll just go say so at the SPI. Bishonen | talk 22:56, 14 April 2014 (UTC).

Done. Bishonen | talk 23:07, 14 April 2014 (UTC).

He's at it again today, including once more at AN/I. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:01, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

It was the second batch of socks today. A handful of socks were blocked around noon today CET, probably during his lunch hour, and then a few more now in the evening. And another handful were blocked just before I went to bed last night. Thomas.W 21:24, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Yarrr!

Sail ho, matey!

You're invited to comment on the FAC of the article on Kronan.

And that goes for anyone else skulking around this talkpage. Go on. Do your worst!

Peter 15:06, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Keep away, you hear? Apparently it was "one of the poorest FAC candidates ... for years". Ouch. :(

Peter 11:30, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Wikipediocracy

There's probably some back story to this little battle about Alison. You probably know about it, but I'm in the dark, as usual. I'm also about to go off-wiki, so if you want to act ... Regards.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:39, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Breach of topic ban by SHVRs

Hi. See and . Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:42, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I've also blocked 117.200.29.60 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log). Do you think 117.213.165.111 is the same, too? Bishonen | talk 09:59, 20 April 2014 (UTC).

Guess what, he retired again. Bishonen | talk 11:09, 20 April 2014 (UTC).

I guess 117.213.165.111 is the same. I've undome a long series of edits at Telugu caste. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 13:06, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I saw. I suspect the user doesn't have enough clue to be deliberately using IPs to evade his topic ban, since he violated the ban concurrently, and just as cheerfully, from his account. He hasn't used IPs while blocked as far as I've seen. But probably he'll learn. The sad fact is that we educate them to disrupt more efficiently. Have some beans, little caste warriors. Bishonen | talk 13:28, 20 April 2014 (UTC).

There is also 117.200.20.68. A bit of semi might be needed before too long. That one is still pushing the Raju kshatriya agenda at Dharmadhyaksha's talk page. - Sitush (talk) 18:25, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Right. I'll try to keep an eye on Raju and Telugu castes, but please drop me a line if they should go nuclear without me noticing. I love Dharmadhyaksha's comment to the IP, "Am sure you have met User:Sitush, which could be one of the many reasons why you are not a registered user anymore". Hehehehe. How unpleasant to meet Mr Eliot! Bishonen | talk 19:09, 22 April 2014 (UTC).

Yep, Dharmadhyaksha's comment will be right, however one chooses to read it. It is sufficiently ambiguous that it might be seen as complimentary or deprecatory of me, and I guess that I have both driven off some people and encouraged others. Nice one, Animesh! - Sitush (talk) 23:43, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

It was complimentary. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 04:07, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Your message

Hello. Thank you for your message on my talk page. I will defer to your judgement, and I apologise if I have misconstrued our policies. In answer to your question, the second part of this edit summary was a reference to redaction criteria 3 of the revision deletion policy. I am sorry if I have misunderstood the scope of that policy. James500 (talk) 19:38, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for responding graciously. I knew I'd seen (part of) your edit summary somewhere, but you did misunderstand the scope of WP:REVDEL. It's an instruction page for administrators, and not really very relevant for your purposes. Revision deletion is something else than ordinary "redaction", and the criteria are also phrased in a rather abbreviated way without as much hedging and instruction creep as most policies. "Purely disruptive content" is meant as a very strong phrase; it doesn't refer to a mere bit of heated/rude back-and-forth on a discussion page. If I gave you an example of the kinds of things it does refer to, I'd have to wash my mouth out with soap afterwards. :-) Bishonen | talk 20:01, 22 April 2014 (UTC).

(edit conflict) Nah - he indicated WP:NPA #Removal of text (i.e. section 4.3). The criterion is "There is no official policy regarding when or whether most personal attacks should be removed, although it has been a topic of substantial debate. Removing unquestionable personal attacks from your own user talk page is rarely a matter of concern. On other talk pages, especially where such text is directed against you, removal should typically be limited to clear-cut cases where it is obvious the text is a true personal attack."

The thing is, James, what you might think are "clear-cut cases where it is obvious the text is a true personal attack" are often seen by others as part of the rough-and-tumble of lively debate. So for the avoidance of doubt, it's best to let somebody else be the judge - if it really is a sufficiently unpleasant personal attack, somebody else will remove it for you. On the other hand, if you prefer the debating style of an Edwardian drawing room, I can recommend hanging out at User talk:The Lady Catherine de Burgh. HTH --T-RexxS (rawr)

@RexxS: "The debating style of an Edwardian drawing-room" is, I suspect, what the civility police desire. But all it not what it seems: some of the choicest insults I've ever read came from frequenters of such places and, of course, a stylised insult is often euphemised (is that a word?) as "wit". I was once good at that but now, alas, tend more towards the cantankerous. - Sitush (talk) 23:51, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

... which for some reason probably not unconnected with having just consumed three pints of mild, leads me to a piece of doggerel who author remains unknown to me: "In my dotage, I've become inert, defunct, inane/Oh, to be last yesteryear! Ert, funct, and ane again." Beer obviously doesn't affect my memory, just my sense ;) - Sitush (talk) 23:59, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

@Sitush:, I am not a member of the civility police, if that is what you are suggesting. James500 (talk) 04:20, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

It wasn't. Mine was a generalised comment and no offence was intended. Believe me, if I want to offend someone then I'd name them - I'm not backward about coming forward! - Sitush (talk) 10:27, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Would you be up to reviewing this?

TParis would like outside admin to review. Barek is apparently out. No point in rehashing. Here is discussion . Input or action would be helpful. --DHeyward (talk) 09:45, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

User:Dogmaticeclectic

Hello, Bish. Could you please take a look at the contributions of Dogmaticeclectic (talk · contribs)? A user who seems to have totally lost it, issuing totally unwarranted warnings to both User:Guy Macon and me, obviously without knowing what "inappropriate edit summaries", "vandalism" or anything else is... Thomas.W 10:21, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

User:Thomas.W, you seem to be unaware of WP:HARRASS, among other things. You're this close to being reported yourself, just so you know. Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 10:25, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

@Dogmaticeclectic: Get real, dude. And read WP:BOOMERANG before even thinking about reporting anyone anywhere. Thomas.W 10:28, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Problem solved. --Guy Macon (talk) 10:38, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

If I sleep long enough, all the hard work gets done by somebody else. That's my idea of a collaborative project. Would somebody else like to review DHeyward's problem above, too, while I have breakfast in bed for a few hours? Bishonen | talk 10:45, 23 April 2014 (UTC).

Castes, sanctions and templates

Howdy Bish, I have a small gift for you: it's here. It's still a draft and I'm sure it can be improved; so, feel free to tweak it, if you wish. Cheers. Salvio 12:46, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

I have added this to Misplaced Pages:General sanctions#Sanctions placed by the Misplaced Pages community. Not sure if these can be edited on the fly--perhaps in the edit window? If there is some way they can be adapted for other topic areas, perhaps that information should be added to the page as well. —Neotarf (talk) 06:24, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello...

Hi there, Bishonen. I didn't realize I was making a baseless accusation. That's how I felt, so I'm sorry if it was seen as disruptive. If you want to punish me, then I'll accept it. I'm at your mercy now. --Nadia (Kutsuit) (talk) 09:55, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't want to punish you. Just please remember the three choices I gave you, and happy editing. Bishonen | talk 15:31, 24 April 2014 (UTC).

Thank you for keeping an eye on this. --IIIraute (talk) 18:52, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Naghme etaaty

Naghme etaaty — a change of username; but not a change of edits. —MelbourneStar☆ 09:04, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi, star, thanks for the alert. I've blocked the sock and told Mr. Stradivarius about it. Mr. S has created a filter for blocking the same-name socks, and has already once tweaked it to filter almost-same-name socks, compare this. If you should see further socks, please take it straight to him. Bishonen | talk 09:18, 25 April 2014 (UTC).

Please can you block ...

Srinivasan107 (talk · contribs). I'm off out but they are being reverted by multiple people across multiple articles and talk pages and it has been going on for days now. The warnings on their talk page are the tip of the iceberg. - Sitush (talk) 17:53, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

What did I tell you, my job gets done if only I'm lazy enough and don't log on. Thank you, Ed. Bishonen | talk 18:17, 25 April 2014 (UTC).

Yes, thank you for that, Ed. you admins are like buses: none for ages and then several turn up at once. - Sitush (talk) 20:08, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Haha. Metaphor of the week, very apt. You should have sen three of the big blue double-length concertina-articulated Number 4 buses come trundling into Hornstull today after half an hour's wait. Like circus elephants walking in tight formation through the streets. Bishonen | talk 21:34, 25 April 2014 (UTC).

"Bendy buses" is the colloquial term for those things in the UK. I travel almost daily through a section of road where they are nothing but a nuisance, adding many minutes of time and countless grams of nasty fuel emissions from the other vehicles waiting behind them while carrying far less passengers than the vehicles that they impede. All of this because the road simply isn't wide enough to accommodate the things and keep other traffic moving. I'm not sure if there is such a thing as a "bendy admin" but it is an intriguing thought!

As for the photo, I'd need to zoom in but I'm pretty sure that my many detractors would say that I'm the heap of dung behind one of those animals ;) And it is an odd thing that I cannot explain but I always feel sad when I see an elephant - bizarre or what? I can remember crying my eyes out as a kid when I saw them at Belle Vue in the 1960s but even film of them in their natural habitat often gives me the willies now. Some sort of anthropomorphic issue, I guess, but I'm off to have a good old weep. - Sitush (talk) 00:28, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

!

Today is Friday. Hafspajen (talk) 18:34, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

The summer holidays have started early this year, see . The Saturday class in cake appreciation will shortly be replaced by Bishonen's Fat Camp. But I'll put out the tea and coffe selection, you can have some of that every day. Bishonen | talk 18:59, 25 April 2014 (UTC).

AAaaaah. Hafspajen (talk) 19:01, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) Fat Camp? It brings these images to mind: #1 and #2. Thomas.W 19:21, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Thomas, why did you do this to us? GR. AWWW, how terrible. You are a naughty boy. I have to start thinking about nice things like roses, asap. And I need the decor to feel home and get distracted, Bishy. Otherwise it doesn't fell like a home. Hafspajen (talk) 19:24, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Little user miss décor! bishzilla _ROARR!! 21:41, 25 April 2014 (UTC).

Could you take a look..

at these posts , and give an opinion as to whether making such posts to someone who has already voted in an RfC, with the apparent objective of getting them to alter their !vote, might be considered canvassing? Given the circumstances, I'd appreciate an uninvolved viewpoint on this, as I'm obviously not in the best position to make an objective judgement. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:18, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

I'll have to take a better look at the RfC before I form a definite opinion, Andy. (Woe is me, I thought I was going to get away with not reading anything about that case.) I'll get back to you, but my instinct is to ignore it. Does it in your opinion do actual harm? Bishonen | talk 21:35, 25 April 2014 (UTC).

'Actual harm'? Hard to say. It would depend for a start on whether it actually affected the outcome of the RfC - though that was presumably the objective behind it. It just seems to me that if evidence is being presented in relation to the RfC, it should be done in the open, where everyone can see it, and respond. More so when the evidence is being presented by someone facing a topic ban for "placing undue weight on inappropriate material in articles". , and the evidence consists in part of said person's own analysis of sources. Still, maybe I'm making too much of this... AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:52, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Incidentally, if you're looking at the RfC, make sure it is the right one. There are confusingly two on the same subject - the relevant one is the second: . AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:03, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

It may be something, but I would reserve "canvassing" for notifying people who weren't aware of a discussion. And you see how Balaenoptera musculus had already stated at the RfC that he would welcome somebody telling him about sources. Maybe that was Gaijin42's inspiration for posting, at least for posting to BM. Personally I don't really think it's much of "something", either. It's not exactly stealthy; e-mail is stealthy. And making some kind of a complaint about it would be pretty moot, since G is undoubtedly going to be topic banned anyway. In a word, yes, IMO you're making too much of it. Bishonen | talk 09:56, 26 April 2014 (UTC).

I note you aren't complaining about the ACTUAL canvassing, where LB pinged scores of people twice each. Gaijin42 (talk) 12:16, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Greengrounds may be back?

Hi Bishonen. I am not sure about this, but it appears that User:Greengrounds may have come out of retirement. Are you able to check if this IP address and "new editor" is him: here somebody leaves abuse on my talk page; and here, a series of suspicious allegations are being made by a user calling himself TheGfish: here and in the edit summaries of Greengrounds' favourite article Religious views of Adolf Hitler Ozhistory (talk) 03:23, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

No, I can't; only checkusers can do that, so you might consider filing at WP:SPI for a checkuser to look at it. Meanwhile, I'll take a look to see if WP:DUCK applies, but I don't remember the Greengrounds history that well. Was there an ANI at the time? Where did I engage with it? Bishonen | talk 12:19, 26 April 2014 (UTC).

Three to a basket

I was reading through The ExpeBishon and was struck by a thought: how on Earth did they expect to live for a full month in that basket? It would be really interesting to know a little something the actual accommodations of that ridiculous contraption. Like, where were they supposed to sleep? Is there anything on this in the sources?

Peter 11:06, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh, indeed, I'm sure I've seen a full description of sleeping arrangements etc. somewhere in Med Örnen mot polen. Though I can't seem to find it now — perhaps you will. There's a diagram of the basket here, and a description of the cooking here. (The "Oh how wonderful, I'm so impressed, fancy how clever!" tone for every last triviality is amusing at first, then gets a little trying.) Bishonen | talk 12:19, 26 April 2014 (UTC).

Oooh. Good reading for a Saturday at home with an icky cold. I can add something so you can focus on, I dunno, pastries and bus/elephant-jokes.

The Kronan-FAC seems like it might be wrapping up successfully soon, btw. I'm no longer sulking, at least...

Peter 12:54, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't get involved there. I just hate FAC and FAR, sorry. (I'm sulking.) Pastries… ? Pastries! More pastries!! Bishonen | talk 13:08, 26 April 2014 (UTC).

Very interesting book. I tried adding a minor paragraph. The descriptions of the living quarters were brief to say the least. There's twice the information about that ridiculous cooking apparatus than the construction of the entire basket. It's literally just "covered, single chamber cylinder with a slightly domed roof; access hatch on the side of the roof ". That appears to be it. The rest is mostly about the overly clever crap that never worked properly.

No worries about Kronan. It's all smiles and clever new diagrams now. And some fuss about converting the weight of shot. But who cares? I'll get my sixth star anyways. Bwahahahaha!

Btw, I was stalking RfC last night and saw this: "which Parteiadler should we use?" Even the Sphinx would be stumped.

Peter 14:19, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Fine addition. Svedenborg seems mesmerised by everything to do with pissing, did you notice? But I'm pretty sure there's more than that about the living quarters. Maybe in Andrée's own diary, pp. 399 — 457. Bishonen | talk 14:36, 26 April 2014 (UTC).

Uhm, pissing? The guy who wrote about the balloon construction? I'm sure I'm missing something. Though I am intensely curious as to how they expected to perform their morgontoalett 40 m above the ground. Maybe they had some hanging apparatus for that too. Hopefully without mirrors.

(talk page stalker) Quote: "Maybe they had some hanging apparatus for that too". Don't all men have that? Thomas.W 16:09, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Touché.

Peter 16:19, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Been reading some of the diary (depressing to say the least), but I doubt there's anything in there. Something tells me they weren't interested in describing how they'd actually do something as mundane as sleep. Doesn't seem like an activity that is either manly or patriotic.

Peter 15:07, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

I do believe the nödiga behov is a both manly and humorous subject. See here and here. Presumably Svedenborg gets it from somebody's diary, either Strindberg's or, more likely, Andrée's. The young Strindberg probably wouldn't write it for his fiancée's eyes. Bishonen | talk 15:50, 26 April 2014 (UTC).

Manly indeed!

Peter 16:19, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

Some baklava for you! File:Baklava shop, Damascus, Syria - 1.jpg Hafspajen (talk) 15:07, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

"New" editors

Do you think I should go back and clarify my ANI remark? I meant "new to the page," not "new to the project," as I assume Gandy meant. I could go back and put in a little addendum in small type. Coretheapple (talk) 15:19, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh... I'm not sure. Me, I did get the wrong impression from your ANI remark (which didn't mention who the new editor was, but only provided a diff). Nurturing new editors and not scaring them off is an important part of the site ethos, and I read you as appealing to that ethos by saying Wondering55 was being particularly harmful for retention of the sensitive newbies. (And even though I'm well aware of Gandy's work, I read their remark like that too. Sorry, Gandy, just a combination of the trickiness of the text medium + my stupidity.) But there are so many good reasons for the editor being blocked now that there's not much call for hand-polishing the ANI thread — I probably wouldn't bother if it was me. Bishonen | talk 16:57, 27 April 2014 (UTC).

Yeah, and I see that the ANI thread has been hatted. Oh well. Since I provided a diff, I guess people can see that I was quoting an established editor. I know Gandy, and was aware she was no newbie. Actually I'm not aware of newbies per se being scared off that page, but many established editors fleeing or declining to help, which in my view is a lot worse. Coretheapple (talk) 17:01, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Christopher Corey Smith(voice actor)

Hi, this is my first time sending you a message so I hope I'm doing this right(if not, then I apologise in advance). As for the subject matter, I think that Christopher Corey Smith should be added to the Funimation voice actors category as he has appeared in at least 3 of their titles. The following Funimation shows in which he has voiced characters:

Appleseed XIII

Eureka Seven: AO

Fafner In The Azure(although it was previously licenced by Geneon)

Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

Fullmetal Alchemist: The Sacred Star Of Milos

Future Diary

High School DxD

Jormungand

Michiko And Hatchin

One Piece

Sankarea

Sengoku Basara: The Last Party

Tenchi Muyo! GXP(as Chris Kent)

Toriko

If there is a reason as to why he shouldn't be added, then please let me know.

SK071 (talk) 16:37, 27 April 2014 (UTC)SK071

Hi, SKO71. You contacted me just fine. I notice the category description states that it's only for in-house Funimation actors; would that fit Christopher Corey Smith? I can't really tell from his page, nor from the Funimation page. The fact is I'm pretty ignorant on the subject. If you want advice as to who qualifies as an in-house actor, from an administrator/experienced user, Discospinster might be a better person to contact. I can tell from the history that she watches the Funimation page. Good luck! Bishonen | talk 17:20, 27 April 2014 (UTC).

A situation

Don't suppose you are interested looking a little bit at the Rasputin talk page? I am not asking you to be on expert on the question, but about the situation we have with this editor. He after given to him loads of references and discussing things still keeps removing this debated part, declaring it as a nonsense. Like for the 4th time by now? He just simply declares that he is not beliving what is in those references and that's it. The other editor is Bladesmulti's mentor. Also quite an expert on religion, mysticism and philosophy. I myself are not that bad on it either. Actually the whole thing is quite elementary for someone who is trained a little bit in religion history and such, but there is no way convincing this editor. And we discussed this now several moth. He also removed several other editors additions, (referenced ones). I am not happy about going to ANI, but if no one can't tell him he can't do this and he will go on going this all the time, I might as a last solution. He doesn't care much for any of Wikipedias policies, he is unpolite, sarcastic and absolutely inconvincible. This is why I don't put much fait in a Dispute resolution. Hafspajen (talk) 02:06, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Hafspajen, the article talkpage is hard to get one's head round, and one reason for that is frankly that you write so much on it. Please avoid copypasting whole swathes of policy, for example. Are you sure you should be editing subjects that you feel so strongly about? I'm sorry, but I'm not getting involved. I agree with you that ANI would be useless or even harmful, it would immediately turn into a content argument and that's not what the page is for. If it goes to ANI, I wouldn't have much trouble imagining you both ending up sanctioned for obduracy. To me, the whole thing looks just right for dispute resolution, perfect in fact. Please try that. (Er, Hafspajen? Holy fools and homeless people would typiclly be dressed in rags, not rugs. :-)) Bishonen | talk 11:17, 28 April 2014 (UTC).

Hm, I've got to agree with Bishonen about the large amount of text. Though I understand; I've got a habit of doing this too. Sensitive guys, aren't we? Easily touched, making it up with our brains & words. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 12:05, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

• Bishonen, are you sure that this guy should be editing subjects that he feels so strongly about? Can you please put it that way? I am sorry about pasting policy, but frankly I think this guy never heard about it. And if I say please read Wp.Civility to a guy like this he will not read it. It is obvious he never ever heard about consensus, civility and neutrality. So I took the trouble to paste. Right, it looks like it looks like, but hey, he is not easy to discuss with.

He will not listen. He got references but he doesn't care. A second Finnedi? I can remove policy and hope he read it by now, just to make the page more readable, I can do that. But doesn't this strike you like odd when having skitloads of references he still removes this part and restore everything to a version he has in his sandbox? And about my English, it is unfortunate but I have learned from the begining by hearing, not writing. A lot my relatives speak English, but it was on vacations and so. Corrected rugs to rags. Filling in for a Dispute resolution. Hafspajen (talk) 14:55, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Good, glad to hear it. Your English is fine. Bishonen | talk 21:31, 28 April 2014 (UTC).

IP 142.150.48.219 adding promotional material

Hello, Bish. I noticed (in my watch list) that you gave the IP a stern warning, so I thought I'd fill you in. It's an IP-hopper from Toronto, Canada, (using multiple IPs belonging to University of Toronto) who regularly shows up and adds tons of promotional fancruft to scores of articles about car models, causing a lot of work for the clean-up department, so it's not a one-off incident with a new editor who doesn't know the rules around here. But you can't block the entire University of Toronto because of a single editor adding promotional fancruft... Thomas.W 21:11, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Well, I suppose you can't. Pity. I never thought it was a new user, the way they were wikilawyering on your page. Bishonen | talk 21:21, 28 April 2014 (UTC).

Acting on behalf of other user

Hi! I notice that you have removed notification comments from another user (JzG) talk page that had been restored due to nonvalid reasons of removal (incivility shown by removal). I ask you the question why are acting on his behalf? Are you his spokesperson?--188.27.144.144 (talk) 09:51, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

No, I'm not his spokesperson nor acting on his behalf. I re-removed your comment (not sure why you call it a "notification comment") because you shouldn't have restored it. Your "nonvalid reasons of removal (incivility shown by removal)" is rampant nonsense, as User:JzG and everybody else are perfectly entitled to remove comments from their page. Aren't you clear on that after Dougweller's patient explanation on your page? ("What you shouldn't remove from your own talk page is at WP:REMOVED - also read the next section "Editing of other editors' user and user talk pages".) See the link in there. JzG removed your comment, making it clear he wanted it gone, so anybody who noticed that you restored it could, I'll even say should, have done what I did. Bishonen | talk 10:22, 30 April 2014 (UTC).

Removing such comments pointing out misconduct are bad example of incivility especially from admins who remove inconvenient notifications to them by thinking if they are admins they are entitled to remove and not be accountable for their actions. If you are not his spokesperson you should not have intervened to be an accessory in incivility by removing inconvenient notifications.--188.27.144.144 (talk) 10:38, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

More nonsense. I hardly think JzG removed your "notification" because it was inconvenient, more because it was rude and uncalled for. BTW I've just noticed you quoting this from Misplaced Pages:User pages on Dougweller's page: "User talk pages and user talk archives created by page move are generally not deleted; they are usually needed for reference by other users". That's irrelevant; it's about deletion, which is something different from blanking or removing text. I would have thought the context… oh, never mind. See Misplaced Pages:Deletion policy. You know, there's a word for picking fragments from policies or guidelines without understanding them. It would be better to listen to what experienced users are telling you. Bishonen | talk 10:45, 30 April 2014 (UTC).

TB

--BabbaQ (talk) 11:33, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

I have added information about several sentences of the involved parties. Take a look and edit if needed.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:15, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

If you can spare some time...

I think you may have a chance of successfully engaging with Ihardlythinkso (on or off wiki) after you've had a look at the unfortunate recent events surrounding his recent behaviour. Here are some links to discussions (though you will find diffs within the discussions which will lead you elsewhere and references to user talk page discussions too): .

I'm not sure how familiar you are with the user or the events I refer to. Similarly, I am not sure about the extent of how constructive this user's editing can be. I mean, if you can get through to him and his editing will be constructive after he drops the grievances, then good. On the flip side, if the general conduct/editing is more problematic than not anyway, I don't think there is much which can stop the inevitable, but at least it would not be diluted with possible issues with his reaction to possible issues being raised about admin conduct/actions.

I'd appreciate any time you can spend on it and your thoughts, but am conscious that this can be a very time-consuming and uninteresting exercise so would not hold it against you either way. Regards, Ncmvocalist (talk) 15:25, 3 May 2014 (UTC)diffs added at 15:38, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid I can't, no. The issues are too complicated for me to dip even a toe in at this juncture in my RL; I might drown. Bishonen | talk 15:51, 3 May 2014 (UTC).

Block for 178.42.195.84

Thanks for that, I've spent the last couple of hours reverting his vandalism. Zarcadia (talk) 15:34, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for doing that, Zarcadia. The IP had only been editing for a couple of hours, and already left quite a wake, so I didn't want to dawdle once I'd seen it. From the nature of the edits, it may well be an open proxy, and if so they'll no doubt turn up from somewhere else soon. Sigh.. Bishonen | talk 15:59, 3 May 2014 (UTC).

Gosh, I must be psychic. I've semi'd Denis' page. Bishonen | talk 16:12, 3 May 2014 (UTC).

Update: And Zygmunt Szendzielarz. Bishonen | talk 16:21, 3 May 2014 (UTC).

Re: Wondering55 & something completely different

Hi Bishonen! I didn't mean to sound as if I were correcting your post on her/his talk page. Rather, I was trying to elaborate on it: to tell W. to feel free to ask for an unblock, yet think about how she/he got into this situation. And I have some sympathy for W., since I know I tend to ramble in my comments & am amazed that I haven't been dinged for writing walls-O'-text. Anyway, apologies for making it sound as if I were trying to make you say something you didn't say.

And for for something completely different.

I've been working on articles in a nice, quiet corner of Misplaced Pages. (Former countries which few people have heard of are often nice, quiet corners.) The Empire of Trebizond had the intriguing reputation of being a wealthy, although small, Christian monarchy at the edge of European civilization that survived by an artful practice of its rulers marrying his beautiful daughters to the neighboring Muslim rulers. One could describe this as evidence of women being treated as chattel, although there is evidence that these women were anything but passive pawns in the practice of political marriage. I've discovered that there is enough information about some of these women to justify writing articles about them: an example would be Eudokia of Trebizond, although the best subject would be a woman whose article has yet to be written: Theodora Megale Komnene, also known as Despina Hatun. So after writing that wall-O-text, my question is this: would you know any women Wikipedians interested in offering critiques (or even edits) to these articles as I work on them? Getting useful feedback can be very difficult, especially about articles in these quiet corners of Misplaced Pages. -- llywrch (talk) 19:37, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

No, no, you understood me well. (Not everybody did, but nm.)

Cool chicks. SlimVirgin perhaps? Or Roscelese, if any of them were socialist or HBTQ chicks. ;P

I'm reading Eudokia of Trebizond here. The problem for myself wrt helping would be all those print sources. Being as I reside more or less in Murmansk, our national library isn't strong on English translations of chronicles, unless indeed they have Murmansk connections. I'm also too lazy these days to frequent research libraries in their physical form. Oh, look, I found a digital extract about Panaretos in a German anthology… …

Hmm… hmmm… I like the way Panaretos' own article describes his chronicle as drab, meagre, and sketchy. Most encouraging. (Though I notice his Misplaced Pages fanclub protests — very valuable work!). Is your Eudokia the same as the lady Eudokia Palaiologina here?

Did you know the "source" for Eudokia of Trebizond, the Bryer pdf, is a dead link? :-( At least, so it tells me when I click on it. Hmm… aha, it creates an URL with spaces in it, so it wouldn't work, would it. I'm an idiot with cite templates, I detest 'em, but all I did this time was click on the link, so I don't think it was me. Is that something you can fix?

I'd be glad to be an extra pair of eyes and do some copyediting if/when desired. Even though I feel a little, well, exposed, doing stuff like that as little 'shonen. But that can't be helped, since my comfortable copyediting persona has regrettably passed on (=been indefblocked). Bishonen | talk 21:12, 3 May 2014 (UTC).

I hadn't thought of SV. Been a while since I said hi to her. Never encountered Roscelese before, but there's a lot of long-term contributors to Misplaced Pages I've never encountered. Some entertaining exchanges on her talk page & archives; she is definitely a thoughtful & intelligent person.

Hmm. About sources: that's always been a challenge when researching & writing articles. An amazing selection of materials are available online -- www.persee.fr has quite the selection of French academic journals, a lot of pre-1920 books are available in PDF format online (although not always usefully labeled), & databases like JSTOR allow access to a wide selection of periodicals -- but it's a lot like sifting thru an attic or storage locker. (Sometimes one strikes gold, sometimes nothing, but it's going to be a long search in any case.) But a lot more materials are in print, most of which are not easily accessible; I've been using my Inter-Library Loan system a lot to get much of what I use.

Anyway, so how should one approach the problem of providing citations? Should one prefer sources easily accessible? Or ones that are useful or high quality, yet are not accessible? My preference is to favor the latter -- but I may be wrong.

But what I'm looking for is that people with backgrounds different than mine -- a middle-aged, somewhat nerdy, white guy with a college education & a middle-class background -- to see if the articles I write answer the questions they look for when they read the articles. I'm often surprised to find some Misplaced Pages articles go into great detail about some aspects while completely overlooking other aspects. I'm not so much looking to see if I'm using the sources correctly -- although if it's obvious I'm misusing them, I want to know that. What I'm looking for is if I'm making the same mistake: overlooking anything.

About Michael Panaretos: the copy of his Chronicle I'm using I found online -- I expect if I gave you the URL, you could download a copy & read it. It's a German translation of a Medieval Greek original, which I took the time to translate into English to use. (I can communicate in German, but I'm not fluent. I envy people who are fluent in more than one language.) Anyway, I assume from your response that you couldn't find a copy of his Chronicle in case you wanted to verify a statement; is it important to add that URL to the citations?

About Anthony Bryer's article. Hmm. That link's not mine, but the person who started the article, & I assumed it was still good. (I thought I had downloaded the pdf from that link.) I can replace it with a link to a JSTOR URL -- would that help? (Or if you are seriously interested in the subject, I can you a copy of the pdf. I enjoy infringing on copyright when it helps people write better articles.;-)

And about Eudokia: this Eudokia's not the same as the one on Ancientworlds.com. That one is, I would calculate, the great-great-grandmother of this Eudokia. Despite the fact they have the same name, I never considered one could be confused with the other.

Thanks. -- llywrch (talk) 04:34, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

JSTOR is behind a paywall, isn't it? Meaning in practice that only university employees can get at it. I don't approve of that. I'd love a bootleg copy of the .pdf, please. And also the URL to the German translation of the Chronicle, please, I can read German if I have to. As long as it's not in fucking fraktur. Bishonen | talk 20:37, 4 May 2014 (UTC).

Could not make it up

I recently reverted (diff) an IP who posted at Talk:Jimmy Wales. My edit summary was "remove: wrong page, you want User talk:Jimbo Wales although WP:AN/S is more appropriate".

Sure enough, the IP has now posted at AN/S! diff. Johnuniq (talk) 02:17, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

At last! :-D Not sure how one should respond. Merely archive after 24 hours as "No violation", as promised? Or reply "I'm afraid where Indian articles are concerned, Sitush is the 'Wiki team'"? Sitush thinks it's X evading his block (which will expire in a day or two) and topic ban (which never will). He should know, but I'm not 100% sure. Could be a meatpuppet. Bishonen | talk 06:02, 4 May 2014 (UTC).

The use of wanted(ly) for wanton(ly) seems telling.—Odysseus1479 07:08, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Darn, was that him? I did look for it, I knew of course that I'd seen it somewhere, but couldn't find it. If you can find me a diff, Odysseus, I'll block without bothering a checkuser. Bishonen | talk 09:29, 4 May 2014 (UTC).

Sorry, it was in others’ contributions to Talk:Raju: before the current IP used it, the expression appears in postings from 117.207.251.145 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) and 178.250.118.227 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) (the latter on a couple of user-talk pages as well, including Sitush’s). The named account expressed agreement here, which may have created the association in my mind, but didn’t actually write it.—Odysseus1479 19:42, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Right, I was just figuring that had to be it, after Yngvadottir reminded me of the 178.250.118.227 chap on Drmies. No block. Never mind, the practical difference is nil, as the named account in question is indefinitely topic banned from caste articles. Bishonen | talk 19:59, 4 May 2014 (UTC).

Remember Spalagdama?

He's back at it again, making his signature POV edits, with a deliberately misleading edit summary ("Corrected grammar. Added links to Wiki's page for the River Indus") to avoid scrutiny. Thomas.W 09:01, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Wow. Thanks for the heads up. Some blatant stuff in those contribs. Bishonen | talk 10:37, 4 May 2014 (UTC).

And good riddance to him. Editors like him have no place here.Thomas.W 11:23, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Many, many thanks for protecting my talk page - I really appreciate it. Enjoy! Denisarona (talk) 12:55, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Skol ! I protected for one week; it should be more than enough, really, but please let me know if the problems resume later. Bishonen | talk 13:32, 4 May 2014 (UTC).

Misplaced Pages:AN/S listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Misplaced Pages:AN/S. Since you had some involvement with the Misplaced Pages:AN/S redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 15:04, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

• Deleting the page was too much. You may undelete it, it has other users' contribs. Tito☸Dutta 23:30, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

If other people post their valuable text in my userspace, I'm afraid they'll just have to lump it. The page was a joke, it's had a good run (three months). I don't like to let these ephemeral items sit around for ever. If you're attached to the posts you made on the talkpage, I'll be glad to send you copies, or post them on some page in your own space. Or you can have a copy of the whole page + talkpage, no problem. Bishonen | talk 00:19, 8 May 2014 (UTC).

• I suggest to follow the way others do it "kept for historical purpose", or "this page is now closed" Tito☸Dutta 00:33, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, but

At Montgomery Academy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) besides other reverts he removed the mention of it being founded as a segregation academy 4 times, how is that not a breach of 3RR? What have I misunderstood? Dougweller (talk) 10:30, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Doug, I took this one as the version reverted to (you didn't list one of those, as such). No? I looked at the history, and the segregation academy thing had been there since at least February. I don't think removing stuff, per se, counts as a revert. Well, I know there are different notions about what counts; notoriously, there's one admin who insists any change at all that isn't pure addition is a "revert". And of course any removal does revert a one-time addition, in a sense, but if it's been there since forever, then… not really, IMO.

The AN/3RR noticeboard seems to encourage my idea that there must be a (reasonably recent) version that is reverted to, by having a header for it.

Anyway. You may be right about the 3RR, I'm not wedded to my own interpretation, but the main thing is they were egregiously edit warring, and 24 hours is the normal sanction for both. I added the extra 7 hours for the tendentiousness. Looking at their contributions worries me rather, giving the impression that they're here to Right Great Wrongs. Especially putting up Segregation academies for deletion, adducing WP:NEO… Google, anyone? And you know what they say about account names with "Truth" in them. Bishonen | talk 11:43, 9 May 2014 (UTC).

Thanks for the explanation. In this specific context (the AfD and Verdad's talk page comments which precede his last 4 edits) I'd argue for 4RR as it wasn't a minor change, but I see your point. Context is king (archaeology being my favorite subject and at one point hobby). I've been so tempted to comment on the name but kept shtum. Dougweller (talk) 13:58, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not tactful like you. Bishonen | talk 14:17, 9 May 2014 (UTC).

I try not to be but I keep slipping up and being polite. Sadly that really annoys some people. Dougweller (talk) 13:05, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Message left on my page

I didn't understand the need, context and purpose of your message left on my talk page. Was it due to some mistake or was it intentional? Please clarify.Hrihr (talk) 19:27, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Not a mistake at all. India-related articles are highly prone to edit-conflicts. "Dharmic religions" has been used, contested & reverted before. See Talk:Indian religions#Dharmic religions. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 20:42, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Joshua, I see now that you've replied quite elaborately to Hrir on your page. Wouldn't it be a good idea to copy both posts to article talk? (Possibly leaving out your comments on good faith and nationality; they're certainly pertinent, but perhaps more so on your own page.) Sources etc are matters for all editors of the page. Bishonen | talk 21:03, 9 May 2014 (UTC).

I'm glad you asked. Certainly it was intentional, I'm not some malfunctioning bot. The reason I wanted to alert you to the discretionary sanctions authorized for pages related to India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan was that I watch Joshua Jonathan's page and I noticed your post on it. I didn't like it much. You're not a new user; even though you haven't edited copiously, you've been here since 2011, and I'd hope you'd know better than to baselessly accuse people of "bias", and especially know better than to write "you better focus on Abrahimic religions and left these Indian topics to Indians as we Indians are more knowledgeable about our culture and faith. Don't use wikipedia as a platform to push your Abrahimic POV on others." No, you don't get to shut out other editors from articles on the basis of their ethnicity or religion. In fact you shouldn't even mention a fellow editor's ethnicity or religion. One of the most central civility principles on Misplaced Pages is that you're not supposed to make personal remarks: "Comment on content, not on the contributor." That's a quote from the lead section to the important No personal attacks policy. Please review it if you're not already familiar with it.

Also, seeing your edits to Indian religions, where you added some text to the very first sentence, then had it reverted with an explanatory summary by JJ, and then re-reverted him, I'd like to draw your attention to the essay BRD. I don't really blame you for not being familiar with that essay, but the fact is it's widely accepted on Misplaced Pages. BRD stands for Bold-Revert-Discuss: meaning, feel free to edit boldly, but, if you're reverted do not re-revert; instead start a discussion on the talkpage, and attempt to gain consensus for your version. (Note, open discussions on the article talkpage, where other editors can see it and take part; not on the reverting editor's personal talkpage.)

So those are the reasons I thought you'd better be aware that Indian topics are hot topics on Misplaced Pages, and that admins tend to be proactive to keep the related articles from being disrupted. I'm an uninvolved admin, and I thought you should be aware that admins can sanction you if you should edit inappropriately in connection with India-related articles on any page (that includes user talkpages). If you click on the link (in my original message) to the Arbitration Committee's decision about India-related articles — this link — you'll get a bit of background with regard to the problems plaguing these articles.

(I'll move this question-and-answer to your own talkpage; it would be more convenient to keep any further conversation there.) Happy editing. Bishonen | talk 20:49, 9 May 2014 (UTC).

Hello there

Specific diff needs oversighting, sent you an email. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:470:C:156:0:0:0:8 (talk) 23:06, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Uh..? There seem to be some problems with that.

1. You're an IP, so you wouldn't have access to the "e-mail this user" functionality.
2. If you also have an account, or had my addy since earlier, I still haven't received an e-mail from you. No e-mail about diffs or oversight today.
3. I'm not an oversighter. Here is a list of oversighters. Bishonen | talk 00:02, 10 May 2014 (UTC).

I don't mind if it's you. <3 Pattieden3 (talk) 00:36, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

4. He's a blocked vandal. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 00:19, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Regarding Dharmic Religions

Left you a message on my talk page. Hrihr (talk) 08:28, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

From Hrihr's talkpage: "I'm Wikipedian for 8 years since 2006 and I am editing wiki entries since then using dozens of accounts". Interesting. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 10:40, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, guys, but I'm watching User talk:Hrihr, so it's not necessary to alert me here to what happens there. If I seem to ignore important stuff, it's probably just because I'm at some wild round-the-clock party IRL. :-) If it's urgent and I'm not around, you'd better alert some other admin. Dougweller comes to mind. Bishonen | talk 12:57, 10 May 2014 (UTC).

"Wild round-the-clock party"? No householding waiting to be done? ;) Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 13:13, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Fine with me (party or contacting me) but there are several hours when neither of us seems to edit. Dougweller (talk) 17:46, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

User:Navajoindian

Hello. You may recall some discussion of the behavior of Navajoindian at ANI last month. After the ANI report, the user went quiet for a while. Yesterday, the same pattern of editing resumed. Three articles were edited. All of these were reverted as unsourced (by three different users, including one revert by me). One of those reverts was later partly restored by the reverting user. It might be nice if you could take a look. —BarrelProof (talk) 15:24, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. It's sad to have to block an obviously good-faith user, but I guess we've tried everything else. 72 hours, and I've tried to explain the problem on their page. I appreciate you keeping an eye on these articles, BarrelProof. Bishonen | talk 22:18, 10 May 2014 (UTC).

Discretionary sanctions regarding Indian subjects

Hello Bish. Would you mind informing Suborat (talk · contribs) about the discretionary sanctions regarding edits on topics dealing with India, Pakistan and so on? He has now twice removed the name of Delhi in all languages except Hindi from that article, that is even after being reverted, which may seem like an unimportant minor edit, but my gut feeling is that this could escalate. So it's better to nip it in the bud. Thomas.W 17:32, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)You're noticed. I don't add that warning, but you're noticed. Keep smiling! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 20:13, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

(Just got back from a pretty wild party.) Done, but there's nothing to stop you from adding {{subst:Ds/alert|topic=ipa}} yourself if you like, Jonathan, nor you, Thomas. That recently updated alert (not warning) template isn't for admins only, and it's nice and polite and doesn't imply misconduct. You can also add {{subst:Uw-castewarning}} where relevant, but you have to be much more careful with that one: it is a warning, and does imply misconduct. Bishonen | talk 22:49, 10 May 2014 (UTC).

Grovelling

And hitting myself over the head with a dead trout. I realised almost immediately I was wrong but hit an edit conflict with you when I tried to reverse myself. I seem to be having a bad day. Dougweller (talk) 15:03, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

LOL, you mean after I mentioned grovelling, you thought somebody ought to do it? It's fine, currently I'm just wondering why I ever got involved. I bet you are too. I won't even post the piece I just typed to the guy that's been spamming his "full support as a fellow Wikipedian" all over the place. I was planning to helpfully remind him that he's actually missed the BLP noticeboard. Nm. Bishonen | talk 15:09, 11 May 2014 (UTC).

I see the unblock request was declined. I think I'll go review my US tax return, that sounds like more fun (I get an extension as I'm abroad). I never can figure these out and it's complicated by being abroad. Then I have to file something with the Treasury so they know I'm not money laundering. Dougweller (talk) 15:15, 11 May 2014 (UTC)