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Please comment on Template talk:Prostitution in Canada

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Lightning in a tropical cyclone

I've closed the longstanding RFD for Lightning in a tropical cyclone as no consensus with an unusually detailed rationale. Basically, nobody wanted to keep it, but there wasn't consensus on what to do, so I've taken a bold step of un-redirecting it and immediately sending it to AFD to get input from people who don't often show up at RFD. I'd really appreciate your input at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Lightning in a tropical cyclone, where I've given a strong suggestion that people pick between the RFD-favored steps of deletion or retargeting to lightning. I'm attempting to notify everyone who participated in the RFD (that's BDD, Ivanvector, Inks.LWC, Guy1890, Steel1943, and Thryduulf), but if I missed someone, please do the notification for me. Nyttend (talk) 18:46, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Regarding User:IvanVector

Hey Ivanvector,

Just wanted to give you a heads-up that I tagged User:IvanVector for speedy deletion criterion U2. If you want to make sure that "IvanVector" is always associated with you in regards to its spelling, there's a couple of options that I know that you can do:

1. Go to Special:CreateAccount while logged in as this account to create User:IvanVector so that it is associated with your current account. Then, you can either reinstate the redirect to target your page, it possibly utilize tagging the page with {{Doppelganger}}, or:
2. Request that your username be changed to "IvanVector" via Misplaced Pages:Changing username/Simple since that name currently doesn't belong to any other editor.

Hope this helps! Steel1943 (talk) 20:13, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips, and that's fine if the capital-V redirect gets deleted. I did try some time ago to create the "IvanVector" user account but the system blocked it, I don't remember why exactly but I assume it has to do with case-non-sensitivity, so I created the redirect instead. My username is what I always intended, and I've been here six years without the absence of that redirect being an issue. Cheers! Ivanvector (talk) 21:57, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

No rant required

Ivanvector, from the outset I thought the action 'ill-advised', but well intended. For that reason (on my part), no rant is required.Pincrete (talk) 16:58, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

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"The Raven" in MOS

Thanks for the revert. Yes, I thought somebody had typed in the lines and misspelled "visitor", but then I went to The Raven and saw the spelling there, tracked it back to the cited source, and found what you already knew... and then spread the word about the word, so to speak. --Thnidu (talk) 01:20, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

RFD help

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Hi, i just explicitly requested to you, within the ongoing RFD about wp:KAFFEEKLATSCH redirects, that you remove the tag(s) you added to the wp:kaffeeklatsch redirect. It's bringing the RFD off-topic, if it has to be discussed more, so I'll try here. Seriously, i do appreciate your adding the soft redirect to the top of the RFD, and your trying to help. But, it is undermining the usefulness of the soft redirect example, if it is tagged. It makes it look bad and does not show what users would see if the soft redirect is kept. It is actually interfering with the RFD, imo, though I assume you do not intend that. I'll watch here, hope to keep this side discussion out of the RFD itself as much as possible. I hope you could just remove the tag and briefly indicate you've done so at the RFD, in response to my request. sincerely --doncram 04:25, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for removing it. Mousing over it, I now see exactly: "Kaffeeklatsch: a user-space place for women to get together, hear, and support each other. This is a soft redirect. This is a redirect from a page outside the user namespace to a user" and then it is cut off. I gather from your statements that you see "nothing" or something different. Perhaps your settings are different than mine. Anyhow, thanks for allowing me and probably others to see the intended message again now. --doncram 15:14, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Cool, I don't often get edit conflicts on my own talk page. The template should be there, because it's proper procedure to notify editors who come across the redirect that it's being discussed, and there are templates and scripts that depend on it. Popups ignores the template (and other Xfd templates) and previews the page below the code. It's not showing what you think it should because soft redirects are not interpreted as redirects by the script, and it can't load the target page to preview. But I have removed it anyway so you can see what it looks like. I'm still not sure what the other error is caused by, you don't need any special permissions to create redirects.

(edit conflict)Please put "currently under discussion notice back. It is part of the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 February 12#Misplaced Pages:KAFFEEKLATSCH and is listed at the top as such, so your removal of the notice is wrong and interferes with those editors that are working on maintenance categories.

Also, that redirect is incorrectly placed in a hidden category that refers to project pages. Nothing about Lightbreather's subpage nor that redirect to it has anything to do with a project. Please correct your mistakes. EChastain (talk) 15:47, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Please see my comment directly below - you've already added the Rfd template back and I'm not going to revert. The {{R to user namespace}} template has nothing to do with project pages. It only indicates that the redirect goes to a page in user space from a redirect that is not in user space (i.e. categorizing cross-namespace redirects). Ivanvector (talk) 16:26, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

As for what you see now, maybe we are using different popup scripts, or maybe it works differently in different browsers. I see just the title of the page, and some stats. Normal redirects usually show the title of the redirect, followed by "redirects to" and then the title and content from the target. Anyway I won't add the template back, but someone else might. Ivanvector (talk) 15:21, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Don't fiddle with talk page comments of other editors, especially removing them to a whole different place

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See WP:Talk_page guidelines#Editing comments. In fact, I think it would be good if you read the whole WP:Talk page guidelines. What you just did is very forbidden. EChastain (talk) 18:01, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Please assume good faith. The discussion has to do with the redirect; it belongs on the redirect's talk page. I have left appropriate notices to notify any users coming here that the discussion is on the talk page, and I have left appropriate notices at the talk page to indicate that the discussion originated here. Please also see the note at the top of this page which reads "If I think your comment is about an article I may move it there and leave a note here saying I did so." I did not modify your comments but, per WP:BLANKING, I am entitled to do so. I'll ask you to consider whether continuing this thread falsely accusing me of wrongdoing is productive in any way, or if you have any more comments about the redirect, please see the discussion at the redirect's talk. Other users have already commented there. Ivanvector (talk) 18:12, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

@EChastain: I have reverted your edit which added a duplicate of your talk page comments here, which are already preserved in the archived discussion above. You can do what you like with your comments elsewhere, but placing duplicates here is disruptive, and I am asking you per WP:NOBAN to stop immediately. Ivanvector (talk) 18:22, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) (talk page stalker) @EChastain: I completely disagree with your opinion of Ivanvector's actions to move the discussion to the proper talk page, as well as your interpretation of Misplaced Pages:Talk page guidelines. In no way did Ivanvector change the intent or the meaning of your comments that were posted here; on the contrary, Ivanvector moved the discussion to the proper talk page so that it gets proper exposure. In fact, the edit you performed above is a violation of WP:TPO, and the fact that you removed part of the discussion after it was moved makes Ivanvector's response appear broken, in addition to you breaking your own signature timestamp in the process. Like Ivanvector, I try my best to assume good faith as well, but your recent actions/edits and the comment that started this section make it very difficult for me personally to believe that you meant these actions in good faith. Steel1943 (talk) 18:25, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

• I apologise for my mistake noted above by Steel943. It was done in good faith as was my suggestion that Ivanvector read WP:Talkpage guidelines.
• You're entitled to blank, but not to move my comments to Misplaced Pages talk:Kaffeeklatsch, as you did. I will take this to ANI if you do this again. EChastain (talk) 18:27, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

• @EChastain: I highly recommend that you read WP:BOOMERANG; If you file that report, the effect of WP:BOOMERANG is bound to happen to you. Steel1943 (talk) 18:30, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

quote from WP:Talkpage guidelines

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Never edit or move someone's comment to change its meaning, even on your own talk page. Striking text constitutes a change in meaning, and should only be done by the user who wrote it or someone acting at their explicit request.

Cautiously editing or removing another editor's comments is sometimes allowed, but normally you should stop if there is any objection. If you make anything more than minor changes it is good practice to leave a short explanatory note such as "". end quote ~~~~ ~~~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by EChastain (talk • contribs) 18:38, 14 February 2015‎ (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) @EChastain: But Ivanvector didn't do what you are claiming they did in the quote above. From what I see, Ivanvector just moved the entire discussion to the related talk page. I would recommend dropping the stick so that the discussions regarding the nominated redirects can continue without these discussions about policy misunderstandings continuing. Steel1943 (talk) 18:44, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

I've removed my comments from the talkpage Ivanvector moved them to. I advise him never to do such a thing again. I'll drop the stick here. But I don't think either of you is correct. EChastain (talk) 18:49, 14 February 2015 (UTC)