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1978–1990 → The Go-Betweens 1978–1990 – Apologies for burdening RM with another year title, but the biography of the band and the Mojo Collection treat "The Go-Betweens 1978–1990" as the full title David Nichols The Go-Betweens p.217 "July 1990 saw the release of The Go-Betweens 1978-1990 on double LP, 217 218 CD, and cassette (each with a slightly different track listing) in a number of key territories. This collection marked the first album release of several tracks which Forster and MacLennan clearly thought of as important to their story including "The Sound of Rain" which they had recorded for Beserkley twelve years earlier" and The Mojo Collection: 4th Edition p.530 "Further listening: Liberty Belle And The Black Diamond Express (1986); Tallulah (1987); Go-Betweens 1978–1990 (1990); Robert Forster – Danger In The Past (1990)." Likewise Colin Larkin The Virgin encyclopedia of eighties music 1997 Page 210 ...also per WP:RECOGNIZABILITY that the subject of the article be recognizable to the generally informed reader, not the absolute specialist. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:39, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

• Support: The idea that an expression that seems to clearly be a simple description of a span of time should be the name of some article about an album is just darn silly – and especially silly when there are other albums named after the same span of time. —BarrelProof (talk) 02:56, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. Both titles are found, but let's compare Google Books results:

  1978–1990

  1. Christgau's Consumer Guide
  2. All Music Guide to Rock
  3. The Essential Rock Discography
  4. A Basic Music Library
  5. Marooned
  6. The Encyclopedia of Popular Music
  7. Spin
  8. The Trouser Press record guide
  9. Young and Foolish
  10. InMusic
  11. The Rolling Stone Album Guide

  The Go-Betweens 1978–1990

  1. The Mojo Collection
  2. David Nichols, The Go-Betweens
  3. The Guinness Encyclopedia of Popular Music
  4. The Virgin Encyclopedia of Eighties Music
  5. Music Master Deletions

The short title clearly predominates. Per WP:AT, we should choose the title that is more recognizable, more natural and more concise. As to recognizability, that is the title that people are more likely to encounter outside of WP. As to naturalness, the fact that the proposed title is a redlink speaks volumes to its naturalness. And conciseness speaks for itself. Nothing silly about using the actual title of a topic for the article on that topic. Dohn joe (talk) 03:10, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Did you say above "both titles are found", did you say that? In ictu oculi (talk) 05:00, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Obviously I did. And then showed that reliable sources use the current title more than 2:1 in Google Books. Dohn joe (talk) 14:17, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

• Support per BP. -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 05:00, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
• Support. I feel a little personally invested in this one. Had I found the article titled "1978-1990", I would have clicked on it, wondering aloud, "What possible historical significance could such a periodization have?" Upon discovering that it was merely the title of an album I've never heard of, nor ever would want to hear of, I would have felt misled, my time wasted. I am someone who cares deeply about history, and the art of conceptualizing it; at the same, I care little for obscure music. I would be one of the victims of this current title, robbed of my valuable time by a hopelessly confusing name. Analysis of guidelines is not necessary for me on this one (though WP:ASTONISH obtains.) I know the encyclopedia would be better if people like me were not misled. This is true for any range of dates that might serve as an album title. Xoloz (talk) 16:39, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

  Lol. I like how your personal investment takes the form of a boilerplate post! Dohn joe (talk) 17:39, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

  I'm a lawyer. I think there is a boilerplate form attached to my soul! ;) Xoloz (talk) 21:31, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose per Dohn Joe's logic. There is no other article titled 1978–1990, a shorter title trumps a longer less used one. shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:09, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Why, where does WP:AT say that? You do realise we are only talking about a redirect here? Both titles will still go to the same place whichever shows in the search box. Same as Harusame redirects to Japanese destroyer Harusame (1937); whom is your oppose vote helping by opposing the fuller title found in books? In ictu oculi (talk) 05:00, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

• Support – using a date range to title an article on an album fails WP:AT's precision and recognizability criteria. Dicklyon (talk) 05:47, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

  I still don't see how using the actual title of an album is imprecise or unrecognizable. Dohn joe (talk) 14:17, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

  To those of us who support this proposal, the current title isn't clearly (recognizably) an album. Yes, it is the actual name of the album, but that name is ambiguous (unclear/unrecognizable) in comparison to an historical range of dates. For the purposes of an encyclopedia, the actual title of the album is inadequate in certain key respects, so it must be disambiguated. Xoloz (talk) 16:49, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

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