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Khabboos

Summarily declined as unclear. Please resubmit with a link to the remedy to be enforced and to dated diffs that explain how these edits are problematic. Sandstein 08:23, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Request concerning Khabboos User who is submitting this request for enforcement BullRangifer (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 06:30, 28 July 2014 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested Khabboos (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log The topic banned Khabboos is back with a vengeance: https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/Khabboos Here is his failed appeal of his existing topic ban: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive153#Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Khabboos He has also been properly warned about his disruptive behavior in the pseudoscience/fringe area: https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Khabboos#Notification_of_discretionary_sanctions:_homeopathy_and_pseudoscience The person who started the following thread, User:John19322, is very likely a sock of Khabboos (or someone else): https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Homeopathy#Bias_or_accurate_information_about_homeopathy TenOfAllTrades correctly questioned him at the end of that thread. Here's what he wrote: Incidentally, @John19322:, you mentioned that you posted sources above on the page. Under what account? As far as I can tell, you only created the John19322 account a few days ago, and you've only made one edit (to start this thread) to this talk page. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 15:44, 25 July 2014 (UTC) Obviously John19322 is a sock of someone who posted above....He blew his cover! This is the type of amateurish mistake Khabboos and User:Dr.Jhingaadey could make. I will notify Khabboos. -- Brangifer (talk) 06:30, 28 July 2014 (UTC) Sanction or remedy to be enforced Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/CASENAME#SECTION : Khabboos should be topic banned in the alternative medicine/pseudoscience/fringe area, "widely construed." He should likely be blocked for sockpuppetry as well. A likely suspect is one of the numerous socks of the indef banned User:Dr.Jhingaadey. They share numerous behaviors, obsessions, POV, and amateurish use of socks. -- Brangifer (talk) 06:30, 28 July 2014 (UTC) Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested Notified -- Brangifer (talk) 07:10, 28 July 2014 (UTC) Discussion concerning Khabboos Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks. Statement by Khabboos Statement by (username) Result concerning Khabboos This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. Summarily declined as unclear. Please resubmit with a link to the remedy to be enforced and to dated diffs that explain how these edits are problematic. Be advised that continued unspecific or unproven accusations of sockpuppetry may result in sanctions against yourself. Sandstein 08:23, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Summarily declined as unclear. Please resubmit with a link to the remedy to be enforced and to dated diffs that explain how these edits are problematic. Sandstein 08:23, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.

Request concerning Khabboos

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: BullRangifer (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 06:30, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Khabboos (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log

The topic banned Khabboos is back with a vengeance:

https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/Khabboos

Here is his failed appeal of his existing topic ban:

https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive153#Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Khabboos

He has also been properly warned about his disruptive behavior in the pseudoscience/fringe area:

https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Khabboos#Notification_of_discretionary_sanctions:_homeopathy_and_pseudoscience

The person who started the following thread, User:John19322, is very likely a sock of Khabboos (or someone else):

https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Homeopathy#Bias_or_accurate_information_about_homeopathy

TenOfAllTrades correctly questioned him at the end of that thread. Here's what he wrote:

Incidentally, @John19322:, you mentioned that you posted sources above on the page. Under what account? As far as I can tell, you only created the John19322 account a few days ago, and you've only made one edit (to start this thread) to this talk page. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 15:44, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Obviously John19322 is a sock of someone who posted above....He blew his cover! This is the type of amateurish mistake Khabboos and User:Dr.Jhingaadey could make.

I will notify Khabboos. -- Brangifer (talk) 06:30, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/CASENAME#SECTION :

Khabboos should be topic banned in the alternative medicine/pseudoscience/fringe area, "widely construed."

He should likely be blocked for sockpuppetry as well. A likely suspect is one of the numerous socks of the indef banned User:Dr.Jhingaadey. They share numerous behaviors, obsessions, POV, and amateurish use of socks. -- Brangifer (talk) 06:30, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Notified -- Brangifer (talk) 07:10, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Discussion concerning Khabboos

Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.

Statement by Khabboos

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Result concerning Khabboos

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

Summarily declined as unclear. Please resubmit with a link to the remedy to be enforced and to dated diffs that explain how these edits are problematic. Be advised that continued unspecific or unproven accusations of sockpuppetry may result in sanctions against yourself. Sandstein 08:23, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Monochrome monitor

Monochrome monitor is warned that they may be blocked or banned if they continue to edit in a confrontative manner in the Arab-Israeli topic area. Sandstein 07:06, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Request concerning Monochrome monitor User who is submitting this request for enforcement Zero0000 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 10:50, 28 July 2014 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested Monochrome monitor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log Sanction or remedy to be enforced ARBPIA : Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it 09:03, 28 July 2014 First revert 08:42–09:33, 28 July 2014 Second revert Regarding the first revert: The text deleted was first introduced in 2011 but has been fought over countless times since then (I can supply a list of more than 20 diffs in which the text was modified in a hostile fashion). The most recent edits were in March this year: . The most recent of those can be taken as the reverted edit, if it is thought that a specific edit must be indicated. Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any 06:43, 10 July 2014 36 hour block for 1RR violation If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts) Given formal notification of ARBPIA discretionary sanctions Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on 10 July 2014 (as above) by Callanecc (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA). Participated in an arbitration request or enforcement procedure about the area of conflict in the last twelve months, Wikieditorpro section. Additional comments by editor filing complaint I don't make reports like this unless I think we would be better off without the editor concerned. Shows a strong pattern of editing to a personal POV. @Callanecc: I think that a ban would require a more extensive report than I have made, so in this instance I believe a temporary block would be adequate. Given this editor's recent block for the same offence, the block should be of duration appropriate to a repeat violation. @Shrike: The first contiguous sequence of edits deleted existing text together with it's academic source. I wouldn't call it a revert if it was a mere rewording or replacement by a better source, but in fact it was deletion of cited text in order to substitute text with a different pov. Ergo, a revert. @the panda: Actually I think the meaning of "revert" has been taken too literally recently and there is a danger of losing sight of the purpose of the rule, namely to suppress or at least slow down edit warring. I regard the first diff to be a revert, not just because it changes and deletes previous text but because it is done for the clear purpose of pressing one pov while deleting another. These edits removed two pieces of text, both well cited, that refer to the Palestinians having deep roots in Palestine, and inserted in the place of the first a reference only to recent times. This is one of the major point of contention in the subject and such a change is clearly edit-warring. In addition, the edit that deleted the sentence cited to scholar Alan Dowty had the edit summary "sentence flow, slight reword" which is very hard to see as a summary made in good faith. Zero 12:15, 28 July 2014 (UTC) @Sandstein @Monty : I have added to the complaints section an indication of which previous edit was reverted, of March this year. Zero 10:53, 29 July 2014 (UTC) Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested notified Discussion concerning Monochrome monitor Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks. Statement by Monochrome monitor Okay, I didn't violate anything. That's just shoddy reporting. The first citation is my edit to the article. The second edit is me reverting someone who undid my edits to the article. I stopped advocating my edit after that. I did absolutely nothing wrong. --monochrome_monitor 11:01, 28 July 2014 (UTC) What the hell? It was one revert. My first was an edit and the second was a revert to that edit. And are you serious? You think wikipedia would be better off without me? That's absurd. If you read my edits they were not biased and I've been told that I've greatly improved NPOV by different editos. The fact that the same admin wants to report me is also absurd. --monochrome_monitor 11:12, 28 July 2014 (UTC) I did not mean to attack him ad hominem, if it was offensive I apologize. --monochrome_monitor 11:56, 28 July 2014 (UTC) So it seems like we established that I didn't break one revert, can I leave this kangaroo court? I already apologized for the offense I didn't know that we couldn't refer to users even if we didn't address their names. @zero Your definition of revert isn't revert. And I did not substitute one POV for another. I used the prevailing POV—that Palestinians have roots in Palestine since 780ish, even the article admits Palestine wasn't Arab until then. This article endorses the historical revisionist view that Palestinians are all the the people who existed before them simultaneously. I was trying to make the article NPOV. The purpose of the article is obviously to promote the "palestinians as indigenous" narrative when it should address ALL narratives. I tried to use to most centrist narrative as possible. And as per the reference, I tried to add a reference from a more neutral source but broke the reference link so I deleted it. You don't need to presume that all of my actions have some sort of insidious intent. I just think moderation in this area is very important considering all the rhetoric right now and its accompanying violence. --monochrome_monitor 12:35, 28 July 2014 (UTC) So, yeah. I'm trying to make the article NPOV because it advocates a fringe idea. Just as scholars don't have a consensus on any Palestinian national identity, they don't have a consensus on Palestinian indigineity. However you spell that. I understand this will only further enrage the people who just want to see me reported, so be it. --monochrome_monitor 12:54, 28 July 2014 (UTC) Well, that's it from me I obviously didn't violate the rule though I was rude and I'm sorry for that. I just wish there was someone who could understand where I'm coming from here. The page needs changing, I tried to change it by adding statistics/date and not the research of some Palestinian guy.--monochrome_monitor 12:58, 28 July 2014 (UTC) @Nishidani "Like every other sentence"—nice ad hominem attack. How petty. "You made a grammatical error", hilarious. I usually fix grammatical errors as you yourself acknowledged in your reversion. Some of my edits in talk namespaces contain grammatical errors and I don't address them because the message is conveyed. Many other users make grammatical errors, yet you don't seem to care about them. Meanwhile, way to insult me by calling me "racist", an absurd and hypocritical accusation. I have not used one epithet except "antisemite", as you're a far-left anti-israel third-wordist with a talk page explicitly stating your contempt of Jewish editors and Israel. You consider Jews to be greedy land-grabbing colonialists and when someone calls you out you cry "racism". You call accepted demographic facts "talking points" just because they don't fit your fringe idea of Palestinians as some ancient civilization of peaceful olive-grove dwelling nomads. You assume that I have some insidious purpose because I (and any moderate person) disagree with you and the bias in this article. It does not present the mainstream opinion and instead uses an extreme as a default. I HAVE read the historical scholarship, including the historical revisionism peddled out by the likes of Yasser Arafat, and it's just that, revisionism. I'm not saying there are any "real owners", it's not some sort of blood-land feud, but this articles deliberately misleads the audience into thinking Arab Palestinians (who arrived in the late 8th century) are directly related to obsolete unrelated biblical entities. The fact that you consider Canaanites to be Palestinian, for example, proves I have legitimate concerns about your neutrality. My edit actually provided the definition of a Palestinian refugee, something it was missing, as well as a guide to the application of "Palestinian" vs "Israeli Arab".--monochrome_monitor 17:19, 28 July 2014 (UTC) @sandstein Thanks for adding your input. Please check my other edits, like those on Rachel Corrie which have been very well received, to see I'm just trying to add nuetrality. I was being aggressive towards that user but in my personal opinion that doesn't justify a topic ban considering the actual content of my edit is not questionable. I apologize for the edit summary, it was written halfway through editing and not updating. I think it would be reasonable to assume good faith since I wasn't subversive. On my complaints, check that user's (very inflammatory) talk page, he has been called antisemitic many times before. I'm just one of many to object. Instead of shooting the messenger, ask yourself if our objections are valid. Along with some obvious extremely anti-israel POV the user is also very condescending to users who disagree with him.--monochrome_monitor 18:19, 28 July 2014 (UTC) For the record, Nishidani changed "I don't particularly mind the crude racist insults documented on my page" to something very different, making him guilt of exactly the same offense he is currently outraged for (calling him antisemitic). When I revised my edit he reinstated it to make a point, therefore I will put it here lest someone think he's above petty libels. --monochrome_monitor 19:15, 28 July 2014 (UTC) So anyway I'd really like to end the dispute it's really stressing me out. I hope you can understand my aggression as defensive when being targeted as breaking a rule I didn't even break. --monochrome_monitor 19:26, 28 July 2014 (UTC) Apologies to all. Especially Nishidani whom I addressed on his talk page. --monochrome_monitor 00:42, 30 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by Shrike Exactly to what version "the first revert" was reverting?--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 11:07, 28 July 2014 (UTC) Also in general in past AE cases first edit was considered a revert if it was explicitly reverting something but this not a case as far a I can see.--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 11:13, 28 July 2014 (UTC) @DangerousPanda Here is the past case Here what is written by User:Timotheus_Canens I don't think DLDD's first edit is a revert. AE has repeatedly held that edits falling within the technical definition may nonetheless not qualify as a revert; in Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive73#SlimVirgin, for example, the first edit at issue removed an entire section, but it was nonetheless held to be not a revert --Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 11:35, 28 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by Johnuniq I noticed that Monochrome monitor added then removed a comment at User talk:Nishidani. The removal edit summary was "deleted my question, convo with you will get me no where (blatant antisemite)" (diff). The removed comment included "Looking at your page you seem to biased and a bit antisemitic, I think I'll consult more neutral parties". MM should be informed that discussion about an article belongs on its talk page, and that attacks on other editors are not permitted. Johnuniq (talk) 11:22, 28 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by Nomoskedasticity This edit, referring to another editor as a "total tool", adds to my impression that Monochrome monitor is not going to make a constructive contribution to the I/P editing area. I was going to post about his calling Nishidani an anti-Semite as well, but I see that's already been addressed above. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 11:56, 28 July 2014 (UTC) Sandstein's fastidiousness is puzzling. The first revert indicated by Zero in the initial report is a revert insofar as it removes Dowty as a source and also changes "majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are descendants of Christians, Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant whose core may reach back to prehistoric times" to "majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are closely related to Christians, Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant" -- thus removing the notion of current residents being "descendants". It doesn't matter who originally added it -- what matters is that Monochome deleted it: a revert. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:32, 28 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by Nishidani 'The article fails to history.' That, like every other sentence I've examined from monochrome writer, is ungrammatical. But the list of remarks that follows it, shows that this editor has zero knowledge of historical scholarship, since it systematically trots out clichés in 'fact sheet handouts' printed to 'guide' activists in the I/P area (for how complex this is see Demographics of Palestine. Whatever, by 1900 94% of the population was 'Arab'(Muslim/Christian), who were not blow-ins barging into a Jewish land to dispossess the real owners, i.e., since Byzantine times an exiguous minority. All this is straight out of Joan Peters's fictional book and even poorer sources. I don't particularly mind the crude insults (5)imputing me with racism documented on my page, some while he was reported here. But in this area we do not need walk-in editors brandishing a programme of pseudoids to conduct edit-wars.Nishidani (talk) 13:28, 28 July 2014 (UTC) Since the editor is new to the area, no sanction is necessary. A warning on her page is sufficient. The WP:AGF problem was addressed on my page with an apology that is a first up for the dozens of people who have thrown that accusation my way, sign of reflection, and bona fides. Thirdly, mentorship is underway, and that itself is sufficient. One note to the newby. Optimal editing here, which is all that is acceptable given the conflictual bitterness, requires close reading of scholarly sources and avoidance of any meme-driven sourcing. One should never, particularly when young, delude oneself into thinking one 'knows' the facts about a situation and history as complex as this one.Nishidani (talk) 12:26, 30 July 2014 (UTC) I fully endorse N's suggested approach and appreciate the constructive, supportive advice to MM. I suggest we let this go. A page warning is sufficient. I doubt the wisdom of logging this. I will take full responsibilty for her future conduct. I am staking my extremely modest reputation on WP on MM's constructive future development into a long term and useful editor. I think she knows that now. Don't let this initial error of attitude haunt her record as she (hopefully) develops her WP contribution positively. Cheers. Irondome (talk) 00:22, 31 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by ZScarpia What constitutes a revert is defined in Misplaced Pages policy as follows: "An edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes other editors' actions—whether in whole or in part—counts as a revert." On this page and other noticeboards, in adjudicating claimed breaches of XRR editing restrictions, there has been a long-term tendency for admins to apply their own personal interpretations of what a revert is, ignoring or modifying the policy definition in various degrees. This has led to arbitrariness in interpretation of the rules and confusion among editors as to what they and other editors can or cannot do. Thus, various admins in the Result section are maintaining that a modification to text in the article only counts as a revert if the original text was added or changed recently. The long-term confusion over what a revert is has led to various unsuccessful attempts to clarify the policy relating to it, such as this one by Passionless. @The Panda: "If mono's first edit included any text that had recently been added and reverted, then the first edit can be considered to be a revert. It appears to be a rather extensive edit, but may have combined previous edits with new edits in order to make it appear to be a new edit." I find that there is so much ambiguity in that comment that I don't know exactly how to read it, but it appears to be saying that unless Mono (an unfortunate abbreviation for anyone who knows a little Spanish) changed text that had been recently added or modified, his change was not a revert. If that is the case, can you justify your interpretation of what a revert is by relating it to policy or derived consensus, or are you applying an entirely personal qualification to what the policy says a revert is? @Monty: "In my opinion, an edit that makes a change to text that hasn't been touched recently is not a revert." We have a policy definition of what a revert is, so shouldn't you be relating your interpretation of whether or not a revert was made to that rather that applying your own personal definition? Perhaps what you should have written was not, applying your own definition, that "a change to text that hasn't been touched recently is not a revert", but that you don't think that a change to text which has not been touched recently should be treated as a revert when arbitrating how the 1RR restriction on ARBPIA articles is applied? @Sandstein: "As submitted, this is not actionable because the request does not make clear which edit the first reported diff is supposed to be a revert of." However, the diff shows that a change was made to the existing text, which means that, unless Mono was altering text added by himself (and I'd say it's fairly clear it wasn't originally added by him), that he was altering one or more editors' actions in whole or in part, the policy definition of what a revert is, wasn't he? Why exactly are you insisting that evidence of the route by which the original text came into the article be given? Now, if Mono had been copy-editing the original text, that is, improving its style but not changing its meaning, you could argue that he has not 'altered' other editors' actions in a meaningful sense. What he did, though, was to grossly change sourced text which said that Palestinians are the descendents of many peoples who lived in the land, to saying that they are the descendents only of Arabs, who the Zionist version of history says arrived from Arabia displacing, rather than amalgamating with, the existing inhabitants. "We don't care about whose position is more historically correct ... ." You should perhaps care that Mono subverted sourced text to misrepresent the given sources, though? ← ZScarpia 12:54, 29 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by Irondome I am MM's mentor. I took on the task a few days before I left for a ten day totally off-line break, so I have only caught up with events a few hours ago. I have been in email contact with MM extensively in the last few hours and I can gladly confirm that MM's completely unwarranted and inaccurate slur on Nishidani was based on skimpy reading of a past post without reading its overall context and inexperience. I have taken MM to task on that and MM unreservedly apologises. I am taking measures to ensure MM reads all WP policy guidelines and gets some WP:CLUE. Said editor will consult with me and on relevant talk pages when considering edits and will seek consensus in future. I think MM has a good future as a productive member of the community if given the correct guidance. Said editor's age is precocious with regard to a subject of such sensitivity, and I would suggest we attempt to retain young editors who have the guts to register and be so open about themselves. We must not scare off young female editors. MM has potential if she plays by the rules and is given communal guidance. Irondome (talk) 00:56, 30 July 2014 (UTC) Result concerning Monochrome monitor This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. Zero0000 Are you requesting a block for the 1RR vio or a ban of some sort? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:06, 28 July 2014 (UTC) Regarding 1RR, when looked at as two groups the edits are a 1RR violation, see this one (separated by sean.hoyland's edit) then this one however we probably need to look more deeply into this. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:29, 28 July 2014 (UTC) @Shrike If mono's first edit included any text that had recently been added and reverted, then the first edit can be considered to be a revert. It appears to be a rather extensive edit, but may have combined previous edits with new edits in order to make it appear to be a new edit the panda ₯’ 11:24, 28 July 2014 (UTC) As submitted, this is not actionable because the request does not make clear which edit the first reported diff is supposed to be a revert of. Everybody, please save yourselves and us the content discussions. We don't care about whose position is more historically correct – this is AE, we are all about conduct, not content – and personally I know so little about the history of the region that I wouldn't be able to identify any but the most evident bias. At a conduct level, I am concerned by Monochrome monitor's general aggressiveness as seen on this page, as well as by the personal attack ("tool"), the implicit and as far as I can tell unfounded accusation of antisemitism towards another editor above ("You consider Jews to be greedy land-grabbing colonialists") and the misleading edit summary "sentence flow, slight reword" (whereas in reality substantial alterations were made). Does this warrant a topic ban on its own? Sandstein 17:43, 28 July 2014 (UTC) The 1RR issue is a bit convoluted but I'd concentrate more on the general attitude to editing from this editor. Historically in the IP area, persistently throwing out accusations of anti-semitism against other editors tends not to end well, and there are other NPA issues as well. Black Kite (talk) 20:50, 28 July 2014 (UTC) In my opinion, an edit that makes a change to text that hasn't been touched recently is not a revert. In the absence of anyone being able to figure out how long the text has been there, I can't consider the first set of edits to be a revert. However I also agree that his recent attitude, including the personal attacks, combined with his previous block less than 1 month ago, and the fact that we even need to discuss whether the first edit is a revert, all speaks to the need for an additional sanction. Perhaps a topic ban in the 1-3 month range? Monty ₈₄₅ 21:34, 28 July 2014 (UTC) Agree with Sandstein that this is not actionable as a 1RR report. I recommend closing this. There is justified alarm about Monochrome monitor's attitude to other editors working on I/P articles but probably not enough for a topic ban. Unless this editor changes their approach they are likely to be back here soon and shouldn't expect much sympathy if that occurs. EdJohnston (talk) 00:32, 30 July 2014 (UTC) I'd agree with a close with no restrictions, but given the evidence presented we would be remiss to close this with no action and hence giving everyone the opportunity to say that Monochrome monitor has done nothing wrong. Instead I think at the least we should be giving a logged warning. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 03:18, 30 July 2014 (UTC) Closed per discussion above. This is not a 1RR violation, but Monochrome monitor is warned that they may be blocked or banned if they continue to edit in a confrontative manner in the Arab-Israeli topic area. This warning is logged in the list of sanctions. If an administrator disagrees, they are of course free to impose a sanction on their own authority. Sandstein 07:06, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Monochrome monitor is warned that they may be blocked or banned if they continue to edit in a confrontative manner in the Arab-Israeli topic area. Sandstein 07:06, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Request concerning Monochrome monitor

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Zero0000 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 10:50, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Monochrome monitor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: ARBPIA :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

09:03, 28 July 2014 First revert
08:42–09:33, 28 July 2014 Second revert

Regarding the first revert: The text deleted was first introduced in 2011 but has been fought over countless times since then (I can supply a list of more than 20 diffs in which the text was modified in a hostile fashion). The most recent edits were in March this year: . The most recent of those can be taken as the reverted edit, if it is thought that a specific edit must be indicated.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

06:43, 10 July 2014 36 hour block for 1RR violation

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

Given formal notification of ARBPIA discretionary sanctions
Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on 10 July 2014 (as above) by Callanecc (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA).
Participated in an arbitration request or enforcement procedure about the area of conflict in the last twelve months, Wikieditorpro section.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I don't make reports like this unless I think we would be better off without the editor concerned. Shows a strong pattern of editing to a personal POV.

@Callanecc: I think that a ban would require a more extensive report than I have made, so in this instance I believe a temporary block would be adequate. Given this editor's recent block for the same offence, the block should be of duration appropriate to a repeat violation.

@Shrike: The first contiguous sequence of edits deleted existing text together with it's academic source. I wouldn't call it a revert if it was a mere rewording or replacement by a better source, but in fact it was deletion of cited text in order to substitute text with a different pov. Ergo, a revert.

@the panda: Actually I think the meaning of "revert" has been taken too literally recently and there is a danger of losing sight of the purpose of the rule, namely to suppress or at least slow down edit warring. I regard the first diff to be a revert, not just because it changes and deletes previous text but because it is done for the clear purpose of pressing one pov while deleting another. These edits removed two pieces of text, both well cited, that refer to the Palestinians having deep roots in Palestine, and inserted in the place of the first a reference only to recent times. This is one of the major point of contention in the subject and such a change is clearly edit-warring. In addition, the edit that deleted the sentence cited to scholar Alan Dowty had the edit summary "sentence flow, slight reword" which is very hard to see as a summary made in good faith. Zero 12:15, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

@Sandstein @Monty : I have added to the complaints section an indication of which previous edit was reverted, of March this year. Zero 10:53, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

notified

Discussion concerning Monochrome monitor

Statement by Monochrome monitor

Okay, I didn't violate anything. That's just shoddy reporting. The first citation is my edit to the article. The second edit is me reverting someone who undid my edits to the article. I stopped advocating my edit after that. I did absolutely nothing wrong. --monochrome_monitor 11:01, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

What the hell? It was one revert. My first was an edit and the second was a revert to that edit. And are you serious? You think wikipedia would be better off without me? That's absurd. If you read my edits they were not biased and I've been told that I've greatly improved NPOV by different editos. The fact that the same admin wants to report me is also absurd. --monochrome_monitor 11:12, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

I did not mean to attack him ad hominem, if it was offensive I apologize. --monochrome_monitor 11:56, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

So it seems like we established that I didn't break one revert, can I leave this kangaroo court? I already apologized for the offense I didn't know that we couldn't refer to users even if we didn't address their names.

@zero Your definition of revert isn't revert. And I did not substitute one POV for another. I used the prevailing POV—that Palestinians have roots in Palestine since 780ish, even the article admits Palestine wasn't Arab until then. This article endorses the historical revisionist view that Palestinians are all the the people who existed before them simultaneously. I was trying to make the article NPOV. The purpose of the article is obviously to promote the "palestinians as indigenous" narrative when it should address ALL narratives. I tried to use to most centrist narrative as possible. And as per the reference, I tried to add a reference from a more neutral source but broke the reference link so I deleted it. You don't need to presume that all of my actions have some sort of insidious intent. I just think moderation in this area is very important considering all the rhetoric right now and its accompanying violence. --monochrome_monitor 12:35, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

So, yeah. I'm trying to make the article NPOV because it advocates a fringe idea. Just as scholars don't have a consensus on any Palestinian national identity, they don't have a consensus on Palestinian indigineity. However you spell that. I understand this will only further enrage the people who just want to see me reported, so be it. --monochrome_monitor 12:54, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, that's it from me I obviously didn't violate the rule though I was rude and I'm sorry for that. I just wish there was someone who could understand where I'm coming from here. The page needs changing, I tried to change it by adding statistics/date and not the research of some Palestinian guy.--monochrome_monitor 12:58, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

@Nishidani "Like every other sentence"—nice ad hominem attack. How petty. "You made a grammatical error", hilarious. I usually fix grammatical errors as you yourself acknowledged in your reversion. Some of my edits in talk namespaces contain grammatical errors and I don't address them because the message is conveyed. Many other users make grammatical errors, yet you don't seem to care about them. Meanwhile, way to insult me by calling me "racist", an absurd and hypocritical accusation. I have not used one epithet except "antisemite", as you're a far-left anti-israel third-wordist with a talk page explicitly stating your contempt of Jewish editors and Israel. You consider Jews to be greedy land-grabbing colonialists and when someone calls you out you cry "racism". You call accepted demographic facts "talking points" just because they don't fit your fringe idea of Palestinians as some ancient civilization of peaceful olive-grove dwelling nomads. You assume that I have some insidious purpose because I (and any moderate person) disagree with you and the bias in this article. It does not present the mainstream opinion and instead uses an extreme as a default. I HAVE read the historical scholarship, including the historical revisionism peddled out by the likes of Yasser Arafat, and it's just that, revisionism. I'm not saying there are any "real owners", it's not some sort of blood-land feud, but this articles deliberately misleads the audience into thinking Arab Palestinians (who arrived in the late 8th century) are directly related to obsolete unrelated biblical entities. The fact that you consider Canaanites to be Palestinian, for example, proves I have legitimate concerns about your neutrality. My edit actually provided the definition of a Palestinian refugee, something it was missing, as well as a guide to the application of "Palestinian" vs "Israeli Arab".--monochrome_monitor 17:19, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

@sandstein Thanks for adding your input. Please check my other edits, like those on Rachel Corrie which have been very well received, to see I'm just trying to add nuetrality. I was being aggressive towards that user but in my personal opinion that doesn't justify a topic ban considering the actual content of my edit is not questionable. I apologize for the edit summary, it was written halfway through editing and not updating. I think it would be reasonable to assume good faith since I wasn't subversive. On my complaints, check that user's (very inflammatory) talk page, he has been called antisemitic many times before. I'm just one of many to object. Instead of shooting the messenger, ask yourself if our objections are valid. Along with some obvious extremely anti-israel POV the user is also very condescending to users who disagree with him.--monochrome_monitor 18:19, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

For the record, Nishidani changed "I don't particularly mind the crude racist insults documented on my page" to something very different, making him guilt of exactly the same offense he is currently outraged for (calling him antisemitic). When I revised my edit he reinstated it to make a point, therefore I will put it here lest someone think he's above petty libels. --monochrome_monitor 19:15, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

So anyway I'd really like to end the dispute it's really stressing me out. I hope you can understand my aggression as defensive when being targeted as breaking a rule I didn't even break. --monochrome_monitor 19:26, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Apologies to all. Especially Nishidani whom I addressed on his talk page. --monochrome_monitor 00:42, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Shrike

Exactly to what version "the first revert" was reverting?--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 11:07, 28 July 2014 (UTC) Also in general in past AE cases first edit was considered a revert if it was explicitly reverting something but this not a case as far a I can see.--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 11:13, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

@DangerousPanda Here is the past case

Here what is written by User:Timotheus_Canens

I don't think DLDD's first edit is a revert. AE has repeatedly held that edits falling within the technical definition may nonetheless not qualify as a revert; in Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive73#SlimVirgin, for example, the first edit at issue removed an entire section, but it was nonetheless held to be not a revert

--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 11:35, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Johnuniq

I noticed that Monochrome monitor added then removed a comment at User talk:Nishidani. The removal edit summary was "deleted my question, convo with you will get me no where (blatant antisemite)" (diff). The removed comment included "Looking at your page you seem to biased and a bit antisemitic, I think I'll consult more neutral parties". MM should be informed that discussion about an article belongs on its talk page, and that attacks on other editors are not permitted. Johnuniq (talk) 11:22, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Nomoskedasticity

This edit, referring to another editor as a "total tool", adds to my impression that Monochrome monitor is not going to make a constructive contribution to the I/P editing area. I was going to post about his calling Nishidani an anti-Semite as well, but I see that's already been addressed above. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 11:56, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Sandstein's fastidiousness is puzzling. The first revert indicated by Zero in the initial report is a revert insofar as it removes Dowty as a source and also changes "majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are descendants of Christians, Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant whose core may reach back to prehistoric times" to "majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are closely related to Christians, Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant" -- thus removing the notion of current residents being "descendants". It doesn't matter who originally added it -- what matters is that Monochome deleted it: a revert. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:32, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Nishidani

'The article fails to history.' That, like every other sentence I've examined from monochrome writer, is ungrammatical. But the list of remarks that follows it, shows that this editor has zero knowledge of historical scholarship, since it systematically trots out clichés in 'fact sheet handouts' printed to 'guide' activists in the I/P area (for how complex this is see Demographics of Palestine. Whatever, by 1900 94% of the population was 'Arab'(Muslim/Christian), who were not blow-ins barging into a Jewish land to dispossess the real owners, i.e., since Byzantine times an exiguous minority. All this is straight out of Joan Peters's fictional book and even poorer sources. I don't particularly mind the crude insults (5)imputing me with racism documented on my page, some while he was reported here. But in this area we do not need walk-in editors brandishing a programme of pseudoids to conduct edit-wars.Nishidani (talk) 13:28, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Since the editor is new to the area, no sanction is necessary. A warning on her page is sufficient. The WP:AGF problem was addressed on my page with an apology that is a first up for the dozens of people who have thrown that accusation my way, sign of reflection, and bona fides. Thirdly, mentorship is underway, and that itself is sufficient. One note to the newby. Optimal editing here, which is all that is acceptable given the conflictual bitterness, requires close reading of scholarly sources and avoidance of any meme-driven sourcing. One should never, particularly when young, delude oneself into thinking one 'knows' the facts about a situation and history as complex as this one.Nishidani (talk) 12:26, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

I fully endorse N's suggested approach and appreciate the constructive, supportive advice to MM. I suggest we let this go. A page warning is sufficient. I doubt the wisdom of logging this. I will take full responsibilty for her future conduct. I am staking my extremely modest reputation on WP on MM's constructive future development into a long term and useful editor. I think she knows that now. Don't let this initial error of attitude haunt her record as she (hopefully) develops her WP contribution positively. Cheers. Irondome (talk) 00:22, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by ZScarpia

What constitutes a revert is defined in Misplaced Pages policy as follows: "An edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes other editors' actions—whether in whole or in part—counts as a revert." On this page and other noticeboards, in adjudicating claimed breaches of XRR editing restrictions, there has been a long-term tendency for admins to apply their own personal interpretations of what a revert is, ignoring or modifying the policy definition in various degrees. This has led to arbitrariness in interpretation of the rules and confusion among editors as to what they and other editors can or cannot do. Thus, various admins in the Result section are maintaining that a modification to text in the article only counts as a revert if the original text was added or changed recently. The long-term confusion over what a revert is has led to various unsuccessful attempts to clarify the policy relating to it, such as this one by Passionless.

@The Panda: "If mono's first edit included any text that had recently been added and reverted, then the first edit can be considered to be a revert. It appears to be a rather extensive edit, but may have combined previous edits with new edits in order to make it appear to be a new edit." I find that there is so much ambiguity in that comment that I don't know exactly how to read it, but it appears to be saying that unless Mono (an unfortunate abbreviation for anyone who knows a little Spanish) changed text that had been recently added or modified, his change was not a revert. If that is the case, can you justify your interpretation of what a revert is by relating it to policy or derived consensus, or are you applying an entirely personal qualification to what the policy says a revert is?

@Monty: "In my opinion, an edit that makes a change to text that hasn't been touched recently is not a revert." We have a policy definition of what a revert is, so shouldn't you be relating your interpretation of whether or not a revert was made to that rather that applying your own personal definition? Perhaps what you should have written was not, applying your own definition, that "a change to text that hasn't been touched recently is not a revert", but that you don't think that a change to text which has not been touched recently should be treated as a revert when arbitrating how the 1RR restriction on ARBPIA articles is applied?

@Sandstein: "As submitted, this is not actionable because the request does not make clear which edit the first reported diff is supposed to be a revert of." However, the diff shows that a change was made to the existing text, which means that, unless Mono was altering text added by himself (and I'd say it's fairly clear it wasn't originally added by him), that he was altering one or more editors' actions in whole or in part, the policy definition of what a revert is, wasn't he? Why exactly are you insisting that evidence of the route by which the original text came into the article be given? Now, if Mono had been copy-editing the original text, that is, improving its style but not changing its meaning, you could argue that he has not 'altered' other editors' actions in a meaningful sense. What he did, though, was to grossly change sourced text which said that Palestinians are the descendents of many peoples who lived in the land, to saying that they are the descendents only of Arabs, who the Zionist version of history says arrived from Arabia displacing, rather than amalgamating with, the existing inhabitants. "We don't care about whose position is more historically correct ... ." You should perhaps care that Mono subverted sourced text to misrepresent the given sources, though?

← ZScarpia 12:54, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Irondome

I am MM's mentor. I took on the task a few days before I left for a ten day totally off-line break, so I have only caught up with events a few hours ago. I have been in email contact with MM extensively in the last few hours and I can gladly confirm that MM's completely unwarranted and inaccurate slur on Nishidani was based on skimpy reading of a past post without reading its overall context and inexperience. I have taken MM to task on that and MM unreservedly apologises. I am taking measures to ensure MM reads all WP policy guidelines and gets some WP:CLUE. Said editor will consult with me and on relevant talk pages when considering edits and will seek consensus in future. I think MM has a good future as a productive member of the community if given the correct guidance. Said editor's age is precocious with regard to a subject of such sensitivity, and I would suggest we attempt to retain young editors who have the guts to register and be so open about themselves. We must not scare off young female editors. MM has potential if she plays by the rules and is given communal guidance. Irondome (talk) 00:56, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Result concerning Monochrome monitor

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

Zero0000 Are you requesting a block for the 1RR vio or a ban of some sort? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:06, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- Regarding 1RR, when looked at as two groups the edits are a 1RR violation, see this one (separated by sean.hoyland's edit) then this one however we probably need to look more deeply into this. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:29, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
@Shrike If mono's first edit included any text that had recently been added and reverted, then the first edit can be considered to be a revert. It appears to be a rather extensive edit, but may have combined previous edits with new edits in order to make it appear to be a new edit the panda ₯’ 11:24, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
As submitted, this is not actionable because the request does not make clear which edit the first reported diff is supposed to be a revert of. Everybody, please save yourselves and us the content discussions. We don't care about whose position is more historically correct – this is AE, we are all about conduct, not content – and personally I know so little about the history of the region that I wouldn't be able to identify any but the most evident bias. At a conduct level, I am concerned by Monochrome monitor's general aggressiveness as seen on this page, as well as by the personal attack ("tool"), the implicit and as far as I can tell unfounded accusation of antisemitism towards another editor above ("You consider Jews to be greedy land-grabbing colonialists") and the misleading edit summary "sentence flow, slight reword" (whereas in reality substantial alterations were made). Does this warrant a topic ban on its own? Sandstein 17:43, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
The 1RR issue is a bit convoluted but I'd concentrate more on the general attitude to editing from this editor. Historically in the IP area, persistently throwing out accusations of anti-semitism against other editors tends not to end well, and there are other NPA issues as well. Black Kite (talk) 20:50, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
In my opinion, an edit that makes a change to text that hasn't been touched recently is not a revert. In the absence of anyone being able to figure out how long the text has been there, I can't consider the first set of edits to be a revert. However I also agree that his recent attitude, including the personal attacks, combined with his previous block less than 1 month ago, and the fact that we even need to discuss whether the first edit is a revert, all speaks to the need for an additional sanction. Perhaps a topic ban in the 1-3 month range? Monty ₈₄₅ 21:34, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Agree with Sandstein that this is not actionable as a 1RR report. I recommend closing this. There is justified alarm about Monochrome monitor's attitude to other editors working on I/P articles but probably not enough for a topic ban. Unless this editor changes their approach they are likely to be back here soon and shouldn't expect much sympathy if that occurs. EdJohnston (talk) 00:32, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
- I'd agree with a close with no restrictions, but given the evidence presented we would be remiss to close this with no action and hence giving everyone the opportunity to say that Monochrome monitor has done nothing wrong. Instead I think at the least we should be giving a logged warning. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 03:18, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Closed per discussion above. This is not a 1RR violation, but Monochrome monitor is warned that they may be blocked or banned if they continue to edit in a confrontative manner in the Arab-Israeli topic area. This warning is logged in the list of sanctions. If an administrator disagrees, they are of course free to impose a sanction on their own authority. Sandstein 07:06, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Uishaki

Uishaki (talk · contribs) is indefinitely topic-banned from all pages relating to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed. They may appeal this sanction in six months. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 18:29, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Request concerning Uishaki User who is submitting this request for enforcement Shrike (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:52, 28 July 2014 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested Uishaki (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log Sanction or remedy to be enforced WP:ARBPIA : Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it 28 July 2014 Replacing word Israel to Palestine - clearly POV push to deny Israel existence. 28 July 2014 Replacing word Israel to Palestine - clearly POV push to deny Israel existence. 28 July 2014 Source falsification the source only contains political statement of some body and doesn't support the text that was added by the user moreover the source doesn't talk about Bedouins at all 28 July 2014 Again source falsification the source doesn't talk about Bedouins at all moreover such controversial statements should be properly attributed. 27 July 2014 Deleting sourced information without any explanation. 26 July 2014 Deleting Israeli cities/settlements just because their Israeli moreover Mevaseret Zion is not settlement at all. 20 July 2014 Creating one sided article without any shred of WP:NPOV.The original name of the article was Shuja'iyya massacre . Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any 12 May 2014‎ zero-revert restriction on all articles already subject to the ARBPIA 1RR for one week, expiring at 08:41, 19 May 2014 (UTC), due to tendentious editing at Falafel and Palestine League. If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts) Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on 12 May 2014‎ by Darkwind (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA). Additional comments by editor filing complaint The user is clearly not here to edit in WP:NPOV it seems that his Modus operandi is to deny Israel existence as clearly shown by his edits when he deletes an Israeli cities or exchange Israel to Palestine and he doesn't really hide it as he clearly states in his second user box . Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested Discussion concerning Uishaki Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks. Statement by Uishaki I repeat that I do not accept any distortion of the Palestinian history as many Israeli users are doing. How many times have Jewish sources been fabricated and used for your agendas and interests without any questioning. Misplaced Pages is owned by Israel and its followers. Its up to me if I deny Israel's existence on my user page because there is something called "freedom of speech". The article about Shuja'iyya massacre was absolutely not one sided because I wrote only the stuff I found on different websites. Shrike you are only here to polishing the ugly face of Israel, but I am sure that you will fail.--Uishaki (talk) 22:44, 28 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by Nishidani I haven't got time to look closely through that yet, but, some of those edits are poor, yet the first two complaints are nonensical and consist of content disputes. The article on olives speaks of from western Mediterran to Israel, and Uishaki replaced Israel with Palestine. What (s)he should have done is written 'Israel/Palestine'. But using Palestine, the historical term, is not a denial of Israel's existence. Olives are a very sensitive issue here: it is often said Israel has uprooted 800,000 olive trees from Palestinian land since the occupation began (1967). I don't know if that is true, but the numbers are huge, the destruction of non-Israeli olive plantations ongoing, and a considerable amount of the uprooted trees are transported into Israel to be replanted there. To a Palestinian eye, a text that says 'olive cultivation extends to 'Israel' means the exclusion of the fact that olive has been long before the establishment of that state a fundamental product of Palestine, and properly NPOV requires that one write Israel/Palestine, for intense cultivation extends past Israel through to the border with Jordan. Rather than deny Israel's existence, the text ishaki changed denied the fact that olive production extends east of the Mediterranean through to Palestine (West Bank/Gaza), and he was probably reading it to be a denial of the existence of Palestine. So you should remove those two at least.Nishidani (talk) 21:34, 28 July 2014 (UTC) I don't think Shrike's use of those diffs makes a comvincing case, (what he did in creating the Shuja'iyya article is done every other day by editors whom Uishaki perceives to be opposed to him, and is never reported, rightly so, because you Afd such stuff, and if the community approves, it passes, as this did) because bad editing in the I/P area, and I might attitude belligerent personal attitudes like the one he displays, are normative and almost never reported. On the other hand, as per Lord Roem and Sandstein, Uishaki's response here alone is sufficient to show that he has a battlefield mentality, a conspiratorial view, and an insouciance to WP:NPOV to warrant a strong sanction. I have never seen an 'attitude' sanctioned, but that may reflect my ignorance, of course.Nishidani (talk) 09:12, 29 July 2014 (UTC) Nishidani (talk) 09:12, 29 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by (username) Result concerning Uishaki This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. Based on the evidence above, the prior sanction from May, and the editor's own statement, I think they've committed themselves to being disruptive and therefore propose a topic ban. Due to the editor's record, I think the timeframe should be, at a minimum, six months. --Lord Roem ~ (talk) 23:09, 28 July 2014 (UTC) Based only on Uishaki's statement, it is evident that they are not here to contribute to Misplaced Pages as a neutral reference work, but to promote what they believe is the truth. Their statement exhibits a degree of prejudice towards editors of a different background that is incompatible with being a productive part of a collaborative project. I think that an indefinite topic ban from the Arab-Israeli conflict topic area is needed. As an aside, there is no right to free speech on Misplaced Pages; we are not here to exchange opinions but to write an encyclopedia. Sandstein 08:09, 29 July 2014 (UTC) Agree with Lord Roem and Sandstein as to the problem. I would support an indefinite topic ban with the possibility of appeal after six months. EdJohnston (talk) 00:36, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Uishaki (talk · contribs) is indefinitely topic-banned from all pages relating to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed. They may appeal this sanction in six months. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 18:29, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Request concerning Uishaki

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Shrike (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:52, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Uishaki (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: WP:ARBPIA :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

28 July 2014 Replacing word Israel to Palestine - clearly POV push to deny Israel existence.
28 July 2014 Replacing word Israel to Palestine - clearly POV push to deny Israel existence.
28 July 2014 Source falsification the source only contains political statement of some body and doesn't support the text that was added by the user moreover the source doesn't talk about Bedouins at all
28 July 2014 Again source falsification the source doesn't talk about Bedouins at all moreover such controversial statements should be properly attributed.
27 July 2014 Deleting sourced information without any explanation.
26 July 2014 Deleting Israeli cities/settlements just because their Israeli moreover Mevaseret Zion is not settlement at all.
20 July 2014 Creating one sided article without any shred of WP:NPOV.The original name of the article was Shuja'iyya massacre .

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

12 May 2014‎ zero-revert restriction on all articles already subject to the ARBPIA 1RR for one week, expiring at 08:41, 19 May 2014 (UTC), due to tendentious editing at Falafel and Palestine League.

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on 12 May 2014‎ by Darkwind (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA).

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

The user is clearly not here to edit in WP:NPOV it seems that his Modus operandi is to deny Israel existence as clearly shown by his edits when he deletes an Israeli cities or exchange Israel to Palestine and he doesn't really hide it as he clearly states in his second user box .

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Uishaki

Statement by Uishaki

I repeat that I do not accept any distortion of the Palestinian history as many Israeli users are doing. How many times have Jewish sources been fabricated and used for your agendas and interests without any questioning. Misplaced Pages is owned by Israel and its followers. Its up to me if I deny Israel's existence on my user page because there is something called "freedom of speech". The article about Shuja'iyya massacre was absolutely not one sided because I wrote only the stuff I found on different websites. Shrike you are only here to polishing the ugly face of Israel, but I am sure that you will fail.--Uishaki (talk) 22:44, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Nishidani

I haven't got time to look closely through that yet, but, some of those edits are poor, yet the first two complaints are nonensical and consist of content disputes. The article on olives speaks of from western Mediterran to Israel, and Uishaki replaced Israel with Palestine. What (s)he should have done is written 'Israel/Palestine'. But using Palestine, the historical term, is not a denial of Israel's existence. Olives are a very sensitive issue here: it is often said Israel has uprooted 800,000 olive trees from Palestinian land since the occupation began (1967). I don't know if that is true, but the numbers are huge, the destruction of non-Israeli olive plantations ongoing, and a considerable amount of the uprooted trees are transported into Israel to be replanted there. To a Palestinian eye, a text that says 'olive cultivation extends to 'Israel' means the exclusion of the fact that olive has been long before the establishment of that state a fundamental product of Palestine, and properly NPOV requires that one write Israel/Palestine, for intense cultivation extends past Israel through to the border with Jordan. Rather than deny Israel's existence, the text ishaki changed denied the fact that olive production extends east of the Mediterranean through to Palestine (West Bank/Gaza), and he was probably reading it to be a denial of the existence of Palestine. So you should remove those two at least.Nishidani (talk) 21:34, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't think Shrike's use of those diffs makes a comvincing case, (what he did in creating the Shuja'iyya article is done every other day by editors whom Uishaki perceives to be opposed to him, and is never reported, rightly so, because you Afd such stuff, and if the community approves, it passes, as this did) because bad editing in the I/P area, and I might attitude belligerent personal attitudes like the one he displays, are normative and almost never reported. On the other hand, as per Lord Roem and Sandstein, Uishaki's response here alone is sufficient to show that he has a battlefield mentality, a conspiratorial view, and an insouciance to WP:NPOV to warrant a strong sanction. I have never seen an 'attitude' sanctioned, but that may reflect my ignorance, of course.Nishidani (talk) 09:12, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Nishidani (talk) 09:12, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Uishaki

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Based on the evidence above, the prior sanction from May, and the editor's own statement, I think they've committed themselves to being disruptive and therefore propose a topic ban. Due to the editor's record, I think the timeframe should be, at a minimum, six months. --Lord Roem ~ (talk) 23:09, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Based only on Uishaki's statement, it is evident that they are not here to contribute to Misplaced Pages as a neutral reference work, but to promote what they believe is the truth. Their statement exhibits a degree of prejudice towards editors of a different background that is incompatible with being a productive part of a collaborative project. I think that an indefinite topic ban from the Arab-Israeli conflict topic area is needed. As an aside, there is no right to free speech on Misplaced Pages; we are not here to exchange opinions but to write an encyclopedia. Sandstein 08:09, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Agree with Lord Roem and Sandstein as to the problem. I would support an indefinite topic ban with the possibility of appeal after six months. EdJohnston (talk) 00:36, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

John Carter

John Carter (talk · contribs) is blocked for two weeks. --Lord Roem ~ (talk) 05:48, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Request concerning John Carter User who is submitting this request for enforcement Ignocrates (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 14:54, 29 July 2014 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested John Carter (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log Sanction or remedy to be enforced Ebionites 3 Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it 19 Feb 2014 John Carter explicitly mentioned my name in a comment about our mutual interaction ban on Ret.Prof's talk page. 22 Feb 2014 John Carter commented on my request to AGK for admin oversight of mediation. 22 Feb 2014 Diff from the same thread in which John Carter responded to my comment to AGK by threatening me with an I-ban violation. 19 July 2014 John Carter directly commented on my comment in a conversation on PiCo's talk page. 28 July 2014 John Carter responded directly to my comment on Ret.Prof's talk page. Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any Date Explanation Date Explanation If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts) Mentioned by name in the Arbitration Committee's Final Decision linked to above. Previously blocked as a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict, see the block log linked to above. Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on Date by Username (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA). Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, see the system log linked to above. Gave an alert about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on Date Participated in an arbitration request or enforcement procedure about the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on Date. Successfully appealed all their own sanctions relating to the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on Date. Additional comments by editor filing complaint Please take whatever actions are required to make the interaction ban violations stop. Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested John Carter has been made aware of the request for enforcement here. Discussion concerning John Carter Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks. Statement by John Carter FWIW, at least to my eyes, the comment on PiCo's page was actually directed at PiCo, and I was operating on the possibly mistaken assumption that indicating a baseless allegation of assuming bad faith, which is effectively a personal attack in and of itself, was not necessarily considered within the scope of the sanctions. If I was wrong in that I regret the honest mistake. It is I believe worth noting that the review of Ret.Prof's talk page history I indicated would I think indicate Ignocrates had acted as a kind of tutor to Ret.Prof, which would counterindicate any assumption of bad faith on his part, or in effect be defending him against the assumed allegation. Also, would be willing to agree to a short self-imposed topic restriction if such is indicated to finish User:John Carter/encyclopedias which I already lost in internal memory once and transfer the final data to Bibliography of encyclopedias and related. On unrelated points I wonder whether the decidedly prejudicial and I believe questionable section title Ignocrates used in his notification to me of this discussion is appropriate conduct or potentially actionable as well. The confusing apparent lack of editing this request, or perhaps lack of attention to the request or even of how to file a competent request, makes it harder for me to know how some of the material above relates to this request, if it in fact relates at all. John Carter (talk) 16:19, 29 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by (username) Result concerning John Carter This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. Just to confirm that Ignocrates contacted the committee prior to making this request and I told him AE would be the best place to handle it. No comment on the request itself. Worm(talk) 14:59, 29 July 2014 (UTC) In my mind, the 2 diffs within last 10 days are clearly violations. Since John hasn't been sanctioned under the case before, I recommend either a block of 2 weeks or 1 month (which is the maximum we can block him for, given by the remedy in the case). - Penwhale \| 15:40, 29 July 2014 (UTC) John, I cannot find a way to construe this as being not directed at Ignocrates, as the first of that edit would make no sense. - Penwhale \| 21:46, 29 July 2014 (UTC) Agreed with a 2 week block. Sandstein 20:41, 29 July 2014 (UTC) Though this complaint might have been organized better, it does appear to show John Carter violating his interaction ban from Ignocrates. A two-week block is appropriate. The comments by John Carter that are quoted don't put him in a good light. Note that two sections above are not pertinent and should be struck out: 'Diffs of previous relevant sanctions' as well as the entire section about discretionary sanctions. This arbitration case does not provide any discretionary sanctions. EdJohnston (talk) 01:17, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

John Carter (talk · contribs) is blocked for two weeks. --Lord Roem ~ (talk) 05:48, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Request concerning John Carter

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Ignocrates (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 14:54, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: John Carter (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Ebionites 3

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

19 Feb 2014 John Carter explicitly mentioned my name in a comment about our mutual interaction ban on Ret.Prof's talk page.
22 Feb 2014 John Carter commented on my request to AGK for admin oversight of mediation.
22 Feb 2014 Diff from the same thread in which John Carter responded to my comment to AGK by threatening me with an I-ban violation.
19 July 2014 John Carter directly commented on my comment in a conversation on PiCo's talk page.
28 July 2014 John Carter responded directly to my comment on Ret.Prof's talk page.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

Date Explanation
Date Explanation

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

Mentioned by name in the Arbitration Committee's Final Decision linked to above.
Previously blocked as a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict, see the block log linked to above.
Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on Date by Username (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA).
Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, see the system log linked to above.
Gave an alert about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on Date
Participated in an arbitration request or enforcement procedure about the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on Date.
Successfully appealed all their own sanctions relating to the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on Date.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Please take whatever actions are required to make the interaction ban violations stop.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

John Carter has been made aware of the request for enforcement here.

Discussion concerning John Carter

Statement by John Carter

FWIW, at least to my eyes, the comment on PiCo's page was actually directed at PiCo, and I was operating on the possibly mistaken assumption that indicating a baseless allegation of assuming bad faith, which is effectively a personal attack in and of itself, was not necessarily considered within the scope of the sanctions. If I was wrong in that I regret the honest mistake. It is I believe worth noting that the review of Ret.Prof's talk page history I indicated would I think indicate Ignocrates had acted as a kind of tutor to Ret.Prof, which would counterindicate any assumption of bad faith on his part, or in effect be defending him against the assumed allegation. Also, would be willing to agree to a short self-imposed topic restriction if such is indicated to finish User:John Carter/encyclopedias which I already lost in internal memory once and transfer the final data to Bibliography of encyclopedias and related. On unrelated points I wonder whether the decidedly prejudicial and I believe questionable section title Ignocrates used in his notification to me of this discussion is appropriate conduct or potentially actionable as well. The confusing apparent lack of editing this request, or perhaps lack of attention to the request or even of how to file a competent request, makes it harder for me to know how some of the material above relates to this request, if it in fact relates at all. John Carter (talk) 16:19, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by (username)

Result concerning John Carter

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

Just to confirm that Ignocrates contacted the committee prior to making this request and I told him AE would be the best place to handle it. No comment on the request itself. Worm(talk) 14:59, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
In my mind, the 2 diffs within last 10 days are clearly violations. Since John hasn't been sanctioned under the case before, I recommend either a block of 2 weeks or 1 month (which is the maximum we can block him for, given by the remedy in the case). - Penwhale | 15:40, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

John, I cannot find a way to construe this as being not directed at Ignocrates, as the first of that edit would make no sense. - Penwhale | 21:46, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Agreed with a 2 week block. Sandstein 20:41, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Though this complaint might have been organized better, it does appear to show John Carter violating his interaction ban from Ignocrates. A two-week block is appropriate. The comments by John Carter that are quoted don't put him in a good light. Note that two sections above are not pertinent and should be struck out: 'Diffs of previous relevant sanctions' as well as the entire section about discretionary sanctions. This arbitration case does not provide any discretionary sanctions. EdJohnston (talk) 01:17, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Sean.hoyland

Sean.hoyland is banned from the Arab-Israeli conflict topic area for three months. Concerns about the editing of Plot Spoiler are noted, but should be submitted in a separate, more succinct request focused on conduct rather than content. Sandstein 06:48, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Request concerning Sean.hoyland User who is submitting this request for enforcement Plot Spoiler (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 16:25, 29 July 2014 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested Sean.hoyland (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log Sanction or remedy to be enforced Misplaced Pages:ARBPIA - topic ban : Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it 16:01, July 28, 2014 Revert #1 19:13, July 28, 2014 Revert #2 Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any 11:07, June 28, 2014 Blocked for disruptive editing in ARBPIA topic area 22:07, 21 September 2012 Blocked for edit-warring If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts) Previously blocked as a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict, see the block log linked to above. Additional comments by editor filing complaint I notified Sean.hoyland that he violated 1RR at Palestinian tunnel warfare in the Gaza Strip (the article name has been changing) and should revert but he refused and in effect said he was above the law. Unfortunately, Sean.hoyland has become an increasingly combative editor as of late (see his recent disruptive editing block) and has been editing more or less exclusively in the I/P topic area over the past several months (just see his contributions). I think he would be well served by taking a break from the I/P topic area and making constructive edits elsewhere. @Sandstein, there could be a better title than "attack tunnels" ("terror tunnels" would be a pretty clear POV title, in comparison), but the term has been used throughout many mainstream media outlets e.g.: Christian Science Monitor Times of Israel AFP Huffington Post Associated Press Financial Times Plot Spoiler (talk) 21:11, 29 July 2014 (UTC) @ZScarpia, your reading is mistaken. I was not advocating for the title "terror tunnels" - that is a pretty clear POV title. I was demonstrating that the term "attack tunnels" has been employed in mainstream media -- not that there might be a be a suitable title than "attack tunnels". Plot Spoiler (talk) 01:32, 30 July 2014 (UTC) @Nishidani, I don't appreciate your bizarre personal attack that my username signifies that "there is a plot against an unnamed country in wikipedia and I as editor will unravel its insidious presence." My original username was "ShamWow", but I was forced to change it on short notice because that is a trademarked product. Sorry if I like movies. You should know better than to make bizarre personal attacks of no merit. Plot Spoiler (talk) 13:52, 30 July 2014 (UTC) Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested Discussion concerning Sean.hoyland Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks. Statement by Sean.hoyland I'm not going to contest the 1RR violation. I made 2 reverts. The first was to remove material that was unrelated to the subject of the article, something the editor who added it really should have known if they had read the source, and the second, intended to allow a discussion on the talk page to proceed and come to consensus without drive by interference from a non-participating editor imposing their personal view. As I said "I don't mind being blocked for that. I stand by the edit." I do however contest the notion that what I said on my talk page" can be reasonably be described as "in effect said he was above the law". That is, in fact, gross misrepresentation. Editors should not be allowed to do that because it's wrong. Not sure about "increasingly combative" either. Increasingly robotic perhaps. My response was the opposite of combative. I'm not a combatant and editing Misplaced Pages is not a battle, and yet battle rages everyday in ARBPIA. Sean.hoyland - talk 18:06, 29 July 2014 (UTC) My actions were necessary and correct. I removed content unrelated to the article and nullified the effects of an editor who ignored the ongoing discussion, a discussion that showed the lack of consensus for PS's edit. PS ignored BRD and imposed their personal view, a view inconsistent with numerous sources. Editing like that cannot be tolerated in ARBPIA and it must be nullified regardless of the consequences for the individual editors who understand and do what is necessary. The fact that admins can't see that is unfortunate but an inevitable consequence of being uninvolved. I do what is necessary in ARBPIA fully prepared to take the consequences because admins don't police the topic area. Just in case someone raises the issue that a self-revert was not an option by the time I logged in because the article had already been moved at 2014-07-28T21:27:30 as a result of the discussion (which of course resulted in a title that didn't include the word 'attack'), I want to be absolutely clear that I would not have self-reverted even if it were an option or I had been specifically instructed to do so by an admin. I can't make edits that I believe are not in the interests of the project. That includes self-reverts that facilitate editors who ignore ongoing discussions. I can't do that and I will never do that. I see admins making comments about the content. Are you involved or uninvolved ? If you are want to be involved and comment on content, you need to do the research, do it properly by examining a large set of sources and participate in the discussions that produce consensus. Of course there are sources that use the term 'attack tunnels'. Sources use a whole spectrum of terms but advocates don't care about complexity and contradictions and will pick the language they like most. It's a characteristic feature of advocacy in ARBPIA, systemic bias in source sampling rather than rational source based discussion to find consensus. It would be better if admins became involved and made hundreds of edits in ARBPIA. In fact I think it should be a requirement so that admins have a better understanding of the topic area and can make decisions that address the core issues. They will quickly figure out what is necessary to keep a lid on the non-stop WP:NOTADVOCATE disruption there. When considering the length of my topic ban consider that in 3/6/12 or any number of months times, if I see an editor do what PS did I will revert them no matter whether it happens to be my first edit or part of a sequence of contiguous edits or a technical 1RR violation because someone else happened to make an edit after my first edit. Editors can't be allowed to ignore ongoing discussions in ARBPIA and it is foolish for admins to facilitate that behavior. It's one of the root causes of conflict in the topic area and has been for years. It has to be suppressed. Technical 1RR violations and all sorts of policy violations occur countless times a day all over the topic area. Almost nobody cares, least of all admins. I don't mind being topic banned for a 1RR violation but it really isn't in the interests of the project to perpetuate the illusion that admin actions are preventative or have any effect. Admins have no control over what happens in ARBPIA and cannot prevent anything. Anyone who edits regularly in ARBPIA already knows this. The presence or absence of editors like me and the tens of thousands of edits I've made in ARBPIA have had and will always have a negligible impact relative to the very substantial numbers of editors and socks who violate WP:NOTADVOCATE every single day. Sean.hoyland - talk 08:27, 30 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by Huldra The back story: 14:18, 28 July 2014‎: article Hamas attack tunnels is started by a rather new editor, user:ShulMaven -arguing that this was different from Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels 14:23, 28 July 2014: ShulMaven moves article to Palestinian attack tunnels 15:21, 28 July 2014 I moved the article to Palestinian tunnels (not a very satisfactory title, but just to get rid of the rather NPOV article title); I also participated on the talk-page, together with the article author and User:Sean.hoyland, and several others. Basically, only the original author argued for the original title, with the controversial word attack in it. 16:01, 28 July 2014: User:Sean.hoyland removes a part which was only relevant to Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels. 19:00, 28 July 2014: Plot Spoiler unilaterally moved the article from Palestinian tunnels to Gaza Strip attack tunnels. Plot Spoiler has never participated on the talk-page, 19.13, 28 July 2014 : User:Sean.hoyland moved it back to Palestinian tunnels The article is (presently) named Palestinian tunnel warfare in the Gaza Strip; an article name most editors seem to be able to live with. Now, you can argue if there should be two different articles about these tunnels, but if it is, then we should clearly not have material in article A which only pertain to article B. And this is what User:Sean.hoyland 1.st revert was about: removing irrelevant material. Plot Spoiler unilateral move of the article, without any form of consensus, without any discussion, to an extremely controversial article name which was not supported by those who participated on the talk-page: this was clearly out of line. I think Plot Spoiler should perhaps edit in other areas than the I/P area for a while. Huldra (talk) 17:32, 29 July 2014 (UTC) User:Shrike: good question. The way I saw it was that there was clearly no consensus for keeping the contentious word attack in the title. So I moved it to the easiest option: ie, the same title, minus the word "attack". Huldra (talk) 17:55, 29 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by Shrike User:Huldra did you had any consensus to move it in the first place?--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 17:46, 29 July 2014 (UTC) User:Huldra As far as I can see there was no consensus to move it either.There is no WP:Deadline you should have waited and initiate discussion per WP:RM/CM to gain consensus .I think it should be true for any WP:ARBPIA article--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 18:07, 29 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by ZScarpia Plot Spoiler wrote: "the term has been used throughout many mainstream media outlets e.g ... ." The only one of the linked to sources which uses the term "terror tunnel" (an alternative source for the Financial Times article is here) is the Times of Israel, but then, apparently, only as a category for grouping articles. In the four most recent articles included in that category the phrase used is 'attack tunnel'. 21:56, 29 July 2014 (UTC) @Plot Spoiler, apologies, my mistake. You might like to remove the Financial Times from your list, though. It doesn't, as far as I can see, refer to attack tunnels. ← ZScarpia 15:49, 30 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by Nishidani The inflamed events of the I/P world have recently lead to a huge overload as editors rush to write new articles. Naturally, reports of ARBPIA infractions increase. There’s exasperation over both the inhumane work load being created for any conscientious practitioner of WP:NPOV, since the volume of bad edits is unmanageable, and, more particularly, the 1R is now being broken every other hour, even by serious experienced wikipedians, whatever their sympathies, pro/contra/neutral. I don’t report them because I respect the editors involved – their interest is in page improvement, so reporting them would be getting at editors to game wikipedia, even if they revert me. Worst of all, in several cases recently, admins, who should (a) give us guidance and (b) find a way out of the problem several editors (Sean Hoyland, Zero, Scarpia) have mentioned, have, perhaps understandably, just concentrated on 1R application, while, as is evident to everyone, the rule is being interpreted differently from admin to admin. There is no agreement, from complaint to complaint, among esteemed and highly experienced admins, as to the way that rule must unequivocably be read. All someone like myself can do is proceed thinking ‘I can only edit a page once a day’, while watching most editors happily copyediting, revising, removing, adjusting any one text, under furious attention from numerous posters, without paying much attention to the extreme niceties of interpretation. It is immensely frustrating to old I/P editors who have survived the insanity of this area for years. The only people being reported are egregious newbies or notable editors sanctioned in the past, or people often thought of as having membership in an I/P gang or clique. This is the context of the two cases where Sean Hoyland has been reported. In both instances, he broke the rule, and of course, a sanction is inevitable. But application of the sanction in lieu of remedies for the chaos, though inevitable in this case, will not solve anything but only complicate things. Take the reporter, Plot Spoiler. If you look at Plot Spoiler’s contribs, most of it exhibits chronic instant reverting: he’s a removalist of anything critical of Israel or favourable to Palestinians, and one who rarely confers with editors on the talk page. I always think of him as a drive-by reverter. He ‘talks’ only when reporting someone. Here a just a few examples from the last few days. I find most of his edits questionable, but will use these as a minimal sampler of what he does. 1.Thane Rosenbaum’s ‘Controversy section’ is removed wholesale on WP:BPL grounds, when all controversialists have controversy sections here What did he remove? (a) Conor Friedersdorf, The Dangerous Logic Used to Justify Killing Civilians The Atlantic 23 July 2014. Comment. The article appeared in The Atlantic, which is a perfectly middle-of the-road, respectable magazine, impeccably S. Plot Spoiler defied the usual rule to respect strong rs retention. (b)Thane Rosenbaum Hamas’s Civilian Deaths Strategy Wall Street Journal 21 July 2014. Comment: The article appeared in the Wall Street Journal, which no one questions as RS. Plot Spoiler ignored the usual rule to respect strong rs retention. (c) Daniel Larison, Non-Combatants and Gaza The American Conservative 21 July 2014. Comment: The article appeared in The American Conservative, eminently rs, and Plot Spoiler ignores the rule to retain such strong rs In sum, three eminently adequate RS are expunged because Plot Spoiler apparently either dislikes criticism of Israel, even in mainstream journals, or does not tolerate any expansion of articles by notable journalists that see problems with Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. That kind of editing is self-evidently POV pushing, and the pretextual expunging of S can find not basis in wiki policy or practice. (2) Mark Braverman removing some advert. Comment. PL removes links to the man whose bio is dealt with on the page, links to him speaking on youtube, or a detail of where he lives. That is hostility to his views operating, and many BLPs have links to their youtube talks. There is nothing wrong in this. But Braverman’s talks are about Palestinians. (3) activist sources do not qualify as WP:RS. Comment. While Plot Spoiler spends much of his removing references to Electronic Intifada, this is a mechanical removal at sight which is wrong, because while EI can be questioned, the scholar interviewed by EI here, Gilbert Achcar is an authority in his field who happened to concede an nterview to EI. Achcar is often highly critical of Palestinian figures as well, and Achcar’s stature is such that it trumps the venue where his views, which PS expunges, are aired. Most of us understand that. PL doesn’t care. He just reverts, and doesn’t notify the talkpage of why Achcar cannot be cited directly from EI. (4) Gutting the page on Ahmed Moor, a Palestinian born in the Rafah Refugee Camp, with the edit summary need secondary sources commenting on his opinions, not just op-eds published by the author, meaning the mass removal of 17,000 bytes. Comment. This is a bravura piece of specious edit summarizing, which deceives anyone who does not go on to examine what PL actually did. On any comparable page dealing with figures like Gideon Levy, Alan Dershowitz, Jeffrey Goldberg or even Pamela Geller, you will find numerous citations from their op eds and articles published in the mainstream press. Plot Spoiler won't allow this for a Palestinian intellectual. The mass revert not only expunges Moor's articles published in the Huffington Post, Los Angeles Times, Al-Jazeera ETC., but 'takes out' precisely the kind of material Plot Spoiler himself stipulates is required Namely, secondary sources like Rachel Gotbaum, 'Local Groups Mobilize Support For Israelis, Palestinians,' WBUR-FM 9 Nov 2012, which are 'secondary sources commenting on his (Moor's) opinions.' This is the ultimate of editorial whimsy and chutzpah, removing precisely material that satisfies the otherwise arbitrary criterion for inclusion set by the deleter himself. I'll lay a bet that nothing like this defiance of the most elementary rules can be discovered in the long history of Sean.hoyland's edit history, but Plot Spoiler's spoiling to get rid of him. Why?Nishidani (talk) 13:43, 30 July 2014 (UTC) (5) Shawan Jabarin again, a Palestinian.activist source not RS removes Scott McConnell 'The assault on Human Rights Watch and Shawan Jabarin. Comment The repeated use of ‘activist source’ for any non-strictly ‘mainstream newspaper’ is improper. Mondoweiss is borderline –it has a notable number of highly empirical reports that are superior to much mainstream reportage in it, for example- but can be used, as can Electronic Intifada, depending on circumstances, for notable opinions, not for facts. In this case, Scott McConnell is a respectable journalist and founder of The American Conservative, and that is sufficient to permit his views to be cited on a case regarded that scholar. The point is identical with the suppression of a comment from Gilbert Achcar above. If the author is notable, the grey RS area of Mondoweiss, or Electronic Intifada is less relevant. (6) Nigel Kennedy activist sources do not qualify as WP:RS. Comment The facts reported could have been ascertained in five seconds of googling, providing any editor with confirmation that the same information reported by Mondoweiss and other ‘activist sources’ was reported by mainstream RS. i.e. here (The Huffington Post), here (Jews for Justice for Palestinians); or here (The Telegraph). Rather than build the page by improving sourcing, PS just uses the RS argument to expunge an exbarrassing fact, widely attested. (7) Udi Aloni Udi Aloni is a critic of his government’s policies.wikify, most of these fail WP:RS, WP:EL Comment Deceptive edit summary, note most. The sources removed include several articles from the Israeli mainstream press on Aloni, i.e., Haaretz and Ynet, and Columbia University Press which qualify as rs. Here, here, here, here, here and and here. Rather than build the article, Plot Spoiler just expunges a list of several eminently good sources that direct editors to improvement. (8) Yehuda Kroizer ‎remove non-RS Comment. This is an edit summary in egregious bad faith. He removes his usual object of his objections Mondoweiss, and yet immediately after that source we have the Israeli West Bank settlers’ mouthpiece, Arutz Sheva, which has no pretensions to reportorial investigation characteristic of much of Mondoweiss, and which on identical grounds could be challenged as not rs. So Plot Spoiler understands by non-Rs anything critical of Israel, but does not apply the same criterion to a source with a ultra-Israel ideological slant. (9) Nadia Hijab Palestinian scholar.Cleanup WP:Advert, WP:Peacock, Wikify Comment: removes rs sources (though the urls had to be corrected) Institute of Palestine Studies (rs); The Guardian (rs); The Nation (rs), together with two of her own articles appearing in Counterpunch (http://www.counterpunch.org/hijab08072006.html here) and Mondoweiss (http://mondoweiss.net/2013/10/without-political-framework.html here). My understanding is that a reputable scholar/author/writers articles can be used as reliable sources for his/her views, even if the source is not ‘mainstream’. Were that not so, only people writing for the partisan mainstream press would ever be heard on wikipedia. (10) Morad Fareed, again a Palestinian soccer player turned businessmen.remove WP:Advert crap, WP:Peacock, wikify The ‘crap’ about this ‘peacock’ Palestinian consists also in (1) an article on him appearing in BBC News (2) a write up appearing in the San Francisco Chronicle, (3) Another on his company in here from Reuters, i.e., impeccable RS, etc. From these 10 cases just over the last two days, a very high hit-rate for bad edits, it is evident that Plot Spoiler trawls articles, particularly on Palestinians, and systematically removes content, easily resourced, verifiable, or already present in mainstream rs, by a mechanical or contentious spin on rs policy, simply to impoverish articles rather than fix or improve them, and throwing the burden of improvement on other editors. The editing is generally hostile to the subject of the article. I should add that virtually every article on Rabbbis in wikipedia is largely sourced to articles that fail RS, but only an antisemite would comb through them to wreck them on a strict or distortedly severe reading of that policy. Nishidani (talk) 17:43, 30 July 2014 (UTC) PL has complained here (cui bono?), and expects his record to be ignored. Well, frankly his record is infinitely more problematical than HS’s, whose interest in the I/P area is mainly focused on isolating abusive serial violators of NPOV, and POV advocacy warriors, like Plot Spoiler (the name says as much: 'there is a plot against an unnamed country in wikipedia and I as editor will unravel its insidious presence'). Of course, he has asked for a sanction and will get it. But the peculiar hypocrisy of the plaintiff in objecting to SH while behaving precisely in the manner SH has identified as deleterious to the encyclopedic ends of wikipedia merits examination, and, in my view, a sanction as heavy, at least, as anything that admins will duly hand out to Sean Hoyland, whose exasperation is such he is asking to be guillioteened. Nishidani (talk) 12:15, 30 July 2014 (UTC) My aside on what your handle suggests to a close, native reader of English in context is expendable. The evidence I supplied constitutes the gravamen of my argument, and this you ignore. Such snippets culled from a short sampling of a vast record I could expand ad nauseam and only cite because I'm fed up with the abuse by bad or indifferent editors of administrative recourses to get rid of competent contributors. Nishidani (talk) 15:34, 30 July 2014 (UTC) IjonTichy AE is no place for special pleading because when rules are broken, exceptions can't be made because people are nice guys, good contributors, etc. My own remarks above are not in extenuation of SH's behaviour. I did as he has two or three years ago at Zeitoun. It was pointed out I broke 1r inadvertently: I was asked to revert, and since that mean reverting to a deliberately falsified text introduced by a now banned povwarrior, I refused to budge because for me reverting to allow falsehood into an article is unacceptable, and thus I prefer to wear the rap (2 or 3 months suspension). The point is, however, that the gaming of A/I and AE with supercilious complaints requires that whoever complains has his own behaviour examined. It's not a matter of exculpation, but of finding out if the plaintiff's recourse to rule enforcement reflects integrity and respect for wikipedia, or double-standards of which the plaintiff himself may fall well short. SH must be sanctioned. The question is, should Plot Spoiler, an egregiously bad editor, be allowed to get his scalp while persisting in his own daily infringement of the 5 pillars.Nishidani (talk) 19:56, 30 July 2014 (UTC) Sandstein. They are not content disputes. If you consistently remove with false edit summaries mainstream RS while pretending that you are removing non-RS, you are gaming the system. You yourself, and many challenge your reading (I don't) write often in judgements that respect for WP:npov, meaning care to edit in such a manner both sides are duly represented, is obligatory, and even the short amount of evidence above shows the contrary in PL's case. You noted some days back that (a)you have almost no knowledge of the I/P area history. The assumption is that you can judge without understanding if an edit if patently false, or stupid or not. Perhaps (I strongly disagree, but it's a legitimate position). That is why I wrote out the context (b) which gets your response:WP:TLDR. Well, checking every text used in PS's edits, checking the veracity of the context, some of which I don't care to know, meant several hours. His reverts without reading what he expunges take 2 minutes. Fuck it, those of us who have to work at ground level see rubbish every quarter or half an hour and if we allowed ourselves to run to mummy and complain, running up diffs (I'm hopeless at that) the encyclopedia would never be written. Those diffs are crap edits, one in every two or three, over a short 2 or three days, chosen almost arbitrarily and I have had to witness this whenever PS works a page I have earmarked. Just bringing perspective into this complaint meant I burnt a half a day I usually spend actually writing up articles, not fooling about gutting them to make life hard for some other joker. In 8 years I've made one complaint, also because this stuff is unrelievably tedious. So, by all means rid this place of one of its best editors, who like you and me, is fallible and fatigued by having to look at bullshit every day, instead of doing something useful with one's time, like ensuring that the encyclopedia is built with scruple. If you think people like myself are going to becoming addicts of this place to punish the plaintiff afterwards, you're wrong. PS will have one of the major obstacles to his execrable messing with wikipedia removed (thanks to your insistance that nothing but a petty infraction is the case here) Nishidani (talk) 20:18, 30 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by IjonTichy This is a clear case of Boomerang against PlotSpoiler. I first became aware of PS due to this edit on July 16, where PS removed yet another notable point of view/ opinion by a notable writer/ columnist appearing in an RS (the Israeli paper Haaretz) with the specious edit summary "fails WP:NPOV, WP:RS". I then proceeded to study PS's list of contributions and concluded his/ her edits are almost entirely focused on removing content, often well-sourced, that may paint Israel or Israel-supporters in a bad light. My own study of PS's edits leads me to strongly agree with Nishidan's analysis (above) of PS's disruptive editing. Sean.hoyland's track record proves beyond a shadow of doubt he is here to build an encyclopedia. PS's contributions show PS is not here to build an encyclopedia. In my view, PS, and not Sean, should be topic-banned. IjonTichy (talk) 19:22, 30 July 2014 (UTC) I don't object to Sean.hoyland being mildly and temporarily sanctioned. But, in my view, for every day SH is sanctioned, PlotSpoiler should be sanctioned for at least ten, due to all the reasons both Nishidani and myself have outlined above. PlotSpoiler's long-term "work" is highly disruptive and detrimental to the project (unlike Sean's work which is highly beneficial). And, like Nishidani, I also wasted far too much time studying PlotSpoiler's edits in order to conclude PS's contributions are fundamentally biased and one-sided and a clear case of long-term, systematic civil POV pushing. IjonTichy (talk) 21:45, 30 July 2014 (UTC) Statement by (username) Result concerning Sean.hoyland This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. Because Sean.hoyland does not contest violating the 1R restriction, we must evaluate which if any sanction is appropriate. Sanctions are preventative, that is, they should be set up so as to effectively prevent the recurrence of the conduct they are imposed as a result of. As Sean.hoyland says that "I don't mind being blocked for that. I stand by the edit", it is apparent that a block would not have the necessary preventative effect. Under these circumstances, only a topic ban would have that effect. – Concerning Plot Spoiler, while I know very little about the particulars of the ongoing conflict, I find the move to "Gaza Strip attack tunnels" worrying from a NPOV perspective. That's not the kind of neutral terminology I've come across in mainstream media, but rather appears intended to convey a moral judgment about these tunnels. Sandstein 20:54, 29 July 2014 (UTC) PS probably needs time out from the area as well. Unfortunately, because of how Sean responded to PS, I would recommend a slightly longer TBAN to Sean, but also TBAN to PS. - Penwhale \| 22:13, 29 July 2014 (UTC) Since User:Sean.hoyland declined to self-revert when given the opportunity to fix his 1RR a three-month topic ban may be justified. User:Plot Spoiler was warned at AE less than two weeks ago but I'm not seeing what we would consider to be the bannable offence here. One of the newspaper articles cited by PS shows the tunnels being called 'cross-border attack tunnels,' which is not that different from 'Gaza strip attack tunnels' as used by PS. Wanting to distinguish these from smuggling tunnels is a valid motivation, though the term now in place (after discussion on the article talk page) is Palestinian tunnel warfare in the Gaza Strip which has a more neutral sound. EdJohnston (talk) 02:02, 30 July 2014 (UTC) Inclined to agree with EdJohnston's reasoning, which is evidence-based. `Zad68` 02:09, 30 July 2014 (UTC) OK, if this "attack" terminology is being used in the media, then we probably don't have grounds for a sanction against Plot Spoiler. Agreed with the 3 months topic ban for Sean.hoyland. Sandstein 06:32, 30 July 2014 (UTC) Concerning Plot Spoiler, I'm open to examining their conduct, but a lot of the stuff now submitted by Nishidani looks at first glance rather like instances of content disputes to me, such as about which sources are appropriate. If there is evidence that Plot Spoiler has been engaging in misconduct by, for example, misrepresenting sources or edit-warring, or persistently one-sided editing, then focused evidence about this should be submitted as dated diffs in a separate request within the length restrictions indicated at the top. Right now I am all, like, WP:TLDR; and the signal-to-noise ratio is not good enough (for me, at least) to take action. Sandstein 19:57, 30 July 2014 (UTC) Closed per the discussion above. Sandstein 06:48, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Sean.hoyland is banned from the Arab-Israeli conflict topic area for three months. Concerns about the editing of Plot Spoiler are noted, but should be submitted in a separate, more succinct request focused on conduct rather than content. Sandstein 06:48, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Request concerning Sean.hoyland

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Plot Spoiler (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 16:25, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Sean.hoyland (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Misplaced Pages:ARBPIA - topic ban :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

16:01, July 28, 2014 Revert #1
19:13, July 28, 2014 Revert #2

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

11:07, June 28, 2014 Blocked for disruptive editing in ARBPIA topic area
22:07, 21 September 2012 Blocked for edit-warring

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

Previously blocked as a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict, see the block log linked to above.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I notified Sean.hoyland that he violated 1RR at Palestinian tunnel warfare in the Gaza Strip (the article name has been changing) and should revert but he refused and in effect said he was above the law. Unfortunately, Sean.hoyland has become an increasingly combative editor as of late (see his recent disruptive editing block) and has been editing more or less exclusively in the I/P topic area over the past several months (just see his contributions). I think he would be well served by taking a break from the I/P topic area and making constructive edits elsewhere.

@Sandstein, there could be a better title than "attack tunnels" ("terror tunnels" would be a pretty clear POV title, in comparison), but the term has been used throughout many mainstream media outlets e.g.:

Christian Science Monitor
Times of Israel
AFP
Huffington Post
Associated Press
Financial Times Plot Spoiler (talk) 21:11, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

@ZScarpia, your reading is mistaken. I was not advocating for the title "terror tunnels" - that is a pretty clear POV title. I was demonstrating that the term "attack tunnels" has been employed in mainstream media -- not that there might be a be a suitable title than "attack tunnels". Plot Spoiler (talk) 01:32, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

@Nishidani, I don't appreciate your bizarre personal attack that my username signifies that "there is a plot against an unnamed country in wikipedia and I as editor will unravel its insidious presence." My original username was "ShamWow", but I was forced to change it on short notice because that is a trademarked product. Sorry if I like movies. You should know better than to make bizarre personal attacks of no merit. Plot Spoiler (talk) 13:52, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Sean.hoyland

Statement by Sean.hoyland

I'm not going to contest the 1RR violation. I made 2 reverts. The first was to remove material that was unrelated to the subject of the article, something the editor who added it really should have known if they had read the source, and the second, intended to allow a discussion on the talk page to proceed and come to consensus without drive by interference from a non-participating editor imposing their personal view. As I said "I don't mind being blocked for that. I stand by the edit." I do however contest the notion that what I said on my talk page" can be reasonably be described as "in effect said he was above the law". That is, in fact, gross misrepresentation. Editors should not be allowed to do that because it's wrong. Not sure about "increasingly combative" either. Increasingly robotic perhaps. My response was the opposite of combative. I'm not a combatant and editing Misplaced Pages is not a battle, and yet battle rages everyday in ARBPIA. Sean.hoyland - talk 18:06, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

My actions were necessary and correct. I removed content unrelated to the article and nullified the effects of an editor who ignored the ongoing discussion, a discussion that showed the lack of consensus for PS's edit. PS ignored BRD and imposed their personal view, a view inconsistent with numerous sources. Editing like that cannot be tolerated in ARBPIA and it must be nullified regardless of the consequences for the individual editors who understand and do what is necessary. The fact that admins can't see that is unfortunate but an inevitable consequence of being uninvolved. I do what is necessary in ARBPIA fully prepared to take the consequences because admins don't police the topic area.
Just in case someone raises the issue that a self-revert was not an option by the time I logged in because the article had already been moved at 2014-07-28T21:27:30 as a result of the discussion (which of course resulted in a title that didn't include the word 'attack'), I want to be absolutely clear that I would not have self-reverted even if it were an option or I had been specifically instructed to do so by an admin. I can't make edits that I believe are not in the interests of the project. That includes self-reverts that facilitate editors who ignore ongoing discussions. I can't do that and I will never do that.
I see admins making comments about the content. Are you involved or uninvolved ? If you are want to be involved and comment on content, you need to do the research, do it properly by examining a large set of sources and participate in the discussions that produce consensus. Of course there are sources that use the term 'attack tunnels'. Sources use a whole spectrum of terms but advocates don't care about complexity and contradictions and will pick the language they like most. It's a characteristic feature of advocacy in ARBPIA, systemic bias in source sampling rather than rational source based discussion to find consensus. It would be better if admins became involved and made hundreds of edits in ARBPIA. In fact I think it should be a requirement so that admins have a better understanding of the topic area and can make decisions that address the core issues. They will quickly figure out what is necessary to keep a lid on the non-stop WP:NOTADVOCATE disruption there.
When considering the length of my topic ban consider that in 3/6/12 or any number of months times, if I see an editor do what PS did I will revert them no matter whether it happens to be my first edit or part of a sequence of contiguous edits or a technical 1RR violation because someone else happened to make an edit after my first edit. Editors can't be allowed to ignore ongoing discussions in ARBPIA and it is foolish for admins to facilitate that behavior. It's one of the root causes of conflict in the topic area and has been for years. It has to be suppressed. Technical 1RR violations and all sorts of policy violations occur countless times a day all over the topic area. Almost nobody cares, least of all admins. I don't mind being topic banned for a 1RR violation but it really isn't in the interests of the project to perpetuate the illusion that admin actions are preventative or have any effect. Admins have no control over what happens in ARBPIA and cannot prevent anything. Anyone who edits regularly in ARBPIA already knows this. The presence or absence of editors like me and the tens of thousands of edits I've made in ARBPIA have had and will always have a negligible impact relative to the very substantial numbers of editors and socks who violate WP:NOTADVOCATE every single day. Sean.hoyland - talk 08:27, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Huldra

The back story:

14:18, 28 July 2014‎: article Hamas attack tunnels is started by a rather new editor, user:ShulMaven -arguing that this was different from Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels

14:23, 28 July 2014: ShulMaven moves article to Palestinian attack tunnels

15:21, 28 July 2014 I moved the article to Palestinian tunnels (not a very satisfactory title, but just to get rid of the rather NPOV article title); I also participated on the talk-page, together with the article author and User:Sean.hoyland, and several others. Basically, only the original author argued for the original title, with the controversial word attack in it.

16:01, 28 July 2014: User:Sean.hoyland removes a part which was only relevant to Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels.

19:00, 28 July 2014: Plot Spoiler unilaterally moved the article from Palestinian tunnels to Gaza Strip attack tunnels. Plot Spoiler has never participated on the talk-page,
19.13, 28 July 2014 : User:Sean.hoyland moved it back to Palestinian tunnels

The article is (presently) named Palestinian tunnel warfare in the Gaza Strip; an article name most editors seem to be able to live with.

Now, you can argue if there should be two different articles about these tunnels, but if it is, then we should clearly not have material in article A which only pertain to article B. And this is what User:Sean.hoyland 1.st revert was about: removing irrelevant material.

Plot Spoiler unilateral move of the article, without any form of consensus, without any discussion, to an extremely controversial article name which was not supported by those who participated on the talk-page: this was clearly out of line. I think Plot Spoiler should perhaps edit in other areas than the I/P area for a while. Huldra (talk) 17:32, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

User:Shrike: good question. The way I saw it was that there was clearly no consensus for keeping the contentious word attack in the title. So I moved it to the easiest option: ie, the same title, minus the word "attack". Huldra (talk) 17:55, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Shrike

User:Huldra did you had any consensus to move it in the first place?--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 17:46, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

User:Huldra As far as I can see there was no consensus to move it either.There is no WP:Deadline you should have waited and initiate discussion per WP:RM/CM to gain consensus .I think it should be true for any WP:ARBPIA article--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 18:07, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by ZScarpia

Plot Spoiler wrote: "the term has been used throughout many mainstream media outlets e.g ... ." The only one of the linked to sources which uses the term "terror tunnel" (an alternative source for the Financial Times article is here) is the Times of Israel, but then, apparently, only as a category for grouping articles. In the four most recent articles included in that category the phrase used is 'attack tunnel'. 21:56, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

@Plot Spoiler, apologies, my mistake. You might like to remove the Financial Times from your list, though. It doesn't, as far as I can see, refer to attack tunnels. ← ZScarpia 15:49, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Nishidani

The inflamed events of the I/P world have recently lead to a huge overload as editors rush to write new articles. Naturally, reports of ARBPIA infractions increase. There’s exasperation over both the inhumane work load being created for any conscientious practitioner of WP:NPOV, since the volume of bad edits is unmanageable, and, more particularly, the 1R is now being broken every other hour, even by serious experienced wikipedians, whatever their sympathies, pro/contra/neutral. I don’t report them because I respect the editors involved – their interest is in page improvement, so reporting them would be getting at editors to game wikipedia, even if they revert me. Worst of all, in several cases recently, admins, who should (a) give us guidance and (b) find a way out of the problem several editors (Sean Hoyland, Zero, Scarpia) have mentioned, have, perhaps understandably, just concentrated on 1R application, while, as is evident to everyone, the rule is being interpreted differently from admin to admin. There is no agreement, from complaint to complaint, among esteemed and highly experienced admins, as to the way that rule must unequivocably be read. All someone like myself can do is proceed thinking ‘I can only edit a page once a day’, while watching most editors happily copyediting, revising, removing, adjusting any one text, under furious attention from numerous posters, without paying much attention to the extreme niceties of interpretation. It is immensely frustrating to old I/P editors who have survived the insanity of this area for years. The only people being reported are egregious newbies or notable editors sanctioned in the past, or people often thought of as having membership in an I/P gang or clique. This is the context of the two cases where Sean Hoyland has been reported. In both instances, he broke the rule, and of course, a sanction is inevitable. But application of the sanction in lieu of remedies for the chaos, though inevitable in this case, will not solve anything but only complicate things. Take the reporter, Plot Spoiler.

If you look at Plot Spoiler’s contribs, most of it exhibits chronic instant reverting: he’s a removalist of anything critical of Israel or favourable to Palestinians, and one who rarely confers with editors on the talk page. I always think of him as a drive-by reverter. He ‘talks’ only when reporting someone. Here a just a few examples from the last few days. I find most of his edits questionable, but will use these as a minimal sampler of what he does.

1.Thane Rosenbaum’s ‘Controversy section’ is removed wholesale on WP:BPL grounds, when all controversialists have controversy sections here

What did he remove?

(a) Conor Friedersdorf, The Dangerous Logic Used to Justify Killing Civilians The Atlantic 23 July 2014.

Comment. The article appeared in The Atlantic, which is a perfectly middle-of the-road, respectable magazine, impeccably S. Plot Spoiler defied the usual rule to respect strong rs retention.

(b)Thane Rosenbaum Hamas’s Civilian Deaths Strategy Wall Street Journal 21 July 2014.

Comment: The article appeared in the Wall Street Journal, which no one questions as RS. Plot Spoiler ignored the usual rule to respect strong rs retention.

Comment: The article appeared in The American Conservative, eminently rs, and Plot Spoiler ignores the rule to retain such strong rs

In sum, three eminently adequate RS are expunged because Plot Spoiler apparently either dislikes criticism of Israel, even in mainstream journals, or does not tolerate any expansion of articles by notable journalists that see problems with Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. That kind of editing is self-evidently POV pushing, and the pretextual expunging of S can find not basis in wiki policy or practice.

(2) Mark Braverman removing some advert.

Comment. PL removes links to the man whose bio is dealt with on the page, links to him speaking on youtube, or a detail of where he lives. That is hostility to his views operating, and many BLPs have links to their youtube talks. There is nothing wrong in this. But Braverman’s talks are about Palestinians.

(3) activist sources do not qualify as WP:RS.

Comment. While Plot Spoiler spends much of his removing references to Electronic Intifada, this is a mechanical removal at sight which is wrong, because while EI can be questioned, the scholar interviewed by EI here, Gilbert Achcar is an authority in his field who happened to concede an nterview to EI. Achcar is often highly critical of Palestinian figures as well, and Achcar’s stature is such that it trumps the venue where his views, which PS expunges, are aired. Most of us understand that. PL doesn’t care. He just reverts, and doesn’t notify the talkpage of why Achcar cannot be cited directly from EI.

(4) Gutting the page on Ahmed Moor, a Palestinian born in the Rafah Refugee Camp, with the edit summary need secondary sources commenting on his opinions, not just op-eds published by the author, meaning the mass removal of 17,000 bytes.

Comment. This is a bravura piece of specious edit summarizing, which deceives anyone who does not go on to examine what PL actually did. On any comparable page dealing with figures like Gideon Levy, Alan Dershowitz, Jeffrey Goldberg or even Pamela Geller, you will find numerous citations from their op eds and articles published in the mainstream press. Plot Spoiler won't allow this for a Palestinian intellectual. The mass revert not only expunges Moor's articles published in the Huffington Post, Los Angeles Times, Al-Jazeera ETC., but 'takes out' precisely the kind of material Plot Spoiler himself stipulates is required Namely, secondary sources like Rachel Gotbaum, 'Local Groups Mobilize Support For Israelis, Palestinians,' WBUR-FM 9 Nov 2012, which are 'secondary sources commenting on his (Moor's) opinions.' This is the ultimate of editorial whimsy and chutzpah, removing precisely material that satisfies the otherwise arbitrary criterion for inclusion set by the deleter himself. I'll lay a bet that nothing like this defiance of the most elementary rules can be discovered in the long history of Sean.hoyland's edit history, but Plot Spoiler's spoiling to get rid of him. Why?Nishidani (talk) 13:43, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

(5) Shawan Jabarin again, a Palestinian.activist source not RS removes Scott McConnell 'The assault on Human Rights Watch and Shawan Jabarin.

Comment The repeated use of ‘activist source’ for any non-strictly ‘mainstream newspaper’ is improper. Mondoweiss is borderline –it has a notable number of highly empirical reports that are superior to much mainstream reportage in it, for example- but can be used, as can Electronic Intifada, depending on circumstances, for notable opinions, not for facts. In this case, Scott McConnell is a respectable journalist and founder of The American Conservative, and that is sufficient to permit his views to be cited on a case regarded that scholar. The point is identical with the suppression of a comment from Gilbert Achcar above. If the author is notable, the grey RS area of Mondoweiss, or Electronic Intifada is less relevant.

(6) Nigel Kennedy activist sources do not qualify as WP:RS.

Comment The facts reported could have been ascertained in five seconds of googling, providing any editor with confirmation that the same information reported by Mondoweiss and other ‘activist sources’ was reported by mainstream RS. i.e. here (The Huffington Post), here (Jews for Justice for Palestinians); or here (The Telegraph). Rather than build the page by improving sourcing, PS just uses the RS argument to expunge an exbarrassing fact, widely attested.

(7) Udi Aloni Udi Aloni is a critic of his government’s policies.wikify, most of these fail WP:RS, WP:EL

Comment Deceptive edit summary, note most. The sources removed include several articles from the Israeli mainstream press on Aloni, i.e., Haaretz and Ynet, and Columbia University Press which qualify as rs. Here, here, here, here, here and and here. Rather than build the article, Plot Spoiler just expunges a list of several eminently good sources that direct editors to improvement.

(8) Yehuda Kroizer ‎remove non-RS

Comment. This is an edit summary in egregious bad faith. He removes his usual object of his objections Mondoweiss, and yet immediately after that source we have the Israeli West Bank settlers’ mouthpiece, Arutz Sheva, which has no pretensions to reportorial investigation characteristic of much of Mondoweiss, and which on identical grounds could be challenged as not rs. So Plot Spoiler understands by non-Rs anything critical of Israel, but does not apply the same criterion to a source with a ultra-Israel ideological slant.

(9) Nadia Hijab Palestinian scholar.Cleanup WP:Advert, WP:Peacock, Wikify

Comment: removes rs sources (though the urls had to be corrected) Institute of Palestine Studies (rs); The Guardian (rs); The Nation (rs), together with two of her own articles appearing in Counterpunch (http://www.counterpunch.org/hijab08072006.html here) and Mondoweiss (http://mondoweiss.net/2013/10/without-political-framework.html here). My understanding is that a reputable scholar/author/writers articles can be used as reliable sources for his/her views, even if the source is not ‘mainstream’. Were that not so, only people writing for the partisan mainstream press would ever be heard on wikipedia.

(10) Morad Fareed, again a Palestinian soccer player turned businessmen.remove WP:Advert crap, WP:Peacock, wikify

The ‘crap’ about this ‘peacock’ Palestinian consists also in (1) an article on him appearing in BBC News

(2) a write up appearing in the San Francisco Chronicle,

(3) Another on his company in here from Reuters, i.e., impeccable RS, etc.

From these 10 cases just over the last two days, a very high hit-rate for bad edits, it is evident that Plot Spoiler trawls articles, particularly on Palestinians, and systematically removes content, easily resourced, verifiable, or already present in mainstream rs, by a mechanical or contentious spin on rs policy, simply to impoverish articles rather than fix or improve them, and throwing the burden of improvement on other editors. The editing is generally hostile to the subject of the article. I should add that virtually every article on Rabbbis in wikipedia is largely sourced to articles that fail RS, but only an antisemite would comb through them to wreck them on a strict or distortedly severe reading of that policy. Nishidani (talk) 17:43, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

PL has complained here (cui bono?), and expects his record to be ignored. Well, frankly his record is infinitely more problematical than HS’s, whose interest in the I/P area is mainly focused on isolating abusive serial violators of NPOV, and POV advocacy warriors, like Plot Spoiler (the name says as much: 'there is a plot against an unnamed country in wikipedia and I as editor will unravel its insidious presence'). Of course, he has asked for a sanction and will get it. But the peculiar hypocrisy of the plaintiff in objecting to SH while behaving precisely in the manner SH has identified as deleterious to the encyclopedic ends of wikipedia merits examination, and, in my view, a sanction as heavy, at least, as anything that admins will duly hand out to Sean Hoyland, whose exasperation is such he is asking to be guillioteened. Nishidani (talk) 12:15, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

My aside on what your handle suggests to a close, native reader of English in context is expendable. The evidence I supplied constitutes the gravamen of my argument, and this you ignore. Such snippets culled from a short sampling of a vast record I could expand ad nauseam and only cite because I'm fed up with the abuse by bad or indifferent editors of administrative recourses to get rid of competent contributors. Nishidani (talk) 15:34, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

IjonTichy AE is no place for special pleading because when rules are broken, exceptions can't be made because people are nice guys, good contributors, etc. My own remarks above are not in extenuation of SH's behaviour. I did as he has two or three years ago at Zeitoun. It was pointed out I broke 1r inadvertently: I was asked to revert, and since that mean reverting to a deliberately falsified text introduced by a now banned povwarrior, I refused to budge because for me reverting to allow falsehood into an article is unacceptable, and thus I prefer to wear the rap (2 or 3 months suspension). The point is, however, that the gaming of A/I and AE with supercilious complaints requires that whoever complains has his own behaviour examined. It's not a matter of exculpation, but of finding out if the plaintiff's recourse to rule enforcement reflects integrity and respect for wikipedia, or double-standards of which the plaintiff himself may fall well short. SH must be sanctioned. The question is, should Plot Spoiler, an egregiously bad editor, be allowed to get his scalp while persisting in his own daily infringement of the 5 pillars.Nishidani (talk) 19:56, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Sandstein. They are not content disputes. If you consistently remove with false edit summaries mainstream RS while pretending that you are removing non-RS, you are gaming the system. You yourself, and many challenge your reading (I don't) write often in judgements that respect for WP:npov, meaning care to edit in such a manner both sides are duly represented, is obligatory, and even the short amount of evidence above shows the contrary in PL's case. You noted some days back that (a)you have almost no knowledge of the I/P area history. The assumption is that you can judge without understanding if an edit if patently false, or stupid or not. Perhaps (I strongly disagree, but it's a legitimate position). That is why I wrote out the context (b) which gets your response:WP:TLDR. Well, checking every text used in PS's edits, checking the veracity of the context, some of which I don't care to know, meant several hours. His reverts without reading what he expunges take 2 minutes. Fuck it, those of us who have to work at ground level see rubbish every quarter or half an hour and if we allowed ourselves to run to mummy and complain, running up diffs (I'm hopeless at that) the encyclopedia would never be written. Those diffs are crap edits, one in every two or three, over a short 2 or three days, chosen almost arbitrarily and I have had to witness this whenever PS works a page I have earmarked. Just bringing perspective into this complaint meant I burnt a half a day I usually spend actually writing up articles, not fooling about gutting them to make life hard for some other joker. In 8 years I've made one complaint, also because this stuff is unrelievably tedious. So, by all means rid this place of one of its best editors, who like you and me, is fallible and fatigued by having to look at bullshit every day, instead of doing something useful with one's time, like ensuring that the encyclopedia is built with scruple. If you think people like myself are going to becoming addicts of this place to punish the plaintiff afterwards, you're wrong. PS will have one of the major obstacles to his execrable messing with wikipedia removed (thanks to your insistance that nothing but a petty infraction is the case here) Nishidani (talk) 20:18, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by IjonTichy

This is a clear case of Boomerang against PlotSpoiler. I first became aware of PS due to this edit on July 16, where PS removed yet another notable point of view/ opinion by a notable writer/ columnist appearing in an RS (the Israeli paper Haaretz) with the specious edit summary "fails WP:NPOV, WP:RS". I then proceeded to study PS's list of contributions and concluded his/ her edits are almost entirely focused on removing content, often well-sourced, that may paint Israel or Israel-supporters in a bad light. My own study of PS's edits leads me to strongly agree with Nishidan's analysis (above) of PS's disruptive editing.

Sean.hoyland's track record proves beyond a shadow of doubt he is here to build an encyclopedia. PS's contributions show PS is not here to build an encyclopedia. In my view, PS, and not Sean, should be topic-banned. IjonTichy (talk) 19:22, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't object to Sean.hoyland being mildly and temporarily sanctioned. But, in my view, for every day SH is sanctioned, PlotSpoiler should be sanctioned for at least ten, due to all the reasons both Nishidani and myself have outlined above. PlotSpoiler's long-term "work" is highly disruptive and detrimental to the project (unlike Sean's work which is highly beneficial). And, like Nishidani, I also wasted far too much time studying PlotSpoiler's edits in order to conclude PS's contributions are fundamentally biased and one-sided and a clear case of long-term, systematic civil POV pushing. IjonTichy (talk) 21:45, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Sean.hoyland

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

Because Sean.hoyland does not contest violating the 1R restriction, we must evaluate which if any sanction is appropriate. Sanctions are preventative, that is, they should be set up so as to effectively prevent the recurrence of the conduct they are imposed as a result of. As Sean.hoyland says that "I don't mind being blocked for that. I stand by the edit", it is apparent that a block would not have the necessary preventative effect. Under these circumstances, only a topic ban would have that effect. – Concerning Plot Spoiler, while I know very little about the particulars of the ongoing conflict, I find the move to "Gaza Strip attack tunnels" worrying from a NPOV perspective. That's not the kind of neutral terminology I've come across in mainstream media, but rather appears intended to convey a moral judgment about these tunnels. Sandstein 20:54, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
PS probably needs time out from the area as well. Unfortunately, because of how Sean responded to PS, I would recommend a slightly longer TBAN to Sean, but also TBAN to PS. - Penwhale | 22:13, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Since User:Sean.hoyland declined to self-revert when given the opportunity to fix his 1RR a three-month topic ban may be justified. User:Plot Spoiler was warned at AE less than two weeks ago but I'm not seeing what we would consider to be the bannable offence here. One of the newspaper articles cited by PS shows the tunnels being called 'cross-border attack tunnels,' which is not that different from 'Gaza strip attack tunnels' as used by PS. Wanting to distinguish these from smuggling tunnels is a valid motivation, though the term now in place (after discussion on the article talk page) is Palestinian tunnel warfare in the Gaza Strip which has a more neutral sound. EdJohnston (talk) 02:02, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Inclined to agree with EdJohnston's reasoning, which is evidence-based. Zad68 02:09, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

OK, if this "attack" terminology is being used in the media, then we probably don't have grounds for a sanction against Plot Spoiler. Agreed with the 3 months topic ban for Sean.hoyland. Sandstein 06:32, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Concerning Plot Spoiler, I'm open to examining their conduct, but a lot of the stuff now submitted by Nishidani looks at first glance rather like instances of content disputes to me, such as about which sources are appropriate. If there is evidence that Plot Spoiler has been engaging in misconduct by, for example, misrepresenting sources or edit-warring, or persistently one-sided editing, then focused evidence about this should be submitted as dated diffs in a separate request within the length restrictions indicated at the top. Right now I am all, like, WP:TLDR; and the signal-to-noise ratio is not good enough (for me, at least) to take action. Sandstein 19:57, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Closed per the discussion above. Sandstein 06:48, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Amoruso

Request concerning Amoruso

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: RolandR (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:28, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Amoruso (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: ARBPIA

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

06:04, 29 July 2014 Breach of topic ban
06:05, 29 July 2014 Breach of topic ban
06:08, 29 July 2014 Breach of topic ban
06:16, 29 July 2014 Breach of topic ban
06:33, 29 July 2014 Breach of topic ban
06:34, 29 July 2014 Breach of topic ban
06:36, 29 July 2014 Breach of topic ban
06:37, 29 July 2014 Breach of topic ban
06:41, 29 July 2014 Breach of topic ban
06:43, 29 July 2014 Breach of topic ban
12:28, 29 July 2014 Breach of topic ban
12:31, 29 July 2014 Breach of topic ban

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

20:38, 11 April 2010 Indefinite topic ban. details
13:46, 15 April 2010 Blocked for breach of ban

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

*Mentioned by name in the Arbitration Committee's Final Decision linked to above.

Previously blocked as a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict, see the block log linked to above.
Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on 11 April 2010 by Sandstein (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA).

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Amoruso was indefinitely topic-banned on 11 April 2010. At the time, he was warned that "Any violation of this ban, especially in order to disrupt, may result in an indefinite block." On 15 April 2010, he was blocked for 24 hours for breaching this ban. After the expiry of this block. he made a few edits, but appeared to have retired from editing on 17 April 2010. He returned to editing this morning, immediately making several contentious edits to an article covered by the topic ban, and claiming falsely that he was no longer topic-banned.

Sandstein, of course Amoruso is mentioned by name in the final decision. He was one of the editors involved in the many disputes leading to the arbitration, he was mentioned by name in the discussions, and he was identified later as one of the first editors to receive a notification. In any case, even if I had made an error in not deleting that sentence (I did not add it, it was by default in the original template), that would not discredit the complaint nor absolve you of your responsibility to judge it on its merits. Your dismissive response demonstrates once again your pettifogging skills and your disregard for principles and essentials. I request that you recuse yourself from any further involvement in this request, which I do not believe that you are able to assess on its merits. RolandR (talk) 21:52, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Here

Discussion concerning Amoruso

Statement by Amoruso

I only came to Misplaced Pages this time to counter user:Zero0000's defamation here, and completely baseless accusations -Personal Ruthless Attack. I couldn't be bothered with it at the time but decided to respond now. He removed WP:RS which he by his own admission in the past confirmed that it's an WP:RS. There's really no doubt that something has to be done about user:Zero0000, his personal attacks and his personal disregard of Misplaced Pages policies. user:RolandR himself is a very problematic user too (both users have a history of blocks). He makes several mistakes/lies in his claim. For example, I never said I was not topic banned, just that it wasn't the right topic. His request was properly denied since it's full of mistakes.

As for the topic ban of four years ago if still relevant, like was mentioned above, I did not think that this was anything to do with the Israeli - Arab conflict. It's simply an internal Jewish - German historical issue with no mention of Palestinians or Arabs at all. There was no indication in the talk page like mentioned above. If someone feels for some reason that this was a violation of some kind, I apologize. That was of course never my intention. It is not my intention to edit anymore on this or other related topics at this time anyway. Again, I apologize if I mistakenly violated the ban. Thank you. Amoruso (talk) 02:42, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

@ EdJohnston, Lord Roem: It really did not occur to me that because Lehi also deals with issues with Arabs that this is under my ban. My ban was four years ago. I haven't made a single edit in violation of the ban since then. All my edits their purposes were simply to erase the damage of user:Zero0000 who erased an WP:RS, personally attacked me and called me a liar, even though he knew I was not editing Misplaced Pages anymore, so I restored the WP:RS and made a couple of other related edits on the way on this issue of Israel - Nazi Germany contact before there was any Israel-Palestine conflict, long before 1948 or even the Holocaust. I thought this had nothing to do with my ban. I realize this was a mistake now, but I don't see how a ban would serve any purpose. My intention is to edit on unrelated stuff and to contribute to Misplaced Pages in the future. I haven't edited since these edits on this sole page, nor do I intend to do any edits soon on any other subject, let alone on Israeli/Arab stuff. Just in the future I'd like to contribute to Misplaced Pages on totally unrelated non political issues. I haven't done anything wrong for 4 years so I ask to please disregard this and move on. I learnt this was a mistake, but it was simply a result of the WP:Personal Attack of user:zero0000 who basically baited me to come and restore my WP:RS. He should be reprimanded. And I have learnt and apologized. Thank you. Amoruso (talk) 02:01, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

By the way, I really was not involved with this ARBPIA at the time and I know very little about it. Looking now at that page, it seems user:RolandR knew I wasn't involved and tried to involve me further showing that he lied that he didn't know I was not "named". 02:57, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Shrike

I think there was some misunderstanding as talk page of the article didn't contain template that it covered by DS. I have added a relevant template --Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 19:16, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by ZScarpia

Sandstein wrote: 'The request incorrectly asserts that Amoruso is "mentioned by name in the Arbitration Committee's Final Decision linked to above".' The Final Decision section of the ARBPIA request for arbitration consists of the whole of section 4, in which Amoruso is mentioned in subsections 4.6 and 4.7.3. Therefore Sandstein's assertion about the assertion made in the request is actually the one which is in error. ← ZScarpia 21:21, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Penwhale: "In theory, the Final Decision does not encompass the Logs (of notification and sanctions)." Maybe, but in practice (according to the section structure) it does. ← ZScarpia 23:49, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

@EdJohnston, it should be obvious to anyone familiar with the particular topic concerned and the ARBPIA area in general that the article is part of the latter. Anyone not familiar with the topic but familiar with the ARBPIA area would just have to look at the list of contributors to the article and its talkpage to know that it was. ← ZScarpia 20:21, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Zero0000

Amoruso is one of the most disastrous editors I have met in my 11 years in Misplaced Pages. I could easy list half a dozen offences worse than the offences he was topic-banned for.

But it isn't necessary. It doesn't matter if he was mentioned on any particular page either. Enforce the ban already.

@EdJohnston : You ask whether Amoruso was aware that the article was covered by his topic-ban. To help you decide, I'll mention:
(1) One of Amoruso's violations refers to "establishment of a Jewish state".
(2) The event that Amoruso calls "an internal Jewish - German historical issue" was an offer by this Zionist splinter group to fight on the Nazi side in return for German help to establish a Jewish state in Palestine. Amoruso wrote a lot of that section:
(3) Amoruso has edited this article more than 200 times so the fact that it is an article explicitly about the Arab-Israeli conflict may have come to his attention. Zero 06:06, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Gaijin42

I am fairly new to the ARBPIA area, and have not interacted with Amoruso in any capacity, nor was I even aware of the Lehi article (or indeed real-world entity) prior to this report. I find it very difficult to believe that anyone would not think the article is within the scope of ARBPIA. The article repeatedly refers to the founding of Israel, The British Mandate, and directly (and directly contrary to Amaruso's statement) to conflicts between Palastenian Arabs and the group Lehi_(group)#Deir_Yassin_massacre. Even a cursory reading of the article would lead to the conclusion that this is solidly and clearly in the israeli-palestinian topic area. Gaijin42 (talk) 14:37, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Amoruso

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

The request incorrectly asserts that Amoruso is "mentioned by name in the Arbitration Committee's Final Decision linked to above". I stopped reading the request at that point. Why should I take the time to assess the request when the requester doesn't bother to compose it with reasonable care? Sandstein 20:46, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
... In theory, the Final Decision does not encompass the Logs (of notification and sanctions)... - Penwhale | 22:18, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
I don't know why a (not necessarily) formalistic error in the filing is a reason to discard the request. There was an indefinite topic ban which the editor proceeded to violate several times in a row. The article in question is about a "militant Zionist group" that existed around World War II up through 1948; there's no question it's covered by the terms of the TBAN. We need to give TBANS a liberal reading to avoid attempts to circumvent them and cause disruption. I recommend a block. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 00:46, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Certainly this is against Amoruso's validly-issued topic ban, but I wonder if it was obvious to him that Lehi (group) was under WP:ARBPIA. Amoruso was not mentioned by name in the ARBPIA decision, but that could be fixed by the submitter of this report by striking out the errors. EdJohnston (talk) 02:14, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

It's hard to imagine anyone not knowing that Lehi (group) falls under ARBPIA. I recommend going ahead with a block. EdJohnston (talk) 21:42, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Unless anyone objects, I think this can be closed soon with a one-week block. User:Amoruso didn't do himself any favors in his response here, but we should assume he is capable of following his ARBPIA topic ban in the future until such time as there is evidence to the contrary. EdJohnston (talk) 14:05, 1 August 2014 (UTC)