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It's time to make a stand against the arrogant and incompetent Wikimedia Foundation and its complete disregard for those of us who actually build this encyclopedia. Their salaries are paid on the back of our unpaid work, therefore in line with some others I've decided to withdraw my labour every Monday until things change. And if they don't, I'll be extending the length of my strike. I encourage everyone to join me.

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On the page Kashmir.

Monday strike?

Have I missed something or is this general dissatisfaction? As usual I'm MIA when the excitement happens. --regentspark (comment) 23:36, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

(watching) It was discussed on Eric's talk. (Only: I didn't edit for 4 days - for pleasant reasons - and don't think anybody noticed.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:42, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

I tried, but the discussion on Jimbo's page is way too long. I guess the comment about finding another hobby is what triggered the strike. As it should. Me, I prefer to take the position that I'm on Misplaced Pages for myself and don't really give a hoot what Jimbo or anyone else has to say about anything. If I don't like it here, I'll just go away. The harsh reality is that enough "indispensable" editors have walked away and - in the end - hardly anyone notices or cares. Didn't get your Carmen comment though. The happy ending? --regentspark (comment) 11:58, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Will explain later, RP. Got to go out. - Sitush (talk) 09:15, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

There has been a lot of general dis-satisfaction regarding the various recent significant software changes and, more specifically, the way in which they have been implemented. This came to a head with the shenanigans on the German Misplaced Pages at the tail end of the recent London Wikimania, when a less than diplomatic announcement of the new "superprotect" user right was followed by it being almost immediately deployed to prevent a javascript hack. That hack attempted to limitg the effects of MediaViewer and was broadly in accordance with consensus of a RfC held on that project. Roughly, this situation was similar to what happened here a few months ago with Visual Editor, when Erik Möller stepped in and we were teetering on a wheel-war situation. Erik's high-handedness - even if well-intentioned - seems to be a big part of the problem, to be honest, but ultimately this is a stand-off between the communities and the WMF regarding spheres of influence.

In addition to this, Jimbo has been increasingly causing problems all by himself. He has enunciated a campaign for "moral ambitiousness", declaring that certain people are "toxic" and commenting widely about content creators, who engage in something of which he has practically zero experience. He seems adamant that WP will continue to thrive without such people even though the evidence is to the contrary and he is developing a cult-ish fanclub of various hobbyhorse riders. Then, when he gets named in an ArbCom case, he suggests that ArbCom deal with it by speaking to him privately rather than through a public examination. He attempted a similar thing some months ago when Dennis Brown was unhappy and he has also suggested it as a remedy to me, as he backtracked slightly on his statement that I needed to act with "more honor".

One day a week will achieve little but it does limit withdrawal symptoms for those who are addicted, thus potentially increasing numbers. If that one day rises to two days and then three or whatever, the WMF is going to find itself in big trouble because there is only a small core group of people here who are protecting it against numerous legal challenges re: BLPs, copyright etc and they're not all going to be able to catch up on the crap that gets inserted during the "off" days. The first and best thing that WMF could do is simple: don't introduce half-cocked software that is "opt out" by default or not opt out-able at all. The first and best thing that Jimbo could do is shut up commenting about people. - Sitush (talk) 11:21, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

I also did not 'work' yesterday and have a sort of quasi-template on my talk page. I know Eric mentioned working in concert. Should we have a 'wikipedians' category (who are not wikipedians on Monday? ツ ) or a protest project page to sign? My talk page is not all that active, so my template may not be noticed by itself... All the best, Fylbecatulous talk 14:39, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

I think that I first mentioned "co-ordinated days off" at Village Pump on the day that the superprotect was used; someone else said something similar and then repeated it on Jimbo's talk page. That strategy would have more eye impact than people taking different days off but, either way, the result would be the same in the long run if the support was there. I know from experience that catching up on big watchlists etc takes time and there is only so much that bots can do.

Any category would be deleted as WP:POINT, as happened to the "Wikipedians who are not a Wikipedian" category (that itself originated with some crazy remark from Jimbo, IIRC: he really does need zip it because, like it or not, he is treated differently here.)

That "crazy remark" came from former arbitrator JClemens, who was commenting on an arbitration case at the time, incredibly. Eric Corbett 16:41, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, you are correct. I owe Jimbo an apology for that. - Sitush (talk) 16:46, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

That would be the "honorable" thing to do. ;-) Eric Corbett 16:51, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

I should clarify for RP that the specific instance of superprotection was removed at de-WP a couple of days ago but with the proviso that WMF "preferred version" stayed. The user right itself remains. - Sitush (talk) 15:27, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Sitush. Yes, I am still in that redlinked category, (not a Wikipedian); that even the very existence of the members being allowed to stay in a deleted category hung by the skin of its teeth. Fylbecatulous talk 18:53, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

On your user page

FYI. --NeilN 16:24, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 09:15, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Case Opened: Banning Policy

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Your edit summary at Cybernetics

Could you please expand a little on your edit comments at Cybernetics: Or Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine: "I'm not even sure that this section should exist, and I'm even more unsure whether this article asserts notability for its subject"?

As regards whether the Synopsis section should exist, it seems to me to fully accord with the suggested structure at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Books#Article_structure.

And is there any serious doubt about the notability of the subject - possibly the most influential technical book of the 20th century?

It would be more helpful if you were to make a slightly fuller statement on improving the article on its talk page, rather than just throwaway remarks in the edit summary. Thanks. DaveApter (talk) 10:45, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Someone has asserted notability now and I thanked them for doing so. They clearly saw what I meant; that you did not is unfortunate but perhaps unsurprising. - Sitush (talk) 10:53, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

And your doubts about whether the Synopsis section should exist? DaveApter (talk) 10:57, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Can't be arsed, sorry. Some of it was pov-y (I fixed a bit) and I'd rather see a source rather than an editorial but I'm well aware that the Books project has some odd ideas. - Sitush (talk) 11:01, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

{tpsing} The wikipedia page is a mish-mash, but the subject itself is one of the landmark science-math-tech books of the last century. Will see if I can add a bit to the article sometime this week to make that clearer. Abecedare (talk) 14:56, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!

Thanks for the guidance. 8XM (talk) 13:03, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Firozpur District

Revisiting this after seeing various edits, isn't it actually Firozepur? And the rest? I see GBooks gives more hits for "Firozepur city" than "Firozpur city" so I'm thinking I was wrong, although I thought I'd checked! Dougweller (talk) 08:16, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

I've removed the scripts there and at Firozpur pending some sort of consensus on the talk page - the recent warring and the inability of the likes of us to comprehend what is going on is precisely why WP:INDICSCRIPT came about. Although that guidance allows scripts for places, it does require reasoned explanation for the selection.

I've no idea regarding even the English spelling. A quick Google does seem to suggest Firozepur and I've also seen Ferozpur in the past. I think we're going to have to start a COMMONNAME discussion and since it will affect at least two articles, some centralised venue would seem to be better than having people put forward the same arguments in multiple places. Could this be done at WT:INB, with a note placed on the talk pages of both articles? - Sitush (talk) 09:57, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

I can't see why not. There's also Firozpur Cantonment‎. Dougweller (talk) 11:20, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

The only name for this article is Ferozepur Lindashiers (talk) 16:07, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

@Dougweller: I've opened a discussion at WT:INB. - Sitush (talk) 11:15, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Shiva

You might want to take a look at the editor who just moved this article, which I've reverted. Dougweller (talk) 16:15, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Ramachandra Guha

The Indian edition of the e-book no longer contains the source text. Its also been removed online from Google-books in response to various DMCA complaints. Lindashiers (talk) 08:13, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

That doesn't seem to be the case, I don't get a 404 when I click on it. Dougweller (talk) 11:14, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

As clearly mentioned here it seems users in the UK (??? ) can access an old version of the e-book which has been subsequently corrected by the author. The linked version viewable on Googlebooks UK is a pirated Indian edition (see the contents and copyright notice) which is not usable outside the Indian sub-continent. Ramachandra Guha has corrected his online e-book, which is Indian edition, and the pages / content on which the article content is based have been deleted from GoogleBooks in India. Obviously the article content should reflect the updated opinions of the source. If you insist I can email a PDF of the Google 404 page with broken robot to OTRS. The official website for Ramachandra Guha's publisher is , whence all will be clear, so please only link to the Indian URL of Google Books for this source. Lindashiers (talk) 15:45, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Background reading

I came across the sunspot theory of social unrest back in 1986- I told a lecturer about it, as at the time there was a high point in the sunspot cycle- shortly after there was the Tiananmen Square massacre, and the lecturer jokingly praised me for "predicting" it. Anyone who takes it seriously and claims to predict significant social events through studying it is just a modern-day version of a priest studying entrails, and is not to be taken seriously on any subject whatsoever- they are (as Vonnegut says) a cuckoo clock with some of the gear teeth willfully broken off- perfect time most of the time, "cuckoo" at random times. I presume if you're banned from posting on someone's talk page, that means the someone don't read your page? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 09:06, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't presume that. CMDC is obsessed with an anti-male agenda, here and off-wiki. What I do not understand is how she gets away with it, especially the repeated canvassing and point-y asides. The sooner she is site-banned, the better for everyone (including those who really do have gender gap as their concern). She only gets involved in "right-on" topics, such as guns, Palestine and gender gap, and has little interest in improving this place. She is far from being a new user but is adept at pretending that she is or else incredibly stupid (which I doubt). - Sitush (talk) 10:55, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Based on the forecast for the sunspot cycle, I predict she'll go quiet in 2020. Do you remember the days when people with unusual ideas used to write them down on scraps of paper and stick them on their windows? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 11:34, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Ha! I used to write on the window itself. Back in the days before central heating, when the insides were frosted up each morning. I have more trouble getting out of bed now than I did then. - Sitush (talk) 14:32, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Kapus

Greetings. I came across this nightmare recently; I know little of these issues, so was wondering whether you could take a gander at it when you have the time. If not, I completely understand. Cheers, Vanamonde93 (talk) 20:14, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: - done. - Sitush (talk) 11:14, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks friend. Vanamonde93 (talk) 15:52, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Category Question

Question about the category Category:African-American television and Category:Hispanic and Latino American media. Is it suitable to place the TV show Orange Is the New Black under those two category since the cast members and characters are a diverse ethnic mix Venustar84 (talk) 00:46, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Venustar84, Sitush doesn't live in America, so I don't if he would watch the show even if he has Netflix. As there are no instructions on the category pages, it is hard to know what should and shouldn't be there. Category:American LGBT-related television programs and Category:Transgender-related television programs are already categories attached with the article. As the cast is heavily Hispanic and Black, I would say the categories are suitable. I also think it is one of the best television shows currently running. Bgwhite (talk) 09:56, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

An SPI

You talked to one of these users, I have started an SPI, see if you want to add anything: Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/GhanaDa Tito☸Dutta 12:23, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Kautilya3 and ReddyUday are self admitted socks. See Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Reddyuday Bladesmulti (talk) 06:09, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

I just found a new sock of Buddhakahika, see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Buddhakahika. Bladesmulti (talk) 06:46, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Nadar (caste) ‎' SPA

Mayan302 gets on every day, but only for checking Nadar (caste). What should be done? It is far clear that he don't fix things himself and he removes the content that is out of his reach. Bladesmulti (talk) 06:11, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

@Bladesmulti: I've had concerns about them for a long time but I tend to get stonewalled on that article. I'll take another look at it. - Sitush (talk) 11:13, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes I will need admin help, someone should warn him. Bladesmulti (talk) 14:06, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

There is nothing in itself wrong with being a single-purpose account. Where it tends to become troublesome is when they try to own the article and, in particular, when they try to own the article in a manner that is inconsistent with policies such as WP:NPOV. If I remember correctly, they treated Hardgrave as something of a bible. There is no doubt that Hardgrave's study is/was by far the most comprehensive but that does not mean it is the only source worth considering etc, especially given that it was written 50 years or so ago. - Sitush (talk) 14:32, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Monday strike

Good idea. Why not create a sub page or Misplaced Pages page WP:Monday strike wit it? --Tito☸Dutta 06:40, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Please review this deletion on Narayana Guru

You reverted to your revision on Narayana Guru undoing ~6 editors and ~20 edits done over ~30 days. I see that you have re-inserted one of the two content addition I had done. Is this content and reference (from academic book published by Oxford Univ. Press) not to be retained? Particularly when that article is in need of reliable sources! Thanks. --AmritasyaPutra✍ 14:04, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

If you can find a way to do it without breaching WP:NPOV then of course it can be retained. I was just about to try to find a copy of the book. What you cannot do is state as fact something that is disputed by reliable sources, and that is what had been done. - Sitush (talk) 14:23, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Oh, and you need to abide by WP:CITEVAR also. - Sitush (talk) 14:25, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

That book is secondary reliable source from academic publication. Can you please provide the reliable source it contradicts? I will abide by WP:CITEVAR. Thanks. --AmritasyaPutra✍ 18:29, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

This discussion belongs in the thread I opened at the article talk page. As far as d.o.b. is concerned, there is already a reliable source that contradicts it, specifically pointing out that the suggested dates vary. - Sitush (talk) 18:31, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

The edit made no changes to d.o.b. I will respond to the other concern raised on the talk page. Regards. --AmritasyaPutra✍ 00:36, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

discussion of changes at Rana Muhammad Iqbal Khan

hello, i got your reasoning but are you sure it has to be this way. you rightly said pakistan is not a monarchy, look at this Raja Pervaiz Ashraf former prime minister of pakistan. in what capacity raja is there with his name according to your viewpoint! isn't that some names are so commonly used that they have to be use in same order. as written in wikipedia honorofic policy. for example. name Mother treasa. is she really our mother?

So mayube go fix the Raja Pervaiz Ashraf article. The Mother Theresa one is a well-documented exception to the rule. - Sitush (talk) 19:42, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

sitush i just saw reasoning u gave at Rana Muhammad Iqbal Khan, pakistan is not a monarchy, so obviously the person rana muhammad iqbal khan is not a monarch, he is using title in inheriting capacity. look at the official website of the punjab assembly where he holds position. http://www.pap.gov.pk/index.php/speakers/spkr_profile/en. sitush i think u need to be radical with pakistani culture, people don't essentially use names in same capacity you are talking about. The Pakistan (talk) 06:42, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

a request

hi sitush sir please is you can help to remove bhumihars are offspring of rajput men and brahmin women in bhumihar article .we know that this is wrong we have no connection with rajputs.its OK we are a caste or community we claims to be brahmin. but if we are not brahmin it is still OK .but please sir i have a hope that you will help to delete those edits about bhumihar is offspring of rajput men and brahmin women .please help its a request. for god for god for deity please help we are not offspring we have separate identity and claims to brahmin unsussecfully — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sorrow of bhumihar (talk • contribs) 04:26, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

It is just a story, believe it or not, it is your choice. Bladesmulti (talk) 04:55, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

@Sorrow of bhumihar: I'd be happy to remove it if the source is unreliable. I'd also be happy to see the statement qualified with something like "the community have since abandoned that particular claim" if we can find a source that says so. - Sitush (talk) 08:18, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

hey sitush i have given you many books and citation but you have not went through even a single one. you are totally biases and prejudiced. you have no job other that propagating false propaganda. Even the ashwni kumar has told it a tale which cannot be considered as evidence or fact and wikipedia is not a place to write a fairy tale when history of a community is to be written. Write some fact about community. I can also make some tale about your birth, will you consider as truth. what do you want to prove by posting that statement. If you have guts then publish the same statement in any newspaper of local language and get it worldwide accepted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bpandey89 (talk • contribs) 19:43, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Please see my reply to the first post above. - Sitush (talk) 19:47, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Martial races of undivided India By Vidya Prakash Tyagi http://books.google.co.in/books?id=vRwS6FmS2g0C&pg=PA266&dq=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&hl=en&sa=X&ei=x54UVLvYGcaTuATng4HgBw&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=bhumihar%20brahmin%20origin%20by%20historians&f=false

Rulers, Townsmen and Bazaars: North Indian Society in the Age of British

By C. A. Bayly

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=xfo3AAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&hl=en&sa=X&ei=x54UVLvYGcaTuATng4HgBw&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=bhumihar&f=false The Limited Raj: Agrarian Relations in Colonial India, Saran District, 1793-1920

By Anand A. Yang http://books.google.co.in/books?id=Ck4jmD7H34UC&pg=PA59&dq=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&hl=en&sa=X&ei=x54UVLvYGcaTuATng4HgBw&ved=0CDoQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=bhumihar%20brahmin%20origin%20by%20historians&f=false

Man in India, Volumes 54-55 by Sarat Chandra Roy (Ral Bahadur) http://books.google.co.in/books?id=CGMqAQAAIAAJ&q=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&dq=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&hl=en&sa=X&ei=x54UVLvYGcaTuATng4HgBw&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBw Bazaar India: Markets, Society, and the Colonial State in Gangetic Bihar

By Anand A. Yang http://books.google.co.in/books?id=D5lQutvzAp4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&hl=en&sa=X&ei=x54UVLvYGcaTuATng4HgBw&ved=0CFAQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=bhumihar%20&f=false

Caste: The Colonial Theories by Braja Bihārī Kumāra http://books.google.co.in/books?id=voe3AAAAIAAJ&q=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&dq=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&hl=en&sa=X&ei=x54UVLvYGcaTuATng4HgBw&ved=0CFYQ6AEwCQ Evolution and Spatial Organization of Clan Settlements: A Case Study By Saiyad Hasan Ansar http://books.google.co.in/books?id=dxDWbsztdVQC&pg=PA100&lpg=PA100&dq=Evolution+and+Spatial+Organization+of+Clan+Settlements:+A+Case+Study+of+...++By+Saiyad+Hasan+Ansari&source=bl&ots=Z2K627D9Qw&sig=p0YFJjE2ASP6v09wVCn3DY6riRo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tKMUVOqGKonjuQShw4DoAw&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Evolution%20and%20Spatial%20Organization%20of%20Clan%20Settlements%3A%20A%20Case%20Study%20of%20...%20%20By%20Saiyad%20Hasan%20Ansari&f=false senari massacre http://www.pucl.org/reports/Bihar/2001/jehanabad.htm What ever the book I have mentioned earlier are the books found on the first page of google search. All the authors are credible. None of these books have mentioned relation of bhumihar with rajput. It is a total bias to write a tale and false propaganda of ashwani kumar. You can find a lot about the plight of dalit in his(aswani kumar), book but hardly about the plight of Bhumihar Brahmin/Babhan. He has not mentioned Senari massacre in which mcc and dalit led army beheaded bhumihar/babhan cruelly and like Islamic state terrorist organisation. If anyone is writing Misplaced Pages he should write all the issues not merely some defamatory and derogatory issues. So sitush if you are keen to write about babhan then you should consider all the aspect and write something holistic not merely defamatory tales. Read it sitush before giving any reply. I feel you are too hasty in reply. SO please go through all the books one by one and mention the things regarding bhumihar rather than spreading fake propaganda and fake stories which are base less and mocking. There is a story in ancient times that coal was burning on sun and that was the reason behind the tremendous energy. Why not you write it on the sun wikipedia. If you want any citation regarding this i will give you. Be sensible man. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bpandey89 (talk • contribs) 20:26, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

I've already responded to you on the article talk page, some days ago. That is where this stuff should be, although I rather think that you are now repeating yourself. Please see Talk:Bhumihar#Response_to_a_comment_about_sources_on_my_user_page. - Sitush (talk) 20:37, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Yang and bayly have not written any fictions stories and defamatory stories so you should write those things. Some more books i have mentioned above but you simply posted the disappointing answer. What ever i have told earlier is correct you do and judge things hastily whthout looking into matter. I feel you are totally preoccupied of spreading fake and fabricated rumour about community which has come out of sheer jealousy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bpandey89 (talk • contribs) 05:03, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Caste articles

I wouldn't be surprised if you ever got sick of reverting and cleaning up these society related articles and lists.

Although the quality of these articles seems to be better than it used to be before, you ever collected the list of these articles? I have got some time now so I will probably check all of them again. As we know that both of us never had a disagreement with the edits.

Also I wanted to ask that how many articles you have on your watchlist? Bladesmulti (talk) 06:26, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

The list would be huge and I've never bothered trying to compile it from the various applicable categories. However, more often than not, I watchlist when I go to a caste-related article for the first time. I've currently got around 2200 articles and other pages on my watchlist. - Sitush (talk) 08:17, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	for your work on caste & ethnicity related articles The Pakistan (talk) 15:48, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

JSTOR customer support

Hey Sitush, just talked to our JSTOR contact, she apologizes for the delay. She has limited ability to check into your account problems, and asks that you leave a note here: http://www.jstor.org/action/showContactSupportForm The "topic" should be "MyJSTOR" and you can put "Misplaced Pages Library" as the institution. Hopefully they can get things fixed ASAP. The Interior (Talk) 21:48, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

PS - drop that you are part of the Misplaced Pages pilot in the message body, and it will expedite things :) The Interior (Talk) 21:52, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

@The Interior: done that. Thanks for your help. - Sitush (talk) 10:33, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Repeated Edit warring on India related pages

Your actions of :-

repeatedly concocting spurious sources for India related articles,
threatening other editors,
calling editors as SOCKS without any basis whatsoever to prejudice other editors,
Off-Wiki tag-teaming with a network of Editors/Admins from the UK to disrupt India related articles,
refusing to name the alleged sock accounts when asked to do so,
trolling,
serial copy-vio,
Adding political associations upon non-political persons in article space, etc.

causes me to remind you, on your talk page, about discretionary sanctions for India related articles (which are, however, yet another device devised by the North to retain content control over the encyclopedia, as such processes can be easily manipulated through cabals / cartels etc of compromised Misplaced Pages Administrators).

If you have content issues with sourced text I insert or delete and we are unable to arrive at consensus, the way forward is to avail a Dispute Resolution process instead of issuing such threats to chill the process. You have never availed it. You have ignored that WP:BRD is a guideline which attempts to clarify other Misplaced Pages policies which are ultimately derived from Wikimedia Foundation site usage terms and conditions. You have repeatedly inserted and re-inserted back factually incorrect text about Mr. Anna Hazare (a living person) and refused to provide sources when specifically called upon to do so.

There is a copyright dispute over the text inserted by you at India Against Corruption. I'll only contribute to that on the relevant Notice board / public pages as part of a formal Misplaced Pages process. The string of denials, lies and admissions you have made over this highly controversial copyrighted content (solely inserted by you) has resulted in a series of high-profile attacks on the article and disruption to the project. These evidence that you are an undesirable POV pusher on India related subjects who deserves to be site banned. Hence this warning.

Finally, on the issue of draft edits. As you have reluctantly and belatedly admitted that the copy-vio was inserted by you, it is incumbent on you to create draft alternate text on the temporary page linked in the COPYVIO notice. ie, if you desire that text be retained.

The Misplaced Pages community has permitted administrators to impose discretionary sanctions on any editor who is active on any page about social groups, explicitly including caste associations and political parties, related to India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal. Discretionary sanctions can be used against an editor who repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process. If you engage in further inappropriate behavior in this area, you may be placed under sanctions, which can include blocks, a revert limitation, or an article ban. The discussion leading to the imposition of these sanctions can be read here.

Please familiarise yourself with the information page at Misplaced Pages:General sanctions/South Asian social groups.

Lindashiers (talk) 01:13, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

@Lindashiers: "Any editor who issues alerts disruptively may be sanctioned." This looks like it fits the definition. --NeilN 01:56, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

SITUSH (wrongly) accused me of being a clone of "Zuggernaut" and "Socking" on the talk page of a highly controversial India-related article on which he admittedly added copy-vio text which I had previously reported. Sitush's entire actions after that emanate from that I established that he copy-vioed highly controversial text which disparages Mr. Anna Hazare (an eminent saintly person in India) and resulted in numerous long-running sock/meatpuppet attacks from Mr. Hazare's organisation against the specific article content/section which is the subject of the copy-vio. Accordingly, I firmly believe that Sitush is a disruptive editor at Misplaced Pages, hence the notice. The vast majority of Sitush's edits being on India related topics, and as he has else written that he has no firsthand knowledge of India, hence, per me, he is also incompetent to edit India related articles on such a scale, requiring such a notice for disruptive edits. PS: surely Sitush is old enough to speak for himself, or is he a minor/child that you must do so ? Lindashiers (talk) 02:13, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

FYI: Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#India_Against_Corruption_yet_again --NeilN 02:35, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Sitush work is sometimes good, he often removes poorly cited material but he is also likely to remove good cited material of articles of india and pakistan, i have noticed this. The Pakistan (talk) 02:50, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

"...but he is also likely to remove good cited material..." Diffs please? --NeilN 02:59, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

was reverted because these additional reliable news sources contradict Sitush's previous POV edits and hacking of this article. Lindashiers (talk) 03:37, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

this is where I showed that Sitush tampered with the original source to POV push. Lindashiers (talk) 03:40, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

But I didn't ask for diffs of you following in the tracks of many other disruptive editors --NeilN 04:13, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

- Both these diffs above are my original work. Am not following anybody's tracks here.Lindashiers (talk) 04:48, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Then please check this track/diff (of a sample disruptive Sitush revert) to understand how Sitush regularly POV pushes and chills all dialog which he doesn't like with "disruptive editors" (in this including 2 Admins). Lindashiers (talk) 04:31, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

I do not think your diffs show what you think they show... --NeilN 04:38, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, what do you think I think they show ? Now here is a news story of 2013 in 'The Hindu' which Sitush insists on keeping/citing. Now here is a later story of 2014 in the same national newspaper which overturns Sitush's POV , Sitush deletes it repeatedly. Surely as a "retraction" to previously published news the 2014 news report is more credible (as per Misplaced Pages's own policies on reliable news sources). Lindashiers (talk) 04:41, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

No, that's very misleading. The 2014 story added a clarification to the 2014 story by adding another viewpoint. It did not retract the 2013 story. --NeilN 04:51, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Not at all. The previous article version is also available on mirror sites. 'The Hindu' deleted its published statement about Anna Hazare & IAC, and added the "clarification" by Sarbajit Roy (who incidentally the Hindu apparently acknowledges to be the National Convenor of the IAC). In any case, it is clear that there is some sort of content dispute for the article's text for which contradictory published sources exist. PS: Now why do you increasingly come off as an alter-ego of Sitush ?Lindashiers (talk) 04:59, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Still no retraction of 2013 story. And you'll find that attacking productive editors as you have done will get a response from other Wikipedians. --NeilN 05:07, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Don't be weaselly, its a retraction of the 2014 story. Here is the exact text which was deleted from the "previous version" of the (2014) story "Asked whether he has distanced himself from anti-corruption crusader Anna Hazare, Gen. Singh, who was in the forefront of the India Against Corruption, said he still supported the cause." Lindashiers (talk) 05:13, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Spurious text concerning Mr. Anna Hazare (living person), Indian

As the editor who inserted the following text in article India Against Corruption kindly review the text mentioned below for complete compliance with all Misplaced Pages and WMF policies applicable. Thanks.

"Historian and commentator Ramachandra Guha has questioned the image that has been portrayed of IAC and of Hazare. Acknowledging that Hazare had previously been successful in campaigns for infrastructure reforms at the local level in his native Maharashtra and that the IAC campaign of 2011 had an impact, Guha doubts the claims that the 2011 and 2012 protests overwhelmingly engaged the masses. He notes that liberals were concerned with a perceived anti-democratic rhetoric while socially oppressed communities, such as the dalits and Other Backward Classes, were worried that the Hindu-led movement would undermine the gains they have made through legislative reforms, such as those resulting from the Mandal Commission. He considers that the attention given to the protest by 24-hour news channels and internet resources has masked the realities, such as that popular participation at the Jantar Mantar and Ramlila Maidan protests in Delhi was a fraction of that evidenced in Kolkata in 1998 when 400,000 marched in an anti-nuclear movement. IAC and Hazare in particular piggy-backed on and gained from discontent surrounding some coincident corruption scandals involving the government. These scandals, such as the 2G spectrum scam, were high-profile examples of the corruption that is claimed to be endemic in Indian society at all levels but Guha believes the IAC solution — the Lokpal — was a "simplistic" reaction." Lindashiers (talk) 02:24, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Spurious text concerning Indian social group India Against Corruption

As the contributing editor, kindly provide a reliable source for the following exceptional claim made on an India related article page, which has resulted in heavy disruption to Misplaced Pages caused by your inserted content. Thanks.

"The popular movement is distinct from a pressure group campaigning for Right to Information that bears the same name." Lindashiers (talk) 02:29, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Since its now increasingly apparent that User NeilN is fronting for Sitush, I am confining myself to this statement /section, as it seems this is the nub of the dispute. I'm also taking a break. Lindashiers (talk) 05:18, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Please provide evidence for your charge of "fronting" and be specific about what you claim Is improper about NeilN's behavior here, as it is not at all unusual for one Misplaced Pages editor to speak in defense of another editor who is under attack. Especially if the attacked editor is "taking a break". Cullen Let's discuss it 05:45, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm also off taking a break. Whatever I have to say about the "usual" practices of some Misplaced Pages cabals is already being said publicly outside . I came here to report a copyvio, now you bureaucrats should deal with it. Lindashiers (talk) 05:58, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

And while Sitush is on break, please see if you can find a reliable source for the statement I have highlighted. Is Misplaced Pages about "content" or about "politics", "personalities" and "divas" ? Lindashiers (talk) 06:05, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

I am not a bureaucrat, which is a specific advanced user right here on Misplaced Pages. I also do not edit or research upon the demand of other editors, as I am a volunteer who works on precisely what I choose to work on, and no more. Please do your own research. Cullen Let's discuss it 06:33, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Your edits on Kerala iyer page

If you could explain why you have deleted so many things from that page. There are many things like local history, proverbs which have been passed over generations as a word of mouth. Be it about a group of people and other small details which only locals would know. You cannot ask for citations for such things. If you want I will provide. Revert to my version. Do you really think your version provides any detail to the reader ? Ganesh.Iyer.1008 (talk) 11:20, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Alas, we cannot use oral history on Misplaced Pages. Please see WP:V. - Sitush (talk) 11:34, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Caste sysem in India

Dear Sitush, Thanks a lot for bringing some order to the Praveen Togadia page. If and when you get a chance, I could use your input in this issue Talk:Caste_system_in_India#The_word_.22postmodern.22. Kautilya3 (talk) 16:08, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

I've been watching it. I might add a comment but can tell you now that I hate the word "postmodern". - Sitush (talk) 16:40, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Same. Bladesmulti (talk) 16:50, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Doubt

What does the page say Sitush? Just let me know that. I dont trust this guy.Mayan302 (talk) 17:37, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

NOT HERE. I've got my own problems right now and, really, I've got far more reason to distrust the person causing me problems than you have to distrust Bladesmulti. I'll get round to typing it out for you but I'm in the middle of sorting out what appears to be a pretty serious attempt to smear me on Misplaced Pages. - Sitush (talk) 17:40, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Don't worry. I gave him a better online source for the book on the Nadar talk page. Kautilya3 (talk) 17:48, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Sorry Sitush.Mayan302 (talk) 18:00, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

No problem. It looks like my (very weird) situation is likely to be resolved soon. I'll try tomorrow to sort out the issue that you raise. - Sitush (talk) 00:45, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Sure. Take your own time.Mayan302 (talk) 05:57, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sitush. If you are free, could you please quote the contents of the book he mentioned. He just removed the clarification tag I placed this morning.The line still makes no sense.Mayan302 (talk) 17:11, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Copyvio

I don't see it at all, and wouldn't waste time onnthe close paraphrasing. But if you want to get a definitive opinion, leave a message with User:Moonriddengirl. DeCausa (talk) 19:02, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

@DeCausa: Thanks. BeareanHunter has pinged MRG via the ANI thread. I want some sort of consensus on the talk page, pronto, so that we can remove the template that is blanking some of the stuff. While it is there, we're effectively being censored by the meatpuppets. - Sitush (talk) 19:05, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

rename page.

I haven't a clue what List of village in vaishali(block) should be renamed to or if it should even be around. Could you take a look. I have to thank you and your wonderful talk page. I can now throw Hindi insults now. Except the insult started wrong. I would start out the insult with meri saas. Hope I said that right, probably said I was a chicken Bgwhite (talk) 05:41, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

We would move it to List of towns and villages in Vaishali district which would be about the whole Vaishali district and not just the small block within this district. Well, our article on the district claims that there are 16 such blocks in it. If the list would grow to include all those, it might again need a split. Also, the current list doesn't really seems much informational. Long back I have modeled one such article List of towns and villages in Thane district. Check that.
(meri saas means "my mother-in-law", or "my breath".) §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 07:44, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

List of Rajputs

Hey, what are you saying. on what basis can you say that This One is our mirror image? i mean look at the content and website before asserting anything. secondly, On This One, I am a barrister, i know the interpretation of self-identification. don't undo without consensus on such issues. what makes you think its not self-identification? whats the difference between a non-self identification and self-identification. In the former type source just mentions the ancestry and in later type source explicitly says that "He says such & such". source is not saying he has Rajput ancestry, source is saying, "he frequently calls upon his Rajput heritage". so it obviously implicates a self-identification. please don't ever undo things like that. i must listen a genuine argument from you otherwise i would undo your self-asserted judgement and interpretation for sure. moreover, i would appreciate to involve many people in discussion over this. Barrister at Law (talk) 20:48, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

See User:Sitush/Common#Castelists for starters. Also, OnePakistan is known to plagiarise our content, as do many Pakistani websites. The WWE thing does not show self-identification - it is PR blurb by an organisation that is known for hyperbole. - Sitush (talk) 20:16, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Atleast provide some evidence of your both arguments. firstly you are alleging OnePakistan without demonstrating. moreover, i didn't mention any pakistani website. go read at the end This One is registered in England and wales. Secondly, i have already seen this Castelist. why are you passing self-contradictory arguments, first you are saying WWE does not show self-identification. which i have shown you above that it is showing it. second, if you are really concerned with your argument of WWE self-identification then why and upon what basis you are saying that its hyperbole. do rational arguments based on evidences. Barrister at Law (talk) 20:48, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

i am telling you that it is a self-identification. How can you establish a universal truth for WWE? how can you say WWE doesn't show self-identification when i have already explained that it is doing so Barrister at Law (talk) 20:56, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

If you really think that WWE is reliable for a statement about caste in a biography of a living person then I think you need to take it to our reliable sources noticeboard and see if you can get consensus from the wider Misplaced Pages community. I'm not comfortable with it, for the reasons stated previously; others with experience may disagree. Or maybe the noticeboard for BLPs would be better.

I thought you were referring to the OnePakistan website, which is probably fine for news but definitely has plagiarised non-news items from us in the past. As I said, this is incredibly common. Regarding Emel, that looks like a magazine website with a strong religious slant. I'll have to check the item again but, aside from looking like it took stuff from us, I think that was the one that was degrading the Indian opposition with things like "those cowardly Indian curs" etc, which would ring alarm bells for any experienced contributor here. The Pakistan Army website usually gives caste/tribe details when they are known: have you tried there? - Sitush (talk) 20:56, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

who told you that Khudadad Khan was in Pakistan Army? he was in British India Army, clearly you are doing things without a deep loo over them. your allegations on www.emel.com has nothing to do with content of khudadad khan....+ your allegations also have no real meanings. and yes i would make sure about WWE before undoing your edit Barrister at Law (talk) 21:15, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

You didn't say what/who you were referring to and I've got better things to do with my time than try to figure out cryptic remarks. I've responded to your queries as best I could with the information that you gave me. I'm well aware that Khan was in the BIA; in fact, at one point I think I changed his article to reflect his birthplace as being in British India rather than something more modern (Pakistan, A & J etc). I don't mind helping people out but I'm not reacting very well to aggressive people right now, so the more information you give and the less confrontational you are, the better the outcome will be. - Sitush (talk) 21:19, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

How about you just list the names that you are concerned about here? I'll look at them again tomorrow and work out what it is that you are upset about. - Sitush (talk) 21:26, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Hey Thanks for Talk:List of Rajputs

Hey Thanks for new discussion at Talk:List of Rajputs. Rajput334 00:46, 14 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajput334 (talk • contribs)

No problem. I'm not in a great place personally at the moment and am probably coming across as even more "harsh" than I normally do. Usually, the answer is to walk away from this place for a bit but a part of my problem is that Misplaced Pages is actually a pretty good distraction for me while I work through real-life stuff. This is all my fault and I'm running a big risk by hanging around. That said, I am a quite reasonable person and if I mess things up (as I do!) then I'll apologise etc for doing so. Right now, I'm off to bed and then I've got a hospital visit in a few hours' time. Obviously, you should feel free to move forward with the discussion that I started and, I hope, you can accept my apologies for any knee-jerkedness that has been apparent. - Sitush (talk) 01:14, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Its okay brother, we'll settle it with consensus. have sweet dreams :) Rajput334 01:24, 14 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajput334 (talk • contribs)

Your edits on articles related to India Against Corruption etc.

Sir,

I have registered the informational international domain name "India Against Corruption" in Germany. This can be confirmed from the WHOIS. As such I am interested in the article India Against Corruption and its effect on my affairs.

I am also the Intellectual Property Agent with "Name Defend - Institut für Geistiges Eigentum" with offices in India and Germany and business throughout the world. My Misplaced Pages "User Name" has been carefully chosen to conform to Misplaced Pages's policy on user names.

I have noted that your edits, both in the long term and those of today, are incorrect, slanted, biased, false and demean persons and organisations connected to India Against Corruption.

I observe that your recent edits to these families of India related articles are done without "consensus". I shall be reverting them all to a stable restore point. As my account does not have necessary permissions as yet, kindly wait till my account is 4 days old and has 10 edits, so that we can discuss these matters and arrive at consensus.

I encourage you to email me to confirm our respective bonafides.

BRUENTRUP AT NAME DEFEND http://www.indiaagainstcorruption.info email: claus DOT bruentrup AT gmail DOT com

Name Defend IPA (talk) 13:37, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

It's funny that you say your username was carefully chosen to comply with the username policy, because it doesn't. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:07, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Away again

Monday has come round and I'm off again. Should I do anything related to Misplaced Pages, it probably will involve an analysis of this. - Sitush (talk) 23:26, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

WP:Harassment policy

Misplaced Pages:Harassment#Posting_of_personal_information:

The fact that a person either has posted personal information or edits under their own name, making them easily identifiable through online searches, is not an excuse for "opposition research". Dredging up their off line opinions to be used to repeatedly challenge their edits can be a form of harassment, just as doing so regarding their past edits on other Misplaced Pages articles may be. However, if individuals have identified themselves without redacting or having it oversighted, such information can be used for discussions of conflict of interest (COI) in appropriate forums. If redacted or oversighted personally identifying material is important to the COI discussion, then it should be emailed privately to an administrator or arbitrator – but not repeated on Misplaced Pages: it will be sufficient to say that the editor in question has a COI and the information has been emailed to the appropriate administrative authority. Issues involving private personal information (of anyone) could also be referred by email to a member of the functionaries team.

Please stop violating this policy regarding me. Thanks. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 02:45, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You don't want Sitush to read and think about the ideas expressed in your blog? You might want to make it clear that you're not the Carol Moore from the Atheist Law Centre though- that person had a connection with Larry Darby. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 08:18, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Carolmooredc, I don't see the violation. Either bring it up on the proper forum and ask for oversight, or leave it be. Drmies (talk) 14:24, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Sitush links to my website above. As a continuation of my self-made "official" warning (since I don't see a talk page template for harassment), note that Sitush has been following me to various noticeboards and a few article talk pages to cast aspersions for more than a year and repeatedly posted at my talk page after I banned him. In a recent ANI someone else brought on Wikihounding of me he emphasized I'd linked to my (now severely outdated) website way back in 2007-8 , urged people to "do some research" on me, and even wrote: "I might have to start following her around more often myself if these proposals go through because someone has to keep an eye on her.". If Sitush thinks there's a WP:COI, he should join the other two who went to WP:COIN. I will take your advice and take it to WP:ANI if he keeps following me around, casting aspersions, confusing WP:COIN with WP:POV, etc. Unless someone else takes it to ANI first, of course. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 16:44, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

repeatedly posted at my talk page after I banned him. is your typical misrepresentative rewriting of history, Carol. Please also include the diffs where I apologised for forgetting the ban that you had imposed. I don't look at your talk page often, so it is easily done and I even suggested a remedy at ANI (and you can still do that for me - I don't mind you sticking my name in lights if it makes things more comfortable for you).

I haven't followed you anywhere on WP. I know you have expressed concerns about imminent nuclear armageddon etc but please can you try not to be so paranoid about little old me? Some pages - Jimbo's, ANI, ArbCom etc - have long been on my watchlist; some others - your talk included - never have been, IIRC, and deliberately so. You do your own thing most of the time and I've had better things to do with my time than keep track of your antics. Occasionally, you pop up on a watchlisted article or I happen to see something on another talk page and follow the link, as with GGTF. That is not hounding and you've also really got to drop this attitude of assuming that anyone who disagrees with you about anything is automatically a hounder etc.

The website link is because I'm looking at reviving the BLP for you now that some additional sources (including in books) have emerged, eg: mentions about your Waco conspiracy theory and your sunspot theory for cycles of anti-government activities etc. I'm still trying to read through them and assess which ones are reliable and which ones are not; we'll just have to see how much comes out of that process. At least one member of ArbCom is aware that I am looking into the possibilities of sourcing such a revived BLP. There are several messages from you on the web where you mention that the previous BLP was deleted and say, seemingly ruefully, that you'll have to "wait to be more famous. Maybe now you are more notable, although not remotely famous.

What is already obvious to me from reading the thousands of hits on GSearch is that you've got a lot of people who have problems with you in the real world, allegedly because of exactly the same sort of behaviour that you are prone to adopt here: trying to drown out others, an insistence on leading, a tendency to throw around heaps of paranoid criticism when you feel slighted, causing people to get so upset that they leave the activist group that you've taken over etc. As someone in your own political group, who later stood for Congress, said "Carol has displayed an amazing ability to alienate people, even those who would want to agree with her, with her sharp and incessant criticism. does have the professional experience to do a good job ... Yet she has said very little about this during her campaign, instead choosing to define herself by whom she opposes and what she is against. Furthermore, her style makes it clear that her interpretation of our Principles is the only valid one in her mind. This style means that the more she opens her mouth, the more she loses votes." Obviously, a lot of the possible sources cannot be used - blogs that call you a nutjob, for example - but some things will be ok, like those that praise the Waco book or your "anti-Israel" position, and what appear to be your own writings where you admit to defrauding the IRS by using false names. It will, of course, be neutral and reliably sourced; if it happens to indicate that you have substantial conflicts of interest then that will be just because you have. But any substantive complaint about COI that might be made by me would go to by email the Arbs, not COIN, because there really would be outing issues. Suffice to say that you have described yourself, among other things, as a "full-time activist" who has been involved in "radical feminis", "libertarianism" etc - any full-time activist is bound to have COI issues here but it wouldn't make you any less suitable as a BLP subject. And if you'd like me to provide support for what I've said above then by all means I will do so via the Arbs and they can pass them to you if they deem fit. - Sitush (talk) 21:10, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

First, the business about false names is untrue and libelous and remove it immediately.

Using the excuse that you are going to create a defacto "attack page" bio on me - to excuse your obvious malicious views of me which can be illustrated with diffs galore - is quite transparent. I'm still just another (pretty much retired since 2007 with a lot of profiles that need updating) activist and I doubt my bio would survive a third AfD, even if you could find a bunch more RS than I had in the last one. So just stop the harassment. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 22:36, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

You are posting stuff from off Misplaced Pages for reasons that do not appear clear.... Not cool. Not cool at all. If that is OK with the goose....the gander will do the same and then where will that leave us?--Mark Miller (talk) 22:49, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

I am beginning to think Jimbo did not need to apologize to you.--Mark Miller (talk) 22:51, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Thinking isn't really one of Jimbo's strong suits though. Reacting in a self-interested way to whatever is the issue of the day and then promptly forgetting about it is more his style. For instance, what has he done about "doubling down" on this alleged gender gap problem, apart from his usual nothing? Eric Corbett 23:21, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

MM, I'm not the one lacking "honor" here. That is the person who has been doing the rabble-rousing for years and editing articles where she has massive conflicts of interest. CMDC, see this. Now, sure, that one might be a fake & I'd apologise if it was but I can provide lots of supporting evidence to explain why it seems not to be. I take no pleasure in doing this and I had no intention of writing an "attack bio" - that would seem to be your paranoia all over again. The quicker you drop your own attack mode, the less references to external websites I'll need to provide because, honestly, I'd rather just write a neutral BLP and not have all this rubbish flying around. I only bring up the link in this message because you claim I'm wrong. Right now, I'd say it may still be borderline whether you are notable or not but there are certainly more sources than there were at the last AfD. - Sitush (talk) 23:47, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Obviously at this diff you are referring to a story I wrote at an advocacy site about a 1970s incident where I write: I snapped and became convinced the IRS was about to grab my meager possessions. I moved my valuables into a spare room fixed up as my “roommate’s” room to “fool” the IRS! Luckily, I soon ran into someone who had had many tangles with the IRS. He reassured me the IRS first had to put a lien on my assets and that for a $2,000 debt they don’t take your stereo and second hand coat or put you in prison. This has nothing to do with giving the IRS a false name, it was just a panicky move I made one day until reassured and had nothing to do with the IRS visit "a few months later."

REMOVE THE LIBEL. I've already reported it to WMF rather than fight with you about it. And reread the policy about Dredging up their off line opinions to be used to repeatedly challenge their edits can be a form of harassment, just as doing so regarding their past edits on other Misplaced Pages articles may be. An article written by an editor who has written as many nasty things about me as you have is defacto an attack bio. And see the WP:COINs already done on me that showed nothing. Just POV. To quote one of your favorite sayings "only an i*%^t" doesn't know the difference between COIN and POV. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 23:59, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Oh, crap. You ask for it, you get it. From the same article: "They caught me at one permanent job after just a year. I immediately gave my two weeks notice. The bookkeeper gave me forms to fill out so the IRS could calculate how much to garnish. Noticing the forms permitted one to claim dependents, I wrote down the full number allowed, claiming Mohandas G. Moore, Gandhi Moore, Martin K. Moore, Corretta S.K. Moore, etc. The bookkeeper looked at me strangely, but filed the paperwork. Miraculously I kept most of my paycheck!" You have claimed, of course, to be in part philosophically a Gandhian. - Sitush (talk) 00:05, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Oh, and I forgot to mention that I said "appears to" in my first response. I quite deliberately didn't say that you had defrauded. Now, can we drop this, please, because the more you challenge, the more I'll have to respond and I'd much rather not do. - Sitush (talk) 00:08, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

So finally you bother to explain what you meant after you did all that opposition research and you found something about my 1980s nonviolent resistance you think is relevant to my editing on Misplaced Pages??? Why not go looking for the evidence that everyone you hate on Misplaced Pages has smoked pot next? I guess everyone on Misplaced Pages will hear through the grapevine now that Sitush is a Snitch. You've made you jacket, now wear it. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 00:54, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

By the way I just wrote back to WMF and said what you were doing might not be technically libel. Of course, it sure is a lot of other things most editors would not like and would see you site banned for. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 01:12, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I think most editors would be glad if you were site banned Carol, as you're nothing but a pain in the arse. Unfortunately though, although fortunately for you, that's not yet one of the pillars. Eric Corbett 01:35, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

@Sitush: It is understandable that people occasionally get emotionally involved in some cases—there are so many ways of being clueless that sooner or later we each encounter a particular variety that gets under our skin. However, you need to switch your computer off and walk away for a day or two because needling people ends badly (for an example of how the community feels, see here where people are saying that there should not be a list of people who are banned because compassion is our guiding light). I am not going to take the time to read the above and work out if something is libel, but an editor is making that assertion and the simplest would be to remove whatever it is that concerns them. Johnuniq (talk) 02:02, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Hold up. I just wanna make sure that I'm getting this right. @Carolmooredc: you've:

Come up with a new warning (personal harassment)
Written to the WMF about Libel
Considered the post above by Sitush harassment

I've gotten that right, right? (I'll wait for you to answer before I continue). Dusti 02:31, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

User:Dusti If you read what I said, what he originally said sounded like libel. The link he sent me, without bothering to identify what he was referring to, sounded like gross misrepresentation. When he finally told me what it was, it sounded like obnoxious snitching/outing, and thus I told WFM in these exact words: FYI, after much prodding he finally explained what he was talking about - a 1980s incident of war tax resistance.

Again, Misplaced Pages:Harassment#Posting_of_personal_information reads:

Those of us who didn't know better than to sign up with our real names really should not be constantly hounded and baited like this. If he thinks there's a COI on some issue, go to WP:COIN. Snitching on people's past activities is incredibly tacky and I'm sure would be piss off many editors. I'll have to see if this is something worth bringing to oversight, a process I am unfamiliar with. I thought you had to go to WMF to get bad stuff taken out. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 03:30, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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