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Deletion of Paperpile

You deleted the Paperpile page despite an ongoing dispute. Can you explain what made you decide not to let the dispute run its course. Can you also explain how the article cannot be reworded so that it is as compliant with G11 and A7 as other reference manager product pages, of which there are many on Misplaced Pages (Category:Reference management software), and which seem not to be deemed promotional even though inadvertently they of course are. Is it OK for me now to go ahead and tag all of these pages with speedy deletion? --Drycafe (talk) 12:15, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

• What is your relationship to Ppgardne (talk · contribs)? The multiple comments on the talk page had a distinct smell of sock puppetry. How would I have been able to determine that the dispute had run its course? No changes had been made to the article. But feel free to raise the matter at Deletion Review. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:52, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

I have no relationship to Ppgardne (talk · contribs), other than that I work in a field (Bioinformatics) related to the one he seems to work in. Re: determing status of the dispute, at least in my dispute comment, I had raised a couple of questions, similar to the ones above, which, to my knowledge (because by the time I got up again the Talk page was gone) remained unanswered. Unless the questions are deemed illegitimate or irrelevant, which, if the case, someone should state, and unless they aren't repeats of already discussed questions, which they weren't, doesn't that indicate a discourse in progress? -- Drycafe (talk) 12:03, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Keranique didn't stay deleted for long

Looks like some salt may be necessary here. --| Uncle Milty | talk | 12:49, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! --| Uncle Milty | talk | 15:56, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Deli Amsterdam

Hi RHaworth, Please let me know what more I can do to make my page more suitable for Wiki! The content is : website. I have one added notable source that is a news publication here in the Nederlands but I don't know how to link it as it is not online. I have a photocopy of it though. Is the gaining of notoriety as simple as also linking to this source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amsterfiend (talk • contribs) 13:01, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

how do you expect RHaworth (talk · contribs) to read the article without a wikilink to the article? And always remember to sign your contributions. Wikicology (talk) 13:40, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

• Since it exists, you may continue to work on draft:Deli Amsterdam but I hope it gets rejected as spam. Thereafter, kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your website is notable and writes about it here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:55, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

• @Amsterfiend: what you must do here on Misplaced Pages is not to gain notoriety for a topic or subject, but to establish the notability of the topic or subject by what you write in the proposed article about it. WP:42. And no, citing a single newspaper that discusses the subject would not suffice, because notability requires multiple independent sources to discuss the subject in detail. And yes, a news publication that is offline is totally OK as a source, I suggest you read WP:REFB to learn how to cite it. You do not need to upload it anywhere (although on a very very few occasions I have requested such a thing from others.) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:53, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Copyvios

Sorry if I was 'bugging you' in suggesting that they contact you, since you were the deleter. TLSuda actually suggested in IRC that getting them the content just mailed so they can recreate the page without the copyvio would be easier. Anyhow, was trying to be 'polite' and not actually say what you said on the wiki instead of IRC (since it's harder to give a not-mean tone to it) but I fully approve the sentiment.

I should just start saving copies of all these G-12 pages, given the amount of talk page traffic they are getting me all of a sudden, but meh. FYI, I'm trying to actually scan the majority of the huge AfC backlog, since it seems like about 10-15% are copyvios.

Anyhow, it was funny. Revent 14:43, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

• You were not bugging me at all. And why on earth do you feel any need to be polite to spammers? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:32, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Some of us take the view that we should (try to) be polite to everyone; while of course also pointing them - still politely! - towards the door in a few necessary cases. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:47, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

• I consider that I am invariably polite on talk pages. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:09, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

SWEDESD

Hi RHaworth, How do I go about editing this article? SWEDESD, the Swedish International Centre of Education for Sustainable Development, Visby — Viktorvisby (talk) 13:22, 3 September 2014 (UTC) Viktor

• You probably have a COI so, preferably, you do not edit the article. But if you insist, then you edit the article in the same way as any other article: write encyclopedic content in your own words and provide decent references. The title should be Swedish International Centre of Education for Sustainable Development with a redirect at SWEDESD. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:32, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Albert Pyun

Another Albert Pyun promotional item tagged for speedy deletion. The Interrogation of Cheryl Cooper. See talk page. Thanks for you help. Readyforanderson (talk) 15:45, 3 September 2014 (UTC)Readyforanderson

• If speedy tags are getting removed, raise the AfD yourself - don't leave it to me. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:09, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

If I knew what an AfD was, I would have. Readyforanderson (talk) 04:03, 6 September 2014 (UTC)Readyforanderson

• I am surprised - in three years I would have expected you to come across AfD somewhere. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:49, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Philip Trevino

Hello, I'm wondering about the deletion of Draft:Philip Trevino and how to avoid it. The information provided was biographical and factual beyond what was listed and well cited, so how would it be copyright infringement of this? Because of the sentence format being to similar? Simply removing sentence structure and providing a list of accomplishments would suffice? The information is an artists bio that is common to playbills as well. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.96.107.57 (talk) 17:36, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

• There was a big enough proportion of the article which was word-for-word copy to justify speedy deletion. For further advice, get yourself an account. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:09, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Mbunda

Hi RH. You had an issue with the Mbunda article in its early days. I too have issues with it from verification, sources, original research etc. perspectives. But more importantly, it turns out that the editor is actually speaking on behalf on an organisation representing the Mbunda people and the content being injected into numerous articles is generated by said organisation. I have opened a COI entry here and thought you might have an opinion on the matter. Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 21:17, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

• Both you and Ndandulalibingi (talk · contribs) are rather long winded. If you can put up a good case for blocking, I will willingly do so. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:09, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Apologies for being long-winded, I was trying to be comprehensive and show that there is enough evidence. Your guidance would be welcome. Can you point me to an example of "a good case"? Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 03:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

• And my apologies: I have not been studying the background closely enough to be able to contribute to the CoI Noticeboard discussion and I am not sure how you could escalate the matter except possibly at ANI. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:31, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Restoring Draft:Hallsville, North Carolina

Hello. You recently flagged my article Hallsville, North Carolina for an "ambiguous copyright violation" and it was deleted before I could make changes and resubmit it. I spent a deal of time writing the said article and was unaware that this would occur. The source provided as evidence for the copyright violation contained information that was public domain, so I do not think that there was in actuality a copyright violation. However, if you could restore the draft for me to edit, I will be happy to rephrase the information in a manner that does not raise any red flags. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marc.bratcher (talk • contribs) 21:10, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

• It was UNambiguous copyright violation. It is not a matter of information being in the public domain; it is a matter of the text which is copyrightable. I am happy to email you the text - read this. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:09, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Hilco Global

Hello, You recently reviewed and flagged my page, Draft:Hilco Global for deletion due to copyright infringement. I would like to appeal this ruling since the information flagged as copyrighted is from the Hilco Global Website and as a party related to Hilco Global i give permission to use this information. If this is still a problem then could you please give me some information for how to fix this issue? do i just need to re-write it in my own words? I have been trying to get this article published with little success and little guidance or help for several months now. I look forward to your response. Thank you. also, i would like to get my content back so that i can amend it to an acceptable and appropriate version. — BenHilco (talk) 21:41, 3 September 2014 (UTC) BenHilco

• I did not flag the page for deletion. When your company becomes notable, someone with no COI will write about it here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:09, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

The Honey Do Service, Inc.

Hi Grumpy Old Man, My draft Draft:The Honey Do Service, Inc. was recently deleted due to copyright violations. I've run the article through a duplicate content search and changed the things which violated copyright. I saw the message "If you are recreating a page similar to the previously deleted page, or are unsure, please first contact the deleting administrator using the information provided below." I'd like to resubmit the article and would like to know the next step. — Honeydoservice (talk) 00:59, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

• The next steps are clear: walk away from Misplaced Pages and stay away. When your service becomes notable, someone with no COI will write about it here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:31, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion User:Jvlarion

I cant revert back my User page it is suppose to be a User page of mine not an article so please revert back it as a User page not totally delete it. The system cant revert it back so my page is totally lost? I hope you can revert it as User page thank you very much admin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jvlarion (talk • contribs) 06:20, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Please dont totally delete my User page Engr. Joelar V. Larion. Just revert it as my User Page. It is suppose to be a User page of mine, Im trying to revert it using the revision history but the system fail, i guest only you admin can do the revert my page only as a User page. Thank you Larion 07:02, 4 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jvlarion (talk • contribs)

Had it been a straight WP:A7 more generosity would have been given, but it also falls foul of WP:G11, which means it also would have been deleted if it had been your user page. Please learn: to sign your posts with --~~~~; wikilinks; to wait until someone with no COI deems you notable and writes about you here.--Launchballer 07:30, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

But why totally delete it? its been up for 2 years ago but why only now? its too harsh, give me a change to improve it but now how can i retrieve the deleted page of mine? -- Larion 08:17, 4 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jvlarion (talk • contribs)

Have you read my page? its been up for almost 2 year, there is a time that i move it in folder wikipedia and some of the admin just move it where it belongs in my User page not deleting it. you can view the revision history of it. My page is too important not only for me I hope you understand thank you. -- Larion 08:47, 4 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jvlarion (talk • contribs)

• Yes, I have read your page. It is pure social networking. Obviously it has no place in the (article) namespace and it has no place in the user: namespace either because you are not a Misplaced Pages editor and in two years you have made it obvious that you have no intention of becoming one. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:31, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

I want to become a wikipedia editor, And I want to start in my own User page, so my concern is how can i retrieved my User page to start. Please don't judge my intentions of becoming one its unfair. Those social networking you probably you saw is just a link that I thought okay if it is not, I can delete that and anything against the rule. But how can I retrieve my User Page? I've created it with hard work and full of dedications so please dont just delete it just because of some rules, I learning my lesson here so please give me another chance, please revert back my User page. Thank you very much sorry for all inconvenience that I brought :) -- Larion 10:53, 4 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jvlarion (talk • contribs)

• First prove that you don't just want to become a Misplaced Pages editor, prove that you are one. Do at least fifty useful edits and then come back to me. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:58, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

As I said before I do some revert but the system itself cant retrieved my User page. I can do that contribution if that is what you require to be one. But I need a honest answer is my User Page can still be retrieved? you will be held liable for all my hard work after doing what you required then at the end my User page cant be retrieved, my heart will be pierced with eternal agony if my User page cant be retrieved. I hope you understand. --Larion 11:22, 4 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jvlarion (talk • contribs)

• "Eternal agony" indeed! I can let you have the text immediately if you promise to post it somewhere other than Misplaced Pages. Indeed even if you became a proper editor, your page would still be unsuitable because it is too much about you and not enough about what you do on Misplaced Pages. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:43, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much mate that will do, I will not post that page here. You can send the text in my email I already checked the Enable email from other users, Thank you very much I really appreciate it. --Larion 14:24, 4 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jvlarion (talk • contribs)

• Emailed on the strict understanding that it will not re-appear on Misplaced Pages. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:17, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

The Knowledge Centre for Agriculture Deletion

Sydney Finkelstein

Hello Roger, Re: Draft:Sydney Finkelstein. Thanks for taking time to review my submission. I would like to clarify that Sydney Finkelstein, the subject of this listing, is the same Sydney Finkelstein who maintains this page and the social media sites linked to this entry. He is a well-known teacher, researcher and speaker. I hope this clarifies the copyright issue. Please let me know if it is possible to edit and publish this page. Thanks. Imainfp (talk) 17:16, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

• I did not review your submission. Sydney Finkelstein is also, I suspect, User:Imainfp and if so, I ask him kindly to have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks he is notable and writes about him here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:52, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Draft:The Trouble with Barry

Draft:The Trouble with Barry (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement of http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2400473/combined). Hi there, My article Draft:The Trouble with Barry was deleted for copyright infringement (I think) because I copied and pasted the same plot synopsis I posted on IMDB into the "plot" section of the article. Would it be possible for me to submit a new article on the same subject with an originally drafted plot synopsis that I come up with on the spot, that isn't featured anywhere else? Thank you. Mike Justice (talk) 19:41, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

• Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks the movie is notable and writes about it here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:52, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Paid editor?

Tell me this is not a paid editor, or someone with a conflict of interest. (Search Google for Rachleff and Califano, and you'll see the connection is the Damon Runyon Cancer team.) - 2601:B:BB80:E0:F109:7FA8:471:3F5D (talk) 11:00, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Problem user

Hi RHaworth. I wasn't sure which noticeboard, if any, was appropriate to ask advice on how to deal with the problem user Anshu abinash. He's a newer user whose edit history thus far has been mostly disruptive edits and repeatedly recreating autobiographies, which you yourself have deleted twice. It doesn't appear he has read or understood the policies that have been left in his talk page messages. I'm not convinced there's any malicious intent, but I think there's clear issues of WP:COMPETENCE and/or a serious language barrier. Any thoughts on how to handle this? --Drm310 (talk) 13:21, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

• Here for more than a month and no useful edits. Indef. block seems appropriate. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:02, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Will you do that? I'm not an admin, and lack the privileges to do so. Cheers! --Drm310 (talk) 14:52, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I see you have. Thanks! --Drm310 (talk) 20:39, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

British Rail Class 66

Could you help me understand the intention behind ? —Sladen (talk) 15:07, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Ah, makes (partial) sense; it was deleted, then restored for no obvious reason; that have doesn't show in the diff, only in the log. The reason for G6ing it, is that the move existed for less than three hours before being restored, so there is no legitimate reason it would be linked or reached. —Sladen (talk) 15:10, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

• No it was not deleted and restored. To be honest, I did not read the deletion tag carefully, I thought it was a request to move the article back to its lower case c state and I decided to stomp on the idea firmly. If you had used {{db-r3}} rather than {{db-g6}}, I might have reacted differently. Try again with an R3 if it really bothers you - I will not interfere. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:49, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

• • Done: Old revision of British Rail class 66 —Sladen (talk) 18:40, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

GamerGate

I wish to appeal the deletion of GamerGate (or GamerGate_2). The article was well sourced and not an attack article, but rather an initial attempt at encyclopedic coverage of the controversy. The affair has received mainstream media coverage, and it seems rather silly for people looking it up on Misplaced Pages to find themselves looking at worker ants. The article should have been improved, not deleted out of hand. kencf0618 (talk) 17:21, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

(ec with above?) Hi, can you explain why you deleted this as G10? It didn't read like a purely derogatory article to me, but rather like a more or less factual-sounding account of a controversy involving Internet harassment etc. by others that has been reported on. Not sure whether it's a notable topic, but that's not the issue. Thanks,  Sandstein  17:21, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

The GamerGate subsection of Video game culture (Social implications of video games) is still up. If the subject isn't notable enough for a standalone article, a redirect to that subsection would serve nicely. I'm sorry for what happened to Quinn and Sarkeesian, but it's a culture war in an emerging media realm which has become notable. Lots of magisteria in play here, but we have to rely on the reportage. kencf0618 (talk) 17:35, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

• How often does it happen that I simply reverse one of my deletions? Probably about 1 in 5,000 cases. I will leave one of you to moan at Ramba Ral (talk · contribs). — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:49, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

It's not my place to moan at Ramba Ral (not least because this is the first I've heard of him), but the recovery of the article is much appreciated. Thank you. The subject is a big, messy moving target, and we shall do our level best and more. kencf0618 (talk) 18:01, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Emerson Gifford Deletion

Hello, I am the author of the Emerson Gifford article and I completely understand the reason you took it down. But this is very important to me that it is up. His birthday is coming up and he really wants a page. How can I make it better so it can stay? He is a great author. ANd I worked very hard on that. Can I edit my page instead of restarting it? I can't find a way to get to it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiAuthor71 (talk • contribs) 17:57, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Link To Emerson Gifford deleted page

Emerson_Gifford — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiAuthor71 (talk • contribs) 18:00, 6 September 2014 (UTC)