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Two questions

Given that the GamerGate article is extremely hard to digest when read as a whole, and deferring to your experience at WP:VG, I am hoping to hear from you on two issues... 1) which parts or sections of the article do you feel are the least impartial? and 2) is it really that there are no RS within Talk:Gamergate controversy#List of relevant sources concerning the ethics in gaming journalism perspective? Thanks for your time. starship.paint ~ regal 14:33, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

On #2, there's only one site that is really good as an RS, that's the Columbia Journalism Review (CJR), then a weaker source is CinemaBlend. The rest are not really reliable, particularly for a controversy article. --MASEM (t) 15:50, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll look into CJR. starship.paint ~ regal 05:37, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi again Masem, I saw that you generally agreed with Totlmstr's trimmed version of GamerGate. Since then, NorthBySouth has created his own Talk:Gamergate controversy#Working draft and is actively pushing for it. If you think Totlmstr's version has its merits, I was thinking that we should actively push for it ... as the main draft? Or combined with NorthBySouth's draft? I thought this should better be settled before NorthBySouth's draft gets too advanced. starship.paint ~ regal 12:26, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

This is completely acceptable process to create a draft like this; you're free to do your own, and I know of at least one doing another. It's when they come to say "Okay, now can we make this one the main article", that's where consensus should start. --MASEM (t) 16:36, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

I acknowledge that there's no wrongdoing in creating your own draft. I was just thinking, that the more delayed the decision on which will be the main article, the more conflict there will be. starship.paint ~ regal 01:36, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko photo

Hi Masem,

I see you uploaded the image of the 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko comet used in the article on the Philae lander. I was really curious how big of an area the image represented and looked it up and found it is 857x857 meters . Do you think we could add a scale line, such as commonly seen on maps, to the image (presumably along the top of the image which shows space rather than the comet)? I'm not sure if editing the image like that would be appropriate, nor whether to upload it over the existing image or as a separate image.

Some guy (talk) 23:32, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

@Some guy: It is a CC-BY license so it is available to be built on. So you can freely add a scale measurement and then (recommended) upload as a new image to Commons, making sure to note it is a derivative of the one I uploaded, and definitely to make sure to site the original statement where they mention the size to explain how you got to that (to avoid OR). The resulting upload would still need to be CC-BY, but that's it. I would not replace the image on Commons (but you can on the Philae page with the new one), as both versions are useful downstream to our end readers. --MASEM (t) 23:35, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Hey, been a long time

I saw Jimbo Wales' post on Twitter in response to GamerGate, and a suggestion for a neutral article...giving it a shot, though to be honest the lead is turning into the hardest part. I haven't done this in a long time. Anyway I'm letting you know because I'd like you to proofread, because you're one of the cooler heads in all this. Would you be up for a copyedit once I get it pulled together?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:25, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I would be happy to. I have a good idea where our article ought to sit. --MASEM (t) 04:53, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

@Kung Fu Man: You may want to check here for possible sources (the link was noted earlier on the GG talk page). --MASEM (t) 16:56, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Yeah not going to lie while there's a lot useful in there I wish it'd focused on some core things better. That said it's very hard not to show Quinn as an aggregator here when she is pretty deeply tied to a lot of the actions. I need to add more references to a few of the statements and fix a thing here and there, but got the origin pretty much down. I'll be at my place of work the next few hours so if you can give what I have up currently a onceover it'd help. :\--Kung Fu Man (talk) 20:29, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

I am fully aware Quinn's role is questionable when you look at what evidence from the GG side presents - but there's still ways to handle the situation in a neutral, clinical manner instead of assuming guilty parties out the door. --MASEM (t) 20:31, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Oh no I agree actually, even noted that much of this is allegation some of which having been debunked. The fact both sides let it escalate to this point is what I was trying to capture here, and as a whole what led up to the GamerGate outcry as a whole. If I went too far one side or the other with some points though gimme a shout, would love to fix them now before building on them further.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 20:45, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

67P/C-G picture

Hi Masem, regarding the filename of File:Philae approach to comet 67p prior to landing.jpg, you seem to be suggesting that Philae took this image rather than Rosetta. It was definitely Rosetta and I'll be fixing the filename, but I'm curious what led you to think otherwise. Cheers! — Huntster (t @ c) 03:00, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

@Huntster: My bad, I think I misread the ESA description in uploading. --MASEM (t) 04:52, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Gotcha. No problem, I'll rename it after it finishes its main page tour. — Huntster (t @ c) 06:04, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

New TAR Clue Format and Summaries

Hey, I'd like to see your opinion about this subject here. Thanks! Gsfelipe94 (talk) 22:57, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Feedback on RfC wording about non-free SVGs

Greetings, I am leaving you this notice because you participated in the discussion about non-free SVGs at WT:NFC. I have received a response from WMF on the matter, and they told me that this is a decision that has historically been left to the community. In order to get some clarification, I would like to run a widely-advertised RfC, but since I obviously have an opinion on the matter, I would prefer it if other editors could give me some feedback on the neutrality of my wording before I actually make the RfC. You can comment on the proposed statement here. Thanks! 0x0077BE 17:41, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Gamergate Arbcom

Please note the instruction for your statement in the Gamergate request for a case:

Without exception, statements (including responses to other statements) must be shorter than 500 words.

Your statement is at 794 words, so is over the limit. I see that you already trimmed, but note that the limit applies to your responses as well. I see several statements are over, and I am contacting anyone who is over 500. Please recall that this statement is not intended to be a full exposition of all evidence, which occurs at the next step, but simply a statement requesting a case. Please trim back your statement. For the arbitration committee --S Philbrick(Talk) 20:11, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

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Question

I feel, that to create a better article on such a controversial topic, GamerGate, it is essential for deep analysis of all involved parties. Since all the facts are still shrouded, and WP:OR is somewhat preventing research of this, "unique" controversy/movement/???, we as Misplaced Pages's should work together to determine facts from opinion, as well as get a better understanding of GamerGate. However, WP:FORUM has stopped quite a few discussions on the talkpage, so I'm unsure of what to do to get quality discussion going. I also propose this to ease tensions; a moderated forum of discussion would allow people to make cases for both sides. --DSA510 Pls No H8 00:28, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

"Shirtstorm"

If you're up for it, the newly created Shirtstorm and Matt Taylor (scientist) articles could likely benefit from your attention. Iamcuriousblue (talk) 03:09, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

You've got mail!

Avono (talk) 19:48, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

That 4chan image

(can't remember my old login so i can't post this on that one talk page which should not be named, so sorry if it is out of place)
Regarding the whole "rape" semantics maybe it would be worth to note somewhere that, as far as online gaming communities go, the definition of it is more akin to what urban dictionary uses for it, or to the oxford's dictionary second verb meaning. As such, there is usually no sexual connotation when using this word gaming wise (wether as a threat, joke, or just as a term to describe events), and any attempt to do so would horribly change the context of the phrase where the word is included in. It kinda reminds me of that southpark episode and the word "fag". Language evolves after all.

As for VJ's color pattern, though, i kinda seem to remember it was more related to the intention of expressing the opposition would be "butt hurt" (hence the sodomy imagery, the "butt cancer" charity donation, etc.) than to express an intention of forcing oneself sexually on someone. I have been unable to locate a proper archive for this though... .-Fighterdoken (talk) 14:39, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Breitbart as a Reliable Source

Hi there. I missed the discussion about the use of Breitbart as a source for the GGC article. Given the quality of the other sources (tabloid journalism as a whole), is it not reasonable to broach this topic again, particularly given the latest article about this IGDA blocklist fiasco, . I would think so. The reference section needs consolidation and this discussion could be an opportunity to do so. I'd suggest this on GGC Talk page but the previous discussion about BB as a RS may well be closed. In any case we both know that such a suggestion will be labelled as proGG bias and it'll get vetoed immediately. Cheers. Jgm74 (talk) 23:43, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Brietbart is generally unreliable due to past demonstration of poor journalism across all topics. Not that I am saying Milo is lying here, but unfortunately, there's going to be no way to clear Brietbart's overall reputation to try to add proGG sourcing here. I have watched the IGDA blacklist issue, and if it is as big as some proGG'ers/Milo argue, we should have other sources to support it. --MASEM (t) 01:54, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Ok, I can understand that. But are Gawker et al. better sources? The bar seems to be set very low for the article. Jgm74 (talk) 09:13, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

On the topics of Forum Shopping and Kangaroo Courts

Is my topic ban valid? I'd like an opinion from an admin who isn't in on the tagteaming. --DSA510 Pls No H8 23:47, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

You can't ask another administrator to overturn your topic ban. You need to go to WP:AN. Under community sanctions, only with AN consensus can a topic ban be overturned. RGloucester — ☎ 00:51, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Is opinion=unban me pl0x, the same way green+purple=rape now? --DSA510 Pls No H8 01:01, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

I can't really answer as involved (in addition to what RG said), and I do have to agree that the evidence supporting the ban is rather hard to ignore, in light of what the GG general sanctions demand. If it was an article clearly not under sanctions it might TROUT behavior, but not on the GG page. --MASEM (t) 01:51, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Sanctions

In a few minutes, I expect tp create a section on your recent GamerGate edits at ]. I'm afraid I don't understand the template system for this and hope either this notification will suffice or that you (or some passing traveller) will replace this with the proper template if that is needed. MarkBernstein (talk) 17:38, 23 November 2014 (UTC)