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Which part of WP:BRD are you having trouble understanding? Cassianto 13:17, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- The part where you and your buddies own the article, and consistently choose to be wrong. ScrapIronIV (talk) 13:19, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- I don't see that under that essay. So you appear to be both disruptive and stupid. Cassianto 13:21, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Your recent editing history at Stanley Holloway shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you get reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Cassianto 13:22, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Rather than throw spurious ownership claims, perhaps, as per my edit summary, you could try to civilly discuss things on the talk page, rather than engage in a knee-jerk edit war. That would be a much more constructive path to take. - SchroCat (talk) 13:25, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- Actually, it isn't. I know you both; I have seen your work, and your appearances on the drama boards. You write good articles, and deserve proper respect for that. But you do not choose to communicate, civilly or otherwise. You tagteam to get your way, and it is tiresome. I am done with children for a while. Keep your little playground. ScrapIronIV (talk) 13:29, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- Still uncivil, I see. If you decide not to take part in consensus-building discussions on a consensus-driven project, that is entirely up to you. - SchroCat (talk) 13:36, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- I gladly talk with those who listen. As far as civility is concerned, one reaps what one sows. One can be civil on the surface, and a petulant child behind the words. For me, it is much more civil to lecture little the schoolchildren, so that they might grow up to be truly civil in the full meaning of the word. Whether you choose to let that comment to refer to you and your playmates, or not, is entirely up to you. The philosophy of discipline remains unchanged. ScrapIronIV (talk) 13:43, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- We do listen; however, most of the time we are not listened too and, like you correctly point out above, we receive no or little respect. I see you have "seen work"; similarly, you have seen us on the drama boards. This begs the question: have you only warred and been disruptive here to initiate a long and laborious thread at ANI? Cassianto 15:50, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- I will answer your question with a question: Have you seen me file any requests at AN/I? What did I do the last time we "communicated" here on Holloway? I dropped the issue, looked at it from another perspective, and did not pursue it. In that one conversation, I learned a lot about your approach to the process. While I still think infoboxes are important - largely from a metadata and data mining perspective (allowing greater access to to data for more types of users, one of Misplaced Pages's stated goals) - it is not worth fighting with you. I have never brought anyone to the boards, except IP's making legal threats. I disagree with your approach to the articles you maintain your "stewardship" but I would not choose to drag my own name through the mud while slinging it at yours. ScrapIronIV (talk) 16:01, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- I don't know. I try and steer clear of ANI as it's full of self serving and sycophantic arseholes most of the time. In terms of the stewardship; why the hell not? Have you seen the current state of Theatre Royal, Drury Lane? That is a prime example of what happens when the primary editors walk away and leave an FA to rot. Cassianto 16:49, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- I will repeat that I like the way the articles you have contributed to have ended up, for the most part. You guys are better editors and authors than I am. My problem comes with the way you seem to automatically dismiss others' contributions, and an antagonistic approach to it. It could very well be warranted; this is a contentious place. It took me years before I decided to actually start to edit. It's a nasty place overall, with all kinds of negative personalities. Maybe I haven't given you guys a fair shake - but I felt bitten the one time we interacted. I was feeling that way again this morning. Some things seem simple - and the "birth place" for Holloway seems quite simple to me. It looked like blind reversions, coupled with tag-teaming. So, maybe it isn't, but from an outside view it looked that way. So, I will choose to apologize for my apparent incivility. I hope you will take a moment to try to look at it from my perspective, and maybe see that there there is a kernel of truth in my observation. Not all IP's are bad, and sometimes it may be possible that others' opinions are valid. It's an excellent article overall, and work that the contributors should be justifiably proud of. But maybe a tweak in one spot or another is not unwarranted. Fair enough? ScrapIronIV (talk) 17:48, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- I appreciate your praise and I'm honoured that you should find the articles on which I work so engaging (I'm sure Gavin will too). Let me clarify; I didn't and don't have a problem with the edit in general, and I would've been happy to discuss it per WP:BRD on the talk page. My problem was the constant reverting by both yourself and the IP. That is why I bit. I would be happy to consider implementing your edit as, in truth, I find it largely ok. In the body, we have explained that Manor Park was formally in Essex. Is it in the lead section that you would also like it clarified? Personally, I don't think the lead is the place for clarifications within parenthesis as it can become quite cluttered and make for some bumpy reading. I think the best thing is to discuss it, like adults, on the talk page so others can chip in and give their two penn'orth. Is that a worthy compromise? Cassianto 19:38, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- I will repeat that I like the way the articles you have contributed to have ended up, for the most part. You guys are better editors and authors than I am. My problem comes with the way you seem to automatically dismiss others' contributions, and an antagonistic approach to it. It could very well be warranted; this is a contentious place. It took me years before I decided to actually start to edit. It's a nasty place overall, with all kinds of negative personalities. Maybe I haven't given you guys a fair shake - but I felt bitten the one time we interacted. I was feeling that way again this morning. Some things seem simple - and the "birth place" for Holloway seems quite simple to me. It looked like blind reversions, coupled with tag-teaming. So, maybe it isn't, but from an outside view it looked that way. So, I will choose to apologize for my apparent incivility. I hope you will take a moment to try to look at it from my perspective, and maybe see that there there is a kernel of truth in my observation. Not all IP's are bad, and sometimes it may be possible that others' opinions are valid. It's an excellent article overall, and work that the contributors should be justifiably proud of. But maybe a tweak in one spot or another is not unwarranted. Fair enough? ScrapIronIV (talk) 17:48, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- I don't know. I try and steer clear of ANI as it's full of self serving and sycophantic arseholes most of the time. In terms of the stewardship; why the hell not? Have you seen the current state of Theatre Royal, Drury Lane? That is a prime example of what happens when the primary editors walk away and leave an FA to rot. Cassianto 16:49, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- I will answer your question with a question: Have you seen me file any requests at AN/I? What did I do the last time we "communicated" here on Holloway? I dropped the issue, looked at it from another perspective, and did not pursue it. In that one conversation, I learned a lot about your approach to the process. While I still think infoboxes are important - largely from a metadata and data mining perspective (allowing greater access to to data for more types of users, one of Misplaced Pages's stated goals) - it is not worth fighting with you. I have never brought anyone to the boards, except IP's making legal threats. I disagree with your approach to the articles you maintain your "stewardship" but I would not choose to drag my own name through the mud while slinging it at yours. ScrapIronIV (talk) 16:01, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- We do listen; however, most of the time we are not listened too and, like you correctly point out above, we receive no or little respect. I see you have "seen work"; similarly, you have seen us on the drama boards. This begs the question: have you only warred and been disruptive here to initiate a long and laborious thread at ANI? Cassianto 15:50, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- I gladly talk with those who listen. As far as civility is concerned, one reaps what one sows. One can be civil on the surface, and a petulant child behind the words. For me, it is much more civil to lecture little the schoolchildren, so that they might grow up to be truly civil in the full meaning of the word. Whether you choose to let that comment to refer to you and your playmates, or not, is entirely up to you. The philosophy of discipline remains unchanged. ScrapIronIV (talk) 13:43, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- Still uncivil, I see. If you decide not to take part in consensus-building discussions on a consensus-driven project, that is entirely up to you. - SchroCat (talk) 13:36, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Offering eyes
I noticed your request for eyes, regarding Fiat 130 HP. That's a nice looking article, good layout and at-a-glance information, precise short lead with a time. You may want to add a place there for those who don't know Fiat but might argue that they would not be interested in the article anyway. I could do without "true" in "a true champion".
I made minor changes with explanation in the edit summaries. Please replace all "bare urls" by a minimum of title and publisher (as now in the external link), adding date and author where available, and an accessdate if not a book. Happy racing! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:52, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you so very much; I will try to include your suggestions. I do not yet know how to add an accessdate, but will learn. I had chosen the word "true" because Fiat had not yet had a real winning design before the introduction of the 130 HP - if you know a better way to express that, I am open to suggestions. Perhaps eliminating the word altogether will still convey the idea. I really do appreciate your looking it over! ScrapIronIV (talk) 20:07, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- "true": Keeping things simple is my personal thing, not a rule ;) - I copied projects from 12 HP which seems a decent model to follow, I also added the new one to the navbox at the bottom (which you can edit by clicking on the little "e" in the upper left corner). I will add today's date as an accessdate to one ref, feel free to copy. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:19, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- Do you see what I see: if you fix all refs as you started and have one at the end of each paragraph, the article is eligible for the DYK (Did you know?) section of the Main page. I will nominate, you watch ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:34, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- I was unaware of that - there is still a lot about the workings of Misplaced Pages that I do not know; I have only recently begun to gain a little confidence and started to edit a bit more. I have certainly made my missteps along the way! I will try to get the rest of the refs fixed tomorrow; I am getting a DNS error on a couple at the moment. I have yard work to do tonight... funny how the real world interferes :-D Thank you again for all of your help! ScrapIronIV (talk) 20:41, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- Take it easy, you are doing fine. For DYK, you have a week after creation, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:46, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
- I agree with Gerda. I have left you some comments on the talk page. Just thread your responses underneath each comment as you go. If you disagree with any of them, don't worry, I won't "bite" :) Cassianto 21:37, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
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Notability
The females are clearly notable in that they were medalists for US National Championships for women in Judo. CrazyAces489 (talk) 14:49, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- Crispus Attucks is clearly notable, too - go pull the other leg, and stay off my page. Do not return unless it is mandated by administrative process. There is no need to respond, I know you get the message. ScrapIronIV (talk) 14:55, 16 April 2015 (UTC)