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Controversial?
As silly as it may seem to a non-Jew or even a non-Orthodox Jew, this is a controversial subject. Even as a semi-observant Jew I am aware of competing opinions about the source of the dye. I also recognize that statements on this page about what is and is not chilazon, and also about the supposed debunking of Reb Radzyner are both highly opinionated and lack references.
Also, the article ] deals summarily with the controversy, stating
At some point in Jewish history, the source of the dye was lost and since then, Jews have worn plain white tzitzyot without any dyes
Meanwhile, immediately to the left of this statement is a photo of a tzitzit with blue threads and the caption "A set of tzitzit with blue tekhelet thread."
And yet at the end of that article (Tzitzit) are external refs that attempt to point to a variety of opinion...even though within its own text it points to this article (Tekhelet) as being the "main article." Confusing...they should probably be combined, corrected and redirected.
Under other circumstances (i.e. if this were a non-religious subject) I would dive in, do the research and rewrite the article. I am, however, not interested in fighting about edits *and* about the religious laws and controversies of my own faith (COI and all that). As such, having recused myself, I am writing this to bring the issue to the attention of the Jews and Judaism project and to any brave Wiki-souls who would take it as a challenge to sort this out.
--starfarmer (talk) 21:51, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
OK, I deleted the word "tekhelet" of the above-mentioned caption. (The blue thread in the photo might or might not indeed be "tekhelet" ). -- -- -- 01:17, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
section under title "Other applications"
This section does not belong in this wikipedia-article, and should be moved elsewhere. -- -- -- 01:31, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Upload picture
I could upload a picture of my Tallit, it has P'til Tekhellit. The tallit and tzittzit Were made and tied in Israel Bnei-Brak and certified by the Haredi posek Shmeul HaLevi Wosner Rabbi of Zichron-Meier, Bnei-Brak. I even still have the posek's seal if you need that as proof or evidence. You can find more about the Rabbi here on wikipedia even. http://en.wikipedia.org/Shmuel_Wosner
I was rather surprised to find my certifying Rabbi to not only be a posekim but a rather popular one at that. --Teacherbrock (talk) 16:58, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
- Is your Tallit different from the one pictured in the article? -- -- -- 23:27, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
argaman
What source is there for claiming that argaman also came from the chilazon? Tkuvho (talk) 11:45, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
References
Someone please edits the first few references to the Rishonim (Rashi, Raavad, etc.) and where they make these statements about how many strings that are blue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.98.153.13 (talk) 20:18, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
How is a dye 'recited'?
The first sentence says tekhelet is a dye. The last sentence of the lede says that tekhelet is recited in the Sh'ma Yisroel. What does it mean to recite a dye? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 13:41, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Fixed. Thanks for pointing this out. -- -- -- 21:04, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
thanks! --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 02:05, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
1300 years?
I am puzzled by this
At some point following the Roman exile of the Jews from the Land of Israel, the actual identity of the source of the dye was lost. Since that time, a period spanning over 1,300 years, Jews have only worn plain white tassles (tzitzit).
It appears to imply that the Romans removed the Jews from Israel a bit over 1300 years ago. But that is not what happened, nor what the (recent) cited source says – it reads "tekhelet is a commandment that has been forgotten for over 1300 years", and later mentions decrees by the the Romans, made in the 4th century A.D., regulating religious usages. Unless someone can explain this paragraph (and account for the "1,300" in the cited source) I will remove this mention of the Romans. Maproom (talk) 08:50, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
others who wear tzitzit?
Should the Karaites be mentioned, since they wear tzitzit with techelet believing that any (almost) any source of blue is satisfactory? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 02:07, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
- Mention of the Karaite tzitzit already appears at Tzitzit#Karaite tzitzit; introduced to the article way back on 15:56, 24/Oct/04 by Yoshiah ap (talk · contribs) with image added on 03:41, 7/Apr/05 by SpaceFalcon2001 (talk · contribs). The section on Karaites was then removed without explanation on 14:40, 23/Oct/06 by 80.178.114.234 (talk) and readded on 13:24, 17/Apr/07 by 192.114.91.226 (talk). Sources were added on 7/May/12 by Bachrach44 (talk · contribs).
- Mention of the Karaites has also been added to this article on 12:50, 20/May/11 by Teacherbrock (talk · contribs), and was then removed without explanation on 08:33, 10/Jul/11 by 94.188.132.2 (talk). What do other editors think about readding this information here? -- -- -- 23:35, 12 June 2014 (UTC)