Talk:Macedonia naming dispute

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The last sentence "Economic relations and cooperation have resumed to such an extent that Greece is now considered one of the Republic's most important foreign economic partners and investors." under the subsection "Stalemate" should therefore be removed as the reference (46) has expired, no longer exists and/or is irretrievable. 120.148.93.147 (talk) 07:48, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Not done: I this case I have added {{dead link}} to the cite. Sam Sailor 10:57, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Inaccurate article, need to unlock this to serious edits.

http://www.vlada.mk/?q=node/1347 example source 179: THAT RUSSIA-PERMANENT SECURITY COUNCIL MEMBER RECOGNISES MACEDONIA IN OFICIAL TEXT DOCUMENTS...>Leads to a random link about gynecology. Severely inaccurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zergbot123 (talk • contribs) 20:19, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Templates

I am a total stranger to this controversial article. I just read it and I see necessary a change: Template `Politics of Macedonia" should come before the template "Politics of Greece" as certainly the issue is a much more vital one for Macedonia than for Greece. Therefore I am changing their places, after 5 minutes. Please don't shoot me for this, if you think I am wrong just revert me and I will not begin an edit war on something I never edited before. (Indeed I wouldn't begin an edit war on anything, I hope. :-) --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 11:45, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Feel free. Though that's hardly the most pressing issue for improvement I can see with this page. A good, nice, radical pruning down would come to mind first, as far as I'm concerned. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:51, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

New section

Just for curiosity: Why does "Republika Makedonija" translate as "Republic of Macedonia" and not "Macedonian Republic"? Where is the "of"? (I know that "Republic of Macedonia" is the common name in English, I just wonder why.) --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 11:52, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

I don't really know much of the language, but as far as I can see "Makedonija" seems to be the noun, not an adjective, so the structure is that of an apposition between the two nouns, literally "the Republic Macedonia". That's the common way of expressing such state names in many languages; it's just an idiosyncracy of English that it uses a possessive construction instead. (Compare "Federal Republic of Germany" with "Bundesrepublik Deutschland"; no "of" in that one either.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:11, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

We Need to improve the article of Macedonia naming dispute

<long rant by sock IP snipped> – 212.83.144.225 (talk) 00:11, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

You are missing the concept of how Misplaced Pages works. First, your long explanation is absolutely useless without reliable secondary sources backing up everything you want to add to the article (see WP:Verifiability). Second, gather the sources and then edit the article yourself, and if some problems occur, they will be solved here on the talk page. Seems you beleave that good people will read your theory and grab the article and write everything you explained here, but unfortunately in 99% of the cases there is no one to do the work for you, and if you have interest and time, just add the content to the article and then editors may assist you, help you, or oppose you. Then, the problems, if there are any, will be discussed here on the talk-page. Anyway, it would be easier if you followed the advice from Jimbo Wales talk-page and made a summary instead of this long wall of text. Shorter and more straight-to-the-point questions usually get more editors involved. FkpCascais (talk) 03:35, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Another sock attempt by Operahome (talk · contribs). Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:42, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Summarize list of countries positions

Browsing through the talk history I have only found remarks on the very poor verifiability of the list in the article and hardly anyone talking in support of it. I dare say there was actually a consensus that was never realized to delete this content and place a concentrated summary in its place. After a glance at the sources provided, it is evident of use of non-reliable webpages (even those are misrepresented) and no official sources are given at most cases. The whole section oozes of WP:synthesis. The undertaking of the wiki in making this enumeration that no-one else has enumerated reliably (so as to cite to as a source), means this section is original research. There is no official document by either of the two countries involved that enumerates the countries said to be supporting their respective clauses. The only strongly sourced part is a dated claim of a number (137?) supporting the one side (but no list) and only a couple of official documents with explicit identification of some country's position (e.g. a NATO document explicitly referring to Turkey's stance).

With this state of things is it in accordance with the wiki policies to leave this list here as it stands? We could more reliably find sources on the big ones positions and give a more readable and informative summary.

Besides this article has been tagged as too long; if we must absolutely have to have an exhaustive list of the position of all the countries in the whole world (and I don't see the reason we ought to), why not move that to a separate (main) article List of sovereign entities' positions on the Macedonia naming dispute or something like that so that it can take its rightful place in the boring part of the wiki, together with List of diplomatic missions of Palestine or the article International recognition of Kosovo which comprises mostly of a list of countries.

Keep also in mind that the citations section has grown to stupendous size mostly because of the appearance of this list and adds even more to the size of the article. Shadowmorph 14:40, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

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