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20th Century Fox production

The first film, Star Wars, was solely produced in its original release by 20th Century Fox. I am not sure why someone keeps removing that fact from the info box. Lucasfilm produced all the others, but the first film was a sole production of 20th CF. This needs to stay in the infobox and not be removed. If anyone needs any proof, I will link the Youtube video of Jack Nicholson reading the list of "Best Picture" nominees at the 1978 Academy Awards. Each film is read with its production company and producers. If there were multiple production companies, Nicholson reads them. You will notice that when he comes to Star Wars, 20th Century Fox and not Lucasfilm is listed as the production company. .--JOJ 19:51, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

The Academy evidently made a mistake. To quote from the original credits, and even the original first release poster (which is linked in the infobox if you wish to check) "Twentieth Century-Fox presents a Lucasfilm LTD. Production." And considering Lucasfilm was set up as a Lucas's production house from 1971, why would 20th Century Fox be the production company? Canterbury Tail talk 21:50, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
They don't usually make this kind of a mistake. Its not a tongue in cheek remark, its a well thought out part of the night.--JOJ 21:52, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Please provide a better source than the Academy, a source removed from the production process. Also please respect WP:BRD. You were bold, have been reverted, now it time to discuss not simple revert and saying "it's a fact." I've provided you with a source stating it's a Lucasfilm production. Canterbury Tail talk 21:56, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Additionally check the Academy website, they list it as a "Lucasfilm, Ltd. Production." See for details. It seems they did indeed make a mistake, which isn't actually that uncommon. The small production houses often get replaced with larger distributors in the film listings on the night, it's pretty commonplace (guess who pays for these things, not the small production houses.) Canterbury Tail talk 22:02, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
I don't agree but I won't revert until the winds of change come around like they always do. A few years ago I once fought just to get it mentioned in the article that The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi were originally released by those titles to no avail, now the articles use those titles as their names. I'm patient and I'm right.--JOJ 22:30, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Evidence suggests otherwise. 20th Century held the copyright and ownership of it, but Lucasfilm was the production company. Big studios are very very rarely the production company, generally haven't been since the 50s. Most films are made by smaller production companies, often set up just for the film, and the studios are just distribution. For instance E.T. is generally considered a Universal production even though it was made by Amblin. This is just the way it is, the distributor and money providers often get the credit and the big callouts at the Academy and the like, even though they didn't make the movies. I have plenty of original Star Wars items, posters, books etc, and they all say a Lucasfilm Production. Even the Academy website says it's a Lucasfilm production, it seems only you personally disagree with this. Canterbury Tail talk 00:53, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
I've still got some stuff (booklets sold at the cinemas, posters etc) from when this and other films were released and it's all fairly consistent along the lines of "A Lucasfilm Ltd. Production - A Twentieth Century-Fox Release", which supports what's in the article. --AussieLegend (✉) 23:50, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Dimensionally flawed lines

In the releases section we have the following lines "Within three weeks of the film's release, 20th Century Fox's stock price doubled to a record high. Before 1977, 20th Century Fox's greatest annual profits were $37,000,000; in 1977, the company earned $79,000,000." What is this trying to tell us? There is a severe dimensional flaw with these lines, one line states Fox's greatest profits were X and the next that they earned Y. Obviously the reader is supposed to look at this and go "Oh they doubled" or something like that, but that's not what it's telling us. It's comparing two incomparable dimensions, profit and revenue (earnings). If there is a comparison to be made they should be in the same dimension, both profit or both revenue (earnings). It may just be a wording issue but I don't know Fox's finances well enough to determine which is correct and what wording should be changed to meet with the right figures. Canterbury Tail talk 11:35, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

In addition to the incorrect comparison (profit ≠ revenue), we would need a source comparing the figures in direct relationship to Star Wars. The assumption that the change is entirely/mostly/significantly due to Star Wars is unsourced. - SummerPhD (talk) 12:53, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
Actually, the wording doesn't implicitly cite a comparison. Two sentences citing two (presumably) correct statistics, although there definitely should be a citation. However, inherently, a reader is drawn into a comparison, so I agree it should be reworded so as to avoid any confusion. Have re-worded, hopefully it works to correctly relate the two. Onel5969 (talk) 13:15, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
In addition to restoring unsourced material making a flawed comparison, you've made the WP:OR more explicit. I don't see that as an improvement. We need several things here, some of which we will not find:
  • A reliable source discussing the stock price and relating it directly to Star Wars.
  • A reliable source connecting an increase in profits and/or an increase in revenue to Star Wars.
  • You will not find a reliable source comparing profit one year with earnings the next. It's equivalent to saying my inseam was 32 inches in 2013, while in 2014 my height was 68 inches. Assuming Star Wars increased revenue (which, yeah, it did), the prior year's profits have nothing to do with the statement. Stating 1977's revenue in isolation is similarly meaningless. - SummerPhD (talk) 14:58, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi. It is not WP:OR. It is sourced, however, the tag was located somewhere not near those "dimensionally flawed lines". It was supported by the Empire of Dreams doc: Fox exec Gareth Wigan said, "The greatest profit that 20th Century Fox had even made in a single year was $37,000,000. And in 19 they made a profit of $79,000,000. That was Star Wars." That $79 million is not the revenue, it's the profit the company made because of the film. Helpful? — Mediran  00:35, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Very, especially the repair of profit vs. revenue. (Given that the source is not as accessible to me, I'm taking it on faith.) Thanks. - SummerPhD (talk) 01:54, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
At least this is now resolved. Thanks SummerPhd and Canterbury Tail for looking this up. — Mediran  11:12, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Star Wars logo

I'm surprised there's no discussion of the iconic Star Wars logo, designed by Suzy Rice. Unfortunately, her website is presently under construction, but this fine article describes the development of the logo. I'd add this information as a new section myself (though it's potentially enough for an article of its own) but I suspect the regular contributors to this article could do a better job. -ProhibitOnions 14:59, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I think this should have an article of its own (Wow! I didn't know many things happened before they came up with the right perfect logo). And this should be mentioned in the film's development or somewhere. I'll try to add this soon. Thanks! — Mediran  09:53, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

what on earth does this quotation add?

i'm a little struck by this absolutely useless quotation from so notable an authority as a Chronicle staffer who remains nameless: "A San Francisco Chronicle staff member described the film as '... a thrilling experience.'" this serves no purpose. chris — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.34.50.225 (talk) 22:36, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Missing scene

If you're wondering about that scene, it can be found in the official script and the Behind the Magic CD.

The script

If you're looking for the scene, it appears after the lifepod falls into Tatooine.

Another scene with Luke and Biggs can be found after Threepio yells "Over here!"

Another one, with Luke only, happens before the introduction of Darth Vader.

If you got the CD, check the scene out!

202.160.16.186 (talk) 05:57, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. (While respecting the thoughts of the editor who requested that the discussion be given more time, it is clear that the current discussion will not result in a consensus to move the page, and I would add that these discussions are not votes and that canvassing is frowned upon.) If there is evidence that consensus has changed or new evidence is introduced that is relevant to naming policies and guidelines, please initiate a new request at that time. Dekimasuよ! 00:00, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Star Wars (film) → Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope – The first film is commonly referred to by this title in official media. AdamDeanHall (talk) 23:43, 23 October 2014 (UTC) I propose that this article be moved back to its proper name: "Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope." It is most commonly referred to, by both fans (in my experience) and in official media, by this title. From what I've observed, only fans from the 1970s and early 80s call this movie "Star Wars." Everyone I know my age refers to this film by either its full title, its episode number, or its subtitle. Wiki policy is to use the most common name, and from all of my observations the full name is the most common name used today. Emperor001 (talk) 00:52, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I would also point out that Wookiepedia uses the full title. http://starwars.wikia.com/Star_Wars_Episode_IV:_A_New_Hope Emperor001 (talk) 00:54, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I would also like to request similar moves for Episode V and VI's articles. As further support I would note that Star Trek: The Original Series is at that full title despite the fact that it was originally released as simply Star Trek (and unlike Star Wars the opening title sequence was never changed to include the subtitle). For both Star Trek: The Original Series and Star Wars: Episode IV: A New Hope they were the first of their respective franchises with the creators having no idea that they'd be so successful as to spawn multiple spin-off shows and films so they were respectively released as simply Star Trek and Star Wars. Later, additional shows and movies came out, making the originals part of the greater whole. Fans began referring to Star Trek as "The Original Series" with the distributor adding that as a subtitle for home media releases to distinguish it from the later shows and movies while George Lucas took the extra step of officially changing the title to Star Wars: Episode IV: A New Hope, what many modern fans now know this film as, especially with the release of the prequels. Emperor001 (talk) 23:39, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Support as it was only known as "Star Wars" until 1979 until it became the name of the franchise & storyline. If it's commonly known then we should at least provide some reliable sources. If it's kept at this title, then I suggest we mention in the article it's known in long form in the title. As an example on China it mentions the official form Peoples republic of China so we can add that in the same manner.--Nadirali نادرالی (talk) 23:19, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

The later longer title is already in the lead, in bold. But that title did not exist when the film was originally released. It is not its WP:COMMONNAME. - Gothicfilm (talk) 00:29, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

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"Stjärnornas krig (originaltitel: Star Wars)"
  • nl:Star_Wars:_Episode_IV:_A_New_Hope - Google translates as ~"Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope" with lead text: "Star Wars: Episode IV: A New Hope is een Amerikaanse sciencefictionfilm uit 1977. De film is chronologisch het vierde deel uit de Star Warsserie, ..."
  • de:Krieg_der_Sterne - Google translates as "Star Wars" with lead text:
"Star Wars: Episode IV – Eine neue Hoffnung (Originaltitel Star Wars bzw. seit 10. April 1981 Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope), ursprünglich als Krieg der Sterne.."
"La Guerre des étoiles1 (Star Wars) est un film de science-fiction (space opera) américain écrit et réalisé par George Lucas, sorti en 1977..."
"«Звёздные войны. Эпизод IV: Новая надежда» (англ. Star Wars. Episode IV: A New Hope), изначально выпущенный под названием «Звёздные войны» — эпический научно-фантастический фильм 1977 года, снятый Джорджем Лукасом. Фильм является первым в саге по году выпуска и четвёртым по сюжетной хронологии..."
"Guerre stellari (Star Wars), dal 1999 rinominato Star Wars: Episodio IV - Una nuova speranza (Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope)..."
"Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope, conocida durante su estreno como Star Wars,2 (conocida en español como Star Wars: Episodio IV - Una nueva esperanza o La guerra de las galaxias: episodio IV - Una nueva esperanza, conocida durante su estreno como Star Wars o La guerra de las galaxias)..."
"Gwiezdne wojny, część IV: Nowa nadzieja (ang. Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope) – chronologicznie czwarty, a jeśli chodzi o kolejność powstawania – pierwszy film z cyklu Gwiezdne wojny. Film opowiada o młodym Luke'u Skywalkerze, "
  • ja:スター・ウォーズ_エピソード4/新たなる希望 - Google translates as "Star Wars Episode 4 / A New Hope" with lead text: "『スター・ウォーズ エピソード4/新たなる希望』（スター・ウォーズ エピソードフォー あらたなるきぼう、Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope）は、1977年に公開されたアメリカのSF映画。スター・ウォーズ・シリーズ第1作。日本公開題名は『スター・ウォーズ』。"
  • pt:Star_Wars_Episódio_IV:_Uma_Nova_Esperança - Google translates as "Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope" with lead text:
"Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope (no Brasil e em Portugal, Star Wars Episódio IV: Uma Nova Esperança), conhecido originalmente como Star Wars (no Brasil, Guerra nas Estrelas; em Portugal, A Guerra das Estrelas) ..."
"《星球大战》（Star Wars），在1981年重命名（参见下方“标题”）为：《星球大战IV：新希望》（Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope）是乔治·卢卡斯导演的《星際大戰》"
"«Зоряні війни. Епізод IV. Нова надія» (англ. Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope) — класичний та культовий науково-фантастичний фільм, знятий Джорджом Лукасом, перший за роком випуску, але хронологічно четвертий фільм кіносаги «Зоряні війни». "
"Star Wars episodi IV: Una nova esperança (títol original en anglès Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, coneguda en els seus inicis simplement com Star Wars en la seva versió original i com a La guerra de les galàxies en la seva versió en català)..."
"Star Wars Episode IV – A New Hope (Et Nytt Håp) er en amerikansk sciencefictionfilm fra 1977 av George Lucas. Filmen er den første Star Wars-filmen som ble laget, ..."
"جنگ‌های ستاره‌ای (به انگلیسی: Star Wars) که در ایران به نام جنگ ستارگان مشهور است، یک فیلم فانتزی ماجراجویانه محصول سال 1977 میلادی است. این فیلم اولین فیلم از سری فیلم‌های جنگ ستارگان است؛ هرچند که از نظر سیر زمان قسمت چهارم است. کارگردان و نویسنده فیلم نامه این فیلم، جرج لوکاس است. جنگ ستارگان بعدها دوباره، و این‌بار جنگ ستارگان قسمت چهارم: امیدی تازه (به انگلیسی: Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope) نام‌گذاری شد."

Gregkaye ✍♪ 09:40, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. The Star Wars Episode IV thing is fairly new. It was never commonly known as that on its release and I doubt whether it is even today. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:11, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Motion to postpone poll closing date I am requesting this poll closing date be postponed by another ten days from now since this issue seems to be raised a number of users on talk pages regarding the dubious claims that these movies were "later released as.." but seem to unaware of this poll. if it's closed within the next few days, it would not be considered a fair vote. Thanks.--Nadirali نادرالی (talk) 20:35, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
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– *Nomination and support I have no clue why on earth the previous consensuses decided to move these pages to what they are now. People claimed that nobody says "Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope" and rather instead say "Star Wars". That's just really odd to claim. I don't know how it has been when the original trilogy came out because I wasn't born during the original trilogy. However, I was born before the Phantom Menace came out. Trust me, many, many people refer to the films as "Star Wars Episode (whatever episode number): Subtitle". The official Star Wars website lists the names as so here. I am aware of the rebuttals at this in previous discussions, and that COMMON is preferred but there was no support for that statement that made sense. Google Trends and Google NGrams can't be used because when searching for Star Wars (because Star Wars (film) won't show up in any books) in Ngrams you'll get any books that mention the name Star Wars regardless of what episode. I am aware Google Trends allows you to search for Star Wars which is the default when searching for Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, but that's most likely influenced by Misplaced Pages itself as most Google Searches are. (Ever wonder why they include Misplaced Pages entries on the side?) It also just says 1977 film under it. And I have a bad feeling (no pun intended) that the term Star Wars, even when using the Star Wars (film), is giving results to Star Wars films that aren't just A New Hope. If you look at the Google Trend here, you'll see that the Star Wars term is skyrocketing in May 2005, when Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith came out. So... yeah... probably not talking about Episode IV. This graph from Google Trends, shows a strong result for Star Wars Episode IV A New Hope in May 2005 also. This graph, here, shows that the Empire Strikes Back is not as popular as the Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back term. It also, as a search term alone, appears dominate (except for the fall off in the month of Feb 2015 which is still quite young) here shows a dominate use of the full title. Anyways, so that's basically my input and reasoning for the move of the Star Wars films. Other films, such as Raiders of the Lost Ark default on Google Trends to Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark as seen here. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 02:55, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

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