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2.27.132.210 (talk · contribs)

List

- Moved to talk:Ascension Parish Burial Ground/Lists. This was removed from the article as it should be only necessary to have ONE list, with references. Breaking it down into knights, or Members of the Order of Merit, FRS, FBA, etc. is not helpful as the categories are not mutually exclusive with the consequence that individuals appear in several lists. Barney the barney barney (talk) 16:49, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

And there should be ONE list of NOTABLE people. At present the main notability criterion that I am using is if they have a Misplaced Pages article. Barney the barney barney (talk) 22:35, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

The second point is that wives of dubious importance should not be unnecessarily WP:REDLINKed. Barney the barney barney (talk) 13:50, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Referencing

The next major task will be to Reference each person listed. The existing system is vague, or refers to the subject's Misplaced Pages articles.

Find a Grave

The most obvious way to do this would be to link to Find a Grave. I don't think that Find a Grave is particularly reliable, except where a photograph is provided by them. I have done the first one, John Couch Adams.

Use the <ref>{{find a grave|name=John Smith|grid=123456}}</ref>.

Only another 100 to go... Barney the barney barney (talk) 16:58, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

All of the individual articles ALREADY have Links to Find-A-Grave: all you need to do is copy and paste them to put them into the references; you are more than welcome to carry on doing them!

2.30.195.115 (talk)

References:

^ Sir Hgugh Kerr Anderson at Find a Grave

^ Jon Burnaby at Find a Grave

Please correct these typos.?

^ Richard Appleton at Find a Grave

This link does not work - can you disambiguate 'Richard Appleton' please?

You can copy and paste the references to Find-A-Grave from the individual articles, of course?

2.30.195.115 (talk) 09:03, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Charles Seltman

Is this memorial, which seems to be fairly substantial and suitably artistic for an art historian: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dumbledad/3182786612/in/set-72157612363468950 to Charles Seltman, or is it just to his wife? Barney the barney barney (talk) 10:59, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Barney3, I assume your question is addressed to me? I hope to have an answer for you shortly! MP

2.30.189.109 (talk) 08:23, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Ascension Parish Burial Ground

There is a new facebook group called: "Ascension Parish Burial Ground : A Cambridge Necropolis" with over 35 members, formed in December 2013; applications to join this group are most welcome from anyone with an interest in the history of both Cambridge and the university. It complements the work of The Friends of the Parish of the Ascension Burial Ground by publishing research. 2.27.124.177 (talk) 19:55, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Vandalism?

This material was unilaterally deleted from this article by someone who may not appreciate the importance of the Darwins; I have asked him to discuss first in future - or be reported 2.24.32.69 (talk) 09:03, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Period Piece: A Cambridge childhood

Some of the above are mentioned in Period Piece, the 1952 book about the Darwin family by Gwen Raverat (née Darwin) including: Frances Cornford (née Darwin) ("Cousin Frances"); she was known to her family before her marriage as "FCD" and after her marriage as "FCC". She is buried in her late father's grave. Francis Cornford, husband of Frances Cornford; because of the similarity of his Christian name, his father-in-law's and his wife's, he was known to Darwin family as "FMC"; he was cremated at Cambridge Crematorium on 6 January 1943, Sir Francis Darwin ("Uncle Frank"); father of Frances Cornford, with whom he is buried, and Lady Florence Henrietta Darwin, Sir Francis's third wife is briefly mentioned but the marriage was after the time period in the book; she is buried opposite their grave. Sir Francis Darwin, FRS Sir Horace Darwin ("Uncle Horace") and Lady Ida Darwin, née Farrer, ("Aunt Ida") Sir Horace Darwin, FRS Sir Richard Claverhouse Jebb ("Uncle Dick") and Lady Caroline Jebb ("Aunt Cara") - there is a memorial to her but she was buried in America. Arthur Woollgar Verrall, buried with his wife Margaret Verrall, a lecturer in classics at Newnham College. Note: the author and her father, Sir George Darwin (referred to as "Uncle George") are buried together in Trumpington Extension Cemetery in Cambridge; the author's American mother, Lady Maud Darwin (née Du Poy) was cremated at Cambridge Crematorium. The location of the grave of Ellen Wordsworth Darwin (1856 - 1903), ("Aunt Ellen"), née Crofts, the second wife of Sir Francis Darwin ("Uncle Frank") and mother of Frances Cornford (née Darwin) ("Cousin Frances") is as yet unknown. Eight members of the Darwin family are buried in St Mary the Virgin Churchyard, Downe, Kent; nearby is Down House, the home of the Darwin family. Darwins buried at Downe include: Bernard Darwin and his wife Elinor Monsell, who taught her husband's cousin Gwen Raverat engraving; Charles Waring Darwin; Elizabeth Darwin, "Aunt Bessy"; Emma Darwin, Charles Darwin's wife, "Grandmamma"; Erasmus Alvey Darwin; Mary Eleanor Darwin; Henrietta Etty Darwin, later Litchfield, "Aunt Etty". "Uncle Richard", Richard Litchfield, husband of "Aunt Etty", is presumed to have been buried where he died in Cannes, France and not at Downe. Charles Darwin is buried in Westminster Abbey; Charles and Emma Darwin's daughter Anne Darwin is buried in the churchyard of Great Malvern Priory, Great Malvern. The extended Darwin family, with family nicknames/burial locations

The many Darwin family members mentioned in Period Piece can best be summarised as follows: Uncles William Erasmus Darwin ("Uncle William") Sir Francis Darwin ("Uncle Frank"): Cambridge, Ascension Burial Ground Sir Leonard Darwin ("Uncle Lenny") Sir Horace Darwin ("Uncle Horace"): Cambridge, Ascension Burial Ground Sir George Darwin ("Uncle George") : Cambridge, Trumpington Extension Cemetery Aunts Henrietta Litchfield ("Aunt Etty")St Mary the Virgin Churchyard, Downe, Kent Elizabeth ("Aunt Bessy") St Mary the Virgin Churchyard, Downe, Kent Uncle's and Aunt's spouses Richard Buckley Litchfield ("Uncle Richard") - Aunt Etty's husband Ellen Wordsworth Darwin, née Crofts, ("Aunt Ellen") - Sir Francis Darwin's second wife, mother of Frances Cornford Elizabeth (née Fraser, "Aunt Bee") - Sir Leonard Darwin's first wife Mildred Darwin, nee Massingberd - Sir Leonard Darwin's second wife Sara Darwin, née Sedgwick, - "Aunt Sara") - William Darwin's wife Lady Ida Darwin née Farrer ("Aunt Ida") - Sir Horace Darwins's wife; : Cambridge, Ascension Burial Ground Lady Maud Darwin, nee Du Poy, mother of ], wife of Sir George Darwin: Cambridge, Trumpington Extension Cemetery Cousins Bernard Darwin (son of Sir Francis Darwin and his first wife Amy): St Mary the Virgin Churchyard, Downe, Kent Frances Darwin, later Cornford, (daughter of Sir Francis Darwin and his second wife Ellen): Cambridge, Ascension Burial Ground Erasmus Darwin IV (son and eldest child of Sir Horace Darwin and Lady Ida): St Mary the Virgin Churchyard, Downe, Kent Ruth Darwin, later Rees-Thomas (elder daughter of Sir Horace Darwin and Lady Ida) Nora Barlow, nee Darwin,(younger daughter of Sir Horace Darwin and Lady Ida) Second cousins Ralph Wedgwood Felix Wedgwood (brother of Ralph) Ralph Vaughan Williams

Okay, let us make it clear: this information has nothing, nothing and nothing to do with the burial ground. You should add it to the existing article about the Darwin family. For this article the info is completely irrelevant. This article is about the burial ground, not about family members of someone buried here nor about family members buried elsewhere.

And beside that: the section is completely unsourced. The Banner talk 17:46, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Instead of repeatedly accusing me of vandalism, it might by a good idea that you try to familiarize yourself with the basic ideas of Misplaced Pages, my dear IP. For instance:

1 subject in 1 article.
No promotion/advertising

The Banner talk 03:50, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Cambridge Apostles

This is an essential addition to the article; perhaps a certain Dutch 'editor' in Ireland should consider improving the Cambridge Apostles instead of damaging this one, please?

Ten former members of the Apostles are all buried in the Parish of the Ascension Burial Ground in Cambridge : Henry Jackson, classicist (1863); Sir Richard Claverhouse Jebb, classicist (1859); Desmond MacCarthy, newspaper critic (1896); Sir Donald MacAlister, physician (1876); Norman McLean, Orientalist (1888), G. E. Moore, philosopher (1894); Frank P. Ramsey, philosopher (1921); Vincent Henry Stanton, Professor of Divinty (1872), Arthur Woollgar Verrall, Classicist (1871), and Ludwig Wittgenstein, philosopher (1912). These ten members were from Christ's, King's, St. Johns College and Trinity colleges.

2.27.132.201 (talk) 18:44, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

For your information: This is a page about the Ascension Parish Burial Ground. Not about the Cambridge Apostles. The Banner talk 00:27, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

It does perhaps help slightly if we at least try to stay rather vaguely on topic. Barney the barney barney (talk) 00:47, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

ROBERT HEATH LOCK

Can someone re-instate his missing article as there is an ODNB biography being written? Martin.

Robert H. Lock Fellow of Gonville and Caius College and Assistant Director of the Peradeniya Botanical Gardens;

2.30.189.118 (talk) 07:45, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

14 DELETIONS FOR NON-ARTICLES

Loftus Kendall Bushe-Fox M.A., Fellow and Tutor of St. Johns College and his wife Theodora Bushe-Fox,
John Carver, Fellow of St. Johns College and Registrar of Addenbrookes Hospital
John Clay, printer, University printer
Michael James Farrell Reader of economics, Fellow of Gonville and Caius College
Arthur Beak Heffer, Louisa Marion Heffer, Ernest William Heffer, the family who owned the famous Heffers bookshop in Cambridge, which is now part of Blackwells
John Bascombe Lock Fellow of Gonville and Caius College and wife Emily Lock
Hugh Roger Lubbock Cell Biologist, Junior Research Fellowship at Churchill College and his father John Ralph Lubbock
Arthur Matthew Businessman, local politician and community stalwart
Paine, Susan Helen, Fellow of Clare College
Francis Pattrick, Fellow, Tutor, President of Magdalene College
Arthur Peck, Fellow of Christ's College Cambridge, Morris Dance enthusiast.
William Luard Raynes, a Fellow of Pembroke College, a Solicitor
David Roberts (architect), Fellow of Magdalene College and his wife Margaret Roberts.
Charles Pinfold Sumner, Fellow of Gonville and Caius College and University Esquire

Barney, Barney, the Barney?

Martin 2.30.189.118 (talk) 08:07, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Michael James Farrell at Find a Grave
^ Cite error: The named reference Goldie was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

Removal of maintenance templates

Could the IP refrain from removing the maintenance templates? It is getting a bit annoying. The Banner talk 09:00, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Darwin family

Is it possible to explain why the burials of the Darwin family are important enough to be in the lead of this article? To my opinion, it is trivia. The Banner talk 09:04, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Ladies' Dining Society

Is it possible to explain why the non-notable Ladies' Dining Society has to be mentioned in the lead? The Banner talk 09:04, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

It does appear that the wives of certain dons liked to get together to have dinner parties. Possibly without their menfolk. They might have had semi-regular parties and given themselves a name. This might be relevant to a sociologist studying this period in Cambridge history. However, it appears to be entirely irrelevant to the burial ground, and it is also unsourced and does seem rather unimportant. Barney the barney barney (talk) 10:14, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

So '"unimportant", that a book is being written about it! Do you know who the 12 members were?

2.27.125.97 (talk) 10:42, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes. I don't really care. Currently, it's an unsourced statement. Barney the barney barney (talk) 11:39, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

multiple issues

Template:The Banner does nothing to improve this article, other than to criticise it!

It has been suggested before that he puts his time and effort into Cambridge Apostles? 2.30.189.118 (talk) 09:27, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Sir, this is an encyclopaedia. This is not a private website about the Ascension Parish Burial Ground. So the information at this page should be sourced, neutral and relevant. It is common practise that long list only contain notable people what usually means: have their own article. You are giving the Darwin family and that dining society undue weight by putting that info in the lead, without giving proper reasons why it is important enough to mention it just there. Pointing at shortcoming of an article is also a way of getting the article improved. But I know that when I do thing, you will revert me straight away. The tags I put on the article is a way to get more editors in to review and improve the article. The Banner talk 20:15, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

It has been suggested before that you put all your time and effort into Cambridge Apostles; that is an article that really deserves some serious attention by an expert editor/contributor!

2.30.188.93 (talk) 19:18, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, my friend. I am unwilling to clean up your stuff. If you want articles, write them yourself. Don't expect others to do that. The Banner talk 21:02, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

This article is being routinely 'vandalised' by a Dutch editor living in Eire, who has been reported; the above so-called 'issues' illustrate his apparent obsession with this good article; he should cease and desist immediately.

2.27.125.97 (talk) 10:37, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

We have a policy here with the name No Personal Attacks. Unfortunately, that seems the only thing you are able to do. So I have requested page protection against IPs. Your disruptive behaviour. If you continue in this disruptive, insulting way, I report each and every IP you use for a block. The Banner talk 12:18, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

STATEMENT FOR THE RECORD

It is NOT a new article;'Barney, Barney, the Barney' has ALREADY edited it and he did a VERY GOOD job!!

2.27.125.97 (talk) 10:45, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Proposed section move

I propose to move the section Five members of the family of Charles Darwin are interred here: two sons: Francis Darwin and Horace Darwin, two daughters-in-law: Florence Darwin (third wife of Francis) and Lady Ida Darwin (wife of Horace), and a granddaughter: Frances Cornford, the daughter of Francis Darwin by his second wife, Ellen Wordsworth Darwin. Ten members of the Cambridge Apostles are interred in this burial ground. Over one hundred Fellows, including 38 former Professors, of the University of Cambridge are buried in this cemetery. from the lead to the end of the article, under a yet to be decided header. Reason for this proposal is that it give undue weight in this article to the Darwin family and the Cambridge Apostles. The Banner talk 22:15, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

This article is being routinely 'vandalised' by a Dutch editor living in Eire, who has been reported; see the above as this illustrates his apparent obsession with this rather good article; he should cease and desist immediately.

2.27.146.89 (talk) 10:33, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Yep, you are indeed reported for a block for violating WP:NPA, as promised. The Banner talk 11:49, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

You can claim to be "the 'Ascension Parish Burial Ground' expert!!" but that does not make you the owner of the article. It just proves that you have a Conflict of Interest. So please, stop your attacks and behave properly. The Banner talk 12:33, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

"I am the 'Ascension Parish Burial Ground' expert!!" This is ENGLISH HUMOUR; if you do not understand that, then (in my opinion) you should NOT be editing? If - as previously suggested - you want something 'constructive' to do, then tidy up the Cambridge Apostles article! 2.27.132.210 (talk) 23:27, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

As I said before: clean up your own stuff. And please, start using some proper manners. Personal attacks are not useful. The Banner talk 08:44, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

THIS IS A VALUABLE ARTICLE

This article contains 79 people with ODNB biographies and has links to 111 Misplaced Pages articles!

2.27.132.210 (talk) 23:23, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

It might be a good idea to take care of the red links in the article. Most of the time they are deemed non-notable and are removed out of lists. The Banner talk 22:09, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Robert H. Lock

Can someone please re-instate his deleted Misplaced Pages article, as previously requested? He is having a new ODNB biography written by a Cambridge Professor!

Robert Heath Lock, Assistant Director of the Peradeniya Botanical Gardens, in Sri Lanka, around 1910

195.194.238.103 (talk) 14:20, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

It looks that there was never a proper article about Robert H. Lock or Robert Heath Lock (= redirect to disambiguation page). So you have to write the article. The Banner talk 15:56, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

There WAS an article, but it got deleted; ODNB think he is worthy of a dedicated biography! See:

"Robert Lock

 (Redirected from Robert Heath Lock)

Robert Lock may refer to:

Robert Heath Lock, Assistant Director of the Peradeniya Botanical Gardens, in Sri Lanka, around 1910"

2.27.113.156 (talk) 12:30, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

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