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What is that movie titled?

I am disappointed in you. I had absolutely no involvement in the discussion and Samsara did a clear and acceptable closing. I restored based on Samsara 's closing without reviewing the arguments. As the review is RS, the next question is whether the review is noteworthy. If you feel it isn't noteworthy, post a new RFC. In the meantime you are quibbling about whether you think....... Revert please. – S. Rich (talk) 05:42, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm disappointed that you are participating in Victor's transparent farce. He purposely tailored a very narrow RFC that he knew many would agree with and is now using the results as a mandate for an edit beyond the scope of the RFC. Gamaliel (talk) 14:41, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

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America: Imagine the World Without Her

Hello, regarding America: Imagine the World Without Her, can you please add references for the reviews that you are quoting? You can use the {{cite news}} template; Edge of Tomorrow (film)#Critical response is a sample section from which you can copy use of the template. Thanks, Erik (talk | contrib) 04:45, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

@Erik: I didn't want to do the work of formatting the citations properly if I was going to be immediately reverted by Victor or whoever. I'll add them tonight if the article remains stable. I'm glad you've shown up, perhaps an experienced film editor can help whip this article into shape. Gamaliel (talk) 04:51, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
I understand that you expect to be reverted. I have some thoughts about reporting on the critical response, which involves structuring and attributing. Erik (talk | contrib) 04:54, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps you can make some headway here. The key issue seems to be that Victor attributes negative critical response to a negative political response and can't separate the two. Gamaliel (talk) 04:59, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Yes, that appears to be the case. My thinking is that we could have a traditional critical response section and a political commentary one, and the latter may be a space in which the critics' coverage is commented on. This would work under WP:NPOV, which says to explain the sides, fairly and without bias. I will see what I can put together. Erik (talk | contrib) 05:11, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I also saw this. I ask you to refrain from inconsiderate remarks. If there are obstacles to building the article, we can request input from the WikiProject Film community to determine consensus for different elements. Erik (talk | contrib) 04:54, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not going to be nice to someone who has been treating me like crap for six months. Gamaliel (talk) 04:59, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
It's policy to be civil. I know it's frustrating, but the key is to focus on content and to involve additional editors to break stalemates. Erik (talk | contrib) 05:11, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
I understand and respect what you're trying to do here, but if you only talk to one person in an uncivil exchange, then what you are essentially doing is asking them to be a punching bag for the other party. Gamaliel (talk) 05:39, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Like I said, focus on content. It really is a thing. :) Animosity is not going to forward any discussions. Stalemates have to be recognized when they happen, and then we can seek out additional input rather than getting frustrated and hostile with one another. In the meantime, any chance you can retract this? If the uncivil exchange continues anyway, I will talk to the other editor. Erik (talk | contrib) 13:49, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

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Well....yeah. I've been thinking the same thing.

Y'all look like fun loving peo...er...beings. I'm not the type to run to admin and tell except in extreme circumstances, but you might want to self revert your last edit since it puts you at 4 reverts within a 24 hour period. 0; 1, 2a 2b, 3,4 You never know what someone else might do.VictorD7 (talk) 03:33, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

I have no idea if your warning is sincere or not, because it's hard to gague your sincerity, but I do sincerely thank you for your comment, at least the part of it where you aren't acting like a jackass. I do wish that you would try harder to restrain your baser instincts, if such a thing is possible, and maybe with a slight effort towards maturity on your part this could have been resolved in the summer. That said, I don't believe that first "revert" is in fact a revert. But I will self-revert anyway because it was inappropriate for be to indulging in edit warring, as I was in this case, and I should exercise restraint even when you are unable to do so. I have to set a good example for the children, after all. Gamaliel (talk) 04:06, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
While we'll have to disagree on who's been immature/trollish/jackassish/inappropriately restrained, my notice was sincere. Regarding the first revert, it's my understanding that undoing prior actions is a revert, which is why I provided "0" to show you were restoring items another editor had recently deleted, rather than just adding entirely new material.VictorD7 (talk) 18:56, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
We'll have to disagree on that interpretation, but I do believe that is a good faith disagreement, so thank you again for your post. Gamaliel (talk) 20:35, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Deleted posts on Gamergate talk pages:

I admit to being a bit baffled. I'm not saying that all of my posts were very polite, but then again, so were others, especially one guy did nothing more than troll in reply to everyone criticizing the heavily biased #gamergate wikipedia entry. Maybe you can point out what exactly was so terrible in my posts that they had to be censored? And let me add that I think it is a crying shame that this is happening at all on a "talk" page, as long as I'm not insulting anyone. It shows once again that there is no fair discussion here, when it comes to #gamergate. There is a heated discussion on this page and I can't for the life of me understand why 7 (SEVEN!!) of my posts were deleted. Censorship stinks, especially on a discussion page.Die-yng (talk) 20:01, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Don't comment about others on the article talk page, it violates the expected standards of behavior and exposes you to possible sanctions pwer Misplaced Pages:General sanctions/Gamergate. If you want to talk about others, take it to a noticeboard and follow WP:CONDUCTDISPUTE. Also, review WP:NOTFORUM, and confine your comments to the editorial content of the article. Dreadstar ☥ 20:18, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
I only removed one of your posts myself, and in that post you said to another editor "all you have to contribute is trolling". It should be obvious why that was inappropriate. Gamaliel (talk) 20:38, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
@Gamaliel: I'd like to draw your attention once more to Die-yng, who is conducting a slow-motion edit war in the talk page of Brianna Wu. This isn't precisely a single purpose account, but it's nearly one. Since Brianna Wu is young and has been famously the subject of death threats, the username could be subject to an unfortunate construction. On the other hand, the name predates Gamergate by some months and a Google search indicates that a similar name is used elsewhere by a German individual to whom that construction might not immediately occur. MarkBernstein (talk) 21:10, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Gamaliel (talk) 22:50, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
after dinner, I see that this has been resolved. Thanks, I also see that, if I'm reading this correctly, a very long user page post that mentions me has been deleted and hidden. That's dandy -- unless there's something there I need to know. I'll trust your judgment on that. MarkBernstein (talk) 03:20, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
He said that you had advised him that his post might be seen as an attack on Brianna Wu, and he responded that it was not his intention, with a bunch of specific references to youtube posts, etc. That's the only mention of you in a very long message. Gamaliel (talk) 03:45, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

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Adjustment of Die-yng's topic ban wording

Could I suggest that you modify the wording of Die-yng's topic ban from 'articles' to 'pages'? PhilKnight (talk) 00:49, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Good idea. Thank you for noticing my oversight. Gamaliel (talk) 01:09, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

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Dylan

Hi! Was wondering what was wrong with my edit? See you self-reverted. Glad I wasn't a complete moron.Onel5969 (talk) 02:45, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, misclick, totally my fault. Gamaliel (talk) 03:04, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

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ANI

When Russavia (, , he was editing as an IP earlier on the page on other proxies), Loganmac (), and ChrisGualtieri () are all informing him that I'm wrong and must be dealt with I feel somewhat concerned.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 21:31, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

You have a right to be concerned. But we are also concerned about your interactions with Auerbachkeller. Also, I doubt Auerbachkeller will be willing to listen to your concerns after you've accused him of threatening him. I will bring your concerns to him as a neutral party if you will stay out of it. Gamaliel (talk) 21:39, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
I have reformatted the initial posts where I referred to his message as a threat and notified him of that. The threat concerning RTG also being on ANI is being used against me as well according to Knowledgekid87, when everyone knows that's just a retaliatory version to my own thread requesting he be IBAN'd from me. I am way over my head here. Gamergate is nothing like the nutjobs at WR or ED.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 21:42, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
I realize that GG is a complicated issue, but not every incident is about the totality of it. Right now my sole concern is getting you to moderate and disengage from Auerbachkeller and nothing more. Gamaliel (talk) 21:46, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
Ryulong, stop seeing everything as one issue and just apologize to Auerbachkeller. Even if he was incorrect in his initial demands, it's because he doesn't totally understand Misplaced Pages rules and policies. You do. It's not hard to admit when you're wrong, and it takes the pressure off when you do. Everyone makes mistakes. Offer your hand and sincere apology, I think that would do a lot to resolve any left over ill will. Dave Dial (talk) 22:02, 15 November 2014 (UTC) Edited to add, I see you have already done that now. Imma leave this, but wanted to note you had already done as I suggested before I suggested. heh Dave Dial (talk) 22:06, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Courtesy notice

I undid your closure at ANI regarding Ryulong and left your comment at the top. The apology wasn't accepted and explicitly rejected. I think that means it is still ongoing. I proposed a topic ban with time frame being undetermined. Jimbo recommended a similar one for Tarc if he didn't voluntarily recuse. Personally, I have doubts about authenticity of the new account and it's possibly trolling but AGF and the reaction to it was not good and it's because of the topic, not the editor. --DHeyward (talk) 00:53, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

He is within his rights not to accept Ryulong's apology, but now that it's been offered, there is nothing actionable to deal with at ANI besides hurt feelings and the stirring up of drama. Gamaliel (talk) 02:58, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
Still, there is a call for more aggressive DS to reduce the drama. SPAs are part of the problem. High conflict editors are another. Tarc has already been admonished. I've asked if there is a way to verify the person in dispute with Ryulong but at the same time it doesn't excuse his behavior. It's not the first time either for Ryulong. Reopening wasn't to stir up drama as there is plenty of drama as long as these editors are contributing to GamerGate. There are many other editors (Tony Sidaway for one) that isn't drawing drama to the article. --DHeyward (talk) 03:39, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
He's not a troll or anything, and is the real David Auerbach(look at his Twitter feed). Dave Dial (talk) 04:00, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
Aah. I'm twitter illiterate. I knew he was a real person. I knew there was a verified connection to Tarc but not Ryulong or WP. Thanks for the link. --DHeyward (talk) 04:11, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Was your suggestion to Ryulong that "it would be a good idea for you to refrain from dealing with User:Auerbachkeller or his writings from now on" accepted? (It was, after all, my initial request.) I haven't gotten an answer on this and I am avoiding contacting Ryulong directly. Auerbachkeller (talk) 19:51, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

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