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Keep up the good work

You've been busy at Gun politics in the United States. I look forward to reading it when the dust settles. Thenub314 (talk) 21:43, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

RfC closes

Are not done by anyone actually directly involved in the RfC. Cheers. Collect (talk) 19:33, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

WP:EW warning

Please read that policy, and note that 3RR is not a licence to commit 3RR. I suggest you self-revert and continue actual talk page discussions to obtain consensus and compromise. Cheers. Collect (talk) 20:25, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

And do you plan on warning Scalhotrod, too? We were working together, and he felt no reason to warn me... just as I was dealing with him collegially. I am asking you kindly to back off, and if you have a problem with an edit, deal with that edit, and don't just revert everything. I carefully read and responded to Scal's nine edits individually. The way you treated mine was uncalled for. Lightbreather (talk) 20:34, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Revert please

Sure. What precisely would you like me to re-add? If you cut and paste to my talk I'll put in whatever you suggest. Capitalismojo (talk) 23:45, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

ANI

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Callanecc, does this mean that Scalhotrod is going to get away with removing the same, single "See also" article link three times, and then moving/renaming the article so as to avoid removing the link a fourth time? Isn't that gaming? Lightbreather (talk) 16:04, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Your comment re: Gaijin's ban

Do you realize that with your comment, "Also, I third Salvio's and Andy's suggestions to reconsider Gaijin's ban. Lightbreather (talk) 21:04, 8 May 2014 (UTC)", that you just recommended that Gaijin be banned indefinitely from Misplaced Pages? It's not an unusual request for Andy to make. In fact I've seen him make it enough times I have to wonder how many Admins take it seriously any longer. I've also seen Andy state that if a certain change is not made or content removed that he will "report" the "offending party" and start a formal process. This is the kind of thing that can turn even your most ardent supporters against you. Differences of opinion aside, working to get someone banned is in my opinion the most egregious kind of censorship there is. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 21:43, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

I actually voted to lessen the sanctions proposed against Gaijin at ArbCom. After what he did in recent days, plus the comments of several arbitrators and yes, curmudgeonly Andy, I've changed my mind. Lightbreather (talk) 22:35, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Outdent

When using {{outdent}} or {{od}}, like you did at WP:ANI, please make sure to include a parameter with the number of colons that the previous post had. For example, if the previous post had four colons (::::), use {{outdent|::::}} or {{outdent|4}}. This makes sure that the line properly connects to the previous post. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 22:14, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Xlnt! Thanks for the correction. Lightbreather (talk) 22:22, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Olive branch

Hey LB, Happy Mother's Day (if that's appropriate to say), I know that you are female, but not much else. You've mentioned that you are an NRA member and that you've been the president of a non-profit.

I'm posting this template for two reasons. First, I'm extending it on my behalf in order to say that I know you are a capable editor and a good writer and I am fairly confident that we can work together if we try to forge an understanding of each other. In fact, things used to be better between us, but I'm not sure where it went off the track. Second, assuming you did not know of its existence, I'm hoping that you will use it as well to reach out to others. It's not a recommendation or even an inference, its just meant to be a peaceful gesture. I'm sharing some "peace" with you... :)

I know what its like to be a passionate editor, I'm guilty of the same. Furthermore, I hope you can agree that its for the good of all (on Misplaced Pages) that passionate people with convictions about any number of topics learn to work together.

Sound good? --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 03:07, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Sharing some experience...

So since we've been working on so many gun related articles, I thought I'd mention something that I've learned the hard way on more than one occasion. This might come across as ridiculously pun-ish, but Misplaced Pages articles are like bullets fired from a gun. Regardless of how well you "aim", once they are created you have no control over the direction they go in or what impact they have on others. I'm not saying this not to placate you, but to hopefully save you from some future stress over it. My attitude towards article creation is that I can't wait for someone else to edit the article as I interpret it as an endorsement of the content I've assembled. This goes for new sections I've created as well.

Does this backfire (or boomerang in Wikispeak) on occasion, sure. But IMO that's what makes the site so great. Other people can take your ideas, modify them, expand on them, and create things that you never imagined. The only truly frustrating part of this is that it takes time which is complicated by the fact that almost no one communicates at the same speed. Patience is by far the most undervalued concept on this site. By the way, something I personally take pride in (in regard to article creation) is the fact that pretty much any article created becomes the highest ranked Google search result for that search term or keyword. If I start typing "assault" into Google, by the time I hit the space bar the top result in my window is the "Federal Assault Weapons Ban" article... :) This is the point where you get the smile to yourself and enjoy the fact that regardless of all the petty BS, bickering, and such that goes on behind the scenes on Misplaced Pages, what we're doing has an affect on the REAL WORLD. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 15:41, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

While I appreciate the friendly gesture, I think it's an example of why we bump heads. When I type "assault weapons ban" in Google and the only Misplaced Pages article that pops up - and on top, at that - is the Federal Assault Weapons Ban that expired 10 years ago, that does not make me smile. The searcher gets the impression, via Google/Wikipedia, that the only ban that ever existed was that defunct one. If it were still in force, that search result might make sense.

Not to cast any shadow on you personally, but after editing here less than a year, I sense that it is no accident that after all these years that old assault weapons ban article is the one that Google and Misplaced Pages searchers finds easily.

Again, though, let's please keep it on content and not get into general discussions. I think that would be for the best. You might be a nice guy that I would have a beer with in real like, but on Misplaced Pages - I just think this would be best. Lightbreather (talk) 16:31, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

OK, I can understand that viewpoint, so let me offer something else. As part of the various volunteer work that I've done, some of it has been on campaigns including a state governor and a congressman. I'm talking about actually working in their campaign offices alongside paid staff people. So I've had access to and have developed an appreciable understanding of how our "actual" political process functions. Granted, Congressional staffers do not look to Misplaced Pages for hard facts, but their constituents do. An article like the Federal ban along with the Assault Weapons Legislation one go a long way to providing information to the people that influence our politicians. This is why our edits are so important and its critical that we get them right.

Even though its expired, having an ever present reminder like the Federal Assault Weapons Ban article isn't as dire as you might think. The fact that it passed once means it can pass again, but it won't be in the same form. Like you've championed so well, it needs updating. But the fact remains that it happened and existed for a decade, what would be worse is to forget about it altogether. I still think you can proud of what you've accomplished. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 17:42, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Your Revert in High-Capacity Magazines

I'm sorry, but while what you put is essentially a direct quote, without the context provided by the reference, using the phrase "generally considered" makes it appear that this is common or expert consensus, instead of a definition applicable to some legislation, which you can see that the reference is clearly applying to by looking at the following:

1) The name of the paper you cited is "Laws on High Capacity Magazines" 2) The only sources it provides are past legislation, two of which define it as something other than ten rounds. 3) If it was talking about general consensus or expert consensus instead of consensus in legislators who are trying to limit magazine capacity, it provided no sources or research to substantiate that claim.

So there are two options:

A) The source is talking about the legislation it cites.

B) It is talking about general consensus. If it is, then it does not provide any sources or research in order to validate that it is general consensus, and is as such not a reliable source for this particular fact.

As such, I am reverting it back to the wording which makes more clear what the research is most likely referring to, namely the legislation it cites as sources.

Also, I am quite confused how you including the NRA when supporting your revert is applicable? My revert isn't about presenting both sides, it's about what the reference is actually talking about. Thank you for your time. Eleutheria Sleuth (talk) 21:01, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Wow...!

This person called me anti-gun...!?!?! I don't know if I should feel complimented or insulted... :) --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 22:08, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Arbitration clarification request(Gun control :Gaijin42)

An arbitration amendment request(Gun control :Gaijin42), which either involved you, or in which you commented, has been archived, because the request was declined.

The original discussion can be found here. For the arbitration committee --S Philbrick(Talk) 23:36, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Notice

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. 208.54.35.173 (talk) 15:22, 15 May 2014 (UTC)