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"Religion = None (atheist)" or "Religion = Jewish atheist"?

Surely, as "Jewish atheism" is an article on Misplaced Pages, and as Mr. Miliband refers to himself as such (as stated later on in the article), then shouldn't this be changed? Or is there a specific Misplaced Pages policy on this which I have not read yet? – Jordan Hooper _(contribs) 20:49, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

There is no evidence whatsoever that Miliband adheres to any form of atheism specific to people of Jewish descent. Concluding that he does would constitute original research. And incidentally, no form of atheism can be described as a religion. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:54, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

(from the article)

"Miliband is of Jewish heritage—the first Jewish leader of the Labour Party—and describes himself as a Jewish atheist."

and the source given from the telegraph includes his quotation: "I have a particular faith, I describe myself as a Jewish atheist. " (emphasis added)

I'm pretty sure someone saying that they are a Jewish atheist is sufficient 'evidence' for the case of them being so. It's not trying to claim that atheism is a religion by any means, but Jewish atheism is a separate thing from atheism alone, otherwise there would not be a separate Misplaced Pages article on the subject. Why is this not mentioned in the infobox? – Jordan Hooper _(contribs) 21:08, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Or if it would be better, "Religion = None (Jewish atheist)" – Jordan Hooper _(contribs) 21:15, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

The fact that Misplaced Pages has an article on 'Jewish atheism' is neither here nor there - we do not cite Misplaced Pages as a source. As for what Miliband said, he describes himself as a 'Jewish atheist' certainly - but isn't an assertion that he adheres to a specific form of (non)belief known as 'Jewish atheism' - if such a thing actually exists. He is certainly Jewish by descent, and an atheist - but his self-description tells us nothing more than that. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:27, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Remove the wikilink to "Jewish atheist" in the "personal life" section of the article then. – Jordan Hooper _(contribs) 13:25, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

The religious views are still "none (atheist)". Jewish atheist is not a special type of view; it describes a cultural and/or ethic affinity with Judaism despite being an atheist.Zythe (talk) 14:15, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

I fail to understand this edit because we know that reliable sources support that Miliband is both a Jew and an atheist: "There was no religion at home and Mr Miliband confirmed for the first time that he is an atheist. "Obviously I'm Jewish, it is part of my identity, but not in a religious sense. I don't wish I had had a more religious upbringing but I have Jewish friends who were part of the Jewish community growing up, going to Jewish youth clubs and other things. I think I felt slightly jealous." Bus stop (talk) 13:21, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, Miliband is Jewish. Yes he is an atheist. These are two different things. We don't Refer to the Archbishop of Canterbury as an 'English Anglican' in the infobox for his biography. The infobox section is labelled 'religion', and accordingly should contain information about his faith (or in this case non-faith), and not extraneous detail added solely by people self-evidently obsessed with getting the label 'Jew' into every infobox they can. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:11, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

In my opinion we should simply be reporting what reliable sources say. The London Evening Standard reports that Miliband states that he is Jewish and an atheist. Bus stop (talk) 18:38, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

As far as Misplaced Pages is concerned, the appropriate source for matters of faith (or lack of faith) is the person himself - "Obviously I'm Jewish, it is part of my identity, but not in a religious sense". In a 'religious sense' he doesn't identify with the Jewish faith. Though evidently your obsessive-compulsive addiction to tagging people as Jewish whenever possible (which you claimed to have stopped following) won't let little facts like the opinion of the man himself get in your way. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:48, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Jennifer Lipman (26 September 2010). "Ed Miliband is Labour's first Jewish leader". The Jewish Chronicle. Archived from the original on 28 September 2010. Retrieved 20 November 2013. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
Howard Jacobson (5 October 2012). "I'm Jewish. Ed Miliband is Jewish. We're all Jewish. So maybe Britain is One Nation, after all". The Independent. Archived from the original on 8 October 2012. Retrieved 20 November 2013. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
Steven Swinford (12 April 2014). "Ed Miliband's hope to be 'Britain's first Jewish PM'". The Telegraph. I have a particular faith, I describe myself as a Jewish atheist. I'm Jewish by birth origin and it's part of who I am. I don't believe in God, but I think faith is a really important thing for a lot of people. It provides nourishment, a faith about how you change the world.
Bright, Martin (4 November 2010). "Ed Miliband: Hamas, Ken Livingstone and Jewish values". The Jewish Chronicle. London. Archived from the original on 13 November 2010. My Jewish identity was such a substantial part of my upbringing that it informs what I am {{cite news}}: |archive-date= / |archive-url= timestamp mismatch; 30 June 2009 suggested (help); Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

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