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Mullah Omar

I type this so that I can get an understanding of where you are coming from in relation to File:Mullah Omar.png .What if the resolution was altered or the image was adjusted? Could it still be considered free use? Could I try and find another version of the image from another site claiming PD? Could I use the other image of Mullah Omar on ? How can I ensure I upload an image that doesn't get deleted every time when I fill out the licensing and permission and everything? It just seems really odd as to why no images are allowed of a person who has a $10 million reward for capture, when it would not only be doing him a great disservice having his image on a Misplaced Pages article but also expanding an article for users. StanTheMan87 (talk) 10:27, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages has a very strict policy when it comes to uploading images. This Mullah Omar's image is without doubt the work of someone from Afghanistan or Pakistan. Because it is very famous photo, someone from Afghanistan or Pakistan could make a claim that it is his work and go the U.S. to file a lawsuit in federal court and ask for millions of dollars, and eventually he will get if he produces evidence. The U.S. government knows this and that's why it won't use the full version. The second issue is that it is not for certain that this is Mullah Omar's face. It is just thought to be him and because of this reason it cannot qualify for fair use. There may be a $10 million reward for his capture, at the same time he is offered a deal to return to Afghanistan and live as a free person with no charges against him. --Krzyhorse22 (talk) 16:12, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

If the work is from someone within Afghanistan, what if they haven't registered their work with the United States? We don't know the background behind the image, only that it is purported to be Mullah Omar, as the State Department and various media outlets believe. You can see traces that all the images purporting to depict mullah Omar do indeed portray the same person. Notice the width of the nostrils in between the two images, the close resembling facial features of and and the high beard in and . Does it not look like the same person to you, or is it just me? That registry with the U.S on published works appears to be for images with a vested commercial interest, whereas the mullah omar image appears to be equivalent to a mug shot, not something intended to sell. Isn't it an issue that very little is actually known abut who took the image? And does it mean absolutely nothing that Afghanistan isn't a member of the Berne Convention, the World Trade Organisation or the World Intellectual Property Organisation? The Uruguay Round Agreements Act states: the time the work was created, at least one author must have been a national or domiciliary of an eligible source country. An eligible source country is a country, other than the United States, that is a member of the WTO, a member of the Berne Convention for the protection of the Literacy and Artistic Works, or subject to a presidential proclamation restoring U.S copyright protection to works of that country on the basis pf reciprocal treatment of the works of U.S nationals or domiciliaries. Can this not be taken into consideration when determining if the image is liable under a copyright of any kind, whether in Afghanistan or the U.S? Could I upload an image of Ayman al-Zawahiri from the FBI site without worrying about all these issues with Mullah Omar? I don't mean to annoy you, but I just have absolutely no idea when an image can be uploaded anymore, with all these inquests into non-free use. I thought I had everything done right. StanTheMan87 (talk) 08:06, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

1. Images posted on US government sites don't mean they are free to use, unless an image was specifically created by a U.S. federal government employee during his or her official duty. It is the responsibility of the uploader to provide that information.
2. That is not Omar's mug shot. It is Afghanistan's national ID photo.
3. The guy shown from the side was interviewed a number of years ago and it was proven to be someone other than Omar.
4. You can find a better color and latest image of Ayman al-Zawahiri, send email to the author and request permission to use it in Misplaced Pages.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 12:55, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

1. What if the government site states public-domain? Wouldn't that classify as free to use? Could I just use the exact cropped version of rewards for justice with the low resolution? Or is the reason due to, as you stated, an uncertainty if the image is indeed Mullah Omar? My only counter is that if it's worthy for the U.S to use in displaying a $10 bounty of an individual, than that should prove adequate enough reason that the image is legit.
2. If it's a national ID photo, wouldn't that make the image usable as it's an official government document use solely for identification? I thought ID photos aren't sold for commercial interests. Does that mean that my passport/license photo, for example, has a copyright on it by a private individual?
3. The man was interviewed? StanTheMan87 (talk) 08:50, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, this man was proven to be a false image of Mullah Omar after this 2003 Vanity Fair article was published. The same source states that the image you uploaded is a 1993 photo by Khalid Hadi. Because Khalid Hadi was proven to be a liar, we cannot take his story about photographing Mulla Omar as truth.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 21:39, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Wow, you found an article that actually goes into depth about where that image came from. Can't even imagine how long it took searching through the internet to find it. I'm still not convinced however that the image is not depicting Mullah Omar, we know for a fact that he is missing his right eye. See , it's someone who doubted the authenticity of the portrait. Well, the image has now been deleted. I'll now have to consult with you whenever I wish to upload an image so as to not wind up in that damn back and forth jostle ever again. StanTheMan87 (talk) 06:33, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

An Afghan guy claiming he took photo of Mullah Omar is not proof. Afghans in general are corrupt and they exaggerate too much. The same goes for Pakistanis, Indians, Iranians and etc. Mullah Omar is not the only Afghan with a fucked up eye and long beard. There is another story that I watched on TV which tracked this man to a house in Kandahar and that man was pissed off saying Khalid Hadi took his photo and told the Americans he was Mullah Omar. This is why you can't trust Afghans.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 16:23, 7 September 2014 (UTC)