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Cleaned up the Sam Sloan article

Bill:

This is AWM. I noticed that your version of the Sam Sloan page got an NPOV tag and I have done my best to help it get to be more NPOV and I removed the NPOV tag. My mentor on this, months ago, was User:Jnc. Jnc is a good guy. The basic philosophy is that just about every historical person has enemies and is notorious about something, so unless there were a lot of newpaper articles by professional reporters about being "notorious", then the label of notorious is crap and gets deleted (it is basically viewed as a soap opera and ignored by History). So does all the judgmental stuff. I do not think that I removed any fact about what Sam did that was already in the article. What you get is a compromise: neither you nor Sam might love it exactly, but you might both be able to agree on it.

From my point of view, anyone who has been to Sam's web site, or watched his videos, knows that he loves to joke in the style of Baron von Munchhausen. It does not help his credibility, but it seems to me that these days he only asks to be taken seriously about his knowlege of chess, Pakistan and politics. You and I both know that his current love life is his private matter until he makes it otherwise.

I am a non-custodial father (one daughter) and was sympathetic to Sam's label of kidnapping. I still disagree with Sam's losing custody or Shamema, but I felt a little betrayed when I finally read Judge Go's account, which was much more fair. Still, it has not turned me off to Sam, but I have started to take his stories in carefully controlled doses. You might want to try that technique also.

If you want to provide feedback, try amorrow@earthlink.net, or just use Talk:Sam Sloan. 172.196.184.32 02:53, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

I'll make comments here. They're public, but the locale is a bit less inflammatory.

"Notorious" was not me, IIRC--I've said much worse about him :-) would be happy to cop to that. Lots of foax, incidentally, don't seem to be aware of the pejorative connotation.

I would not care whether Sloan slept w/ three different women every night; might even send him a letter of commendation. It's the obsession with minors that's problematic: Google "japanese virgins"; one of his pages s/b in the top five hits. Or check out these curious deploymentsof Pokémon, his stated interest in these pages, and (the thing that really really irks me, because I have no objection to porn in itself), the mixing of soft porn and kid-friendly links on these pages. (Since you're a father like me, you may be aware of how popular Pokémon was a few years ago....) Or consider the Burmeseprostitute of junior high school age with whom Sloan implies sexual relations (that's statutory rape in Thailand as well as here). Sloan's allies deny the charge, but Sloan is silent. There's more that I'd be prepared to go into in a courtroom that I'm not willing to discuss publicly....

Further, if one grants the logical conclusion of the above, one might reasonably ask me, "why bother?" He's relatively old, and AFAIK even the alleged relations w/ minors involved an economic transaction. This is how Sloan ignores the love life of others: in this case, members of the Board of the U.S. Chess Federation. More to say, but it's late... Billbrock 08:39, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Someone who wishes not to post to this board sent me this email taking issue with the above (quoting one of several points):

The Burmese thing: I agree that he had some stuff on his web site
that should not be there, but it is mostly talking about what seems
to be pretty old stuff. This whole thing of the USA treating child
prostitution as a crime against humanity is a fairly recent
development. If "sex vacations" or whatever are legal or the laws in
the other country are poorly enforced (thus no extradition
proceedings are started), it is hard to get really worked up about
it. Look at it this way: if that girl is an active prostitute, the
trick she turned for Sam did not really start her down that
pathway. It is sickening, but perhaps it is best left as a local
issue to that country.

Hmm: what then if there were other prostitutes whose first customer was Mr. Sloan? Let's not forget Daa and Lim. Billbrock 17:38, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't think additional criminal charges against Sloan are appropriate; I don't think a celebration of this conduct is appropriate, either.... Billbrock 17:55, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Are you from Shamokin?

Mr Brock are you from Shamokin? Coal Region? Thanks Scott 23:01, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Isn't everybody? Stan Coveleski, Jimmy Dorsey....

I thought Dorsey was from Shennandoah? That's what the old timers told me, Ella Fitzgerald born in Pottsville? Well I guess not...Getting late here, Catch up with you possibly tomorrow? Cheers and regards Scott 01:19, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Dorsey born Shen., but lived in Mt. Carmel. I cheated.

Massachusetts compromise

The article has been rewritten based on the research you did. Please check it out and reconsider your AfD vote. Thanks. howcheng 21:39, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

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Out of curiousity: why did I get this notice? Billbrock 03:12, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

I did not post this. I realize that it looks like I posted this, but I did not. Perhaps there is a fake Sam Sloan around here too. Sam Sloan 04:04, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh. I didn't bother to look at the history. :-) Would a hypothetical child be better off in custody of hypothetical drug dealers? Perhaps. Interesting question to be explored in amicus briefs. Billbrock 09:30, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Your war with Sam Sloan

I highly suggest you refrain from editing the Sam Sloan article, especially if your contributions are going to be on the level of . The category is for convicted pedophiles, just as Category:Rapists is for convicted rapists (you have no idea how many times people have tried to put Kobe Bryant in there). You need to stop bringing your outside feud into Misplaced Pages. If this escalates, I'll have to block both of you for disrupting the community (think of it as a time out), and I would rather not have to. Calling him a pedophile serves no purpose. As WP:NPA states, "Comment on content, not on the contributor. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users." If you feel his edits violate policy, state how and limit your comments to policy only. Given what I've seen of his contributions, most editors will likely agree with you. Regards, howcheng {chat} 17:06, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. I knew I was stepping over the level of the acceptable, but I was tired of watching him use WP to defame others. Fighting fire with fire is appropriate in some contexts, but not the present one. Mea culpa. Billbrock 05:18, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


RFM

Hello, are you still interested in mediation? Please reply at my talk page. Redwolf24 (talk) 02:07, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Dispute between Sam Sloan and Howcheng

I have opened a dispute before the Arbitration Committee regarding his blanking of the Tom Dorsch Article at your request.

It is at http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#User:Sam_Sloan_against_User:Howcheng_regarding_Tom_Dorsch

You are invited to respond. Sam Sloan 18:26, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Sam Sloan announcement

"I did not 'attempt' to post 100 chess biographies on Misplaced Pages. I did post 100 chess biographies on Misplaced Pages. All but one of them is still there. I merely waited until Ralf Callenberg, Paul Rubin and Louis Blair were not looking and reposted them. I added a new biography yesterday and no I am not going to tell you where it is for fear that they will vandalize it again." - Sam Sloan (samhsloan@gmail.com, NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.199.110.255, 11 Jul 2006 05:23:13 -0700) http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.chess.misc/msg/f245a0650c22f010?hl=en - Louis Blair (July 11, 2006)

"My Biography of Dimitrije Bjelica" - Sam Sloan (sloan@ishipress.com, NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.199.110.255, Sun, 16 Jul 2006 19:09:34 GMT) http://groups.google.com/group/samsloan/msg/eefc91bb2aeda9d0?hl=en http://en.wikipedia.org/Dimitrije_Bjelica - Louis Blair (July 19, 2006)