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I am often busy in that "real life" of which you may have read.

Blocks are the most serious things we can do: they prevent users from interacting with Misplaced Pages. Block reviews are urgent. Unless I say otherwise in the block message on the user's talk page, I am happy for any uninvolved admin to unblock a user I have blocked, provided that there is good evidence that the problem that caused the block will not be repeated. All I ask is that you leave a courtesy note here and/or on WP:ANI, and that you are open to re-blocking if I believe the problem is not resolved - in other words, you can undo the block, but if I strongly feel that the issue is still live, you re-block and we take it to the admin boards. The same applies in spades to blocks with talk page access revoked. You are free to restore talk page access of a user for whom I have revoked it, unless it's been imposed or restored following debate on the admin boards.

User:DGG also has my permission to undelete or unprotect any article I have deleted and/or salted, with the same request to leave a courtesy note, and I'll rarely complain if any uninvolved admin does this either, but there's usually much less urgency about an undeletion so I would prefer to discuss it first - or ask DGG, two heads are always better than one. I may well add others in time, DGG is just one person with whom I frequently interact whose judgment I trust implicitly.

Any WP:BLP issue which requires you to undo an admin action of mine, go right ahead, but please post it immediately on WP:AN or WP:ANI for review.

The usual definition of uninvolved applies: you're not currently in an argument with me, you're not part of the original dispute or an editor of the affected article... you know. Apply WP:CLUE. Guy (Help!) 20:55, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

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Which policy did MyMyTang violate that warranted a block? . (Note per WP:ANYUSER there's no minimum requirements to comment on the Administrator boards.) If there is no violation please unblock them forthwith. Also per strike or redact the description of the editor as dramawhore, per the recent arbcom finding, which explains Administrators are expected to behave respectfully and civilly in their interactions with others. This requirement is not lessened by perceived or actual shortcomings in the conduct of others. NE Ent 03:23, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Please provide links and diffs. Thanks. Jehochman 05:08, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Check the contribution history. This is either a sock puppet or one of the legion of drama-only accounts that have made the Gamergate farrago so toxic. It's not about where the edits are, it's about users whose only interest is continuing a long-term pattern of widespread trolling against anyone who dares to support the consensus view. We simply do not need people who are here solely to push that particular PoV. They are a massive time sink. That said, see the note at top. I do not assert that my view is Received Truth. I do assert that if the rules stop me improving the encyclopaedia, I have the right to ignore them - or, as in thus case, short cut the inevitable.

I do not support either side, I support the consensus of independent sources as currently described in the article. It would be the same with any editor appearing to stir up shit about climate change, evolution or homeopathy on the drama boards with fewer than 50 edits to their name. Sock puppet or meat puppet makes no odds. Guy (Help!) 07:04, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

This block is as bad as the one on DarknessSavior, if not worse. —Xezbeth (talk) 07:19, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

I have no idea who that is. I see someone who came here solely to promote the idea that conduct described in pretty much every reliable independent source as harassment, is somehow not harassment and should be facilitated by Wikipdia. And this in a context where rather a lot of people have colluded off -wiki and then piled in with little or no prior history, to fan the flames. Sure, people are upset that the real world doesn't think much of what they have done. Not our problem, and I'll thank you for not continuing to try to make it so. Guy (Help!) 07:27, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

If you don't even know who that is, then I don't understand how you can accuse this user of trolling. Is disagreeing with the majority opinion a blockworthy offence now? It's an interesting way to build consensus I suppose. —Xezbeth (talk) 08:11, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

I actively don't care about the individuals who have been involved in the Gamergate farrago in the past. As far as I can see, very few of them have covered themselves in glory. However, this is a user with fewer than 50 edits, all of which seem to be meta discussions around Gamergate. You compare this with DarknessSavior (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). That's pretty silly. DarknessSavior has been editing since 2012 and has numerous mainspace edits. I have made no attempt to evaluate their quality, but there is a clear and obvious difference between a long-term content contributor and someone with less than 50 edits, pretty much all engaging in drama debates.

Not only is this extremely unlikely to be a genuinely new user, it is also precisely the kind of person we do not need right now. It is very clear that a significant number of people have come to Misplaced Pages solely to engage in this drama. The drama can only be resolved by ordinary Wikipedians doing the ordinary things that Wikipedians do (fact-checking, copyediting and so on). These new editors are not equipped to help maintain a neutral article even if they wanted to, and since most seem to perceive their own bias as neutrality, I see little reason to think that is going to change. I welcome new editors to Misplaced Pages, as long as they contribute productively to actual content and don't immediately pile in to prolonging a toxic mess. I have been reading up on the background, but deliberately ignoring names. I have also read some external summaries and the sourced article we currently have, which accurately reflects other analyses. We now have a neutral article. It needs care and attention, not single-purpose advocacy accounts. I give any uninvolved admin carte blanche to unblock if they think I am wrong (one is not required to be infallible in order to wield the mop), but I am firmly of the view that we do not need that kind of input. And by the way, I think TyTyMang is almost certainly a very nice and sincere person, many of those whipped into the fray by the egregiously inaccurate reports on Reddit and elsewhere undoubtedly do sincerely think they are helping. But they aren't. They are acting as meatpuppets for Gamergaters, which is as welcome here as acting as a meatpuppet for a creationist or a climate change denier. Accidental or not, this is contributing to a toxic atmosphere on Misplaced Pages and giving the impression that we are hostile to women and minorities. If they care about Misplaced Pages they need to walk away. If they don't, they need to be ejected forcibly.

TL;DR version: any editor who has no history outside of Gamergate and related drama, should find some other area to edit, or leave. Guy (Help!) 12:35, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Where is the documentation / evidence of the so-called "long standing consensus"? . NE Ent 12:51, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

I have no opinion on why the person was blocked. However, I've no idea why you thought it appropriate to refer to anyone as a 'drama whore'. Let's keep things WP:CIVIL shall we? Regardless of the other person's behaviour. Panyd 16:11, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

I already dealt with that. NE Ent: see WP:SOCK under meatpuppetry. We do not draw a distinction between use of multiple accounts and multiple editors pursuing an identical agenda in collusion. And now I think we're done. Let the user appeal, I am happy to stand back and let others make the call. My personal view is that the time for extending indefinite tolerance to those coming here to Right Great Wrongs is past. This dispute has consumed the Misplaced Pages community for months and right now it is very plain that the Gamergaters (and presumably the radfems) are all up for another round. In the mean time, we have finally achieved a half-decent article, and it would be good to beat off the circling mosquitoes and concentrate on making it tighter and better still. Guy (Help!) 17:23, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

The question is, who is trying to Right Great Wrongs, people that civilly discuss changes and decisions made or WP:INVOLVED admins claiming there are no two sides to an article explicitly labeled as a controversy that say things like "if the rules stop me improving the encyclopaedia, I have the right to ignore them" and refer to other editors as "drama whores" and "circling mosquitoes" while blocking them without regard to policy because they're apparently "the kind of users not needed right now"? 79.247.127.58 (talk) 19:43, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

The problem with this article has been civil POV-pushing by an endless succession of "new" or "returning" editors. That burns out those who attempt to police neutrality. As we saw. Guy (Help!) 21:58, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

• I get it, I really do, but I have unblocked them. Preemtive blocking is not really a thing. It may turn out you were right but that we just don't do things that way. Also, if you want to topic ban someone from gamergate stuff the proper way to do it is to file at WP:AE,see new remarks below Beeblebrox (talk) 19:21, 3 February 2015 (UTC) and I think you will find they are not exactly soft on misbehavior over there.

Bottom line: I consider this a procedural unblock only, and I have made it clear to them that this should not be considered an endorsement of their editing. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:42, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Fine. Guy (Help!) 21:58, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

What I dont get is why you thought blocking a user pre-emptively with no valid reason and then calling the user a "drama whore" would prevent drama instead of inflaming it. Gamergate is pretty much solely fueled on Streisand effect. By blocking someone premptively (and someone who was protesting about pre-emptive blocking of others at that) and attacking them you've probably drawn even more people into the fray. Your actions got 721 UPVOTES on the Gamergate subreddit, and were on its front page for all of yesterday. So the purpose of your block has pretty much completely backfired. On a side note, I find it amazing that admins calling editors they're blocking dramawhores is treated as such casual a misdemeanor. Bosstopher (talk) 13:12, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

• As you can see I have stricken part of my remark. Somehow I forgot the way discretionary sanctions work after only a week of being off the committee. Any admin may invoke them if they see a user acting disrutively. So instead of blocking and then demanding a topic ban in return for an unblock you could have issued the topic ban and if they violated it then you go to AE for an enforcement block. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:21, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

I ready the ArbCom case. If you adopt the approach of waiting until each "new" WP:SPA has exhausted the patience of the community before showing them the door, you will never see the end of it. This would not be a problem if it weren't for the fact that we are already pretty much out of people who want to go anywhere near that toxic mess, while there is no shortage of people to whom it is vitally important to rewrite history in their favour, because the consensus of independent sources makes them look like spoilt children.

I understand Reddit has already pitched in, and no doubt the usual griefers will be right along. Guess what? That's one more admin who's going to shrug and say "fuck this for a game". Never mind, it's someone else's problem now, I have nothing more to say on the matter. Guy (Help!) 21:16, 4 February 2015 (UTC)