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for adding Syrian names to numerous biblical figures? Dougweller (talk) 19:34, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Well, for one the Assyrian people, who speak Syriac (Aramaic), heavily -- and I mean heavily -- Biblical figures' names. Also, the Syriac (Aramaic) names were widely used in early Christian communities of the Middle East. The Assyrian people continue to use them. I didn't add them for a bad reason; I think wikipedia could be of great use for this.

This is twaddle. None of the Syriac patriarchs that you've meddled with were either Assyrian or Turkish. Please desist from this ridiculous behaviour. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:44, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

This is what concerned me. There's a tendency to add different language names to articles when they aren't directly relevant. Dougweller (talk) 21:47, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Ok: 1. I never said they were Turkish. I made a category for Assyrian/Syriac ethnicity writers that were born in/lived in the area corresponding to modern-day Turkey.

@Doug, what you're saying is something different. I added Syriac Biblical names because many of the Hebrew names came from Aramaic and are both historically and religiously significant.

The best that can be said for this misguided effort is that it confuses multiple time periods. I might read as "Writers who wrote in the Syriac language who were from areas that are now in Turkey". Quite a lengthy title. And probably too obscure. Stop the current activities until agreement is reached on this point. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:52, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

If you click the category page, you'll see that it does not say that.

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syrian

the ethnicity of syrians is debated, and the only way to stand in the face of people who claim that 90% of syrians are arabs is using genetic studies, please read French people , Lebanese people and many other articles about people and you will find the genetic section much bigger than the syrian one--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 04:00, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

the page currently is under debate and genes are the strongest arguments, once this debate is over the genetic information's will be removed from the ethnogenises section and will only be in the genetic section--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 04:07, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Then why don't you make a sandbox page for now and refrain from adding tons of information and mass edits.

as i told you, genetics are mentioned in like tow sentences outside the genetic section, and they are needed, their is no mass edits in the article, its one of the smallest articles about modern peoples, all the new edits are justified, if you want to know how did the syrian people emerged then you gotta read the ethnogenises section and if you want proof that they are in fact connected to the old inhabitants of syria then you gotta read the genetic section, as i said all other articles have a huge section on genetics and the syrian one is no different, every thing is supported by refrences --Attar-Aram syria (talk) 04:32, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

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I only use "Syriac" myself, because "Assyrian" is ambiguous, and most people would think it means the people of ancient Assyria. But that's an argument for moving the main article, and edit wars on peripheral articles aren't going to help. — kwami (talk) 01:44, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

If those people are misinformed, by clicking the link to Assyrians they will correct their ignorance -- after all, isn't that what wikipedia is about?

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Christianity in the Middle East

OK. I got it. Do not worry about it. But you have to acknowledge that many of the Christians (excluding Greek Orthodox and Melkite) within Syria (excluding the North-East Syria-Hasake area) are a mix of Neo-Aramaic speaking Syriacs + Arameans (originally speakers of the almost extinct Western Aramaic language) + Ghassanid Arab Christian tribes, who are largely Arabic-speaking Christians.

And the case in Lebanon (excluding Greek Orthodox and Melkite) are a mix of Phoenicians + Neo-Aramaic speaking Arameans (originally speakers of the almost extinct Western Aramaic language) + Ghassanid Arab Christian tribes, who are largely Arabic-speaking Christians.

Hopefully we got each others point. MaronitePride (talk) 04:22, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

You asked me: "Would you know what percent of Maronites identify as Phoenician? I go to a Maronite church and almost all identify as Arabs, then as Lebanese." Well, it is difficult to say but usually the Maronites that have more Right-wing political views will identify as Phoenician Lebanese and usually call the Arabic dialect within Lebanon to be Lebanese language, completely different from the other Arabic dialects (ex. usually Falangist fractions). But if we look at the issue from unbiased view point, all present day Lebanese people, including Maronites and all Lebanese Christians (Greek Orthodox and Melkite), Shia Muslims, Sunni Muslims, and Lebanese Druze, are more or less direct descendants of the historical Phoenicians. Plus many of the Syrian people within the Syrian Mediterranean coast and the Palestinians close to the Lebanese border, also possible many of the present day Greek Cypriots, Maltese, Sicilians, Tunisians and Spanish have some blood connection to the Phoenicians. (Many Lebanese, regardless of religion affiliation are mistaken to be Italian, Spanish or Greek)

But at the same time it is normal that many of the Maronites "identify as Arabs, then as Lebanese." As I mentioned in my previous post, most of the Lebanese Christians (including the Maronites) are a mixture of Phoenicians + Arameans + Ghassanid Arab Christian tribes. (Possibly, the Greek Orthodox and Melkites are a mixture of Phoenicians + Arameans + Ghassanid Arab Christian tribes + possibly Greek blood.) Also, many prominent Maronites are Arab Muslim converts to Maronite Christianity over the centuries. (ex. The prominent Maronite Chehab family traced their lineage to the Banu Makhzum of the ancient Quraysh tribe from Mecca.) And as a result the Arabic language was easily adopted as a first language, the Syriac was left only for religious purposes. (I am not very knowledgeable about the Assyrians. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that the Assyrians, in contrast to the Maronites, have no Arab blood at all and as a result managed to keep and preserve the Syriac (Aramaic) language over the centuries.)

"Also, do you know what the first ethnic group to convert to Christianity was?" As a Lebanese Maronite, I would like to think and say the Phoenicians (present day Lebanese people) but I think that the highest possibility is that the first ethnic group/people to convert to Christianity are the people, who lived within Palestine. (The first state, as far as I know, to officially convert to Christianity was Armenia.)

It went my explanation too long, but hopefully it was useful.

MaronitePride (talk) 02:32, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

You said: "Also, although Palestinian Christians were the first Christians - I don't know why, but I do not think they continue to practice those old Christian traditions."

If you mean Palestinian Catholic Christians or Palestinian Protestant Christians, you are correct since they added many Western European new Christians traditions and possible removed some old Christian traditions. But the practice of the Palestinian Orthodox Christians are for sure directly connected to those old Christian traditions from 2000+ years and still retained in practice by them. (By the way our Maronite Church is initially (historically) an offshoot of the Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch and we see ourselves to follow those old Christian traditions coming via the oldest Greek Orthodox Church. Yes, then we became connected over the centuries through the Crusaders with the Catholics and today we see ourselves to be Catholics but with many intertwined old Greek Orthodox Christian traditions.) Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that the Assyrians from the Church of the East have also a lot of pre-Christian traditions coming from the old Assyrian and Zoroastrian religions.

Take care. MaronitePride (talk) 20:43, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

You said: "I think Middle Eastern Christians should unite -- and the first step to unity is learning Aramaic, I believe." Possibly, but Aramaic is very close to Arabic (both Semitic languages) and will be very difficult to learn very similar languages. (ex. I speak French, as every Lebanese, but have difficulties to learn proper Italian or even Spanish because of the similarities). Let's look differently even today languages like Arabic (most of the Middle Eastern Christians live within the Arab world: Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Sudan), possible the use of French and English create unity at the present time. And within the Middle Eastern Christian diaspora the situation is the same the three languages (Arabic, French, English) play a major role for unity.

Take care again. MaronitePride (talk) 21:01, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

"Well, what exactly do you mean by Palestinian Orthodox? What church is it in which these very primitive and ancient Christian traditions have been preserved in?"

Like Greek Orthodox Church of Jerusalem. Also the Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch (Maronite Church is initially (historically) an offshoot of that Church).

"Yes, the Church of the East I would say has a lot of ancient Assyrian and Jewish roots." The whole Christianity, regardless of sect has Jewish roots, since Christianity is based on Judaism but not many people accept this reality. (Even Islam is based on Judaism and no one accepts this too). But I wanted to know if the Assyrians from the Church of the East still have pre-Christian traditions coming from the old Zoroastrian religion.

"Regarding Aramaic, I disagree. I speak Aramaic and picked up Hebrew -- reading and writing -- in a matter of five months." Good for you. Congratulation. But for us, I think it will be very difficult. Unfortunately, I do not see many similarities between Lebanese Arabic (or Literary Arabic) and Hebrew to help that much, or maybe I am not very well aware about the other Semitic languages since as every Maronite (and most Lebanese), I am more interested in Western languages.

"I would love to see efforts of a (re?)unification of Middle Eastern Christianity, and the first step I believe is language. Why doesn't Lebanon fund a program to teach Aramaic to Christians, or to be more specific, Maronites?" Unfortunately, it is too late for learning such a language. The problem is that the place of Aramaic was always seen as just a language of the religious books, churches and not useful beyond that. Also, currently, the young generation, and I am part of it, is interested into languages that are more useful within the present day global world, both for business, travel, and immigration. (btw it is within our Lebanese nature since we are all proud descendants of the Phoenicians to look always for business and travel opportunities all over the world). Plus, the area around Lebanon is getting day by day too dangerous and many people think more about the future in diaspora (visas, languages like English, French, Spanish) and less about learning a religious language not really useful beyond religion. (Similar situation within the Jewish diaspora, most of them do not bother knowing Hebrew beyond some words needed for religious rituals like ex. Bar Mitzvah or marriage. English is more dominant within the Jewish diaspora than Hebrew). Also, Lebanon is and always was extremely diverse in terms of religions and even our current linguistic unity through our Lebanese Arabic did not help for peaceful coexistence, therefore, I could not imagine what would happen if the Lebanese government adds linguistic differences on top of the religious differences. I guess it would become the worst place to life in the whole world.

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