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Structuration (social theory)

Hello Penbat. Regarding the discussion at Talk:Structuration#Requested move. How would you feel about Structuration (social theory)? This would address at least some of your concerns, and it lets people know the domain from which the word comes. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 19:50, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

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Cluster B PD's and psychopathy

I wanted to discuss the issue of Cluster B personality disorders - borderline PD, narcissistic PD, and antisocial PD and how they correlate with psychopathy. Researchers have proposed "subtypes" of psychopathy (borderline, narcissistic, antisocial, and sadistic) and the primary-secondary distinction is well known about and has quite a bit of backing to support the findings. Borderlines, narcissists, and antisocials frequently score quite high on the PCL-R relative to people without personality disorders, or even people with Cluster A & C PD's. Aggression, sexual promiscuoity, perversions, violence, manipulativeness, attention-seeking behavior, narcissism, lack of empathy, and the use of primitive defense mechanisms (projection, splitting, denial, etc) are common to all three of these Cluster B PD's - especially borderline personality disorder. Jeffrey Dahmer was a diagnosed BPD, as was Dennis Nilsen. Many psychoanaylsts and psychiatrists believe Adolf Hitler was a BPD. Angelina Jolie is classic textbook case of BPD. Aileen Wuornos, and even Andrei Chikatilo were both diagnosed with BPD. Psychopathy and BPD, NPD, and AsPD are related in a very intimate way. I believe that a substantial borderlines, narcissists, and sociopaths are psychopats - or the three seem to represent different "breeds" of psychopaths. --Dendro†Naja 22:07, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

there are quite a few schools of thought on BPD/psychopathy eg Kernberg suggests BPD is closely linked to narcissism Kernberg#Relationship_between_narcissistic_personality_and_borderline_personality. There are quite a few variants of BPD and my understanding of it is that it is quite controversial and isnt a typical PD as the sufferers may be egodystonic rather than egosyntonic unlike most PDs. Psychopathy is usually considered to be most closely associated with antisocial personality disorder but isnt officially recognised by the DSM so doesnt belong to any cluster. Hitler probably had several mental health labels including paranoid PD, antisocial PD, narcissistic PD and maybe borderline PD.--Penbat (talk) 22:21, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

I am a sufferer of borderline personality disorder. I can tell you that before my diagnosis, I had never ever thought there was anything wrong with me. I believed that I was normal and that this is how all people were, only I believed that I was "open", "honest", and comfortable enough with myself to let it all "hang out". I used to think other people were fake, scared and dishonest because they were hiding their natures (which I believed to be just like mine). I used to believe that I was actually the normal one, while most other people were phonies and liars. Not until I got diagnosed (and it took a year for the denial to dissipate and finally agreed to take the referral to DBT). Then I began to understand and my eyes opened up to the craziness - I was the problem, not everyone around me. Yet, even today I find I have justifications for everything untoward that I do, for every lie that I speak, for every person I verbally assault, etc. It is automatic. I can't seem to control it. It's nowhere as bad is it used to be, but all the defenses are still there. I scored a 28 on the PCL-R, I have an IQ of 117, and yet, I'm my own worst enemy a lot of the times. Hitler was said to be a lot of things, but BPD is the most common diagnosis that the vast majority of psychoanalysts point to. Yes, they say he has narcissistic and paranoid traits, but his primary problem was BPD. Anyone with even a moderate knowledge of the subject would agree. Hitler had the anger and rages, the unstable moods, difficult interpersonal relationships, and the black or white thinking (that is an obvious one when you think of Hitler). --Dendro†Naja 22:37, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

There you are, the fact that you have some acceptance and insight into your BPD is consistent with being egodystonic (although I think BPD can be egosyntonic and/or egodystonic). Not sure why you are keen to align yourself with having the same affliction as Hitler, who I think was entirely egosyntonic and had zero insight into his mental condition.--Penbat (talk) 22:48, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm not trying to align anyone with myself, I simply know what this disorder is like firsthand. Before I was diagnosed, I had no insight nor did I have any awareness. I do now, but I still revert to the same defenses and I still struggle interpersonally due to that. The only difference is that now I know I have BPD. What I am saying is that BPD, NPD and AsPD are just different "breeds" of psychopathy. They share the same general traits, all score very high on the PCL (the DBT group I used to attend, there was 12 of us and 5 had been administered the PCL-R - all five had scores over 25, including myself). I cannot talk about some of my inner thoughts and feelings, simply because I would likely get locked up in a psychiatric ward. The point I'm trying to get across is that behind the face of a human, dark thoughts are a recurring theme with me. Fascination and fixations with things that anyone would probably think is nuts. For every BPD, NPD, etc that you meet, there is always something dark lurking inside that head. Call them fantasies, but they are there. --Dendro†Naja 22:59, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

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Peer

I undid your revision to the article on "peer"—- only because no one searching on "peer" is likely to be searching for "peer victimization". Please don't take personally, just a matter of clarification. KDS4444 12:23, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

You have now reverted my edit-- twice-- with justifications that don't match the behavior. I explained that I made my edits because people searching on "peer" aren't going to be looking for "peer victimization" (whereas some of them may very well be looking for "Peter" or "pe'er" and either not get the spelling right or not know how to spell the particular word they are looking for). In this sense, "peer victimization" is unlike any of the other entries. I am going to remove the entry for "peer victimization" once more, and ask you to address this issue here on your talk page before reverting my edit once again (at which point we will have entered into an edit war, something I have no interest in doing). Thanks. KDS4444 20:17, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your tireless work on the psychology articles.

Hi, Penbat,

I've seen you do a lot of good edits on articles that are on my watchlist, so I thought I would say hello. I see from your user page that you have a deep interest in the psychology articles and have contributed to many of them. Recently, I am setting up multiple user sandbox pages to do deep dives into the references and structure of most of the articles on human intelligence and IQ tests. (In general, anything within the scope of the nascent Outline of human intelligence, which I also hope to revise extensively, might be touched by my project, but I will especially be looking at about two dozen articles, of which a good half are tightly related the current Intelligence quotient article you just edited today.) I'd be delighted to have you check my work in the sandboxes before I commit sections of drafts or whole new article drafts to mainspace. Like you, I'd be delighted to see every Misplaced Pages article about psychology topics reviewed by experts for accuracy, balance, and good sourcing. Please feel free to let me know at any time how you think I am doing. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 00:00, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for kind words. I generally concentrate on abuse-related psychology topics, IQ is generally more on the periphery of my sphere of interest (although I am interested in social and emotional intelligence). I dont mind scanning your sandboxes but my comments may be more about formatting and presentation than the factual content.--Penbat (talk) 07:45, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

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Stafford Hospital Scandal

Please explain why you keep undoing my edits to the Stafford Hospital Scandal page?

I am trying to update the page with factually correct information, rather than the just what the press reported. I suggest your read the Francis report before making unqualified edits.

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Psychology articles

One of my responsibilities at Wiki Ed is going to be doing just what you suggested to Sage - coming up with gaps in coverage that we can encourage instructors to have their classes work on. So I really appreciate your suggestions. If you're interested, I would also be interested in working with you further to identify gaps in our coverage in psychology areas. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:59, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Everyday concepts sometimes get overlooked in favour of more obscure topics. I would be glad to help. Another common concept in poor shape I can think of is bullying. --Penbat (talk) 18:11, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

I have seen recommendations that students look at Misplaced Pages:Requested articles (eg Misplaced Pages:Requested articles/Social sciences/Psychology) or articles with Stub or Start status when selecting an assignment. Although some of those are worth creating/expanding, the majority are obscure or niche. Important "C-class" articles often get overlooked especially those rated as "high-importance". For example Talk:Attention seeking and Talk:Bullying are both rated "C-class" and "high-importance". Talk:Praise is actually "Start-class" and "high-importance". However, grading of articles has often not been done reliably or consistently - Talk:Blame is "C-class" and "mid-importance", Talk:Child grooming is "Start-class" and "mid-importance" and Talk:Psychological manipulation is "C-class" and "mid-importance" but they still in my view need urgent attention.--Penbat (talk) 08:36, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I just got a request for articles to edit in psychology; your additions to that list were very timely. Hopefully it results in some improvement to those articles. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:36, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi, can you make a comment about my new project Encyclopine.org

hi, Hi, can you make a comment about my new project Encyclopine.org?

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Conflict (process)