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May 13

Contributions page

Is it possible for anyone to read my user's "Contributions" page? If not, who can read it, and how do they do it? --P123cat1 (talk) 01:32, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Anybody can read your user contributions by going to your userpage and clicking on "user contributions" under "tools" in the side menu. By the way, there is no need to be rude about other people just because they are not aware of of the principles of Misplaced Pages. SpinningSpark 02:03, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, and apologies for my rude comment, which I have removed. --P123cat1 (talk) 02:13, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

@P123cat1: As explained above, anyone can see it. And that comes in very handy especially at pages like this help desk. Say a user comes and asks why all their edits are being removed but doesn't specify what article or edits they're referring to. By looking through their contribs, we can see what article they were editing and then find why the edits were removed. It also comes in handy when dealing with vandals to know what other articles they might have vandalized. Dismas| 07:11, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Creating new categories/subsections in a page

How do I create a subsection in a page such as my User page? Also how do I insert images and arrange the page? Warrenkychu (talk) 04:03, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Warrenkychu. You can use the same code for your userpage as you do for articles and any other pages on Misplaced Pages. If you need to review the code, go to the cheatsheet or the editing tutorial. Just a note about images: Misplaced Pages does not allow fair-use images outside of articles, so check the image description (you can usually find it by clicking on an image) for anything that says "non-free". If there's something that says that, you can't use it. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 04:30, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Warrenkychu (talk) 04:56, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Change my username please

Is there a way to change my username? The one I set up with was just a spurr of the moment rush and I would like to change it to something more mature can you help me change my current username from fantaman88 to wiremanne123

Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by FantaMan88 (talk • contribs) 04:49, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Changing username - though as yet you've not really done anything significant under your existing name, and it would be simpler just to start a new account, and abandon the old one. AndyTheGrump (talk) 05:43, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

your site has double standards

Dustin Lance Black's "owners" won't allow people to add Tom Daley as his boyfriend. But on tom daley's page, black is listed as his boyfriend. how ridiculous this site is becoming. then your admin actually locked black's page.

so i don't know what your site is trying to covey here. why do you contradict yourself? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.198.182.185 (talk) 09:46, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

No one owns the page. It was semi-protected (so any autoconfirmed user (4 days, 10 edits) can edit the article). It was done to promote compliance with the BLP policy. I don't have the time to really look into the situation, but just because other stuff exists doesn't mean it's okay in either place. - Purplewowies (talk) 09:58, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Not double standards, just different people working on different articles and seeing things a little different. Someone was adding poorly sourced negative information about Black so the article was protected so that won't happen. The proper venue when there is a problem with an article is to raise the question in a civil manner on the article's talk page. You can use the {{edit semi-protected}} template to request an edit be the article. If you use that template, please be specific about what changes should be made and give reliable sources to support your proposed changes. GB fan 10:29, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Let me repeat it one more time. this is very simple.

in tom daley's article, he has dustin black as his boyfriend. but in dustin black's page, it is not "allowed" to add tom daley as his boyfriend.

there is absolutely no reason that you can explain why this is happening according to any of your rules.

this kind of stupid double standards is the reason why no one is using wikipedia as a reliable source any more. and the admin who protected that article should be fired for abusing his power. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.198.182.185 (talk) 11:54, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

If you've got a reliable source for the information, it can be added to both articles. (I notice that DLB's article currently has such a line, with two sources.) You'll do better if you don't call the entire site names like 'retarded', and if you check that your claims - both about the encyclopedia and about its subjects - are true before launching a complaint. AlexTiefling (talk) 12:06, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

182.185 I added the information to Dustin Lance Black before I responded to your original post above. I am not sure what your problem is now. GB fan 12:18, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

I think you may have misunderstood the page protection. No-one is saying that the addition of Tom Daley's name is "not allowed" (in the past that might have been the case, because Misplaced Pages doesn't present hearsay as fact, but recently sufficient sources have become available for information to be reported here). The addition of Tom Daley's name was not the reason for the article being locked down - that was due to other violations of Misplaced Pages's (fairly strict!) guidelines on biographies of living people. As an IP editor, I'm afraid that means that no, you couldn't add the information about Daley yourself - but as GB fan has pointed out above, it has now - at your suggestion - been done for you. Yunshui _水 12:20, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

this site is retarded, because it allows the administrators to abuse their powers. such as this one. it is retarded, because when i tried to add the information, my edition was reverted many times. then the admin actually DELETED all my editions for no reason at all!

and for the last few months, many people tried to add the SAME thing, but their changes were all reverted!

who can use wikipedia "rules" to explain to me why my editions were all deleted?

and shouldn't the admin be punished for abusing his/her power? shouldn't that that page be clearned of the protection again?

further, his explicit sex photos story is still not allowed to be added. that happened several years ago. and wikipedia still hasn't added it! and he already won the lawsuit!

and my story of him and Pasadena City College story was also deleted for no particular reason at all! someone should add it, too. you can find plenty of news reports b/w him and PCC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.198.182.185 (talk) 12:46, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

I've blocked this IP. A review of contributions going back several years shows a persistent history of trolling, and the above reply just ices the cake. Yunshui _水 12:53, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Loading a photo to a Misplaced Pages page

Hello,

I would like to load a photo to the page Peter Wilson Writer Peter Wilson (writer)

Can you tell me how to do this?

Thank you, Leister — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leister Freeman (talk • contribs) 10:54, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

If you own the copyright to the photo, or it is in the public domain, you can upload it to Commons. Thanks. James12345 11:06, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

• If you want to upload an image from your computer for use in an article, you must determine the proper license of the image (or whether it is in the public domain). If you know the image is public domain or copyrighted but under a suitable free-license, upload it to the Wikimedia Commons instead of here, so that all projects have access to the image (sign up). If you are unsure of the licensing status, see the file upload wizard for more information. Please also read Misplaced Pages's image use policy.
• If you want to add an image that has already been uploaded to Misplaced Pages or Wikimedia Commons, add ] to the area of the article where you want the image to appear – replacing File name.jpg with the actual file name of the image, and Caption text with a short description of the image. See our picture tutorial for more information. I hope this helps.Template:Z40--ukexpat (talk) 13:03, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Repeating "Cite book" with different page numbers

I know how to use <ref name> in combination with {{cite book}} but I am not sure how to add page numbers when citing different pages in the same book. Iirc, there is an additional little template that adds the page numbers but my search-fu seems to be broken today as I just can't find the help I need. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:31, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

I think the simplest way to do this is using {{rp}} -- John of Reading (talk) 11:36, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that's it! Thanks. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:42, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Assessment tables - Four hundred and four!

Assessment tables used by many WikiProjects have not been working for a week. Clicking on entries in a table produces a Four hundred and four! error message. Who should editors contact to have this rectified? Thanks in advance, XOttawahitech (talk) 12:25, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

I have posted to Misplaced Pages talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index#404 on enwp10 tool. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:27, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

List of most expensive buildings in the world

This List of most expensive buildings in the world doesn't really make any sense, as the "Completed" table sort-of duplicates the table above. It's also part of wikiproject India according to the talk page, which I don't think is valid. However I don't really know where to start with tidying it up, perhaps someone could point it in the direction of a suitably qualified project team? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.254.146.140 (talk) 12:27, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Try wp:WikiProject Architecture or wp:WikiProject Skyscrapers? XOttawahitech (talk) 12:41, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

I see that the list omits the Great Pyramid of Giza, whose construction cost has been estimated as 111 million jugs of beer and 126 million loaves of bread. Maproom (talk) 13:47, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

1. Smith, Craig (June 1999). "Program Management B.C." Civil Engineering Magazine.

Partyfine

I created the page Partyfine for a new french record label as information on its formation and activities are rather scattered. Obviously I thought it was importance but likely did not include enough to merit it being considered of importance. How do I go about getting the article back so I can add more content as so it be reconsidered? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dinkydarko (talk • contribs) 13:29, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

What you would need to add is not so much content, as evidence that the subject is notable. As you have pretty much admitted that it is not (yet) notable, I suggest you give up for now. Maproom (talk) 13:42, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I have restored it to Draft:Partyfine if you think you can satisfy Misplaced Pages:Notability (organizations and companies). PrimeHunter (talk) 13:49, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the replies. I dont think I was trying to suggest that the label at the moment is not notable. I don't think that commercial success should equate to notability. It is notable for its promotion of new French talent and its collaborations between popular producers/DJs and up and coming artists. If you could point me to come more guidance on this, I'll review my submission and decide if I can update to it meet the requirements. Thanks Dinkydarko (talk) 13:58, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

"Notability", as used on Misplaced Pages, is not about commercial success. It is defined at Misplaced Pages:Notability (click on those blue words). Maproom (talk) 16:32, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll read it up before resubmitting. Dinkydarko (talk) 12:41, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

I'd also advise you to read WP:UPANDCOMING as far as those up-and-coming artists. --Orange Mike | Talk 12:44, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

How do I find users cross-language?

Hi,

I'm looking for users in order to talk about photo usage permissions etc. Sometimes they are really hard to track down. I know of this page: Special:ListUsers

But it only finds users in that specific language part of wikipedia. I want to look for explicit user names on all of wikipedia / media / commons etc. Is there a tool for that?

Thanks, Garfunkel Jansen (talk) 13:56, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

You could try Special:CentralAuth. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:01, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Ah yes, that's pretty good. Thank you. It still doesn't find everything though. I'm looking at a talk page for a user right now (Dkaeuferle), but CentralAuth doesn't find anything at all. Any other tools? Garfunkel Jansen (talk) 14:10, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

This finds accounts at commons & dewiki, but the 3 edits were more than 7 years ago. I think that may be where you've been, but I see that you didn't sign your comment at de:Benutzer Diskussion:Dkaeuferle. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:34, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Amazing, that's the tool I was looking for! Stupid of me to forget to sign, I'll update and fix it. I'm looking for a lot of people, working on a educational rpg that's about animals. Lot of work, but this will help me out a great deal. Thanks! Garfunkel Jansen (talk) 14:48, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Primary sources

Hi

I have an article that has been refused on this basis:

This biographical article relies on references to primary sources. Please add references to secondary or tertiary sources. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous or harmful.

The article is about a music band from 30 years ago and they did not feature in any encyclopedias etc and so am not sure what sort of references would be suitable. there are references to a BBC interview that can still be viewed/listened to via the internet.

I can add references to music paper articles but some of which no longer exist (e.g. New music news) and some do (Music Week) - would these be suitable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidpapworth (talk • contribs) 14:15, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes music magazines and similar published sources are ideal. That the magazine no longer exists (in the sense of currently publishing) is of no consequence - physical copies of the magazine almost certainly can be found in libraries and archives. Just be sure to cite the full details of the publication - author, date, magazine title, page number, article title, and soon. If an online archive exists you may add the url as a convenience but it is not essential. However, sometimes such "archives" are in fact copyright violations which must not be linked. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:37, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Recent Deletion of page named "Alere"

Hi Misplaced Pages, Recently a colleague of mine created a page called "Alere" and it was recently deleted. We're trying to get more insight as to the specific reasons why so that we do not make the same mistakes twice. Here's the specific information we received in regards to the deletion:

· 01:35, 17 April 2014 DragonflySixtyseven (talk | contribs) deleted page Alere (unsalvageable mess - start over from scratch, sorry)

Are there guidelines for staying away from "unsalvageable mess" that we can follow so that if we recreate the page it will not violate this rule or others? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainboy3106 (talk • contribs) 14:43, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

It read like a company brochure and was written by in part by User:AlereCorporate - am I right in thinking you also work for Alere? The version that was deleted can be seen by anyone at . However, User:Helen1023 wrote the first version and I'm wondering if User:DragonflySixtyseven might consider restoring that version. You and your colleague (I'll probably block that account under our username policy) need to restrict yourselves to the talk page I think. See WP:COI Dougweller (talk) 15:24, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

WP:UN is advice for User:AlereCorporate if he/she decides to come back.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:23, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Reflinks tool

I would like to double-check that I have uploaded the Reflinks tool onto my .js page correctly, as I am having trouble using it. I tried two ways. (1) I went to User:Dispenser/Reflinks, scrolled down to "User Script", clicked on "edit", copied the code there, and pasted it into my .js page. (2) I even tried copy-pasting the code as it appears under the "User Script" paragraph, but that didn't work either. In both cases, I remembered to press Ctrl and Refresh for Internet Explorer (my browser) as instructed. What, if anything, have I done wrong? --P123cat1 (talk) 14:46, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

There does not seem to be anything wrong with the code you have installed (I copy pasted it into my account just as you have it on your common.js page and it worked fine). What stage are you having a problem with? Do you see the Reflinks link at the bottom of the tools drop-down menu in the sidebar? Does the Reflinks tool open when you click it? What page are you trying to get Reflinks to edit? SpinningSpark 17:32, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. Yes, the Reflinks link appears in the drop-down menu you mention, and when I click it, it does open the "Webreflinks" page; the code then fills in OK, but I can get no further. That page should apparently have the "Save" button at the bottom greyed in and the "Show preview" button not, but on mine it is the other way round. (See the screenshots uploaded last week by Dismas on his Talk page; those were his own screenshots and was trying to help me solve my Reflinks problem.) I can't press "Show preview", which I understand is the next step, because it is greyed in, only "Save" and when I press that, the article comes up in non-edit mode with a red message saying "can't process edit due to loss of data", or words to that effect, "please log out, then log in, and try again". Doesn't work. So I am left with a footnote reflecting the bare URL I put in the article's edit page, not a Reflinks footnote. I battled with trying to get it to work in the Addison Cresswell Wiki article, but failed. The footnote #10 there does actually show as a Reflinks one, but I only achieved that by manually copying the code in the Webreflinks box (the Reflinks tool did manage to come up with the right code) and pasting it in at the appropriate spot in the article's edit page and then saving. So the tool is basically only doing half its job. At one stage in my experiments I kept getting a lot of ##s throughout the text and some red error "cite" messages; the Talk page for Reflinks mentions this can happen with older browsers, but my browser is fairy new, Internet Explorer #9 (2011) or #11 (2013), not sure which, so not old. Can you help out, please? --P123cat1 (talk) 00:36, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Have you tried with a different browser? Say Firefox or Chrome? Dismas| 01:05, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

No, I haven't, I only have IE, and am not savvy enough to download Chrome or Firefox myself. Wish there was a way of finding out if there was a Wiki user who has IE and can make Reflinks work. That's the only sure way of knowing whether IE is the problem or there is a bug in the tool when it is used with IE, though it does look so far as if there is a basic incompatability there. Am hoping SpinningSpark will come back on this. --P123cat1 (talk) 01:37, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Installing a browser is really rather simple. Firefox is available here and Chrome is available here. And you trying a different browser would tell us just as much as someone else using IE. Dismas| 03:51, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I just *shudder* used IE to see what would happen and I ran into the same issue that you have where Save was available but Show Preview was greyed out. Dismas| 04:00, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

The Addison Creswell article no longer has any bare urls so there is nothing for reflinks to do in that article and the "save" option is therefore not offered. I can no longer test directly on that article. In sandbox, however both Firefox and IE11 are working, although in IE you need to press the "save" button instead of "preview", but in both cases you are taken to a normal edit page where you can then save. However, IE littered the article with # characters. IE is apparently a pain for developers, it chooses to do things differently from the rest of the internet and it is quite a frequent problem that things that work on other browsers won't work properly on IE. I agree with Dismas, your best way forward is to try another browser; I use Firefox. You can have more than one browser installed at the same time and they will coexist quite happily so you will be able to go back to using IE any time you want to. Other than that, you can report the problems to User:Dispenser who runs the tool (e-mail is probably best as they do not seem to edit very frequnetly). SpinningSpark 09:35, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Dismas, I will try Firefox. Thanks for the link.

SpinningSpark, I did say the footnote is now a Reflinks one and how I managed to make it so. I have taken out the Reflinks code for footnote #10 and left it with the bare URL. (Readers can still access the article from the altered footnote #10.) Could you try it out now, please? --P123cat1 (talk) 13:02, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

FYI, there are hundreds of articles that have bare URLs as references. There isn't really a need to make another. Dismas| 13:15, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Tried it on the article; same result as my sandbox version (but I didn't actually save anything). Firefox does it nice and clean, but IE litters the article with # characters and breaks all the interwiki links. There is nothing we can do to fix the problems in IE. See this help page for reflinks on the toolserver. It seems that if you really insist on using IE you need to disable XSS, there is a link to a pdf (edit: deadlink) on that page telling you how to do that. Other than that you need to talk to the author of reflinks or Microsoft as appropriate. We can't do anything about it on this help desk. SpinningSpark 13:26, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Dismas: Installed Firefox and Reflinks works perfectly. You say hundreds of articles have bare URLs. I clicked on the link you gave and they recommend not using them since they are vulnerable to link rot, and I have come across many "dead" links in footnotes when copy-editing. If I had known it was so easy to download Firefox, I could have saved myself a lot of bother!

SpinningSpark: Thanks for the tip about being able to run two web-browsers on the same machine, didn't know about that. I will put a short note on the Reflinks talk page to save others the hassle I had and will report the problem to User:Dispenser, in a short note, not the screeds I have written on it on the Help Desk. --P123cat1 (talk) 15:28, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

@P123cat1: I think Dismas meant that you should not have reverted the article to bare url. When he said that there are hundreds of articles with bare urls, he meant there that there are hundreds of bare urls that need fixing, not that bare urls are good, and that you could have used one of them as an example rather than messing up one more article. SpinningSpark 21:11, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Basically, yes. As an example, if I were teaching someone how to slice bread and had many loaves handy, I wouldn't go through the trouble of baking another just to get a loaf to instruct on. I'd pull one of the already baked loaves off the shelf. Dismas| 21:26, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry! I read it too quickly. My logic is failing me today. I only changed the footnote back to its bare URL so SpinningSpark could experiment, as I did when I experimented with Firefox. I would have been uncomfortable leaving it like that, if SpinningSpark hadn't come back so promptly. The footnote is back as it should be now. I have a question about bare URLs, but think I had better put it as a separate request as this thread is getting very long. Could either of you look at it, please? --P123cat1 (talk) 01:02, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Sir Trevor Corry

As a new contributor I am finding the procedures very confusing. I thought my article on Sir Trevor Corry was rejected because the references were mostly from original sources. I queried this but I am not sure I actually managed to send it so this is a repeat of the query: Most of the sources are from letters, wills and legal documents kept at the National Archive in Kew. These sources are very reliable, which cannot be said for much of what is published. I have tried not to include personal opinions and have preferred to quote directly from these sources. There is little in the way of published material to draw on which explains why in felt the need to write this article about a very influential and colourful character of his time and to have the article on Wilkipedia. Since writing the above I have found my article in the Sandbox and it has clearly been worked on by one of your volunteers. They have added some more information which is something I always hoped would come of putting the article on Misplaced Pages. I am therefore not clear if the article has been passed or not. I would like to include some illustrations but so far I have not been able to work out how to so this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by West Marshall (talk • contribs) 14:55, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Firstly, Trevor Corry is not in your sandbox, it is an article which anyone can edit.

Secondly, I trust you have read WP:PRIMARY which includes:- "Do not analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so. Do not base an entire article on primary sources, and be cautious about basing large passages on them". My concern is that you have stated "which cannot be said for much of what is published." - you appear to be dismissing secondary sources, because in your opinion/analysis they are unreliable - is that opinion backed up by reliable secondary sources? or is it your original research and/or synthesis based on the primary material? - Arjayay (talk) 15:08, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

To add to the reply from Arjayay, User:West Marshall/sandbox is now just a redirect to Trevor Corry. If you go to this link, it will let you edit the redirect, and either blank it, or change to a simple link, or replace it by whatever you now want in your sandbox. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David Biddulph (talk • contribs) 15:17, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Having looked at this further, Voceditenore (a very experienced editor) moved it to article space at 09.15 UTC this morning, having resolved many of the referencing and other problems which led it to be refused the first time around. It is now tagged "needs more links to other articles" so it would help if you could integrate it into the encyclopedia by adding such links - if you need guidance on this, please click the blue text in the box at the head of the page. It also needs the dates formatting correctly, which I will do now. - Arjayay (talk) 15:31, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

I have edited the sandbox and converted the redirect to a link to the article.--ukexpat (talk) 15:35, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Geobox River or Infobox River?

Hello, there is a Geobox | River and an Infobox River. Which one should be used in articles? --Pustekuchen2014 (talk) 15:22, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

I think WP:WikiProject Rivers would be the best place to get advice about this. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:13, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Why evertime I'm adding a photographs they are being deleted the day after?

Hello, I have officially uploaded photographs, given the rights, which have been approved. Now I'm adding these files to different pages to improve the quality of the content of these pages. But they keep being deleted the day after. What do I do wrong? Last exemple with this page : Kimbra Many thanks for your help.

Kindest regards, Anaïs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.254.23.208 (talk) 15:47, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

I can't see anything obvious in the edit history of Kimbra; could you please give us a diff to where you added the photo or where it was deleted? On some other pages I see that your captions included external links to the photographer's website, so things may have been deleted as advertising. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:34, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict)There is no indication that any photos have been added to, or deleted from Kimbra in the last month - either from the IP address you are currently using, or from any other address.

Having looked at the edits you have made today, the biggest problem is that you are adding your company name and a link to your website under the photos. This contravenes several policies - not only that we do not allow advertisements anywhere, or External Links in articles, but also that we do not give photo-credits in articles either. The attribution, required under the "Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported" license, is that your name appears on the file page image. Your adding of such links to articles, is, therefore, seen as spam, and whilst some editors will just remove the advertisement, (as I did at Florence and the Machine) others will delete the entire addition, labeling it "Spam" as at Six60. Arjayay (talk) 16:46, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Ok I understand, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.254.23.208 (talk) 19:14, 13 May 2014 (UTC) Just wondering : does Misplaced Pages allows article author credit? Why photo credit is considered as advertising? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.254.23.208 (talk) 22:24, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages generally does not give article author credit within articles either. From a practical standpoint, this is because Misplaced Pages articles tend to have many authors; it would be almost impossible to credit each one. If content is copied from one Misplaced Pages article to another, credit is given to the original article (not individual authors), and it will be noted on the talk page or in the edit summary (copying within Misplaced Pages). Similarly, people who wish to use content from Misplaced Pages, they only need to credit the article (reusing Misplaced Pages content). Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 02:40, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Booking

DEAR, we received 02 conf for 01 booking please advise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.50.9.78 (talk) 16:29, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.9 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Misplaced Pages, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Misplaced Pages itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. - Arjayay (talk) 16:32, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

History merge question

Dear editors: I have asked this before, but haven't received a definitive answer. If a draft article has been created, but not moved to mainspace, and then later a mainspace article is later made, with no overlapping history, by another editor, and not by copy-pasting, is it ever appropriate to history merge the two? Or is history merging intended only for copy-paste incidents? I give as an example these two pages (1) Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Goodnight, Sunrise and (2) Goodnight, Sunrise, but I would like a general answer.

I intend to move content from the draft to the mainspace article and add citations to sources that I found myself. If the history merge is not an appropriate way to preserve attribution I will create a redirect. —Anne Delong (talk) 16:52, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

In general, I think the answer would be no, it is not appropriate to histmerge. That would give the entirely false impression that the latter article was built on the former. However, I could see cases where there was absolutely no intersection between the two articles. Say, one article wrote about the tours of a band and the other wrote about the history. If there was no overlapping history, I might merge in those circumstances.

In the particular example you give, I am at a bit of a loss why you even think a histmerge would be useful. The mainspace article largely has the information contained in the draft. You say you have found references yourself for additional infomation? So you are writing from the references, not from the draft article (although the draft may have prompted you to go look) and it would be quite legitimate to add the information as your own work.

For attribution purposes in some cases it may be appropriate to move the draft article to a sub-page of the mainspace talk page and link it in an edit summary to the article. It will be safer there than in draft space. But again, I don't see any great need to do so in this case. SpinningSpark 17:55, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

You may be right about that draft; I had intended to keep the wording from the original editor because I hate to see people's work wasted. It probably wouldn't save time and may not be worth the trouble. However, your answer seems to indicate that you were basing it on common sense (a great thing to do, of course!) I was hoping that there was a policy page or at least an essay about this so that I wouldn't always be guessing if I was doing it correctly. —Anne Delong (talk) 19:18, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

WP:PV (part of WP:HISTMERGE), perhaps? Bencherlite 19:25, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

@Anne Delong: This is a WP:MERGE issue and the governing guideline is Misplaced Pages:Copying within Misplaced Pages. As I indicated above, it would be quite exceptional, and outside the scope of the guideline, to address the issue with the WP:HISTMERGE process. SpinningSpark 10:21, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

PS, the list of authors method at WP:PATT may be the best solution to your problem. SpinningSpark 10:29, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks to you all for the guidance. —Anne Delong (talk) 17:26, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Edit button dysfunctional (possible bug)

I wanted to add a sentence to the page about algorithm, but the edit button did not function. My device uses iOS 6, and I am currently using the default safari browser. Could anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong here, or if it is on the server side, please fix it (or inform someone who can). Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inecrafterz (talk • contribs) 18:55, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Try asking at WP:VPT if you haven't already.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:05, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Up loading a picture to change the current "Bhagavad-Gita As It is" article

Bhagavad-Gītā as It Is (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I have a picture of an older edition front cover (1972) Bhagavad-Gita As It Is (Collier-Macmillan edition) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khnum02 (talk • contribs) 21:16, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

That is going to be in copyright. We cannot use copyrighted material except in very limited circumstances. see WP:Fair use. As the article already has two non-free images that is probably already one too many. You cannot upload a non-free image to Misplaced Pages without a fair-use rationale for the article it is to be used in. Since you currently cannot use it in an article you cannot upload it. The only possible way forward is to discuss this on the article talk page where it might be agreed that your image could replace one of the existing images. SpinningSpark 22:53, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

May 14

Added Hard Hat Records to the list of record labels

Hello, I have attempted to add our record label name Hard Hat Records, a Reg. Trademark, to the list of Misplaced Pages Record labels, but I have been unsuccessful in doing so, please tell me what I am doing wrong. Hard Hat Records is an old well established record label.

Thank you for your assistance,

Bobby Lee Cude,Hard Hat Records ,Reg Trademark — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hardhatrecords (talk • contribs) 01:13, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

You shouldnt be adding content about your company directly to articles because you have a conflict of interest. In order to be successful at adding content about your company you should provide reliably published third party sources about the company and its relevance to an article on the article's talk page for a neutral party to evaluate and determine whether its appropriate to include or not. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 01:30, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

It was added to List of record labels. This is just a page for splitting up the list into smaller sections. It would go on List of record labels: A–H after we have an article. Notability would need to be established and that is done through writing the article. You should not write the article or do any editing concerning Hard Hat Records as you have a conflict of interest. Note:I have blocked the username as it is a corporate name GB fan 01:34, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Added closing brackets to a link in the preceding, to correct its formatting. --ColinFine (talk) 08:03, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

United states senate missing from your page

hi you have a U.S. senate candidate missing from South Dakota

he is an independent candidate running out of Black Hawk SD

WWW.claytongwalker.us — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.107.152.182 (talk) 01:35, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

if reliable third party sources have given this candidate significant coverage, then you can help improve the encyclopedia by adding information. If they havent then we dont become a publicity arm for the campaign. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 02:46, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

See also WP:POLITICIAN - not every candidate for political office is notable.--ukexpat (talk) 13:38, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Unbiased Information?

Whenever the term 'objective' or 'unbiased' is identified with an on-line site I begin to to question whether that can be appropriately labeled as such. That applies both to the contributions and editing. It is not necessarily whether the content is questionable but the way it is written. I would say that most of the content of Misplaced Pages has a liberal bias to it. The way the articles are written certainly are. I have yet to find the content of any of the biographies I have read being made from a more conservative, or alternative point of view. Rather there seems to be a leaning toward a lack of objectivity. There are very few writers that can leave out their personal biases. Objectivity is very rarely possible. I find myself bombarded by point of view discrimination in the biographies I have found on this site. Therefore I find myself less informed by what I have read because the point of view of the contributor. I can no longer count on Misplaced Pages for accuracy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8:A400:B03:A454:365:8BCB:84E1 (talk) 01:39, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Do you have even a single example to demonstrate your point? AlexTiefling (talk) 01:54, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

If it helps, we have BLP, NPOV, and other policies that deal with how to write more objectively. - Purplewowies (talk) 02:39, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

You may prefer Conservapedia to Misplaced Pages. It is not affiliated with Misplaced Pages, and does not have a liberal bias. Maproom (talk) 06:26, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Mobile view turn off

How does one switch off the mandatory mobile view on Android devices using Opera? —Xojo (talk) 02:15, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Should be a link somewhere near the bottom to go to desktop view, but depending on your version of Opera, it may not want to take. - Purplewowies (talk) 02:37, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I use the Desktop link now, every time I make a WP query. How do I get the desktop view automatically, first thing, without having to scroll to the bottom of the page and choose the Desktop link, directly from my query or directly from following a link to WP? —Xojo (talk) 18:50, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I find Chrome to be a better browser on Android - I even occasionally edit WP on my tab - but not my phone, its screen is simply too small. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:11, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I also find Chrome a better browser. Right now, Opera is a poor, crippled, brain-damaged imitation of Chrome, which, nevertheless, for a variety of reasons, I must use--thus the question about Opera rather than Chrome. Is there a way using Opera Android to get the WP desktop view directly and immediately? —Xojo (talk) 18:50, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

What is this page?

What is this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.111.57.104 (talk) 03:33, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello. This page is a help desk for people who wish to use or contribute to Misplaced Pages. If you have another question, ask below by editing this page again. You can make test edits at the sandbox. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 06:09, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

maharashtra

your wait for the sarkari deparment reqwastaed in maharashtra fo job iin which to apley for in job. the of goverment in taking .<ref name=deriyo group=dehradun>{{cite journal|last=subhash|first=subhash|coauthors=goverment|title=the goverment|journal=education|date=1/5/2014|volume=managment|series=line -1|issue=looking after|page=1|pages=1|doi=event|pmid=vnns|url=htpp//www.goverment|accessdate=13/52014}}</ref> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.19.212.13 (talk) 07:02, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Misplaced Pages, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Misplaced Pages itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.Template:Z25 -- John of Reading (talk) 07:33, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Fixing a Title

I would like to capitalize a letter in the title of an article I started - Muskrat french. How do I capitalize the 'f'? I have been unable to change the title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlaforest (talk • contribs) 07:09, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

You do this my moving the page to its new title: see Help:How to move a page. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:35, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I have moved the page to Muskrat French. Maproom (talk) 07:58, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

secondary or tertiary sources

Hi

I have an article that has been refused on this basis:

This biographical article relies on references to primary sources. Please add references to secondary or tertiary sources. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous or harmful.

The article is about a music band from 30 years ago and they did not feature in any encyclopedias etc and so am not sure what sort of references would be suitable. there are references to a BBC interview that can still be viewed/listened to via the internet.

I can add references to music paper articles but some of which no longer exist (e.g. New music news) and some do (Music Week) - would these be suitable as sources? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidpapworth (talk • contribs) 10:32, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Paper articles are OK, as long as they refer to the band in a way that suggests it did something notable, rather than merely exist. From the sounds of things, this mysterious band from decades ago which didn't feature in any enyclopedias maybe shouldn't. They can't all be moderately famous. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:38, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Citing pdf files

When I find a useful source via Google in the form of a pdf file, I sometimes have great difficulty finding a suitable url to include in the citation. For example, today I have cited a paper "A defense of the caridoid facies; wherein the early evolution of the eumalacostraca is discussed" in the article Eumalacostraca, but if I click on the link, I get an error 404 message. Can you advise? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:27, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Seems you had an ellipsis where a bunch of gibberish should have been. I've replaced the gibberish, and it works for me. Give it a go? By the way, thanks for indirectly teaching me what a lophogastrid is. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:37, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, that works for me. I'm glad you learnt something useful! The trouble is, I have had this problem before and I no doubt will again, and I don't know how to sort it out myself. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:18, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

It appears that you are copying the url from the green line on the google results page. If this is too long, google shortens it with an ellipsis. You should instead copy the url from the address bar when you are actually on the page you want to link. You are guaranteed to have the right url that way. SpinningSpark 13:52, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I have had trouble when using the default PDF reader that comes with Windows 8, because it opens as a separate app and there is no URL showing. In that case, I have found that if, while viewing the search engine results, I right-click on the item I am interested in, a list of options appears. In Firefox, one of the options is "Copy link location". Choosing that copies the correct URL to my paste buffer, and then I can paste it into a citation. I haven't tried this with other browsers, but there is likely something similar. —Anne Delong (talk) 14:05, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

By the way, it is preferable not to link directly to pdfs if at all possible, as this will cause difficulties for some readers. For instance it is much better to link to this page (Bell System Technical Journal vol.3) where the user can decide if they want to load the full pdf, the online reader, or plain text versions, or a bunch of other formats. The user may not want to download the full document at all—they may just have wanted the citation information, or the abstract. SpinningSpark 17:32, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll see what I can do. Sometimes it is possible to shorten the url until you get to a page from which you can access the pdf file, right clicking it to obtain the link. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:16, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Password.

I have forgotten my password for logging in to Misplaced Pages. Misplaced Pages has said it sent me a new password yesterday. It didn't. I asked for a new one today and was told that since one was sent yesterday no help can be given until the 24 hours is up. I have still not received a new password. What now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hogbog (talk • contribs) 12:59, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Have you checked your e-mail spam folder? Some spam filters are too aggressive and catch Misplaced Pages e-mails. Failing that, are you sure that you still have access to the e-mail address that you originally submitted?--ukexpat (talk) 13:42, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

@Hogbog - I see you were logged in when you posted the question. I'm not sure but I think if you are still logged in you can probably change your user details without having to first get an email. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:20, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

The account was created today only nine minutes before its only edit which was to this page. I assume that is a temporary account for the purpose of asking for help. SpinningSpark 15:08, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Not sure if its been fixed but there was a problem sending Password resets a few weeks ago. It may have raised its head again. - X201 (talk) 15:20, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Typo in category header

HI,

In attempting to create a new category called "Villas in the United States," in attempting to follow the template I mistakenly created one titled "Villas by United States." How do I delete this incorrectly titled category?

Thanks.

Casoulman (talk) 13:34, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Normally, you can add a speedy deletion template, like {{db-c2}}. But I have already removed the page for you. — Edokter (talk) — 13:43, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Great, thanks!

Casoulman (talk) 13:51, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Restrictions on who can edit a page

I am creating a page for a Professor and want to only have certain information on the wiki entry. Other sources are editing the page constantly and taking down or adding detail that is not necessarily wanted. Rather than having to update the page regularly to regulate - can put any restrictions on who can edit the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.159.84 (talk) 14:17, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

No, neither you nor the professor have any right to "regulate" the content of the page. Anyone is welcome to edit it as long as the content they add is properly sourced. The only specific protection the subject of an article has is stipulated in the WP:BLP policy. Attempts to "regulate" the article content will be regarded as unconstructive editing for which you could be blocked. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:25, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) No, there are not. But among the people who usually should not edit a page are the subject of the page, and their friends, relatives, colleagues and employees. This is an encycylopaedia, not a directory: we have articles only on subjects (including people) who meet our requirements for notability (generally, that independent reliable sources have written about them), and the articles are neutral and confined to information from reliable published sources. If you are working for the professor in question, then you have a conflict of interest, and you are strongly discouraged from editing the page - you are welcome to make suggestions on that article's talk page, but neither you nor the Professor have any say on what actually goes on the page. --ColinFine (talk) 14:30, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Question about lead sentences in Misplaced Pages articles

Many – perhaps most – Misplaced Pages articles begin with a lead sentence that contains the BOLDED title of the article. For example, see 2014 World Snooker Championship. However, every so often, I see "hidden comments" within an article's editing space that state: "<!-- Per MOS:BOLDTITLE and WP:SBE, neither the article's title nor related text appears in bold. -->". For example, see 2014 Soma mine disaster. So, what's the deal? And which is it exactly? If indeed that's the Misplaced Pages policy (that the article title should NOT be bolded in the article's first sentence), then why does that occur in nearly all articles? And why do some editors – seemingly arbitrarily – select a minority of articles to enforce this "rule"? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:11, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

It shouldn't be arbitrary, per MOS:BOLDTITLE

• If the article's title does not lend itself to being used easily and naturally in the opening sentence, the wording should not be distorted in an effort to include it. Instead, simply describe the subject in normal English, avoiding unnecessary redundancy:

The example they then give isn't bolded. Also the MOS doesn't have to be followed if doing so yields an awkward result.AioftheStorm (talk) 16:28, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Also explained at Misplaced Pages:LEAD#Format_of_the_first_sentence.--Shantavira| 16:34, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:05, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Insurance Policy

I have an insurance policy From The Union Central Life insurance Company from Cincinnati, Ohio and i am looking for a phone number to call and find out if the policy still exsist. Can You help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.125.23 (talk) 21:04, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.9 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Misplaced Pages, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Misplaced Pages itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Dismas| 21:13, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Anyway, Unioncentral.com has their contact details. DuncanHill (talk) 21:20, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

add external link to my Misplaced Pages biography

my question is how do I add an external link to my biography on Misplaced Pages?. The link is an INET video of me giving a seminar at the University of Chicago — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.178.168.202 (talk) 21:38, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Add an entry to the talk page of your biography explaining what you want adding, and why, and someone without a conflict of interest will review it and decide whether it merits inclusion. Rojomoke (talk) 22:16, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Reference in a foreign language

Is there a tag to attach to references which are in a foreign language? DuncanHill (talk) 22:01, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

You are not required to, but if you use a citation template like

{{cite web | last = | first = | authorlink = | coauthors = | title = | work = | publisher = | date = | url = | format = | doi = | accessdate = 14 May 2014 }}

you can add in the parameter

| language = 

anywhere in the template and then either type the name of the language or the language code (en, de, ru...) into the parameter. Altamel (talk) 22:59, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks - there's a reference in an article I've got my eye on which is in German, and no translation has been provided. I'll see if I can add a language field to the citation. DuncanHill (talk) 23:52, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

If you are adding a reference to a source in another language, it might be a good idea to quote the relevant text from the source, and perhaps even add a translation (marked "Translation added"). --ColinFine (talk) 18:08, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

To add to Colin's advice, the guidance is at WP:NOENG. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:12, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

May 15

Bare URLs

What exactly is a bare URL? When using Reflinks, I stripped down the URL of a newspaper to enter it into the edit text thus: the address in the address bar was "http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2619398/Comedy-super-agent-managed-Jonathan-Ross-Michael-McIntyre-died-heart-attack-snorting-cocaine-inquest-hears.html" which I cut down to "http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2619398" to make a bare URL (and it worked for Reflinks). But what about "http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/science/index.cfm?SciencePageID=55", for example, or "http://www.infowars.com/howard-stern-on-alex-jones-vs-piers-morgan-debate/" or https://ejournals.library.ualberta.ca/index.php/complicity/article/viewFile/8737/7057? Those were addresses that came up in the address bar for three items picked randomly from Google. I wouldn't have a clue how to turn those into bare URLs. I looked up WP:BARE URL and it doesn't say anything about the sort of stripping down I did, it just seems to suggest that the whole address in an address bar is a "bare" URL. Is that right, wrong, or what? -- P123cat1 (talk) 01:15, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

That's correct. They are bare. Bare just means without extra text or markup or anything. So whatever is in the address bar. Something like <ref></ref> would not be bare because it also contains some plain text. But all the links you provided are bare. Dismas| 01:31, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

You say, "So whatever is in the address bar". Just to be absolutely sure, if I had inserted the full address in the address bar "http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2619398/Comedy-super-agent-managed-Jonathan-Ross-Michael-McIntyre-died-heart-attack-snorting-cocaine-inquest-hears.html" into the text, it would not have worked because "Comedy-super-agent-managed-Jonathan-Ross-Michael-McIntyre-died-heart-attack-snorting-cocaine-inquest-hears" is "plain" text? --P123cat1 (talk) 09:11, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Comedy-super-agent etc is part of the address. You can spot them because they don't contain any spaces. As soon as you see a space you know the URL has finished. e.g. The added bonus with that address is that it ends with .html which is a big giveaway and something you could look for. - X201 (talk) 10:02, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Also you can always put a link you're unsure about on your user page/sandbox and run reflinks on it there as a test. - X201 (talk) 10:15, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, that is clear now. .--P123cat1 (talk) 11:42, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Portal:Current events

Someone has entered an event on this page which is not inside the box for any date. I don't see where the new date box comes from so I don't see what went wrong.Rmhermen (talk) 01:18, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

 Fixed with this edit. The stray text was transcluded from Portal:Current events/2014 May 15, which didn't have the box template. Thanks for bring it up! ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 02:14, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Bibliography template questions.

Hello, I recently created a template for references in the article The Rules of the Game. I have a lot more handwritten notes that I need to edit and transcribe. The template is accurate for all of the books that I used to takes notes, but I was wondering if and how I could use the same template for notes that are derived from a DVD. Specifically from the Criterion Collection DVD, which includes both Special Features and Linear Notes. Just hoping for some suggestions. Thanks.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 02:01, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Deoliveirafan, thanks for your contributions! To answer your question, I'm afraid that {{sfn}} is only for books. If you want to cite a DVD, use <ref>{{cite AV media|...}}</ref> instead. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 02:45, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Factual Error

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I keep fixing a line in the introduction of the "Cotopaxi" article. I'm an undergrad who studied abroad in Ecuador, studied their geology, climbed and studied Cotopaxi, and according to most geological survey's definition of "active" (having erupted within 100yr) it's considered (and has been for a long time) the world's largest active volcano. I've reedited this multiple times with multiple sources to back up my edition but it get's reverted back each time. Either some other user is eager to alter this fact or I'm wrong (doubt it, based on the overwhelming consensus of geologists on the issue) or it's simply an unknown or disputed matter. In any case please check it out. I'd appreciate even a "disputed claim" header somewhere, even though it basically all boils down to semantics and the definition of active. Nevertheless, the people of Ecuador and most AMerican geologists acknowledge Cotopaxi to be the world's tallest "active" volcano, and I'd like the article to reflect that fact haha. Thanks much! JD — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.211.106.134 (talk) 02:20, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi JD - I'd take a look at talk page of Cotopaxi, and see what has been previously said about it. The user(s) reverting your edits have cited the talk page as having the reasoning behind the reversions. If you disagree with whatever is on the talk page, you may wish to start a new topic there to discus the issue, and let the users who reverted your edits know that you wish to discuss it on their respective talk pages. You can see the history of the article by clicking the "View history" tab at the top of the page (or just click here). ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 02:32, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Other sources quite obviously disagree here. This is a perfect example of why we have a neutral point of view policy — when sources disagree on the question, we teach the controversy instead of accepting one position and rejecting the other one. Project policy demands that we mention the dispute, so with that in mind, the best thing is to say basically "Some say it's highest, and some say it's Ll..." Nyttend (talk) 05:18, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

It is unclear to me what it is that you are disputing. Do you believe that Llullaillaco is not taller, or that it is not an active volcano? Maproom (talk) 07:20, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

He's disputing the identification of Llullaillaco as an active volcano. Nyttend (talk) 11:48, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Ok. In that case, the current state of the opening paragraph seems an excellent compromise. Maproom (talk) 13:09, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

I am one of the people who do reverts, and by the way, if we're getting into credentials, mine are a Ph.D. in chemistry who has studied volcanic plumes and ashfall for much of the last thirty years, and I bloody well know the literature. It is quite easy to dig into the literature and come up with numerous citations (for example, regarding Sabancaya, definitely higher than Cotopaxi and illustrated with a photo of a more recent eruption than Cotopaxi's in the WP article) that utterly convincingly refute the contention that Cotopaxi is the world's highest active volcano. This contention is outdated (it appeared in stuff I read as a kid 50 years ago) and no longer reflects, in any way, the current state of understanding in the volcanological community. When information on a subject becomes outdated, it should be replaced by more modern information, possibly with an historical note. That's the way this subject is. -- Bill-on-the-Hill (talk) 13:42, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Correction to date of birth

Vince Lester Former member of Australian parliament Born in 1939 not 1929 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.91.227.155 (talk) 03:53, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done. Found , which supports this and added it to the page. Thanks for the note. Connormah (talk) 04:04, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Searching articles created

Is there a way of searching the articles I have created that shows results sorted by importance and/or rating (stub, start, C, B, etc)? Hack (talk) 03:58, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

You can get a list of articles you have created sorted by date here. I don't know of any way of sorting the list by article class or importance other than a . SpinningSpark 15:37, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Inter-wiki links

I am editing the article Talgo, a Spanish train manufacturer. However, I found that the term is ambiguous, and it means both the company as well as a type of train produced by the company. I found that the current page in English wikipedia, talking about the company, links to the wrong wikipedia pages in Catalonia, German, Spanish, Euskara and Nederlands Misplaced Pages pages, since they are articles about the type of train, instead of the company. In these wikipedias, there exist two related articles, one about the company and one about the type of train. The current English wikipedia page should link to the former rather that the latter.

I tried to edit the links at the English wikipedia page but it was said that an error occurred, no matter I tried to edit the links directly or I tried to removing them first. Can anyone help?

The articles that should be linked are:

• Catalonia: Patentes Talgo
• German: Patentes Talgo
• Spanish: Talgo (empresa)
• Euskara: Talgo (enpresa)
• Nederlands: Talgo (bedrijf)

The articles (concerning the type of trains) that should be linked to each other but not to the current English page are:

• Catalonia: Talgo
• German: Talgo
• Spanish: Talgo
• Euskara: Talgo
• Nederlands: Talgo

Thanks, Salt (talk) 10:03, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Fixed at Wikidata. I clicked "Edit links" at Talgo to get to the Wikidata page. There I clicked "Edit" at the enwiki entry, clicked "move" and entered Q1100969 which is the Wikidata ID I got to from de:Patentes Talgo. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:59, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Copying a Misplaced Pages article

Is there any way, apart from printing out or taking screenshots, of saving a copy of a Misplaced Pages article before starting to copy-edit it? It would be very useful to be able to compare the original version as a whole with the final edited version. I find using the "User Contribution" and "View history" pages extremely fiddly to work with when trying to see the original state of the article. There seems to be no way on these pages that the whole of the article can be viewed in its original state, or perhaps I have missed something. --P123cat1 (talk) 15:30, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

In broad terms, the whole of the article can be viewed in its original state just by clicking the relevant link in the history. The foregoing has its limitations, in that changes to embodied templates or images will mean that what we see now isn't the same as what would have been seen at the relevant time in the past. Perhaps I don't understand the question which you are asking? Are you saying that you want something equivalent to diff but showing the difference in how the page is rendered rather than difference in the wikicode? If so, I doubt whether it is possible because it will be rendered differently for different readers. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:00, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Just to make that clear, clicking on the date of the version you want in the history will show you the old version of the article. SpinningSpark 16:05, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "original state" - If you mean, the article as it stood before you started carrying out incremental alterations, then try opening the article in two separate windows, before you start editing, and only edit one window (that can be harder than it sounds). The unedited version will remain "as was" until you refresh or re-load that version of the page, whatever you do to the one you are editing. In many browsers e.g. IE, you can set the two versions side by side for line by line comparison - I often do this when dealing with lists including red and green links - you can de-link the red ones, and re-link the green ones, very easily. - Arjayay (talk) 16:14, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I am new to Wiki editing and onscreen work (not editing) and have used your method in a limited way, Arjayay, (I have IE) but cannot edit a whole article in one sitting, so have to save before I can come back to it, which means losing the "original" version, i.e. the article as it stood just before I started working on it. I want to be able to see the text of the whole article, in one clear run, as it was before I started on it, and it is the wording rather than the wikicode that I want to see. I don't mind if it is one of the diff versions in the "View history" pages, because I can set that beside the final version in normal view. How do I pinpoint the version in the diff list that will give me that clear run of the "original" article from beginning to end? I looked at the Wiki Help on the history pages but it didn't help. If you can find the version I am after, could you tell me what you pressed ("curr" or "prev") and the date and time? --P123cat1 (talk) 18:40, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

You mean like this ? (Go to "history", find the date you want to see, and click on the date), or like this (go to history, find the dates you want to compare, click the circle in front of both and click "compare selected versions")? Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 19:05, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Perfect! Problem solved. Both versions are useful. Thanks. --P123cat1 (talk) 20:18, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

User:182.225.181.183's recent edits

182.225.181.183 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Would someone who understands the subject matter please review this IP's recent edits. The have made some edits to articles, including changing articles into redirects, that do not appear to me to be correct. I am a lawyer not an economist so I don't have the confidence to edit or revert further, though I did roll back the edits to List of countries by distribution of wealth which did not appear to me to be appropriate. Thanks.--ukexpat (talk) 15:31, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

I reverted the other (as well as the removals of the redirects on the navbox) on the basis that the redirect was undiscussed and the articles aren't really duplicates so far as I can tell, so the summary on the redirect was unclear. - Purplewowies (talk) 19:12, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Recent changes of articles in category

How can I view all recent changes of articles in a certain category including articles in all subcategories.

For example, if I use Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:Video games it only shows changes of articles of the main category but not of articles in subcategories. --Fluffystar (talk) 16:29, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

@Fluffystar: I don't think there is a way to do this, but for the example you give there is a workaround. Most video game articles have been tagged by Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Video games, so their talk pages contain a link back to the project page. Thus you can use Special:RecentChangesLinked/Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games to see the most recent changes to any of them. You may want to filter that list to show only articles. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:11, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Article Gone

My article on Green Status Pro is missing or deleted. I think? It is not in the deletion list and there is no history. I just disappeared after being published and waiting for approval for over a month. It looks like it was never there? Any help would be great. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steven correia (talk • contribs) 19:59, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

This is the only edit your account has saved. I guess you refer to Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Green Status Pro which was created by User:Steve Correia. It is still waiting to be reviewed. There is a large backlog. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:07, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

However, it is likely to be rejected when it is reviewed unless some serious work gets done to it in the meantime. I predict that it will be rejected for either or both of "reads like an advert" or "references do not adequately evidence the subject's notability. Please follow the links for further information on how you could improve the submission. SpinningSpark 20:28, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Elaine Brown Misplaced Pages Page

Elaine Brown (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I have attempted to edit the Misplaced Pages page regarding my mother Elaine Brown. My edits are not accepted and I would like to take down the page to replace with accurate information. I've made several attempts to remove the bigot-based accusations, unfounded sexist attacks and libelous agent provocateur racist inaccuracies. From small errors (Misspelling my name and having my grandmother's name incorrect) to fabricated lies in the fashion of J. Edgar Hoover. I would like a reply about removing the page entirely or edited to reflect reality. If that is not possible I would like to know why not, and who is the author of this page of lies, slander and error so that I might address them directly. If the coward will not discuss this page with me, nor take it down, I would like to know my options for dealing with this type of hatred for women of color, and why Misplaced Pages would promote this kind of hatred of black women.

20:25, 15 May 2014 (UTC) --Ericka88 (talk) 20:25, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Please discuss the substantive changes on the article's talk page, Talk:Elaine Brown. In the meantime I have removed the completely unsourced section.--ukexpat (talk) 20:33, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Regarding the question of who the author is, it may have been more than one person who added the information you consider inaccurate or unflattering. To find out who, in order to discuss the situation, you can click on "View history" at the top of the page. You can click on any date to see a past version, and if the problems are not present in that past version, you can click on "diff" and then "next edit" until you see the questionable edit or edits in a "diff" (Added text appears on the right side).— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:40, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Please also be aware, Ericka88, that this article is now being discussed at the Biographies of living persons noticeboard and most editors commenting there agree that the article has had serious problems. Cullen Let's discuss it 21:20, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Yuri Kovchegov and formulas

I added a research section to the above article, but I have difficulty to move the formula from reliable source to the Misplaced Pages page. I think either the site is protected or I just don't know how to put it into Misplaced Pages. Can someone please help me? Will appreciate any advise.--Mishae (talk) 21:36, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

The article on Yuri Kovchegov is not protected. Misplaced Pages:MATH gives guidance on how to use the <math> tags which Misplaced Pages uses to format mathematical formulae. Maproom (talk) 22:14, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Presumably, this is a WP:copyvio, even if it was apparently added by the organisation?

I'm working on Scottish Ballet, adding references. I've just discovered that the section on their Headquarters is a copy from here. Presumably that's a copyvio even though it was apparently by the copyright owner? If so, I'll probably revert it to the previous version and use the link as a reference, probably added a few points.--Otus scops (talk) 22:09, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

You seem to be asserting it is a copyright violation to copy from one version of a Misplaced Pages article to another. If you are asserting material was copied into Misplaced Pages from an external source, please specify the external source. Jc3s5h (talk) 22:15, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Google finds the same text here. I will delete have deleted the section as a copyvio. Maproom (talk) 22:20, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry - I've fixed the "here" link above (to their own website). Thanks Maproom - I've no idea if britishdanceedition wrote it or copied it, but presumably it's a copyvio even if it originated with ScottistBallet.co.uk? Looking a bit more at their changes, they appear to have changed quite a lot, removing some historic information. I'm tempted to reinstate the historic information too.--Otus scops (talk) 22:24, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Material copied from elsewhere is generally a copyvio, even if the owner of the copyright is the one doing the copying, unless they have explicitly donated it. Material copied from another website is not often appropriate in tone for Misplaced Pages anyway. --ColinFine (talk) 08:46, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Is there a way to see the former content of deleted articles?

Is there a way to see what content a deleted article included? Thanks in advance. Voyaging 22:15, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Only administrators, checkusers, and oversighters can view or restore deleted content. There are a few options for regular editors, though:

• If you'd like an article's content restored to your userspace, you can make a request at Misplaced Pages:Requests for undeletion (assuming the deleted content wasn't an attack page, copyright violation, etc.)
• If the article was fairly established and was around for a while, the Wayback Machine may have an archived copy of the page.
• Deletionpedia.org may also have the article; I'm not sure how inclusive Deletionpedia is, though, or if it is even active anymore.

Hope this helps. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 22:21, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

This is very helpful, thanks! Voyaging 22:23, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

The original Deletionpedia has shut down (Superhamster's link is dead), but has been reincarnated here. SpinningSpark 00:59, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

There's nothing I know of that we can do about sites like Deletionpedia but it and some others like it enshrine copyvios, defamatory attack pages, utterly incorrect, unsourced biased information, hoaxes, blatant advertising, utterly non-notable subjects, mixes of the all of the above and more. There's good reason deleted content is not accessible to view here and these end runs should be burned to the ground with extreme prejudice, should not be linked to and we should not be giving advice about where they are.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:34, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Editing the Definition of a Circle

I am new to Misplaced Pages and it's provided me with much knowledge. My query concerns the definition of a circle. A circle is defined as; a point revolving around a point(Misplaced Pages;Circle;Definition). I felt the need to add to the meaning by describing a circle as; the shortest distance between two points, whereas those points remained an equal and opposite distance apart. In the formal meaning of such an elemental geometry, it is important to be precise. Certain aspects of science have the need to be updated. Even though I have no formal references, I ask you to put the latter meaning to the test as it describes more scientific aspects of ratio's and geometric patterns. An example includes a tetrahedron, which has no centre point, yet when it revolves at a balanced rate to form a sphere, there is no point revolving around a point. The circular definition must be more elliptical as the second, updated description provides, Thank-you Fridayjunior (talk) 23:32, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure that your definition is either 'precise' nor particularly clear - but in any case, Misplaced Pages is based on material which can be cited to published references. We do not include contributor's own definitions. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:44, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for identifying a poorly written part of that article. I've added the definition from Euclid's Elements. It's stood the test of time.LeadSongDog come howl! 01:46, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

May 16

Getting rid of an error message

I keep getting "AFCH error: user not listed" when I go to my user page. How can I get rid of it. (I'm not particularly interested in being an active AfC reviewer.) Clarityfiend (talk) 00:03, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Somehow the gadget must have been checked in your preferences. Go to your Preferences > Gadgets and uncheck the box for AFC. Dismas| 00:08, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:20, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Citation needed notices

I put a "citation needed" notice on an article recently. I put it on to be "polite" -- in truth I do not know whether the statement I marked is valid information lacking a source OR whether it is "fantasy information" for which no reliable source exists.

It is a specialized subject. I cannot fix this myself as I would not know how to find a reliable source in the field.

I suspect the article does not get much attention from editors and that the citation needed notice could linger for a long time unnoticed and unattended to. Is there an appropriate way to raise a concern about an article to a higher level of visibility?

Thank you, CBHA (talk) 03:02, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

To editor CBHA: One way to do this is to raise the issue on the talk page of a related WikiProject. Article talk pages often have notices stating that articles are related to certain Wikiprojects; you should start with those. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 06:14, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

How do I make triplets in the score element?

I was experimenting with the <score>...</score> tags and suddenly came to a question: how to make triplets? It doesn't have anything on triplets at the score help page, but it did have a link to the notation documentation. Going there, it told me to use this:

\tuplet 3/2 { b4 b b }

or the like. (The specific thing I was looking at was here.) So I used this, but it just displayed an error message when I tried it. Help please? Eman235/talk 06:43, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I don't know anything about Lilypond music markup but if Wikimedia has implemented it anything like LaTeX for math markup then you can expect to find only a specific subset implemented. The error message would suggest that the \tuplet command has not been recognised and is thus not implemented at all. Always possible that it is implemented under another name but one could spend forever trying to guess what it is. However, I did manage to produce a triplet by switching to ABC notation if that's any help to you.

See ABC notation for more information. SpinningSpark 08:29, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I don't know music notation but mentions \times. Does that do what you want:

PrimeHunter (talk) 09:02, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

From the looks of it, the fraction needs to be the other way up:

AlexTiefling (talk) 12:39, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Article Submission and Approval

I submitted an article on wikipedia , its not approved yet. Whom should I contact, how to check on that? Its been more than 2 months .Its says it'll only take 23 weeks though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.141.49.54 (talk) 07:15, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

You just have to be patient, there are a lot of articles to review and they are all done by volunteer editors. However, if you provide a link to the page (or just tell us its title) we can take a look to see if the submission has been done properly (and maybe give you other advice). SpinningSpark 07:25, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

The only other edit that you made from User:14.141.49.54 is Great Online Shopping Festival. What article did you submit? -- Jreferee (talk) 09:47, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Warfarin

Company Misplaced Pages Page

I have been requested to write a page about a company on behalf of them on wikipedia. It would just be a basic description of the business, when it was founded and what they do etc. Would there be any issues with this before I commit to this to ensure neither of us have an issues due to this request.

Thank you

Rachend (talk) 10:50, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

There are a couple questions that you need to answer. First, is the company notable enough for inclusion in an encyclopedia. Our notability standards for companies can be found at WP:CORP. Second, are you disconnected enough from the company to be able to write a neutral article about them? You may have a conflict of interest there. See WP:COI and WP:NPOV to read about our conflict of interest and neutral point of view policies. Dismas| 11:54, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I am completely disconnected from the company no relationship to them at all. Had not even heard of them before. As for notability that is a tough one to determine. I have online news articles related to the company detailing when they were set up, why etc. and a very vague article on an award they were given. Does this make them notable enough or would more be needed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rachend (talk • contribs) 12:31, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

If you have never heard of this company, why are they asking you to write about them? You state above that you "have been requested ... on behalf of them ", which strongly suggests that you are a writer for hire. In that case, if they are paying for your writing services, you have one of the strongest conflicts of interest possible with Misplaced Pages, and would be very strongly discouraged (emphasis in policy) from editing a page about the company. Yunshui _水 12:40, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Would the page still end up being removed even if it stayed neutral due to this? I am new to writing a page such as this so would like to know 100% what can and cannot be done. For example if I chose not to accept payment and do this anyway for them would there still be conflict? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rachend (talk • contribs) 12:52, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Your best bet would be to use a talk page to offer other editors appropriate sources and information about the company, and then let them do the actual writing. That's what's meant by the prohibition on paid editors 'directly editing' a page in which they have a conflict of interest. You can certainly help, but you don't get to choose how the page actually gets written. Of course, all this presumes the company is sufficiently notable in the first place. AlexTiefling (talk) 12:58, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Just to be clear, there's a difference between articles that merely establish the existence of a company and those that establish its notability. The line between them can be fuzzy. A local newspaper talking about some new company that just started in a local industrial park doesn't establish notability. A mention in a magazine such as Wired or Forbes saying that company X exists and sells Y doesn't count towards notability. But if Wired or Forbes or something else of that caliber does an entire article on that specific company, then that helps notability. Dismas| 15:25, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Daniel Craig

Can anybody explain why this Image:Daniel Craig 3, 2012.jpg "presents Daniel Craig in a disparaging light"? The caption for the image in the article says "Craig at the Skyfall premiere in Sydney, November 2012", but User:Trisha Borsagi changed photo where he pictured at the Academy Awards in 2009. Cybervoron (talk) 11:39, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

As far as I and at least three other users can tell, it doesn't. There is an ongoing discussion on Trisha Borsagi's talkpage where both I and another administrator have asked her to explain her reasoning; that may well be the best place to debate the issue. Yunshui _水 11:58, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I, for one, understand Trisha Borsagi's point. Daniel Craig's eyes and mouth in that picture do not exactly make for an appealing picture. But I'm not going to get into an edit war over it. JIP | Talk 17:03, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. People rarely look good when they're caught in the middle of saying something. But to say it is "disparaging" is a reach. Dismas| 17:23, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Sertoli cell tumour

Hi I have only made small edits to Wiki in the past. However I've come across a page (Sertoli cell tumor) that is confusing and inaccurate. It needs to be heavily edited. I'm finding the help pages to be very confusing about how I should do this. Unfortunately I don't have time at the moment to research how to edit the page properly. I would suggest that a warning concerning the factual accuracy of the page be displayed.

On a separate note, I found the 'talk' aspect for discussing pages (which is what I tried to do first) to be completely baffling. I could not figure it out at all.

Thanks. AlanWolfe (talk) 12:06, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

What exactly is confusing and inaccurate? Ruslik_Zero 15:57, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Creating a NavBox

Dear editors: This old AfC submission: Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Hymns of the US Armed Forces seems to be a Navbox. I haven't done any work with these, but this seems fine to me, aside from maybe needing to be broken up into two lines to be less cramped. To make it active, do I just move it into the "Template" namespace? Or is there some other process? —Anne Delong (talk) 12:07, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I think a {{sidebar}} is more appropriate in this case. --Glaisher 12:13, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Four of the five hymns are already in the songs section of Template:List of official United States national symbols which is transcluded on those four articles. That seems like too much overlap. But yes, you could just move it to template space, remove the surroundung stuff so it isn't transcluded on articles, and ensure the name parameter is the pagename of the template (this is needed to make working V T E links). PrimeHunter (talk) 12:22, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

If it became an accepted navbox then it should also be added to the corresponding articles with {{Hymns of the US Armed Forces}} near the bottom of each article. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:27, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining the technical process. It seems from this small sample of responses that it may need to be discussed first by interested parties. Which is the most appropriate Wikiproject to decide if this will be a useful addition? —Anne Delong (talk) 12:41, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

WP:USMUSIC does not appear to be very active. Perhaps the parent wikiproject of USMUSIC: WP:USA --Glaisher 12:45, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

@Anne Delong -The Military history WikiProject would also be interested. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:24, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Wrong state and address

Why does The page for Newton High School in NJ...Say Mississippi??? W/that address?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.39.51 (talk) 14:02, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Err.. it doesn't say "Mississippi", and as far as I can see, it never has done - were you referring to something you saw on Google, rather than our actual article on Newton High School (New Jersey) ? - Arjayay (talk) 14:13, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

There are several schools named Newton High School, including the one in New Jersey and a couple in Mississippi. RudolfRed (talk) 16:31, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I suspect this is about a Facebook page, maybe https://www.facebook.com/pages/Newton-High-School/107994562555762. I wish people would say which page they are posting about. Some Facebook pages include content from Misplaced Pages but also from other sources without specifying which content is from where. The wrong state and address is not from Misplaced Pages. I guess Facebook copied it from a source about another school of the same name and incorrectly put it on their page about the New Jersey school. We have no control over Facebook. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:35, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Index of MS-DOS games

The article Index of MS-DOS games links to several other articles, all titled "Index of MS-DOS games (letter)", where "letter" is any letter of the alphabet. Every single one of these articles is alphabetised under its name, making it look like "Index of MS-DOS games" is an actual game title. Shouldn't they all be alphabetised under "*" or something? JIP | Talk 16:59, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Not following you, can you give an example? "Index of MS-DOS games (E)" does not appear anywhere in the list at Index of MS-DOS games (E). SpinningSpark 17:31, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

If you go to the category Category:DOS games, you'll see "Index of MS-DOS games (E)" listed under "I", not right at the start. JIP | Talk 17:57, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

It's because there is no sorting parameter for that category in Index of MS-DOS games (E) or its sibling lists, whereas Index of MS-DOS games is sorted to appear at the head of the category: ].--ukexpat (talk) 20:23, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I would personally suggest that the sorting parameter be something that put the Index of MS-DOS games (E) at the beginning of the 'E' section so maybe ]?Naraht (talk) 20:36, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Newspaper Articles

Are newspaper articles acceptable? One editor on a page I am working on is disputing many of the sources because they are newspaper articles that were printed about a decade ago. The articles have since been archived digitally in such databases as ProQuest, but because this editor can not read the articles personally we have reached a disagreement about whether the sources are acceptable. I've always thought database material (journal articles, newspaper articles) were acceptable.Vuzor (talk) 20:01, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes they are, references do not have to be online to be acceptable. You should use the {{cite news}} template and complete as many of the parameters as possible so that another user can find the paper in, say, a library and verify what it says.--ukexpat (talk) 20:28, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

What Vuzor is leaving out of his narrative above is that the article in question is a BLP and that there are NO other verifiable sources for the content he is starting to argue and edit war over (again). -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 20:38, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I am not trying to edit war (for crying out loud). Asking for the help desk's opinion is not edit warring; why do you approach everything with a battle mentality. Be professional. From WP:SOURCES:

If available, academic and peer-reviewed publications are usually the most reliable sources, such as in history, medicine, and science.

Editors may also use material from reliable non-academic sources, particularly if it appears in respected mainstream publications. Other reliable sources include:

university-level textbooks

books published by respected publishing houses

magazines

journals

mainstream newspapers.

Even editorials and blogs posted in newspapers (see: WP:NEWSBLOG) are acceptable. Academic publications, as mentioned, are the most reliable sources, and they are available only on databases or with subscription. I'd just like another confirmation from another editor that we can use newspaper articles sourced from a database.Vuzor (talk) 20:59, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

The article is a BLP. Different criteria, different rules. If it's not verifiable - especially from more than one source if the only source is unverifiable in itself - then the associated content should go. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 21:33, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

The exact page I just quoted, Misplaced Pages:Verifiability, defines a source as:

The word "source" in Misplaced Pages has three meanings:

the type of the work (some examples include a document, an article, or a book)

the creator of the work (for example, the writer)

the publisher of the work (for example, Oxford University Press).

All three can affect reliability.

Base articles on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.

The same article talks about BLP articles as well, so the same criteria do in fact apply to those articles.

Be especially careful when sourcing content related to living people or medicine.

If available, academic and peer-reviewed publications are usually the most reliable sources, such as in history, medicine, and science.

Databases are accurate and reliable. These rules apply to BLP articles as well. The newspapers themselves are very much reliable sources. One editor here has said newspaper article sourced from a database are fine, but in good faith (I'm not trying to edit war and I very sincerely want us to cooperate professionally) I am waiting for a second confirmation. If there is a misunderstanding about the rules by either of us, then it is best that it be cleared up here so we can move forward. Vuzor (talk) 22:00, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Repeating (because you aren't grasping the concept): a BLP needs to have VERIFIABLE references. An article that isn't accessible is not freely verifiable. If what you were wanting to reference is available elsewhere, then use both the unverifiable and verifiable references. Because one reference is not verifiable, it isn't a good source FOR A BLP and the content isn't appropriate for a BLP. The content you insist on adding isn't verifiable anywhere else but the alleged source. If it's not available to be fact-checked, it shouldn't be in a BLP to begin with. And...this isn't a history, medicine, or science article, it's about a musician. That isn't even an apples/oranges comparison. More like a apples/cars comparison. You really should consider letting this one go - if you want to be professional and cooperative, that is. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 22:29, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I'd like to hear someone else's opinion before "letting this one go." Newspaper articles are reputable. In fact, this is addressed on the same page, Misplaced Pages:Verifiability. Quick access to the excerpt below at WP:SOURCEACCESS, and also a link to Misplaced Pages:Offline sources, where the template reads "This page in a nutshell: Offline sources are just as valid as online sources."

Access to sources

Some reliable sources may not be easily accessible. For example, an online source may require payment, and a print source may be available only in university libraries or other offline places. Do not reject sources just because they are hard or costly to access. If you have trouble accessing a source, others may be able to do so on your behalf (see WikiProject Resource Exchange).

It's written pretty clearly. I would like another person's opinion.Vuzor (talk) 22:33, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

And once again, you prove yourself unable to just say "Okay, I'll let it go and work cooperatively with someone I don't necessarily agree with". You ALWAYS want someone else's opinion when you disagree with another's opinion that's already been given. You ALWAYS run to notice boards and help boards and open RfCs rather than just editing with others and accepting that your opinion may not be the right one or the only one. This is one of the many reasons why you will never be happy in Misplaced Pages. It's also one of the many reasons why the complaints you file and the RfCs you open garner few to no responses. You still haven't learned from your past mistakes and the advice you've already been given.

Bottom line regarding your unverifiable source is that the following is very clear: "Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately". An unverifiable source when it is the ONLY reference available for content in a BLP falls under the category of "poorly sourced"-- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 23:23, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I could ask you the exact same thing. Why don't you let it go and allow these acceptable sources to be used? The MOS itself says they can be used, as did another editor here. You create issues out of non-issues. I simply want another person's opinion. I ask for other people's opinions because you and I disagree often on what can be considered an acceptable source. That is not edit warring. That is finding a solution and reaching a conclusion when neither of us agree on something. Misplaced Pages has provided us with provisions to resolve issues in this way. Could you please set aside your ego this time and let someone else provide their advice. Ukexpat already gave us an answer and that could have easily concluded this discussion, but you argued. In good faith (since one answer isn't enough for you), I request another editor's comment to help us resolve this. Are newspaper articles sourced from a database acceptable? Vuzor (talk) 23:38, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Reverting Good Faith, No Clue, and Vandalism edits. And Also Twinkle

1. Just recently, I started patrolling edits in Recent Changes. I encountered vandalism edits, which I had reverted and marked it as a minor edit. But does that go for the same if I revert good faith or No Clue edits? Do I mark those as minor edits too? So far, I didn't mark them as minor edits just to be on the safe side.
2. I also have another question about Twinkle. Twinkle was so easy to use to revert edits. There were no complicated steps, plus it brings up the Talk Page of the editor too. But sometimes, the Twinkle toolbar, the (Rollback (AGF)--Rollback--Rollback (Vandalism)) does not show and I have to do it using the Undo button which takes a longer time. Is there a way I can make Twinkle show for every diff? Thanks,TheQ Editor (Talk) 20:03, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

For question 2, several editors have reported problems with gadgets such as Twinkle in the last few hours. Be patient, and with luck someone will get the problem fixed quickly and then Twinkle will be reliable again. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:50, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

@TheQ Editor: Please note that you are not restricted to rollback (all edits by one editor that are contiguous) or undo (just the last edit); you can also do a manual revert. Go to the history → click on the date you want to revert to → click edit → save page.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:58, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

@Fuhghettaboutit:, I know that but when reverting a good faith edit, do I choose minor edit? I know you have to do it when reverting vandalism but how about good faith or no clue edits?TheQ Editor (Talk) 22:03, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

lowercase title help (such as iPad, eBay)

I've got what I'm sure is a stupid question. I've already made a mess of things, so I hope someone can help. I moved the page IZOMBIE (TV series) to IZombie (TV series), then tried to use {{lowercase title}} to force iZombie. For whatever reason, it did not work, but I could get it to work on the redirect I had created with the move. So I moved it back and tried again (there is something in the documentation for the template about moves/redirects) but I still can't get it right. Help? Thanks a bunch. --Logical Fuzz (talk) 20:43, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Ukexpat and I fixed it by adding {{DISPLAYTITLE:''iZombie'' (TV series)}} to the top and removing the auto-italicising provided by the infobox. /~huesatlum/ 20:58, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you both so much! --Logical Fuzz (talk) 21:12, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Find a conversation

This was originally misplaced at WP:AN; I've moved it from there. Nyttend (talk) 22:08, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm recalling a conversation that I had with another user, and I want to be able to find a DIFF for a particular comment. Is there a tool to find the comment if I remember the wording, or do I have to slog through all the posts? - Jack Sebastian (talk) 21:50, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I think the best you'll get is the editor interaction analyzer. Put in both of your names and look for the smallest timestamps.--v/r - TP 22:18, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I think WP:WIKIBLAME will do this. I've seen it mentioned like this before for finding where some info entered an article but I've never actually used it. Dismas| 22:52, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

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