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Artistic Tributes to Rachel Corrie was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 22 March 2009 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Rachel Corrie. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

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NGO Monitor and Shurat HaDin

MathKnight, please explain why you've restored the following paragraph:

Shurat HaDin, an Israeli group which aims to apply legal pressure to accused terrorist groups, has said that the Corrie Family should sue the Palestinian Authority and ISM over their daughter's death. In addition, NGO Monitor president, Gerald Steinberg said, "Corrie's death was entirely unnecessary, and the leaders of the ISM bear much culpability for her death."

The first part is sourced to a Wordpress blog, the second, while sourced to a reliable source, represents the view of one person and is undue weight here. Also explain why you restored what she believed to be, there is no dispute that the house was being demolished. nableezy - 17:01, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Shurat HaDin is a very notable NGO and if you looked it is entry you see it had notable legal achievements (such as winning hundreds of millions of dollar compensation for terror victims). MathKnight 19:20, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Its a wordpress blog, it doesnt get any more self-published than that. They can be used for information about themselves, not for information about Corrie. See WP:SELFPUB. nableezy - 20:53, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Also, the edits were added by a sock of a banned account, I am re-reverting on that basis. nableezy - 17:01, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

First, you attacking ad hominem and it is not accepted. Second, it is not a sock puppet of banned account, it is my account at the university, since I'm working in a different computer than home in a grad students common office, and I don't want to log in/out every time I switch computer. Since I have officially said it is my account (see user page) and did not tried to pretend I'm someone else it is not a sock puppet. It is more like a user that also operated a maintenance "bot" account. This is not a reason to revert automatically edits by User:MathKnight-at-TAU account. MathKnight 19:18, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Im sorry that you misunderstood what I wrote. The initial restore of that material was from Cønffucius (talk · contribs), a now blocked sock of a banned user. I was not reverting you for being a sock, I reverted you on the merits of the edit. nableezy - 20:53, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

House demolition?

You write "there is no dispute that the house was being demolished" but I quote from the article:

According to the judge "The mission of the IDF force on the day of the incident was solely to clear the ground.... The mission did not include, in any way, the demolition of homes."

The court ruled that no house was demolished in that operation and that was no intention of demolishing one. A court verdict is a reliable source. MathKnight 19:18, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

I dont know that a court verdict is a reliable source, but Corrie was in between a bulldozer and a house when she was run over and killed by said bulldozer. I dont know what the mission of the day was, but the actual action of the day should be relatively clear. nableezy - 20:53, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

You may dispute a court's verdict, which I think qualifies as a reliable source, but you can't claim anymore that no one says that the mission that day was not house demolition and that no house was demolished in that operation. The court clearly disputes that the house was being demolished that day, the armored bulldozer just cleared shrubbery and soil near it. MathKnight 05:41, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

We have had this discussion here many times before.

The facts as I understand them remain as follows:

1. ISM witnesses claim house demolitions were attempted but they managed to stop them by going inside a building and by standing in front of the bulldozers. If this is correct then the "just clearing vegetation" claim is a lie.

2. The IDF claim is that they were only scheduled to clear "vegetation and rubble" ON THE DAY THAT CORRIE WAS KILLED . I.e. implying that they had been demolishing houses on previous days and they intended to on subsequent ones but on the day Rachel was crushed to death were only clearing vegetation. If this is correct then the ISM witnesses specific and detailed statements are a lie.

Either way, someone is lying and we wiki editors should NOT decide for the reader who it is.

That house demolitions did not occur ON THAT DAY is a statement of fact, but I think is irrelevant. All we can know for certain is that house demolitions did not occur on that day after Rachel had been killed.

I see TWO alternative understandings for why that is:

a.) they may have been attempted but were prevented (ISM claim) and were curtailed after her death OR

b.) they had never been planned for that particular day (IDF claim).

We don't know which is true. Which is why I think this 'fact' of no house demolition on that day does does not support either side of this disputed point.

FACT: the house in question was eventually demolished (2 years later I think).

CONCLUSION: Making the article present one side of this disputed point - as if there was no dispute - therefore seems a clear WP:NPOV violation.--Mystichumwipe (talk) 18:00, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

But the COURT accepted IDF claim that no house demolition was planned that day. So we have ISM's claim, the IDF's claim and the court's verdict. The court accepted IDF's statement and ruled that no house demolition was planned that day (and in fact, no house was demolished in that action). MathKnight 11:41, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

.The court's verdict has been criticised, as the article details. Therefore the article should not favour one side of a disputed subject. That would violate neutrality. This has been discussed previously numerous times and once with your involvement.--Mystichumwipe (talk) 00:09, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

I agree with MathKnight. Both claims should certainly be included, but this article seems to be a platform for the ISM position, especially by quoting only the bystanders who blame Israel. --monochrome_monitor 00:44, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

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