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Vandalism?????

I have eddited no pages. I dont know what you are talking about I'm sorry

I am the copy write holder

For your information I am the copywrite holder for CHOSA. But I will leave the artical as minimal as possible.

JP cartoon "victims"

Since you've warned to block me indefinitely should I recreate the page in any fashion, I'd like to ask you, whether you'd agree if I'd follow Joes advice and use his title for my page. If you wish, I'll blank out the names of the admins as well. Can you live with that? Raphael1 00:17, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Please let me explain, why I feel the need to make this list: This list would point out the results, when administrators enforce Februarys poll results by blocking editors who ignore those polls. I don't like those consequences, and they are actually in conflict with WP:NBD

In order to reach the best possible decisions, we hold it important to listen carefully to each other's arguments, and to try to find mutually acceptable solutions in conflicts. Polls are the exception and not the rule, and where they do exist they are not binding.

and WP:CON

Precise numbers for "supermajority" are hard to establish, and Misplaced Pages is not a majoritarian democracy, so simple vote-counting should never be the key part of the interpretation of a debate. When supermajority voting is used, it should be seen as a process of 'testing' for consensus, rather than reaching consensus. The stated outcome is the best judgment of the facilitator, often an admin. If there is strong disagreement with the outcome from the Misplaced Pages community, it is clear that consensus has not been reached.

Do you have any suggestion for an inoffensive title for the list? Raphael1 02:09, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

May I regard your silence as consent? How about the title "Consequences of enforcing Februarys poll results"? Raphael1 12:54, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

usernameblock

Hi Zoe, how do I report a possible {{usernameblock} candidate? It's User:Ricardo Lagos (former Chilean president). He has been editing Ricardo Lagos, engaged on vandalism and personal attacks agaist another user who warned him. Regards, E Asterion 00:52, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Ricardo Lagos has been repeatedly vandalizing, and when I reverted his massive vandalism, he tried to add it to BJAODN. If he's up to it again, it's time for him to be blocked. User:Zoe| 01:49, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. An admin blocked him for now. I found him funnily disturbing. There are some weird people out there...E Asterion 08:55, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for the trust that you had in me when you supported my Request for Adminship. The nomination ended successfully and I am actually overwhelmed by the support that I received. Thanks again! -- Kim van der Linde 07:07, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

3 rv rule redirect.

Sorry. I just thought it would be easier to go to this page that way. If it is causing problems or i have done something wrong, please delete it. I was just trying to find the three revert rule page as a person has been vandalising the autism and aspergers pages, amongst others. Actually can you do anything about them. They are from IP 70.142.153.51 Simply south 20:57, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I will try WP:3RR in future. Thanks for the shortcut. I must remember that when creating redirects, not to do them to pages with Misplaced Pages at the start or other such pages. Simply south 21:07, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Your proposed deletion of my first entry to Misplaced Pages :The res3ia Enigma

Hi there

Could you enlighten me as to what exactly is wrong with my entry. Having used Misplaced Pages for some time, I thought I would make a contribution of my own, only to discover that you had recommended it for deletion within moments.

science_watch

Your article Porto-Novo

Hi, I have recieved an email from a reader about the article Porto-Novo. He noticed that article looks a lot like this article. Even more when your compare it with the the first version of the Misplaced Pages version. According that website the text of Porto-Novo comes from the "The Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia". You seem to be creator of that article. Do you know how this can be? Greetings, --Walter 22:50, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I've never heard of allrefer.com, so I know I didn't copy it from there. This article was created in my earliest days on Misplaced Pages, but I really do not remember where the informatin came from. I'm sure I got it from several different online sites, the Columbia Encyclopedia may have been one of them, but I don't think I would have copied it verbatim. I honestly do not remember my source. Do you want to rewrite it? Or else I can, if you think it needs to be. User:Zoe| 20:45, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

When you compare the first version of Porto-Novo with the version of Porto-Novo from the Columbia Encyclopedia is clear the are almost the same. Only the Misplaced Pages-version is a redused version.

I think tr best way to resolve this if you would make a new article from scrach. Posibly a stub. And when that is done delete the article and directly restore it again with only the last edits of the history. Problem gone. --Walter 22:38, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Would this be a copyright problem concerning the other edits that have been done since my first version? User:Zoe| 22:42, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

The original version of the article is copyrighted by the Columbia Encyclopedia. All versions after that from the same source are also illegal. The current article is using a free licence while it has not right to be under the GNU/FDL. If you prefer I can use the VFD-procedure. I have contacted you directly to avoid that so it can be arranged more discretely. --Walter 21:11, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm not trying to duck any responsibility, I just wanted to make sure that there would be no problems in doing as you suggest. I will take care of it, I just have to do some research. But as long as there are no copyright issues involved in deleting it and starting fresh, I will do so. User:Zoe| 21:13, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Could you take a look at User:Zoe/Porto-Novo and let me know what you think? User:Zoe| 02:46, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

The EN wikipedia is not my home-wiki. I can not guaranty that if you do that you do not get complaints/problems about it. If you are not sure you should use the VFD-procedure or whatever procedure there is to deal with copyright problems.

The new version looks very good. --Walter 08:35, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Deletion_review#User:Raphael1/Wikiethics

Since you previously showed interest in the former proposed policy Wikiethics, I'd like to inform you about this deletion review. Raphael1 15:01, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

mayo, deletion

riiiiight. sorry, now i get it. i'll come back when america knows who i am.

why can't i make a page about myself or people i know if its true?

Because we don't know if it's true. Please read WP:OR. Thanks for trying to help. --mboverload@ 23:59, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

AlternC and ASM.....and cPanel and Plesk

I'm a student at Umass Lowell, and I work for The Community Software Lab-->CSL I'm unsure as to why you deleted my pages for AlternC and ASM on account of advertising... They are extensions of Control panel(Web hosting) please tell me why the content is wrong, and the difference between my pages and cPanel and Plesk thank you.

Manny 03:43, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Please Advise

Haizum 04:02, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Wheel War

You do realize a wheel war requires more than one action? The fact is the block was ridiculous. If I went around blocking everyone for a week every time they told me I was stupid or abusive or didn't deserve to be an admin because I blocked over an edit war, there would be hundereds of people blocked each week in that manner. He was asked several times to reduce the block and after 2 days, decided another 8 would be enough. 10 days for what? Please review the situation before jumping on someone for a non-existant wheel war. Shell 12:21, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Hawthorne Caballeros Drum and Bugle Corps

Why would you have deleted this page? It was empty but at least it was a start. --JimBurnell 20:43, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

OK, I'm still a newbie for Misplaced Pages, so I'm not sure whether our conversation should be on your talk page or on mine. In any case, yes, the content that you mentioned was vandalism, but not grounds for deleting the entire article. It was empty but it was a framework to be filled in later at least. Is there a way to resurrect it? --JimBurnell 20:44, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Request for Arbitration re: Raphael1

Hello Zoe, you may want to add yourself to this request for arbitration begun by User:Cyde after User:Raphael1 recreated his infamous list (and left Cyde and Pegasus1138's names in a historical version). Netscott 02:32, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Zoe, it's good to see your participation on this ArbCom case. One thing that I'm not seeing in the arbitration statements is a link to the WP:ANI discussion concerning User:Raphael1's block for spamming and activities concerning the deletion of his original "hit" list. You might want to add that and "exhausting the community's patience" to your statement just for clarity's sake. Cheers. Netscott 17:33, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

You issued me a temporary block? You've never blocked me before our unfortunate missunderstanding regarding the title of my user page. See Raphael1 17:35, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

User:NoseNuggets

I was typing a message but got conflicted by a pagemove vandal. Anyhow, the above user has again been blocked for disruption to current sports events. Do you believe arbitration should be filed? RFC's not produced any results, as I'm sure you know. NSLE _(T+C) at 08:17 UTC (2006-06-08)

Should we file it now, or give him one last chance to change his ways after his most recent block? NSLE _(T+C) at 10:39 UTC (2006-06-09)

Just as you typed that, I blocked him a further 48 hours for resuming his bad habits. ;) NSLE _(T+C) at 16:15 UTC (2006-06-09)

Sigh... quote an email he sent me:

Go take a look at the past sports pages (since February) and see that recaps are italicized. If you don't like it, shove it up your mothrerfucking ass.

NSLE _(T+C) at 05:22 UTC (2006-06-10)

Apologies for insinuating myself into this discussion. An RfAR might be necessary, inasmuch as NN, concomitant to his valuable edits, disrupts certain sports-related pages significantly; I'm honestly not certain that we can characterize the net effect of his contributions as constructive. I must say that I'm genuinely surprised at the incivility of his reply to NSLE; I always thought that his ostensible intransigence stemmed primarily from ignorance of policy and an inability properly to understand the entreaties others made to him on his talk page and at the RfC, but it seems that he well understands that many of his edits are unencyclopedic and simply doesn't care. His unwillingness to collaborate or to listen to the suggestions of others is most unfortunate and leads one to wonder whether he properly appreciates the nature of the project. Joe 05:40, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Arbcom discussion

Hi Zoe. It seems others are commenting too. There doesn't seem to be a formal talk page related to the case yet; could you please point me to the rules about this? — JEREMY 02:07, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I see; fair enough. Given there's nowhere else for me to clarify the situation re. the GA rules, however, I'll leave the comment as is and hope the clerks refactor it appropriately. — JEREMY 02:15, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Vlad III Dracula

It was the real person. The Wookieepedian 18:18, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

• I haven't actually seen the episode in question, as it isn't currently available on home video, but the IMDb lists the real person. I'm not sure how this is either, but he apparently appears in an episode entitled "Transylvania, January 1918". The Wookieepedian 18:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Fir0002's sig

Just to let you know he did remove the external link as soon as I pointed it out at the start of the RFA (see User_talk:Fir0002#Questions). Petros471 21:04, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Raphael1

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Raphael1. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Raphael1/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Raphael1/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Johnleemk | Talk 11:33, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Same here... what vandalism?

Hello, My ISP switched my ip 2-3 days ago.... (stupid dynamic ip...) oh well, when did this incident happen? Was it an anonymous edit? Note: I haven't "logged" on to wikipedia for several months... heres your message:

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. User:Zoe|(talk) 03:59, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Cheers, Ryan

Article Un-redirect

If an article went on Afd and consensus was to redirect to another article, what's the best place to go for a user afterwards to get the page reinstated? For deleted pages WP:DRV would be the right place, but since the page wasn't actually deleted I'm not sure what the correct procedure is. -- Hirudo 15:15, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I've given my thoughts on the same question here. I'd be interested in seeing Zoe's take on it too, so Zoe may or may not want to read what I said first... :) ++Lar: t/c 15:35, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Can you tell me what article you're talking about? I would have to know the history of the AfD discussion and see what sort of content you plan on re-adding to remove the redirect. User:Zoe|(talk) 15:37, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

See Lar's link above for my reply to him with the details. (Also, please reply either on his page or here instead of on my page. I hate split discussions. Thanks) -- Hirudo 15:41, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't see any reply on Lar's page. User:Zoe| 15:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

My bad. Didn't notice I got an edit conflict when I tried to submit it. Should be there now -- Hirudo 15:45, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Lyrics

Oh, sorry. I just thought that was the whole point of the article. Sorry. But, Since they are copyrighted why do the other Sonic The Hedgehog game songs have lyrics?

These song pages have lyrics

Live And Learn

Open Your Heart (Sonic Adventure)

Nordwave should be included in Winkepedia

Nordwave should be included in Winkepedia.I was adding Nordwave to the list of groups that would fall into that category.I do agree with you assesment of th Protocols page.Next time I will include refernces to any changes I make.

help me

i , paydenmac34, would like to delete the riot bros. and payden durham pages, can you delete it for me.

 p.s. i am payden durham, and am deeply sorry!!!!!!!!1

Message

Thanks, I'm actually pretty new to this Misplaced Pages stuff, so thank your for helping me out.

Messages

Ok thanks. UnDeRsCoRe 20:59, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Raphael1 RFAR

Just so you know, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Raphael1 is going to be entering the voting stage soon. Since you are listed as an involved party you most likely will want to add your statement to the evidence page before the evidence period ends. --Cyde↔Weys 17:12, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Time is running out ... Cyde↔Weys 16:18, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of Don Voss

You deleted "Don Voss" because there are "thousands of college football players". That may be true, but there are not thousands of college football players who were All-Americans, played in the Rose Bowl, and also will be named to their University's Football Hall of Fame. Thanks for the lack of thought in deleting the article. Wiki is a waste if no one cares to understand what they are deleting. Maybe someone with football knowledge should only delete football players?!

Dissapointing. Done with Misplaced Pages.

Please note that although I nominated the article for deletion, I did not delete it. The discussion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Don Voss was properly concluded. If you disagree with the process, not the votes, you may submit it to WP:DRV for a rehearing. User:Zoe| 15:14, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

5000 copies

I'm still waiting for a policy on this statement. Where does Misplaced Pages say this on WP:BIO or WP:CSD? Zos 23:57, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Your comment Re: Mending Wall on deletion review

Can I ask you where I might have said anything that might be construed as a personal attack? -- SCZenz 19:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I actually wasn't thinking of you at all when I wrote that; after all, your AfD nomination says "transwiki to wikisource" so I was under the impression that you thought it was legally in the public domain and you were nominating it for some other reason. I was thinking of Robertsteadman, who in my opinion maintained a very insistent campaign based on the convolution of two issues: 1) a misunderstanding of copyright law, and 2) his believe that the poem was non-notable. He was in error on the first part, and he was rather insistent about it, and if he had listened to the suggestions of others (perhaps the first time Xoloz suggested the problem might be a difference in US vs. UK copyright law) it would have saved us all a lot of time. (The non-notability, was of course debatable, and was debated.) Perhaps you made a mistake also in the AfD nomination, if you were thinking AfD is the proper place to discuss a possible copyright problem that could be easily removed from the article. But you should not read more into my words than I say; if I say you or another user has made an error, that is not a personal attack, nor is it intended as one. -- SCZenz 21:05, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I certainly never said anyone shouldn't have expressed an opinion, but I continue to maintain that the assertion the poem was a copy-vio was a clear error from the start—unless Misplaced Pages:Public domain was wrong, and then it should have been hashed out there first with interested users who (presumably) know a bit about copyright law. That is what I intended to say the first time, and I do not believe it is a personal attack; if you think it is, I would be interested to hear why and perhaps I'll reconsider. -- SCZenz 21:13, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

24 Minutes, CRU, Gategoer- Destroyed

Fair enough. If you do not want this on the website, then so be it. But next time, give a good reason why it should be deleted instead of because it is about a local school. Explain why, because from my point of view, you and others seemed to blow 24 Minutes out of the water. Now my first entries were false, yes, but I just wanted to see what would happen to them if posted. Posting the false is my fault, but 24 Minutes was REAL, not a lie. I thought it would be proactive to display a parody of 24 because it went with the topic. Yes, I defended my page because if I didn't, it would be destroyed anyway, so I gave it a shot, it failed. I bet if you were in my shoes, you would do everything to save an article that you worked on, or at least figure out why it was unfit to be here. I really hoped the environment of Misplaced Pages would be more excepting to articles written along with other important topics. I can say this, you do find the false and delete it quicky, I support that. But, if the topic was connected to another, I just don't see why it can't stay. I only been here for 24 hours, that's it. I don't know all the rules and regulations, but I do know that this is a website that offers free knowledge to all around the world. Then doesn't that give the world the free chance to share some of their factual culture to the world? Does it hurt anyone if a page stands that doesn't quite follow all the rules? If it does, I'm sorry. But please, be more proactive and make others, not just myself, understand why what they written was wrong. If everyone in the world were less accepting, we would all be in a world war, but were not. We, to the best of our ability, try to have an open mind about other things, and not shoot them down. If people didn't give Edison the chance to invent the light bulb, phonograph, movie camera, cement, etc., we wouldn't have those things today. My point of this is that instead of just posting delete on something, saying -doesn't work- explain why to them so they could redue it or let it go. By the way, why are spending so much of your time on this webpape everyday, looking at everyone's work? Go outside and enjoy your life instead of staying indoors, staring at a computer screen. I know I will be. -Gategoer

WP:ANI

Thanks for your reasoned reponse to my comments on the Alienus unblocking. I was getting frustrated and I think my comments were stronger than they needed to be. I appreciate your not escalating past my own strong comments. User:Zoe| 00:43, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

No no, your comments were quite appropriate. RfC is the right thing to do with an admin who consistently breaches policy, which I did. I do apologize. I complain about admins who block too easily, but maybe I'm an admin who unblocks too easily. Well, it's OK to challenge a block, but I have to follow procedure. -lethe 01:05, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Capitol Cigar Store

Hi Zoe! Yes, very clever... but at the same time a bit dim (so very easy to see through what they were doing!). I've corrected the close I did on the AfD to remove your name - although you have to admit that, at a glance, the deletion history page doesn't tell you why it was deleted, just who did it! ➨ ЯЄDVERS 22:47, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:Kennedyjohnson.jpg listed for deletion

Zoe: I just read through your short list (only June this year). You sure are involved in a lot of deleting. I don't know who has what job around here, is your job deleting articles? Is June the month you delete alot? Is this an unusual month - a lot of writers showing up who don't know what they are talking about? Is June slow month for this? One guy said he was here for only twenty four hours. Is that a long time, a short time? Was he lucky to be here that long? How could he have had more than 24 hours, if he wanted it? As an editor, that sure seems like a short time to decide he didn't belong here, but I didn't see his story. It must have had every error a story could possibly have to last a mere 24 hours. How did you derive at 24 hours or less (or possibly a little more) as enough time for a writers story to stay in Misplaced Pages? I thought that this was a public place, I would have given the guy a week or so. Especially if it were his first piece. Do you also decide which stories are taking up too much space for no good reason and, that 24 hours is good? Is the public happy with that? How do you know? Lastly, do you own part of the Misplaced Pages? Is there any money in it? Are there shares open for sale? Thanks, Bud Whiteye 00:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)Bud Whiteye

No, Zoe just loves deleting things she doesn't agree with. She can always call them "copyright violations" or some such nonsense. Here definiton of fair use is "if I personally think it's fair, then it's fair use; if not, it isn't." She could care less where the image is sourced or cited. Even she doesn't like it, she wipes it. And there's nothing you can do. Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Zoe's troll ground. You'd think an attractive girl like her would have some sort of social life, wouldn't you. 71.158.149.97 00:50, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Bud Whiteye

Zoe: Thanks for your kind reply. I am writing about the Sarnia Area pollution. From the first word, I never felt I was writing anything else. I have read about Chernobyl in the Wiki and other places, ugly as it is, it has forced its place in history. The whole world knows about Chernobyl through encyclopedias and other sources, primary or as in the Misplaced Pages. Such disasters as Chernobyl should be revealed to the world. The disasters at Aamjiwnaang are no less horrible. It is not my point of view alone that Sarnia, Aamjiwnaang and all those affected by "Chemical Valley" see the pollution as anything less than a disaster. Nobody knew about Krakatoa until somebody went there, took some notes, revealed some evidence and wrote about it. Historians and writers are good like that. My article may have some gliches, but it is about the disaster on-going at Aamjiwnaang. Zoe, why does it have to be about Sarnia? Sarnians know how to write. They can as easily link to Aamjiwnaang, when they chose to write about the disaster. One of your colleagues expressed a kind of "systemic discrimination" upon certain stories that keep some articles from not appearing or enjoying great debate. Is an Aboriginal story, written by an Aboriginal one of those special kinds of discrimination? I'm not inserting this as a qualifier for my story. I know you would not accept it as such. My defense of the story stops for now, with "...the disaster" in bold above. Your site manager runs all of our words together. You asked if I had any Qs, that is one. I would hate for the eventualities at Aamjiwnaang go un-noticed because of a bias not listed in your criteria. Thanks again, Bud WhiteyeBud Whiteye 02:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:Ceiling cat 00.jpg

What criterion for speedy deletion did this image meet? Thank you for reverting the BBIH vandalism on my UT page, incidentally. —BorgHunter (talk) 02:29, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

- I would like to know, Zoe, why you tend to want to delete things just like that? Are you incharge here? If so, I understand your desire to edit everything, but if not, then what business do you have deleting other people's article?. I know you can hear me. And I know you know the source of this question. I'm still a little ticked that I received no reply from you about why you wanted to delete my articles so badly, when they've been posted for less than 2 days! I've only been here for 2 days now. If it was a rule violation, then just say so. If it was a misunderstanding, say so. Don't expect me and all other newcomers to know what you mean when we just walked through the door! Give us a break, please. I started friendly and with good intentions but now you seem to throw things against the door. Why? Why nice one minute and rude the next? I didn't ask for this! I asked for a little understanding, give me a break! And I'm back again just to see if you could give me a decent response to why my artcles were so bad. And once you do that, then tell me what I can write and can't write. Is it that diffucult and tedious to ask? I want peace and understanding. I hoped that Misplaced Pages's environment was peaceful, but now it's more like battlefield, edit this, destroy that. If this wepsite was BUILT FOR EVERYONE, then shouldn't the creator of an article have a say in their article's future? Please Respond so I can understand why you are so angry at me.

That's just good ol' Zoe, no matter if you are new to Misplaced Pages or have something to contribute. And don't get her started on "Neutral Point of View." You'll probably have to wait a long time for a response, too. A classic example of Wiki Administrators run wild. She unfairly and without reservation maligns even minimal contributions from first-time contributors.Harmanos 03:52, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Yep. Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Otherwise known as "Zoe's domain." Whatever she doesn't like, she wipes, and always has some excuse about "violating copyright," etc. even when there's no such violation. Especially if you're new. Then she accuses everyone who agrees with you of being a sockpuppet. Typical frustrated fangirl. 71.158.149.97 00:48, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Morwen's RFC

I agree that the two parties endorsing the RFC are potentially the same editor, and I've filed a RFCU to determine whether this is the case. I saw your comment, and thought you'd like to know. -Hit bull, win steak 20:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

justice court pt2

Misplaced Pages:SCAG was just created, by User:Geo.plrd, the creator of Misplaced Pages:Justice Court. Sorry to add to your workload, but i'm not terribly familiar with mfd procedures yet, and am hoping that you might be more streamlined at dealing with this. Thanks :) -Quiddity 21:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

SCAG

The watchdog group was just a program to compile statistics If that offended you just delete the program page.Geo.plrd 21:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Fine as I said before just delete the program, not the sponsor.

Reply

I am not creating 'fiefdoms', I would not be Poobah of SCAG you deleted the series before I was able to post restrictions to the Chancellor. My emergency powers must be relinquished when a Governance Council is seated. The executive would be the Chair which has to be elected. Geo. 01:38, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Zoe

Thanks again for your response (a quick one; over in a page where I tried to reach all of the editors (I wrote them all) who had concerns. I have only your reply (NPOV) and a sentence that includes "...please don't hesitate to ask." So, I did. I explained that everyone, including the manufacturers hold the view on how polluted Aamjiwnaang and Sarnia are. Then I asked some technical q's to try to be inkeeping with Wiki Policies. Now, this is in "My Page" (Bud Whiteye) can you get this from here? Thanks, Bud Whiteye Bud Whiteye 22:32, 20 June 2006 (UTC) ZOE, I brought this over from my "Talk" page; I didn't know what else to do. No one has told me yet where to write where editors who have concerns can read (my) our responses. Thanks Bud Whiteye Bud Whiteye 22:52, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Zoe from Bud

Zoe: I left you a short note today (June 20, late PM) in your "Talk" page. BWBud Whiteye 22:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Zoe

I didn't think you were going to get back to me. I must have hit an artery: I'm getting some good responses now. Editor Z told me that since my article is "out there" (Google, Anishenabek News, and so on) it is not OR. Are you both right - somhow? I believe the world and Wiki readers would be well served if they had this information as a resource, a place to turn in researching the world's polluted sites - might help them get a PhD. I can't understand why most editors are stuck on "Op-ed, or news article. The information and the people dying or not being born are still there. I am a writer. If the information needs to be put another way (as in Chernobyl), why can't that be done? Again, thanks for your timely and good reply. Bud WhiteyeBud Whiteye 23:36, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Anon leaving "warnings"

• Whoever 71.158.149.97 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) is, he's just gotta make you smile. Danny Lilithborne 01:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

• • Sometimes. User:Zoe| 01:33, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Zoe

Thanks Zoe: This is the first time you have said I could do a re-write. I believe another editor would like me to as well. I am a writer, most writers are used to rewrites and multiple editing (usually by one and the same editor) that never means one is a bad writer, it means the editor knows what they want and the piece has not yet achieved those parameters set by the editor - based on the rules set by the publisher (publication). BTW This story is from many places, if you check, you'll notice that google did not get it from Wiki. How much time do I have to do a rewrite? BWBud Whiteye 12:34, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

?

Do you have any objections to me starting a group to calculate statistics. One of the programs would calculate mediation success. There would be no admin programs. Geo. 20:31, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I need a group because this would be a massive undertaking, involving quite a few volunteers. The statistics would be used to

make a better encyclopedia and would verify official statistics.(Example:Mediation success rate could be used to estimate how many cases go to Arbcom). I will have oversight boards so there will be no grand high poobah. Also I would like to put the past behind us. Geo. 23:40, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

The statistics (for mediation program) would be used to help the Arbcom predict how many cases they will receive. The statistics in

other programs will state their purpose in the program plan. I have no plans to collect statistics that will be used to harass people. Geo. 23:50, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

That was one possible program. Another would determine how many specialist admins there areGeo. 20:24, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

A specialist admin is a administrator who indicates a focus on a certain aspect on their listing on the sysop category. By tallying up the number of Admins with each specialty, you can

see where Misplaced Pages has the least admins focusing. Data collection would involve counting how many Admins are in each specialty. The only list would have numbers, and zero names.Geo. 20:24, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I'll never contribute again!

Congratulations! Thanks to your original problem with "NPOV" of a man murdered by another man who had a quite lucid, non-neutral point of view about racism, and your mistreatment of "sock puppets", "noobs", and other first-time users, you have driven me away from ever joining the Misplaced Pages community. I don't have to hide behind an IP address, either. I cannot help but to feel sad that something I liked and enjoyed was ruined. I wonder if this makes Danny Lilithborne smile to know another useless, faceless, nobody will get swept out of Misplaced Pages because of you.

Best of luck in future endeavors. My username will be deleted in two days. Harmanos 05:35, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

How sad that you were unable to transform Misplaced Pages into your own soapbox. User:Zoe| 20:08, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Your wish is my command, Excellency. http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Speedy_deletions#Requested Harmanos 18:45, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

User:Burnley Masher

Could you please take a look at Special:Contributions?target=Burnley Masher (ok so that's not how you can link to a contrib page apparently. this link should work) ? His only contribs seem to be adding links to one specific site to a heap of WW1 articles. While the site may actually be appropriate for a good deal of them, it still smells like linkspam to me, and out of place in at least the Treaty of Versailles article (which is where I first noticed it). -- Hirudo 14:26, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind I guess, Shimgray already reverted all of them -- Hirudo 18:36, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Andrew Cooper Talk

Why did you delete the andrew cooper talk page, we were simply putting our case forward to re-instate the page, the subject matter himself was also posting a valid reason for it to stay, you culled an article before it had a chance to grow and have sources added to it, you are clearly a poor Mod

O'Reilly Controversies Article

I didn't delete the red cross section, I moved it to Bill O'Reilly (commentator) article. Please before reverting edits check the summeries.

A direct quote from O'Reilly reguarding the peabody award was not nessesary it wasted space. But I will leave that alone.

Fanboy rubbish

What are you talking about? You don't know anything about him, or where he works. Who are you to say, "Hardly"?

removing the world 111 Fally Rampage

YOUR A FUCKERN RETARD FOR REMOVIND SHADOOMS ARTICLE!! ::GM::

Sry that my article has caused GM to start insulting u shadoom1

May I translate that for you Zoe? This anon is saying "ban me for personal attacks plz!!!!1!!" J.J.Sagnella 10:41, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Molobo's talk

Thank you for your decisive action at User talk:Molobo, removing insults. Yet I wonder if other users remarks on his talk page should be restored? Their entries should stay documented IMHO.--Matthead 16:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Can I finish?

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Kinston Indians

Hi. I notice you had a bunch of A-level minor leaguers' articles deleted at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Kinston Indians. Just curious why you didn't include Trevor Crowe, Scott Lewis, Ryan Goleski and Chuck Lofgren? I figure maybe they just weren't grouped with the rest. Just wanted to make sure before I bring those to AFD as well. Thanks.  :) —Wknight94 (talk) 10:42, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

User Pete Peters

Could you look over his contributions and consider a block for vandalism?

Thanks Arthur Ellis 01:52, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

GFDL

I don't understand your objection. I've reworded my statement, but I don't see how deleting and merging violates GFDL. Cheers! Ted/_{Contributions} 03:14, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, you were right. I've changed my vote to merge and redirect.--Joe Jklin (T C) 03:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment. I'll change the way I say it from now on. Ted/_{Contributions} 18:54, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Calvin Tuteao

rm PROD, [[WP:POINT[[ violation. Changed "starred" to appeared".

So, how are those mind-reading courses going? Not so well, I can tell you. So what part of my prod: Very minor actor was unclear? Hint 1: "very minor" had nothing to do with whether he is, in fact, a minor. A quick glance at the IMDB listing would have provided a further clue.*Hint 2: whether he "starred"/"appeared"/"did handstands" is not relevant to the first three words of the prod reasoning. Citing that as your apparent rationale for removing the Prod strikes as you violating WP:POINT yourself -- you know, disrupting the Proposed Deletion process to make some sort of point. Oh, the irony. --Calton | Talk 04:11, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

ISG

I have started the Misplaced Pages:ISG. it has been MfD , please review to see if it should be deleted.Geo. 01:06, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Ebenezer

If you bother to look, you'd see I WROTE the amazon.com piece--and it wasn't an exact copy that was posted here.

If you don't want contributions say so.

You could have spoken to me before you go deleting.

trezjr 21:31, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

If you contacted me first, I could have removed the Amazon piece--and it wasn't a rip-off.

If you checked the time stamps, you would have seen the article was written BEFORE the Amazon piece was posted.

trezjr 21:56, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Would you re-instate the page if I remove the amazon.com review and check the npov?

trezjr 15:07, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks; will the same page name be accepted?

trezjr 17:44, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

TfD

I think a potentially very disruptive template is on verge of being kept. If you have time, please take a look at this TfD discussion. Regards. 172 | Talk 21:44, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

A Request for Your Feedback

Hello; I noticed you have recently contributed to the current events portal and thought you would be interested in looking at a proposal for redesigning the page. If you can, please take a look at a redesign proposal I created and provide some feedback on its talk page. So far, very little feedback has been received, and so the additional input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. joturner 23:07, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Hands Off Venezuela

Hi,

I took the info from the Hands Off Venezuela site itself (www.handsoffvenezuela.org), and the site you pointed at took it from the original source. Sorry about the captalisation, shall I just start from scratch or move the article?

(sorry I am new with adding Misplaced Pages entries but would like to get more involved)

Maarten

Are your ears burning?

FYI, someone is talking about you. User:trezjr has approached a couple of people to query your deletion of his article. The JPS 09:15, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry

I believe that I must read the "How to write a Wiki". I need to work on my unbiased narrative voice. Thank you very much for reminding me about the sandbox, both Joe Motiki and Ian Serota were experiments on how to wiki. After more experimenting/practicing, I believe that I can tackle wanted articles.

Thank You Again,

Josh

PS Sorry for publishing useless articles

please undelete Malini Fonseka

00:36, 5 July 2006 Zoe (Talk | contribs) deleted "Malini Fonseka" (content was: '{{csd}}{{hangon}}'''Malini Fonseka''' is a Sri Lankan film actor. ==External links=={{imdb-name|0284717}}[[Category:Living p...')

• I had added {{hangon}} and some relevant text, but the article wasn't finished. Could you please take a look at the IMDb link on that page which will show you the actor's films? If you think the actor is notable, please undelete the article. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 00:42, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh mistress of the dark

In the article on a nude beach,
A guideline I think is in breach,
So could please say
To User JJay,
"That reversion's a bit of a reach."

brenneman 01:21, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

*Sigh* And reverting a fairly straightforward tidy-up of the guideline as well. - brenneman 00:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Wow, dispute resolution! Who are you and what have you done with Zoe? *chuckle* - brenneman 00:32, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Did you ever have the thing where you're having a conversation and one side isn't going the way you expect? I'm having that now. I thought that you wouldn't mind chiming in on a clear-cut external links question. I was slightly suprised by both the content and the tone of the response, so I made a small joke at your expense as banter. I didn't intend to get you cut, so I'm sorry if I did. - brenneman 02:25, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Massive deletion of articles

Who is "Zoe", anyway? Perhaps he or she already explained that these animated ones from the American Broadcasting Company claimed to be "not verifable". Will you please note that Pup Named Charlie or Charlie Returns only in the late 1980s/early 1990s for a short time have all been deleted only last year.

The Weather Channel? - This channel runs nothing, but weather, except for the occasional segments of home, garden and etc.

--4.188.69.58 06:40, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

If you're going to write on my Talk page, please at least try to be coherent. User:Zoe| 21:33, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I will be coherent. The Weather Channel as I have said before, is nothing, but weather forecasting, except for the occasional segments of home improvement, garden and etc.

And how does that have any relation to me? User:Zoe| 17:18, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

April 20, 2006

Anyone can probably create an article about the plane crash near Bloomington, Indiana, it happened on April 20, 2006, in a densely-wooded area, but this was far more tragic.

--4.160.183.21 05:22, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Addendum to "Here is my attack"

Well, I hace confessed to vandalizing for the past several months, and for permanently scarring my reputation. I want to state now that Tex's contention that I haven't left is entirely false, I only came back on the 23rd to voice my opinion against RobChurch, and his RfA. Well, my attack: I am sorry for being the CIyde vandal and for my attacks on John Reid. I am sorry that I came here, stressing myself, and others out. To further emphasize this, I did create an account with the intention of it being constructive after a three month long meltdown. Hopefully, I will be able to edit constructively, and I am sorry for all the trouble I cause. Yes, people reform, and to be honest, the point of the vandalism was to attract attention to what I see as incivility, and the reasons several of my friends have left here. But vandalism is vandalism, so I better quit before I get in trouble. I am sorry I was ever apart of the project. I DONT want to be a Brian Chase. But, at least I did edit here constructively for a year and three months before I went haywire.εγκυκλοπαίδεια*14:34, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Addendum: It is my wish to make it clear that I want to return to the encyclopedia, and I am asking that my block may be lifted so I can continue my work here. I sincerely apologize for my actions.εγκυκλοπαίδεια*16:44, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for helping me so much

I am deeply sorry for the sins I have commited here. I hope my reëntry here will be sincerely welcomed. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 19:08, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

My undoing of blocks

Hi, Zoe. I understand that you're a disinterested party and that you commented in good faith on my unblocking actions wrt His excellency. I don't know if you saw His excellency's explanation that, just as I said, I only made a real block change once--that the other time was me trying to fix a technical problem? The block had expired (this was Woohookitty's one-week block), but HE still couldn't edit, and several admins on IRC tried to fix it. As I understand it, there was a capitalization discrepancy (Excellency/excellency) which was keeping Jeffrey Gustafsson's supposedly undone indefinite block still active. I saw it and fixed it (rather proud of myself, being no techie :-)) There was no question of me undoing a valid block; HE was *supposed* to be able to edit. If this is unclear, please let me know. I'll be glad to ask a developer or whatever to explain what happened, and then perhaps you could see your way to withdrawing your statement on ANI that I, uh, said the thing which was not? It makes me uncomfortable to see it there, coming from a super-respectable admin like yourself. Bishonen | talk 00:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC).

wp:jimbo makes mistakes

unfortunately, i don't know just how "pov rant"ish this essay was, because you deleted it, but it doesn't seem to be a valid candidate for speedy deletion. also, the deletion policy doesn't say anything about deleting articles in the wikipedia namespace. wikipedia essays are defined as "Essays about Misplaced Pages and related topics. These are not policy and are primarily opinion pieces.", so i don't see why you can delete an essay becuase it is POV. maybe it did deserve deletion, but i feel you should use the afd process and let the community decide. --Samael775 19:03, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

auctionbytes

Auctionbytes is the premier online newletter for the online auction community. Yes, it is a "business" and yes I did link to it. No, it is not my website. I find it strange that you would remove it from Misplaced Pages....

I know how to participate content in this forum... in fact I supplied statistics in Paypal that I was the source of and collected when Paypal first began...very valuable stats I might add.

Are you the assigned Moderator of this (eBay) forum?

-Me

A new userbox you might like.

Hi Zoe,

I couldn't resist making the following userbox after reading the attached link. After being insulted on numerous occasions by trolls I decided to fight back the best way I know how -- with a witty userbox! Feel free to remove this from your talk page if you don't appreciate the humour. = )

Cheers,

 Netsnipe    05:57, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

shrug

Please do not remove commercial links or links that in your frontal lobe beleives is my private website linked on Misplaced Pages. Misplaced Pages is not a vehicle for sticking one's head in the sand or a mere collection of ONE individual's opinion what is or is not related to a company and/or industry. You are, however, encouraged to smile and not take yourself so seriously instead of removing links from the encyclopedia. If you feel the link should be removed from the article please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than removing it. See the welcome page to learn more about Misplaced Pages. Thanks.

Re: There are no assigned moderators

so if there are no assigned moderators how is it that YOU have the power to prevent me from future posting?

Someone has sent for the cabal!

A mediation cabal request has been filed in which you are named as a party. Please comment at Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-7-11 EBay. Remember, there is no cabal! Stifle (talk) 10:07, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Might want to be aware...

Of this edit after your recent block of an abusive editor. -- H·G (/_works) 02:08, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

• Hope you're still watching, same user is still at it in the AfD's in question. I've reported him appropriately for blocking, but it'd be good to know an admin is watching, since this guy manages to keep pulling out sockpuppets. -- H·G (/_works) 02:33, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

My comment

It was inexplicable to me at the time but I then had the bright idea of looking at your contribs and then I did indeed understand your action as may be clear from my edit (if you saw it) to the afd on Tramper. I have removed my comment and this socks too, SqueakBox 03:46, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for sorting all that out. I usually laugh at inane rants (such as the type the user has left on my talk page), but when they start to gather extra-wikipedia info about me (and info about meatspace) it becomes worrying. For a while, anyway. The JPS 04:13, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

According to WP policies and guidelines,

your comments on the village pump should only consider the content of my proposal, and not only the small editcount of my username. Ad personam comments are generally considered uncivil, and I have replied to you on that talkpage. Azmoc 08:29, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Sombody emailed me about this discussion here, because of the sockpuppet suspicions against Azmoc, and because he was unsure if it was me (obvious similarities in username). So, for the record: it's not me! If I wanted a sockpuppet, I'd pick a less obvious name... Azate 03:53, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Unblocking

I had my account blocked indefinitely, and no good reason for it. User:Llywrch blocked User:Panarjedde indefinitely because "(sock of Panairjdde, who is under 24-hour block)", and blocked User:Panairjdde indefinitely because "(he says he has closed this account;" What should I do? What is the procedure to follow when you think an Admin abused his powers?--151.47.90.90 10:02, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Admins abuse their powers all the time, giving blocks and indef blocks as they like or unlike someone. There is practically nothing you could do. Azmoc 12:25, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Hah. There are plenty of places to get help. Contact another admin (as this user intelligently did) or present your case on WP:AN/I. There are many non-admins there as well watching over things, including me. --mboverload@ 12:33, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Micronation#External_links

It's possible that I'm wrong that fifteen anglefire/geocities/etc links are a bad thing, and that the fellow who keeps replacing them is right. What do you reckon? - brenneman 04:36, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Robbyne Manning

Her legal birthname is Robbyne Manning. Robin is actually a mispelling. Apart from ANTM, she is credited as Robbyne Manning (imdb, Miss Tennessee competition, Miss Soybean competition etc.)

Vizconde Massacre

Is there a reason this page should remain deleted-protected? There is a film of this name, and there is common reference to an event of this name. —Centrx→talk • 06:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Play nice! :-)

Not saying that one or the other was being silly here. Just um, Ashibaka put it up at the village pump (policy) for review, and now no-one else can review it, and/or tell him if and why it sucks.

Ah well. In future, note that you don't always have to speedy, sometimes you can consider moving items into a users namespace. But mostly, especially when someone is starting off a new page, and they are asking for input, give them a chance to get that input. You never know what the outcome might be! :-)

Kim Bruning 09:49, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, Ashibaka is a trusted-ish user IIRC. So I'm surprised they'd write an attack page. <scratches head> Could you send me the original text of the page per email? Thanks! Kim Bruning 08:39, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm probably reading this differently from you. <scratches head some more>. It reads a bit like

use Brain;

to me. You're interpreting it differently? --Kim Bruning 21:49, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

On blocking users

When you block a user, don't forget to leave a message on their talkpage indicating that they've been blocked, why, etc etc. --Improv 13:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Redirect vote

Hi, I see you had interest in the Britain/Great Britain article. There is now a Redirect Britain to Great Britain vote on the page. El Gringo 19:18, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Jimbo makes mistakes

Howdy, I restored this as I didn't see a valid reason for the deletion in the first place. I think it's almost always poor form to re-do an action another admin has undone. I didn't see that it was discussed anywhere obvious, but my apologies if I'd missed something. If you really see a big problem with the page, is there a way to deal with it less invasively than deletion? Friday (talk) 22:00, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

So, what, you're just going to wheel war over it and not discuss it? You've now reversed two different admin's undeletions. Very poor form indeed. Friday (talk) 14:27, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Stay cool and discuss first folks. Possibly the page should be worded differently? Kim Bruning 14:58, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I gave reasons for undeleting on the talk page. I still see no explanation of the reason for deletion, other than short commments in the deletion log. First it was deleted for being a "rant", then later it was deleted for being an "attack page". I'm rather dismayed that so many editors apparently think that anything that looks like criticism is automatically an attack page. Friday (talk) 15:14, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Zoe put the full text on my talk page too. :-) Perhaps it looks ambiguous to some people, and it might need to be "npov"ed in some way?

Zoe: Would you mind if we undelete and move to userspace? With a little luck we can safely assume good faith on this one. That and Friday and I will also keep an eye on it, if Friday doesn't mind.? Kim Bruning 16:42, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm willing to help however I can, and I'll certainly watch it, but I have no particular interest in that content. I just saw from Misplaced Pages talk:Jimbo makes mistakes that Ashibaka wanted it back. Since I saw no particular reason for the initial deletion, or the subsequent re-deletion, I undeleted. As a general principle, I hate to see issues resolved by deletion, when simple editing would do the trick. Friday (talk) 17:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Personal info

I'm saying it on your talk page so it's not as noticed, but wikitruth's website has lots of admins on the front page and that site reveals things like real names, and lots of personal info. It even reveals birth names of people who changed it for a sex change operation. The link is in the article. Hardvice 03:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

And that is one of the reasons Blu Aardvark will not be welcomed back to Misplaced Pages. User:Zoe| 03:11, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Landismas

I'm trying to start something to help cyclists form just a slightly better community. This has been deleted and restored, and you delete it again?

I sent this to Bob Roll, Velonews, and OLN, but it's gone now, again. What gives?

By the time I wake up, it'll probably be too late. Thanks for squashing this. Willcore

why are you here

I don't have to explain myself to you. I see you made your first 500 edits almost entirely in 10 days. Wow. It's true that I have been registered for 3 monts, but made also like 300 article edits in like 2 weeks in June. Whatever, that time was wasted, I could have used it for better things. Misplaced Pages attracts losers that have nothing better to do than sit infront of a computer and "do the good thing". Rewards like barnstars, praise and most importantly the adminship are very nice, kinda psychological work I guess. Why exactly are you here? What is your inner motivation? Got a lame job? Have to sit in front of the box all the time anyway? Tell me on my talkpage please. Azmoc 14:01, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

RtV

I see you actually already tried to vanish once, right? What went wrong? Are you addicted to wikipedia or what? Have noone to talk to at home? Azmoc 14:10, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

The Real Reason

Whatever. You can't be bothered to answer my question either, but I can promis you, if you tell me why you are on wikipedia, I will tell you too. Azmoc 06:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Warning

Somebody might put you on wheels if you dont answer my questions.

Azmoc 10:16, 22 July 2006 (UTC)