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Francis Brabrazon

Thank you for your ongoing interest. SaintAviator talk 08:12, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome! Unfortunately, we started off on the wrong foot, for which I apologise. I'll continue keeping my eye on the article in case POV pushers from any side decide to turn it into something less than encyclopaedic and informative. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:42, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Irnya I apologise too. I think we fought because we are alike. Lol. Anyway I checked out your WP contributions and like your inputs. You are fair and even tempered. SaintAviator talk 23:26, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

I suspect we're both sticklers for policy... and that can sometimes come off as being inadvertently bullish. While Misplaced Pages is a magnificent concept, we're all at the disadvantage of only being able to communicate via missives rather than face-to-face. Happy editing! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:10, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Agree with that. Lol. BTW, just opened a soc investigation here. Guys becoming uncivil too. ]. SaintAviator talk 06:51, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I've just added the investigation page to my watchlist. I'm logging out for the day, but will check in on how things are progressing tomorrow. Cheers for now! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:57, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Minor business

Ms Harpy, I was wondering if you could help me with some minor business. I've added some information to 2014 insurgency in Donbass from this OSCE report. It mentions a place in Kharkiv Oblast called "Havrishi", but I can find no trace of this place on any maps, or in any Google searches. I figured that this was some kind of transliteration error, or something like that, but I can't seem to figure it out. I'd like to be able to know where it is, so that I can verify the account for the sake of the article. I thought I'd ask if you could transliterate the name back into Cyrillic, so that perhaps I can look for it on Ukrainian/Russian maps or on the Ukrainian/Russian Misplaced Pages. Thanks very much in advance. RGloucester — ☎ 21:39, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Richard. It appears to be (coordinates) Havryshi in Bohodukhiv Raion. Hope this helps... and, please, call me Iryna. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:15, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Iryna! That was giving me a headache. RGloucester — ☎ 00:19, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

It actually took me about 15 minutes to work it out! My first response was to think that the 'aitch' could be wrong. OSCE simply confused the transliteration of 'y' and 'i'. It's amazing how little it takes to throw everything into confusion. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:27, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Dispute at Russia

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.

This message is being sent to let you know of a discussion at the Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding a content dispute discussion you may have participated in. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. You are not required to participate, but you are both invited and encouraged to help find a resolution. Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you!. You are being notified because you tried to reason with another editor, not because of any issues with your behavior. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:54, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for informing me, Robert McClenon. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:45, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Untitled

Ms. Harpy, You are actually really bothering me. I don't really understand what you are talking about, and you are making me afraid. I ask your assistance in resolving this matter either by you explaining what you are saying to me without using links or slang or by directing me how to make a grievance against you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.226.48 (talk) 01:32, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Please don't panic, 75.164.226.48. The above notice refers to a completely unrelated matter. Please do not be intimidated by the 'slang'. I am merely providing you with links to policies and guidelines relevant to your use of talk pages. The notices on your IP talk page/s (as I've noted, you appear to have a dynamic IP, meaning that your ISP constantly resets your IP address so that it doesn't point to the same IP address each time you leave a comment) are for your edification pertaining to Misplaced Pages rules for editing and interacting with other editors. Please make a little time to read these 'rules' in order that you understand the methodology for contributing to Misplaced Pages. I am not reprimanding you, but am trying to help you out should be be interested in becoming a Wikipedian. Happy editing! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:56, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

So what exactly are you talking about: I believe you wrote that I have not provided proper sourcing in the freedom of speech talk page?75.164.226.48 (talk) 02:05, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

That is correct. You have been discussing the matter in abstractions rather than providing reliable secondary sources to illustrate and support your contentions. In order to discuss changing the content of an article, the onus is on you provide sources (not simply personal opinions or analogies which are original research). Neither is it considered appropriate to leave messages on other editor's pages positioning yourself as an authority over and above that editor. Misplaced Pages policy is very clear on this matter: "Do not make personal attacks anywhere in Misplaced Pages. Comment on content, not on the contributor." --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:28, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Personal Note

My wife is a Russian-speaking Ukrainian and her "Ukrainian" name was Iryna as well (used in all official documents, passport, etc.). She changed it to Irina when she got her US citizenship. Of course, no matter how they spell it, Americans still call her "Eye-reen-uh". --Taivo (talk) 22:53, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Tfoo! My name was Anglicised to Irene. Initially, I would ask friends and colleagues to call me Iryna, but it almost invariably came out as "Eye-reen-uh". I've opted to go back to Irene simply because it doesn't make me want to punch them as much as the horrendously bastardised variant. Just call me Chuckles! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:48, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Russia GDP misleading information

Iryna the information on your edit change on Russia's GDP needs to be addressed referring to Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution noticeboard "Talk:Russia#MISTAKE IN RANKING NOMINAL GDP.It's 9th! which user Gladio4772 has been acting on ip hoping pushing the same discussion on anti Russian statements by creating new user names and pushing the same agenda (Russia GDP, denouncing Russia as a superpower, Russia kicked out of G8 and more - links of ip's and user names history down below. So I am reporting this problem with the administrator's on Gladio4772.

The facts are Russia is the 5th largest GDP economy now and is the biggest in Europe http://rbth.com/business/2013/07/17/russian_economy_becomes_biggest_in_europe_28149.html

Here's the facts http://rt.com/business/russia-gdp-5th-largest-158/

http://thebricspost.com/russia-ranked-5th-largest-economy-world-bank/#.U7x7oE1OXnM::::http://en.ria.ru/business/20130715/182248723/Medvedev-Lauds-Russias-5th-Place-in-World-Banks-GDP-Rating.html

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russia-takes-5th-place-in-world-gdp-rankings/483190.html

http://www.bne.eu/content/moscow-blog-russia-overtakes-germany-become-5th-largest-economy

http://www.fundweb.co.uk/emerging/russia-now-worlds-fifth-largest-economy-in-gdp-terms/1075160.article

http://rbth.com/business/2013/07/17/russian_economy_becomes_biggest_in_europe_28149.html

Gladio4772's is ip hoping and using user names on this adenge, his history is here and ip as 151.40.13.125 for disruptive ip hoping on these same discussions, speaking against Russia in all ip’s I found below have been using. All the same editor, all ip addresses are from Florence Italy. I am reporting his comments as all the same wording slamming disruptive edits against Russia since 2013 that this is not effective when users like this are disruptive and are doing the opposite. See the links of the contributes starting July 8, 2014‎ - 151.40.13.161 , July 7, 2014 151.40.45.125, March 17, 2014 - 151.40.95.82, April 2013 - Bocca Trabaria, March 2014 - 151.40.24.9 http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/151.40.24.9], March 2014 -151.40.7.192, Sept 23, 2013 - 151.40.18.30, Sept 15, 2013 - 151.40.55.125, March 18, 2014 - 151.40.35.236, March 18, 2014 - 151.40.9.149, March 17, 2014 - 151.40.72.141, March 16, 2014 - 151.40.14.179, March 16, 2014 - 151.40.83.17, March 15, 2014 - 151.40.69.199, March 15, 2014 - 151.40.34.218, March 15, 2014 - 151.40.120.19, Feb 4, 2014 - 151.40.63.30, Feb 4, 2014- 151.40.16.167, Dec 28, 2013 - 151.40.107.93, Dec 27, 2013 - 151.40.27.25, Dec 27, 2013 - 151.40.64.77, Dec 25, 2013 - 151.40.54.32, Dec 23, 2013 - 151.40.41.170, Dec 22, 2013 - 151.40.9.139, Sept 8, 2013 - 151.40.102.200, August 14, 2013 - 151.40.125.50, May 10, 2013 – Mediolanum, Oct 22, 2013 - Glc72, May 21, 2013 - 151.40.11.180, May 14, 2013 -151.40.59.151, May 14, 2013 - 151.40.60.108, May 11, 2013 - Bocca_Trabaria

Gladio4772 you’re not fooling anybody with your ip hoping pushing on your anti Russian statements on the same subjects.

--198.23.81.141 (talk) 19:46, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

I will respond to your missive on the "Russia" talk page where you have posted the identical information. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:42, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

1)Please Iryna i ask you to correct 8th referred to nominal gdp also at the start of the article.It' seems that Russia is 8th by 2014.The citation aside is referred to 2013. 2)I'd like to be your friend ...if you like).Image now not only i consider you a lot but make you as gift also flowers)I like a lot callas)If i could i give you a star to recognize what you did ,but i think i can send jsut flowrs,the best ones).Gladio4772 (talk) 05:40, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I've found it in the lead and have changed it to 9th there, too. So, between us, we've established that there were three instances of the wrong ranking. Do you mean calla lilies? I LOVE calla lilies, so thank you for the gift! Incidentally, I also have bipolar disorder, so you don't need to explain what it's like when you're going through a bad patch. I understand it very, very well. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:57, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank a lot.I feel you now so close.I think that people with particular problems (not too great that can't be managed) should be helped and not hit in Misplaced Pages.This would be civil for a site like this.You acted in a wonderful way.In the past (some years ago) i wrote totally or partially several articles on Misplaced Pages, then i stopped because of ill).In the real life i'm Giosue' Lorenzo Campi and i'm in Linkedin .If you are there....as you like).I admire you!)Gladio4772 (talk) 06:06, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

No, I no longer have an account with linkedin since I retired from work. I am here, though, on most days. Misplaced Pages actually has all sorts of volunteers with disabilities contributing, and is a very tolerant and friendly community. Sadly, that's not to say that there aren't intolerant people here. Some articles and users can be very difficult and unpleasant at times. Cheers for now. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:27, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

To you too).My email is giosuecampi@libero.it.I'm always open to you!Always).Gladio4772 (talk) 07:16, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Wonderful woman

Gladio4772 (talk) 07:18, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Iryna 64...is lasting in attacking me in areally disturbing way.I suppose he his the same person with IP 198......How can i block them?Gladio4772 (talk) 09:49, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Please Iryna explain you to Keithbob in few words.You are better than me in explaining all).Gladio4772 (talk) 18:35, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

March of Ukrainian Nationalists

Hi. Can you take a look at this: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/March of Ukrainian Nationalists? It looks like someone wants to delete the article for political reasons.--BoguSlav 16:02, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

2014 insurgency in Donbass

It's ok :). I will update this map every day and if you have an account in Commons, let me invite you to fix or update it. Cheers. --201.252.4.163 (talk) 00:38, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Cheers! Yes, I do have an account at Wiki Commons as part of my global account. You can leave me a message there. I'll also put the commons map on my watchlist. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:42, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Change at Armenia

Have you seen my comments at the editor's talk page? Dougweller (talk) 08:03, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

@Dougweller: Yes, I did. That's why I just added a template warning for the editor as a 'heads up' for you as to his/her continuing substantive changes without edit summaries, and wielding a BATTLEGROUND approach to other editors.

I'm going to leave a talkback notice on his/her page. Hopefully, when their block has expired, I'll try to calm them down and stop assuming bad faith, personal attacks, etc. The lack of editors of Armenian descent whose English is more than basic is a problem. As so much of the information on various Armenia-related articles is poorly sourced, I'm predisposed to encouraging potential editors to work on their contribution skills. Yerevantsi is a well established Wikipedian therefore, rightly or wrongly, I'm prone to favour his content over that of a new contributor who's behaviour smacks of NOTHERE. I guess we can only see how it goes. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:21, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Do not remove content from stable version that existed over long time

The dates concerning formation of Armeninan statehood where part of stable revision over long time, that where removed by User:Yerevantsi. I simply reedited them, and now you've undone it. Obviously, you are biased, and pretend to know my own history better then I do, although I had it as a mandatory course over 4 years. I undid now the action of User:Yerevantsi (ironcially not from yerevan, but Georgia), who previously removed the dates that made up the whole picture of creation of Armenian statehood. Please refrain from biased actions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aleko rubin (talk • contribs) 14:46, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Reported to WP:AN3. Dougweller (talk) 15:23, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Gladio4772

There are two sockpuppet investigations into the users who were edit-warring on Russia. (I wouldn't have noticed that edit-war except for the shouting.) Gladio4772 is at least thought to be a sock-puppet of a blocked user. (As you know, that is another way to become a blocked user oneself.) There appear to be two sock-puppet farms, one pro-Russian and one anti-Russian. Gladio4772 is alleged to be one of the anti-Russian sock-puppets. We shall see. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:30, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Okay, Robert McClenon. Despite his/her call out for assistance above, I haven't interacted with the user since clearing up the fisticuffs regarding GDP statistics. I have zero interest in working with, or siding with anyone who can't contribute civilly, despite the fact that they were correct about a minute detail in the content. I would have preferred to ignore that skirmish, but the DRN forced my hand in trying to sort it out. Cheers for the heads up! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:18, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't really want to be involved any more than I can either. As an American, I have no personal interest in that part of the GDP ranking. I just thought you might want to know that he appears to be a sock-puppet and that we have two sock-farms. Yuck. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:08, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Hardly anything new for Eastern Europe. I suspect that they're in competition with the Middle East for cornering the sock exchange. Bad puns aside, I'm used to it. While it's best to avoid stepping into their lairs, I'm certain more of my time and energy is spent on fighting off POV pushers, discussing use of sources at the RSN, and staving off edit wars by encouraging the use of article talk pages than in improving the quality of articles. I must have a back-burner list as long as "War and Peace" by now. It's a yuck job, but someone has to be masochistic enough to do it. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:44, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Kyrylo Rozumovskyi

Iryno, I am turning to you for advice. I am having trouble with some editors who groundlessly reverting my edits and deleting all references. Many of them do not want to acknowledge Ukrainian transliteration of Rozumovsky's name even though it is available in English sources which I do provide. According to historical sources, it seems that children of Hryhoriy Rozum adopted the Russian-like name Razumovsky when they accidentally were granted the nobility title. Interestingly, the Ukrainian wikipedia provides information about Kyrylo's mother Natalia Demeshko who after the first marriage carried the last name Lemesh (note: village of Lemeshi). Please, visit the article when you will have time to review it. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 12:58, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Cheers, Aleksandr Grigoryev. You would have noted that I'd been active on the article, but haven't had time to revisit it as I have an illness in the family taking up much of my time at the moment. I'll get back to it ASAP! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:24, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Translation of some minor importance

Recently, an article was created: International sanctions during the 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine. I'm not opposed to its creation, as it is an important topic, but at present it is quite bare. Most of the present text is a duplication of the older List of individuals sanctioned during the 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine. As such, I've noticed that the Ukrainian-language Misplaced Pages has a decent article on these sanctions. If you have the time, perhaps you'd consider translating this into English? It would make more sense to translate the Ukrainian Misplaced Pages's article, rather than write one from scratch. At least, I think so. Ta! RGloucester — ☎ 01:26, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

I've taken a look at the article, and it appears to be well referenced, RGloucester. It shouldn't be too difficult to find English language parallel articles where sources may be considered dubious. I'm currently tied up with 'stuff' IRL, but will start on it ASAP. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:48, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks very much! RGloucester — ☎ 02:08, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Articles about the Ukrainian community in Portugal

Dear Iryna, here are some articles about the Ukrainian community in Portugal which, given that it is the 2nd largest here, after the Brazilian, may be a reason to eventually start a Misplaced Pages article on it, which I would be glad to do, and I'd be glad if I could have your help.: http://www.jn.pt/PaginaInicial/Sociedade/Interior.aspx?content_id=1307234 ; http://portugal.mfa.gov.ua/pt/press-center/publications/1009-os-ucranianos-que-esto-em-portugal-so-uma-grande-oportunidade-para-os-nossos-pases ; http://economico.sapo.pt/noticias/ucranianos-em-portugal-vao-fazer-ultimato-a-embaixada-amanha_185634.html ; http://www.ionline.pt/artigos/portugal/ucranianos-portugal-unidos-no-apelo-paz-na-ucrania ; http://www.noticiasmagazine.pt/2014/os-ucranianos-portugueses-estao-a-preparar-se-para-a-guerra/ ... Well... There are plenty of articles. These are all in Portuguese, they're all in Portuguese, but you can use Google Translate to translate them. Notice that most of the Ukrainians living here are from Western Ukraine, so I guess what positions a lot (but not all) have about this conflict. Though I've also known a couple of Russian speaking Ukrainians here. And the articles I've chosen, I found them interesting but they might not be, necesseraly, the most reliable ones, and there are far more with plenty of statistics and information. When you wish, you can reply to me. I'd be very glad to edit an article, both in Portuguese and in English (in Ukrainian, I'm afraid I can't, but I'd be glad I could), about the Ukrainian community in Portugal!Mondolkiri1 (talk) 04:16, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Apologies for not getting back to you on this matter sooner, Mondolkiri1. You left a message regarding creating an article on the diasporic community a couple of weeks ago, but I've been tied up IRL. I'll take a look at these articles, but I'm not certain that I'm the right person to involve myself in a neutral capacity. I've withdrawn from contact with the Ukrainian diaspora in Australia due to having become exasperated with the neoconservatives who are strangling rational discourse within the community. Unfortunately, diasporic communities don't elect their representatives... they're self-appointed and very, very pushy. Let me think on it. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 02:06, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, I'll see what I can do by myself about the Ukrainian community in Portugal. I'd be glad, as I said, if I could have your help, but there are a lot of sources, in Portuguese, about the Ukrainian community here, which, as I said, is the 2nd largest after Italy in Western Europe (I don't know why, since this is almost like Greece now, there must be a reason). Well, I'll start a page, in Portuguese, Spanish and English, and I'll ask your opinion, then (when I have it started)Mondolkiri1 (talk) 01:26, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

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I've sent you an e-mail, so I can send you an attachment with a pdf of the chapters about UPA. best Faustian (talk) 13:41, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Concerning to the user Black Future

I've already expressed my concerns to RGloucester about what I perceive as being, in my opinion, somewhat disruptive edits, and I quote what I said:

• I think Black Future has been posting some edits that seem to me to be somewhat disruptive to me, unexplainably deleting sources, adding unsourced figures and distorting quite a lot the content of a source that he added, and I 1st deleted and I added again with the right information that is in that source. Do you agree? Should he be warned?Mondolkiri1 (talk) 08:44, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Again, there are some edits from this editor that seem to me to be somewhat disruptive. In one of them, in the summary of the edit, the editor made the following accusation: "Convenient when sources are blanked, content changed, and when content is re-inserted, "it's not in the sources" is used as an excuse to blank again". Well, now Black Future added the source (concerning to the 80% of eventual Russian volunteers)! But it wasn't there before. Therefore, I didn't blank any source stating that there might be 80% of Russian volunteers. Now it's correct (since, later, this editor added the source that actually says that). On the other hand, he or she is removing sources, without any explanation.Mondolkiri1 (talk) 21:10, 8 August 2014 (UTC) End of quote.

I've also addressed Black Future personally about the edits on 8 August. What is your opinion about this, Iryna?Mondolkiri1 (talk) 00:35, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

I did not respond to your query because I usually prefer not to get involved in that type of thing. RGloucester — ☎ 01:28, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

@RGloucester:In my opinion, he or she is disruptive about the edits in Misplaced Pages, concerning the situation in Ukraine. He/she has not been as stupid as others in order to engage in actual vandalism behaviours (that's what I guess). But making false accusations, while he/she is actually deleting the sources without providing any explanation, distorting the content of an article in particular, that I kept there, but which stated something completely different than what the user wrote in the article (and I edited the article according to the content of that source, later changed by RGloucester about the phrasing and grammar (I guess) but without distorting in any way the content), ignoring any calls for discussion in the Talk Page before the article is changed by him/her, and replacing information in the article without proper sources provided... I think that's enough for me to consider this user as disruptive.Mondolkiri1 (talk) 21:57, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Cut & paste from my user page

Response to a message received from Iryna

I am at a loss. I changed "played a substantial role" to "perpetrated," because no one else beyond the Ukrainian Insurgent Army was involved in the massacres of Poles in Volhynia in 1943 and this is supposed to be my "personal analysis?" Snyder and Davies do not mention any other perpetrators and there is no footnote to show the source of the view that the Ukrainian Insurgent Army played just a "substantial role." The same goes for the "similar actions," while despite atrocities, there was no policy of ethnic cleansing of the Ukrainians living in post-war Poland. There was a policy of deportation which is clearly attested to by Snyder. With your changes, the article becomes misleading.

As to the Volhynia article, I agree, I did not cite a source, though there are plenty. Who do you think was there before Vladimir took over? Still, what is neutral? I am sure that you would not agree with the Russian take on Kievian Rus.

Pernambuco1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pernambuco1 (talk • contribs) 04:31, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Firstly, read Neutral point of view, Words to watch (particularly WP:WEASEL). As to Snyder and Davies being the only sources, that is contestable, except for the fact that, thanks to WP:POV pushers (which your content changes currently reflect on you as being), other sourced material has been removed during edit warring. Even where there are a couple of sources selected out of many, many more potential sources, please try to abide by avoiding WP:WEASEL in paraphrasing the material.

The remainder of your first paragraph here also indicates your WP:BIAS of 'no policy'. No policy does not mean that ethnic cleansing did not occur (again, there are sources which, through edit-warring, have been removed). This is an online encyclopaedia, not a nationalistic narrative line depicting good guys vs. bad guys.

My personal take on the "Russian take on Kievan Rus" is that Wikipedians follow the policies and guidelines. All articles are written assuming good faith, and the article on Kievan Rus' has been written collaboratively, with discussions taking place on the corresponding talk page. That's what talk pages are for. If you care to follow my editing work and discussions on talk pages and work out my personal position on any subject is, you'd be the first person to do so. So far as I'm concerned, that means I'm doing the right thing in following the spirit of Misplaced Pages.

As you are new to Misplaced Pages, I hope you stay on and join us as an editor. Please familiarise yourself with policy, guidelines and get a general sense of how Misplaced Pages works. Happy editing! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:45, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Galicia (someplace somewhere)

• After having read the extensive discussions on this matter, I realise that you'd been dealing with this matter for ages. By chance, yesterday, I came across the article whilst doing some work on Austria-Hungary articles, and found that it had been moved to disambiguation with "(East Central Europe)", despite a discussion on the talk page, and despite no clear consensus in favour of that move. I also note that "East Central Europe" does not exist, as far as I can tell. Hence, I got a sysop to move it back to the original title with "(Eastern Europe)". I hope that this has not been in anyway disruptive, however, I think that any move should only take place as part of an RM discussion, given the contentious nature of the debate. My own conclusion on the matter is that there is no worthwhile reason to move away from the status quo, as I said on that talk page. RGloucester — ☎ 15:27, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree with your reverting the redirect entirely. There have been numerous identical moves which were not agreed to via past RMs here and here (not to mention blocks, sanctions, investigations and other arbitration cases where familiar names crop up arising as the result of WP:TE) practices). --Iryna Harpy (talk) 02:15, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Epic Barnstar
		In recognition for your tireless efforts to improve the 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine and War in Donbass, with exceptional accuracy, balance, persistence and commitment to the Misplaced Pages rules

Mondolkiri1 (talk) 15:13, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much! It's very much a team effort, and we're fortunate in having a number of excellent, neutral editors keeping the article content in check... so, keep up your end of the good work, too. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:27, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Please learn

UPA massacred Polish civilians in 1943 and you put the blame on armed marauders acting 1944/1945. Xx236 (talk) 07:02, 18 August 2014 (UTC)