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Requested move 30 December 2014
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'Tis the Season → 'Tis the Season (disambiguation) – Surely the primary inference of this phrase is by far the song, Deck the Halls, compared to which all other uses of the phrase are obscure. I would move this page and redirect to Deck the Halls, with a hatnote pointing the disambig. bd2412 T 19:09, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
- Support, jolly good suggestion, GregKaye 19:39, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
- Support, I refrained (incorrectly in hindsight) while we were getting 1/4M hits a day, back to 90 now. Widefox; talk 13:53, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
- Support I must agree although I don't see much of a problem as it is right now. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 19:45, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose – The "(disambiguation)" is not needed. There is no primary topic. Dicklyon (talk) 02:11, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
- Let's see what the pageviews have to say about that. In the last 90 days:
- This disambiguation page has been viewed 598,925 times
- Deck the Halls has been viewed 465,408 times
- 'Tis the Season (Vince Gill and Olivia Newton-John album) has been viewed 61,554 times
- Tis the Season (Wendy Moten album) has been viewed 5,974 times
- 'Tis the Season (novel) has been viewed 37,961 times
- 'Tis the Season to Be Fearless has been viewed 8,104 times
- In other words, the song that originated the phrase gets 80% of the traffic. Whether that traffic is coming from this page is an open question, but the numbers suggest a close parity. bd2412 T 02:56, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
- Those counts are from an odd anomaly of a few days, noted at Misplaced Pages:Top_25_Report#Exclusions. Ignoring those few days, there are few visits to the disambig page. The Deck the Halls views blipped around there, too, a bit, but had steady traffic for the month before Christmas, then plummeted. Let's review the numbers at the end of January, and your numbers will evaporate. Dicklyon (talk) 05:08, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
- OMG, I just noticed that your 90-day count for Deck the Halls is almost all from 1 day about 90 days ago! Weird. Wait a few days and try again. Dicklyon (talk) 05:13, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
- Dicklyon The "odd anomaly" is a misnomer. It was just the Xmas season Google Doodle, so it should have been included in the Top 25 as normal and was highly influential as, atypically, it lasted several days. The click through from the dab to the carol was low (1/4M dab and 3-9K respectively per day if I remember correctly). The point is, I added and maintained the link to what clearly is the primary topic. As far as my WP:OR, that also matched the meaning the Google Doodle had in mind. We should neither be influenced by Google's choice of link, or shoot ourselves in the foot by omitting this obvious quote PT. Widefox; talk 13:12, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
- Nobody is suggesting omitting it, but the transient reason for a primarytopic claim has passed. And the many views counted at Deck the Halls were 90 days ago, on one day in early October, related to the Google Doodle. Let's look at the 60-day hits to avoid that:
- Dicklyon The "odd anomaly" is a misnomer. It was just the Xmas season Google Doodle, so it should have been included in the Top 25 as normal and was highly influential as, atypically, it lasted several days. The click through from the dab to the carol was low (1/4M dab and 3-9K respectively per day if I remember correctly). The point is, I added and maintained the link to what clearly is the primary topic. As far as my WP:OR, that also matched the meaning the Google Doodle had in mind. We should neither be influenced by Google's choice of link, or shoot ourselves in the foot by omitting this obvious quote PT. Widefox; talk 13:12, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
- Deck the Halls has been viewed 67876 times
- 'Tis the Season (Vince Gill and Olivia Newton-John album) has been viewed 61165 times
- Tis the Season (Wendy Moten album) has been viewed 5843 times
- 'Tis the Season (novel) has been viewed 37836 times
- 'Tis the Season to Be Fearless has been viewed 7376 times
- These are still ridiculously influenced by the surge in traffic from the disambig page when the doodle hit, but they give a very different picture by ignoring the October spike at Deck the Halls. Let's wait and see what the new year brings before basing primary topic claims on this season's anomaly. By current numbers, a primary topic claim looks wrong. Dicklyon (talk) 17:17, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
- If we can't rely on pageviews, should we not then look to historical importance? Deck the Halls is the origin of the phrase, and has been a standard for over a hundred and twenty years. bd2412 T 17:56, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
- These are still ridiculously influenced by the surge in traffic from the disambig page when the doodle hit, but they give a very different picture by ignoring the October spike at Deck the Halls. Let's wait and see what the new year brings before basing primary topic claims on this season's anomaly. By current numbers, a primary topic claim looks wrong. Dicklyon (talk) 17:17, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
- Let's see what the pageviews have to say about that. In the last 90 days: