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Suggestion for a transgender man in picture

I notice that the grid with pictures of men contains no pictures of transgender men, which could be taken to bolster the incorrect idea that such men are not "real" men. I also see that the grid contains a picture of Vitruvian Man which is also shown in the body of the article. Does it need to be shown twice? Perhaps it could be replaced with a picture of a transgender man. I would suggest Chaz Bono but I am open to other suggestions. If nobody objects or has other suggestions, I will make that change in a week. I know the grid can't contain examples of every type of man, but I think an example of a transgender man is especially important because some deny such men are men at all, and we don't want to seem to be in favor of that idea. Maranjosie (talk) 23:07, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Going with WP:SILENCE here. Image edited and page updated. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 03:30, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
I reverted the image, since changing a person in the montage breaks the image description on all the other wikipedias using the image, but I uploaded a new version File:Men montage 2.jpg. I took the freedom to use Erik Schinegger instead for the sake of geographic distribution :) – Danmichaelo (talk) 22:01, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 23:53, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
I just found a pack of transphobes gloating over the fact that an intersex man (with male internal organs) is included, not an actual XX trans man, while the Woman page includes an actual trans woman (Laverne Cox). Apparently they want to interpret it as some sign that "they" t value XX people, including trans men, as highly as XY people. The comment in all its glory: http://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2014/08/22/laverne-cox-launches-media-campaign-in-support-of-transwoman-synthia-china-blast-convicted-for-the-rape-murder-and-abuse-of-the-corpse-of-thirteen-year-old-ebony-nicole-williams/#comment-40395 by "ImNoCissie". To be "above reproach" I suggest also including an XX trans man, not necessarily Chaz Bono, without removing Erik. Ramendik (talk) 16:13, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
We could remove David and replace with Chaz since David's already included as an image in the body of the article. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 20:50, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps not Chaz but Buck Angel? https://commons.wikimedia.org/File:Buckangel_cowboy.JPG here is a file that has a license clearly allowing "remixing", and it's from himself. Ramendik (talk) 05:13, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Buck Angel woudl be a great idea. There definitely should be a trans man in the picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.214.238.133 (talk) 10:15, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

But dear, transgender men aren't real men, that's just a biological fact. We need important men of history in the picture, I don't think half the people viewing this article even know who that man is. FactChecker102 (talk) 16:29, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Though I'm not sure about the claim that transgender men are not "real" men (perhaps not biologically), I do find it somewhat strange that we're including unknown men on the basis of their being transgendered, and at the exclusion of some of the most influential and famous male figures in history (e.g. Jesus, Mohammad, Buddha, Hitler, Caesar). What are the priorities here? To prove how liberal and progressive wikipedia is? LokiiT (talk) 18:03, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Citations for anti-male sexism?

"Research has identified anti-male sexism in some areas which can result in what appear to be unfair advantages given to women." Should there be a citation? Ramendik (talk) 00:11, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes Secondplanet (talk) 01:06, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Secondplanet please provide it EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 04:48, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Western Bias

Beyond the infobox, all the pictures are related to Europe or the United States - a picture of US presidents in particular seems like a silly thing to include in an article called "man". Secondplanet (talk) 19:21, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

About Age

A man, by definition, should be identified by his age at which he has grown long enough to be known as a man. Where is this outline located in this article ? I don't want this article to misinterpret that every man is simply a man no matter what his age is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.60.65.124 (talk) 15:46, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

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