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Eugene Sullivan 3 and Eugene Sllivan 4
This source indicated ES3 was convicted on 26 November 1985 and his son was convicted in January 1986. You have ES3 being convicted in 1985. Kindly check and see if an adjustment is needed. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 07:59, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
1976
Take a look at the Robert Wilkinson incident.] Paul, in Saudi (talk) 03:58, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Organizational issues
This article is not about misconduct in the PPD. In large part, it is a randomly selected, chronological list of cases of police brutality, corruption and a random selection of other cases which likely do not fall under "misconduct" (such as the 1994 incident).
Classifying events involving incompetence, negligence or mistakes as "misconduct" raises the question of what this list considers to be "misconduct".
This list does not have inclusion criteria. We do not have an operational definition here, we're basically making it up as we go. As a result, this is not even a random list of cases of misconduct, it is a random list of cases that some editor at some point felt were misconduct. Additionally, the list is clearly biased toward recent events ("recentism"). The ONLY PPD misconduct prior to 1974 was one case in 1967? That is laughable. Compared to the listings since the growth of the Internet (circa 1995), the Frank Rizzo years were apparently an idyllic era of calm and serenity. 1967 - 1980 (with Rizzo as Commissioner or Mayor), we list ONE case and two reports that it was a huge, on-going problem... Take the same length of time from today back to mid 2000, we list over 200 cases. Some of those cases, though, are quite puzzling. We have officers who committed suicide, which someone apparently believes is "misconduct". We have various cases where police committed or were alleged to have committed crimes completely unrelated to the PPD, which we've still decided are "misconduct". Notably absent from the list are discussion of selective enforcement, police perjury, abuse of power, procedural violations, etc.
The current article is a random, biased collection of incidents involving PPD officers. As a result, it is largely worthless. IMO, this article should be a discussion of what independent reliable sources have called "misconduct" in the PPD over the years. Those two reports I mentioned in the Rizzo years (and similar bits and pieces scattered about in the current article) are a good place to start. Comments? - SummerPhD (talk) 15:40, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
- This list is unique, the only place I know of that lists PPD misconduct. It has value. I hope you are able to provide cited examples of earlier misconduct, these are surely needed. But of course before just recently, nobody was making a list like this so I suppose a lot of the data has been lost. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 03:32, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
- The list is indiscriminate. This is not a list of all cases of misconduct in the PPD. Such a listing is impossible (were it somehow possible, it would be long enough to be worthless). As a result, the list must have inclusion criteria that are unambiguous, objective and based on reliable sources. At the moment, the inclusion criteria are:
- a Misplaced Pages editor saw the source
- a Misplaced Pages editor decided the event is misconduct
- These criteria are ambiguous, subjective and based on the whims of individual editors.
- For comparison, there are numerous "Featured lists", all of which have unambiguous, objective inclusion criteria based on reliable sources. List of Eagle Scouts includes only notable individuals who are or were Eagle Scouts. List of deaths at the Berlin Wall does not include whatever deaths a Misplaced Pages editor found a source for; it uses unambiguous, objective criteria based on reliable sources. This article, OTOH, is incorrectly titled and has no such inclusion criteria. - SummerPhD (talk) 04:48, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
- The list is indiscriminate. This is not a list of all cases of misconduct in the PPD. Such a listing is impossible (were it somehow possible, it would be long enough to be worthless). As a result, the list must have inclusion criteria that are unambiguous, objective and based on reliable sources. At the moment, the inclusion criteria are:
- This list is unique, the only place I know of that lists PPD misconduct. It has value. I hope you are able to provide cited examples of earlier misconduct, these are surely needed. But of course before just recently, nobody was making a list like this so I suppose a lot of the data has been lost. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 03:32, 29 March 2015 (UTC)