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The Bugle: Issue CIII, October 2014, Redux
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Breach of topic ban
G'day Antid. Been a while. I just wanted to point out that your current topic ban "Serbs and Serbia 1900-current" includes this, especially given that this Albanian kingdom included annexed parts of what is now (and had been) Serbia. Not reporting it, just reminding you. Regards, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 10:04, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
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Re: Paškal Jukić
Nice work, I've made a couple of minor fixes.
BTW: there is no article on Il Regio Dalmata – Kraglski Dalmatin, a major topic, so I was thinking if there was a chance to write this article too (I'd volunteer) and then nominate both of them with a double DYK hook? GregorB (talk) 20:23, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- Haven't seen your hook, but now I see that it fits perfectly. You don't have to withdraw the nom, just add a note asking the reviewers not to start the review before Oct 26. (Which is a deadline for me to finish, but it is not going to be hard meeting it.) I'm starting the article shortly, and will expand it over the next 3-4 days. There's no risk - if anything goes awry, you'll be able to proceed with your nom as planned. GregorB (talk) 20:39, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- By creating an article on Jukić? Of course not, that would be preposterous. GregorB (talk) 16:24, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- But the hook merely repeats what is already said in the article. You needn't be worried about this. GregorB (talk) 17:50, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
Hello again!
I'm done with Il Regio Dalmata. I've also reviewed Jeff Banister. I suppose everything is clear now for the new double hook.
Unfortunately I'm likely going to be away from wiki for a while, starting tomorrow, so I won't be able to assist you with the nom - sorry about that. I don't expect problems with Il Regio Dalmata. The Jeff Banister review needs to be finalized after the QPQ has been completed. Surely Timbouctou will chip in should the need arise. GregorB (talk) 22:34, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
Conduct issues
Hi! I'll be happy to respond. Here is my feedback:
- 1. I say it's not a POV fork because it's not about presenting an alternate theory or point of view. Unless Mexicans in Houston is to be treated as a "POV fork" of, say Mexicans in Texas. It's about factual content. Misplaced Pages:Content_forking#Point_of_view_.28POV.29_forks seems to refer to points of view. Skookum never presented any source which explicitly stated: "There is no distinction between Sikhs in Vancouver and Sikhs in the rest of BC, there are the same". It is based off of his own Misplaced Pages:Original research feelings about the subject from personal experience. Therefore it is not reasonable to talk of a POV fork. There is none. There is a quasi-content fork (the specific article came first) but not a POV fork.
- 2. I will admit I was feeling frustrated at that moment (The bit about the "mistake that I've implied I'm from India" is NOT meant to be sarcasm from me, though - There was a time when he earlier guessed I was of Indian origins and I failed to correct him at that time). Perhaps I should not have adopted the tone. No, it did not come out of nowhere. It came out of this discussion: Wikipedia_talk:Canadian_Wikipedians'_notice_board#If_you_make_articles_on_ethnic_Indian_populations_in_Canada.2C_be_sure_to_include_info_on_Air_India_182.27s_impact_on_the_community. - The moment Skookum said: "Maybe you should read up on all this before opining about what sources may or may not say; and it's as if you're asking/demanding that such an article be created, without doing so yourself....or even really knowing much about the subject in regional terms to start with." - Follow the discussion after that point and I hope you understand why I felt frustrated. I felt extremely frustrated when I was told I had no right to comment on the issue or edit because I about the subject and that I'm not from the area. As a non-Indian Texan I have the same right to comment on and edit the article as an Indo-Canadian from British Columbia and I am just as capable of writing the article. If an editor tries to imply that only he/she may comment on this because of his/her background while not bringing up reliable sources that is going to make me feel that he/she is not regarding the emphasis on published sources.
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- "Yet a small number of debates do receive wide participation and result in a decision that is effectively final, until new evidence comes along. If you reference such a past debate, and it is clearly a very similar case to the current debate, this can be a strong argument that should not be discounted because of a misconception that this section is a blanket ban on ever referencing other articles or deletion debates."
- Since I was referring to three previous deletion debates about the same thing, I think it is appropriate to say Misplaced Pages has precedents. I stand by my use of OTHERSTUFF in this debate.
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"that merge discussion"
Man, he calls white black, picks things out of the air he claims endorses his position, and spouts claims like "people want...." as if that weren't specious OR. See here and I'm trying to withdraw; the division from the main national article is now fine, due to his "further reading farm" and obsessive linking and stitching now piecing together a fairly large article; but I CAN'T live with his pretension that Greater Vancouver and British Columbia be treated as separate subjects/contexts. I won't quote his nonsense further but it goes on and on again, relentlessly; from the first diff I noted that indicates the two subjects are intertwined (by way of the comparison made between urban and "smalltown" contexts) he would say that validates his from-afar judgement. This needs sanction, I don't want to get drawn into an ANI over this, the behavioural problem is HIS and as a "Young Adult" (see his userpage) he needs to be disciplined and dressed down. AND, in my sincere opinion, he should have his adminship withdrawn. His self-authored and rather massive articles (in the Greater Vancouver case) need major weed-whacking, and he's stitching together so many quotes he's only just found that there's no way there's no SYNTH going; he's advancing a thesis on the talkpages, and reinforcing it by writing the article in voluminous bulldozery..... and continues to be a patronizing jackass with no actual logic or common sense, only specious rationalizations as to why he won't yield. This isn't collaborative work, it's one-man thesis-writing and a clear attitude of WP:OWN towards all this creation.
You are the one "merge" vote so far, what should have been merge votes is now walls of texts/cites by him to "bury the opposition"; Canadians are all a but uptaken because of this week's events in Ottawa, not that wikipeople in other provinces ever show much interesting in BC topics....most BC Wikipedians who I've known over the years have withdrawn from Misplaced Pages long ago because of juvenile nonsense in combination with wiki-bureaucracy being so frustrating....I've left a few times but have been encouraged and pleaded with to come back, due to my years of good work on BC/Canadian and Pacific Northwest history subjects and conscientious maintenance editing; and don't need to be insulted and patronized by someone about my own province and home who's never even been to the place and only discovered this subject in the last two weeks. Lord knows I've been harshly disciplined for far less than this kind of behaviour; his making of the "in BC" article was a deliberate affront to me and my recommendations. He's just a kid in Texas with a snotty attitude about his judgements/interpolations (SYNTH and OR) and now is using weasel-word justifications"..... "some people etc.......Please understand". Oh, I f*******g understand all too well when I"m being treated as a know-nothing by a nobody.Skookum1 (talk) 08:23, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
- There's lots of geographical and terminological erros he's make, partly because he's unaware of certain wiki-realities e.g. re Metro Vancouver vs Greater Vancouver, which result from sources not using the right terms; much more could be said about that but I've taken up enough of your time...and he's taken up far too much of mine. I'll try and get some long-needed articles done instead of continuing to listen to his selfish babble any further; before I get too frustrated once again, as before, with Wikipedians who don't listen to reason, or who stonewall to get their way. His adminship should be pulled - and knowledge and logic tests should become part of the admin-making process; and puerile sillinesss be dealt with accordingly, along with the use of "no original research" to justify rejecting informed/expert local input. I'll try and focus on something more meaningful than his crap; thte artificial division he's created, and his specious justifications for his own agenda are just too tiring to bother screwing around with any longer.Skookum1 (talk) 08:29, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
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1879-1880 in Plav and Gusinje
Should we merge these articles?
What about Battles for Plav and Gusinje?--Zoupan 08:09, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
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It appears that the flags of the Kastrioti and the L. of Lezhe (with knives and helmet) is nothing more than original research (in fact its the artistic product of a user in commons). I wonder why such a flag stayed more than a year in the correspodent articles.Alexikoua (talk) 17:56, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
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Interesting topic. I can provide information on that. As for the map you pointed, I don't think it's the best we have (apart from non-rs). Especially about the regions in nw Greece, this one ] appears more accurate (Lab is limited in some villages near Konitsa and not in the rest of Epirus).Alexikoua (talk) 07:22, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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August 1914 map
Hello Antidiskriminator. I plan to create a map of Albania in summer 1914, but I can't find desent references, especially about the area of the Islamic/peasants revolt, as well as of the country's northern regions. Thus, I wonder if you can suggest me a number of reliable references. Thanks in advance.Alexikoua (talk) 21:31, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
Ana
Hi! Caan you proof the translation hidden in Ana Simonović and improve it?♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:34, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Not happy that you're excluded from editing all topics post 1900. I know Serbia and that region can be a hotbed of dispute at times but through Rosiestep I know you're generally a decent productive editor. I think wikipedia is missing out on a lot of decent neutral content because of this. Whoever banned you I think it would be worth opening a post requesting some modification to it and lifting the ban from at least a few topics which are unlikely to cause many problems. I think it's ridiculous that you can't simply proof a Serbian translation on a standard politician. Not productive for the encyclopedia.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:44, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
So who banned you and where's the discussion/consensus?♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:33, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
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