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Dude, I never did the slightest editing whatsoever on "Authorship of A Course in Miracles" -- I just made a suggestion on the talk page (a suggestion which the comments you left on my talk page do not appear to address in any manner whatseover)... AnonMoos 21:07, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Be careful ':)

Just a note, but although some or most of the spelling of an article meets normal conditions, sometimes misspellings must remain in order to be factually correct. Just letting you know. By the way, thanks for taking care of it. :) Ste4k 20:22, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I assume you're referring to my edit http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Authorship_of_A_Course_in_Miracles&curid=3663921&diff=60878527&oldid=60878370 ? In which case I think my edit was correct. However, I do understand the need to quote sources directly and carry over spelling mistakes with a etc. and I'm trying to write my script / perform edits in such a way that these quotes aren't 'corrected'. If I do make mistakes let me know and I will rectify them. Rjwilmsi 20:34, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

William Thetford

Thanks for the comment in AfD about ACIM. Do you really think that it should be kept even though the citations for ACIM are nothing more than self-serving websites? I don't ask this as a challenge, but seriously looking for information. I am rather new here and would appreciate the comments. I normally do "cleanup work" and maintenance and I came upon another article, which is the book that the advocacy group centers upon. I performed the citing analysis on the references and besides having no verifiability, they appeared to have been modified to look as many sources rather than only a few. I corrected those and attempted to put the facts into the article and was presented with a wave of unpleasurable sentiment. Since articles should have actual facts and I was not allowed to edit and only ignored in my requests for discussion, I took it upon myself to submit for review each of the articles in the entire tree. I personally don't have time for playing revert/vandal games, and allowing others to make the decision seemed very fair to me. If you have any questions about any of that, please feel free to let me know. Thanks! Ste4k 06:52, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello! I presume that you refer to the William Thetford article up for AfD today? Don't forget to add links to articles to which you refer, it is so much easier to understand enquiries that way! My comments don't refer to the verifiability or otherwise of the material relating to A Course in Miracles, as I have no knowledge of that subject. I refer instead to the language and tone of the material added. It seems very poor and subjective in scope, decidedly less-encyclopedic than the biographical material at the top of the article. If the cleanup work involves removing unverified material then so be it. An encyclopedia is not the place for opinion or polemic. If something can't be verified through research then it should be clearly marked to this effect and deleted if research proves fruitless. It is good that you observe the three revert rule as it is in no one's best interest to see you blocked for edit warring.

I think that the message is that cleanup involves more than tidying up grammar and syntax. A good editor should have the principles of writing a good article in mind when carrying out this process. Regards,  (aeropagitica)  (talk)  10:14, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Gary Renard

Thanks for the barnstar! Glad I was able to help you out. :)

Well, there's no "notability scale", it's just my opinion. The book seems to be at least somewhat popular (otherwise it wouldn't be ranked so high on Amazon.com). Since it's only my opinion, I chose weak keep. I'll probably change my "vote"/argument if there's no verifiable notability.

And don't worry about the new user thing, I've only been around since January. I've been reading up and getting familiar with the guidelines and policies, so I can actually make arguments like the ones on AfD. --Coredesat talk 09:06, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

AfD

Hi, Ste4k. The discussion pages of AfD nominations are used sometimes, but they usually are not necessary. The AfD page is pretty much a talk page itself and there is usually room for all comments. The talk pages tend to be used when the discussion has gotten very long, especially when the comments are not directly relevant to deciding whether to keep the article or delete it or are procedural, such as whether the nomination should be closed early. -- Kjkolb 08:06, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Re:db-bio articles

Hello Ste4k, you're welcome. You'll notice that I removed the tags and suggested you use {{prod}} or AfD instead, since the articles asserted notability. If you think they're non-notable you can certainly go ahead with the prod or afd. Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers! --Fang Aili 18:57, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

You might want to parse down your nominations--you can just say it violates WP:NOT, WP:VER, etc, without going into detail. --Fang Aili 19:58, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

No, I mean you don't have to go into as much detail as you did. But they're fine. :) --Fang Aili 14:22, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Mediation Geurilla

Hello! Just droping in. A quick evaluation of the situation quickly tells me that the main problem isn't one person or the other, and you both need to cool down a little bit so we can talk rationally. Thanks for your understanding. Now, before we begin, let's go over some basic courtesy that everyone should be given:

'Please read and deeply contemplate the meaning of the following fundamental philosophies of being nice':

• Avoid making nasty personal attacks (Mean statements directed at a users character), we need to talk about Misplaced Pages not each other.
• Be nice to each other, that's the only way anything gets done. If both parties are mean and unsympathizing, then no one will get what they want.
• Assume good faith in other editor's intentions. Misplaced Pages allows anyone to edit, so obviously we trust that everyone has good intentions when it comes to using it. If everyone were out to harm Misplaced Pages... well... we'd just be screwed.
• Basically... play nice  :)
  
  

If everyone is in agreement with the above philosophies, then let's have a nice lovely sit down with a delicious bagel and discuss what's going on. Shall we? -- The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake 17:48, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Can I move this to the top of the screen please? Ste4k 17:50, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Feel free. Oh, and by the way, that discussion on my talk page was involving a different dispute, so everything we're doing will be here, yes. -- The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake 18:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

What discussion? On the bottom was the person who was harrassing me. I am 0RR. (religiously) They didn't like my edits, it was all based on their sources, they refused to talk to me, then they started harrassing. Most of them were just IP addresses. I don't know where to go exactly, so I started with a WP:3O, it still sitting on the bottom of the page. It's marked "dispute". It said to be neutral. AmiDaniels suggested an RfC. So I opened one too, etc. It's listed under the literature/media section over there. There might be some conversation on his talk page to, but I really don't care to check. :) Ste4k 18:16, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

What article did this start at? I need to gather some info before I can do anything at the moment. -- The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake 19:40, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Basically there is an advocacy group called ACIM or maybe something else, if such things have names. Authorship_of_A_Course_in_Miracles Ste4k 08:10, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, if the second party doesn't want to reply... then... uh... there's nothing I can really do. I might recommend a request for mediation at the Mediation Comittee... but I really don't know what to do. Sorry! -- The Prophet Wizard of the Crayon Cake 21:28, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Housemates Table and Original Research

Please see the talk page of BB06 to discuss the use of the housemates table in the article -- CHANLORD / 02:46, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

The helpme request

In case someone asks in the future, I finally found the list of currently activated extensions. (Located here). Thanks for responding to my request.--SomeStranger 12:28, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Vanispamcruftisement

You're very welcome. This is one WP:NEO that's quite useful. Providing free advertising for small businesses, which is what those ACIM articles are, is not what an encyclopedia is for. Best wishes ! Angus McLellan (Talk) 10:12, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

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