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Ohconfucius

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Request concerning Ohconfucius

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

TheSoundAndTheFury (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:20, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Ohconfucius (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Falun_Gong_2#Request_for_amendment_.28June_2014.29

User:Ohconfucius was previously indefinitely topic banned from Falun Gong-related page by Arbcom. The topic ban was provisionally suspended for a one-year trial period per this motion. I think a review of his conduct is in order before the probationary period expires.

During Ohconfucius’ one-year reprieve, he has continued a pattern of POV editing, edit warring, and commenting inappropriately on other users. Most worrying, he restored a polemical anti-Falun Gong essay in userspace after being told by arbitrators to permanently delete it.

Background (see also WP:GAME)

In July 2012, Arbcom voted to indefinitely ban Ohconfucius from Falun Gong-related topics due to edit warring, incivility, and violations of WP:NPOV.

In April 2014, Ohconfucius appealed to lift the topic ban, and assured arbitration committee that he would not return to editing Falun Gong.

Arbcom’s response to this request was tepid, but seven arbs ultimately agreed to provisionally suspend the ban with a probationary period of one year. One arbitrator said his agreement was conditional and asked Ohconfucius to "steer well clear of matters of controversy" related to Falun Gong.

Ohconfucius reneged on his promises and quickly resumed making controversial edits to Falun Gong articles. It seems to me that he had gamed the system, and not for the last time.

He was brought back to Arbcom. The arbitrators again urged caution; one arb said to "move on" from editing Falun Gong, and another told him that he must permanently delete all of the anti-Falun Gong essays that he kept in his userspace and refrain from commenting on other editors or else he (the arbitrator) would request reinstatement of the ban.

Ohconfucius deleted the offending essays in his userspace. After the ArbCom case was closed, however, he simply reposted a permalinked version on his user page. This week he restored the page entirely.

Violations of WP:ATTACK, WP:HARASS, WP:POLEMIC

– Ohconfucius’ polemical essay on Falun Gong contains attacks against named individuals, groups, and several Misplaced Pages editors (myself included), violating WP:NPA, WP:ATTACK, WP:HARASS, and WP:POLEMIC. Note that Ohconfucius has been told on two occasions, by two members of Arbcom, that this essay is inappropriate. User:Seraphimblade told him to permanently delete it or else face reimposition of the topic ban.

Violations of WP:NPOV

Ohconfucius has continued previous patterns of POV editing. Most edits involve deleting/whitewashing reliably sourced information on the Chinese government’s human rights practices or claiming material is not supported by sources when it actually is.

Violation of WP:WAR

Ohconfucius made multiple reverts on September 9 on a Falun Gong-related article, ignoring talk page discussions. (Note: I initially thought these were a 3RR violation, but because some were performed in succession, it’s actually more like 3 reverts).

– misstates facts about the history of the 610 Office

– reverts (apparently convinced that he's right, while he's not)

– deletes information because it was unsourced (see bottom of diff)

– after a source was added, deletes it again

– deletes information from lede

– deletes again

– adds quote from Chinese government source and omits Ownby's views

– same edit again

– deletes information about man in Chengde

– deletes again (he's right about this one, but a revert nonetheless)

Violations of WP:CIVIL

– This talk page discussion is representative of an inability to assume good faith and a reflexive tendency to personalize discussions – something he’s been warned about repeatedly.

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

• Mentioned by name in the Arbitration Committee's Final Decision linked to above: yes
• Previously blocked as a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict, see the block log linked to above: yes
• Participated in an arbitration request or enforcement procedure about the area of conflict in the last twelve months (see the background section): yes

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Just a quick comment. I believe Ohconfucius' reply elucidates the problem. Instead of addressing his apparent breaches of policy and ArbCom rulings, such as direct personal attacks and using Misplaced Pages as a platform for ax-grinding and polemics, we get more name-calling from a seemingly unblockable ivory tower and "no further comments." I am not a Falun Gong activist or a so-called Falun Gongster and fundamentally do not see this as a content dispute. Neither have I said that Ohconfucius is "pro-regime." I stated that the direction of his edits on this topic generally serve to improve the image of the Chinese government. Note that he admits to editing from an "anti-Falun Gong" viewpoint instead of NPOV and seems to perceive the Falun Gong namespace as a zero-sum game. There were valid reasons for his indefinite topic ban in the first place; later he was put on probation, and I simply believe the situation should be assessed once again. Best regards. TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 14:46, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Ohconfucius

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Statement by Ohconfucius

I have said time and again that I try hard to leave my personal opinions outside of the mainspace articles. Nowadays, I only make a very small number of edits on Falun Gong topics, yet I still get continually attacked by Falun Gong activists, so I'm not going to dwell on the issue before us. Falun Gong are known for their tenacity and relentlessness, wearing their critics down. The attacks were stressful for me in the past. I just find their attacks on me tiring. Tiring that the Falun Gong activists manifest the very intolerance of criticism of their movement that the Regime does with people who criticise their rule. I have repeatedly asserted that the Falun Gong and the Regime are heavily shaped by the Cultural Revolution, and are thus the antitheses of each other, and this observation/position appears to rile Falun Gong activists.

This request is yet another content dispute with the filer of the request and User:TheBlueCanoe, both of whom have a history of editing Falun Gong articles from what I believe is a highly partisan and advocate's viewpoint and with whom I have had running content disputes over the years. A new and inexperienced Falun Gong editor, who for the moment shall remain nameless, has joined their ranks recently, and may have contributed with text copied verbatim from elsewhere. I would merely say that I find copyright violations equally objectionable as the propaganda of the Falun Dafa and of the Regime, and part of that editing work is to remove copyvios or otherwise make clear that these are positions and not fact. All my edits have, I believe, adequate edit summaries explaining my rationale. Whilst the complainant has only found examples he objects to showing my bias, he failed to give me any credit for this comment (for example), which certainly shows that I am editing objectively and in good faith.

The Regime almost insists upon the "L'état, c'est moi" conflation between the party and the state in the same way as Falun Gongsters insist on labelling all people who do not support their movement as supporters of the Regime. IIndeed, I restored the essay within my own userspace after learning about the former's complaint to EdJohnson, in which he repeated his previous provocative smear that I was somehow "pro-Regime". It made me suspect whether he understood that anti-Regime people can also be anti-Falun Gong. If the distinction between the two is not clear in his own head, one must question whether he ought to be editing such polemic topics on Wikiepdia.

In view of the foregoing, I would state that the assembled should not be too surprised if there were no further comments from me on this case. -- Ohc  05:02, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

• Please do not be misled into confusing my fatigue of Falun Gong shenanigans with arrogance. I certainly do not feel I am unblockable, though my two principal accusers seem to share the belief that I think I'm immune to sanction. I am but an ordinary editor who does not want any further personal emotional reaction (i.e. stress) to this topic, and certainly no further drama. The editing issues being complained of here are content disputes – exactly the same as the last time – despite the attempt to position them otherwise. As I already stated above, I reinstated my essay because there seems to be some fundamental questions as to my allegiances and stance. Even after its reinstatement, it appears that there continues to be miscomprehension and even misrepresentation of my personal position and editing stance. Notwithstanding, to save myself reinventing the wheel at every juncture, I feel that the content of my essay is of value. Writing essays is a valid expression of one's personal sentiments, and serves to document emotional and editing issues faced every day on Misplaced Pages, so I would oppose its outright deletion of my effort because editing of Falun Gong articles is a rather unique experience. However, as it appears that there may be some sensitivity to the naming of names therein, I will make suitable redaction. I hope that will be satisfactory. -- Ohc  03:25, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Statement by John Carter

It is worth noting that this subject has already been discussed with Ed Johnston at User talk:EdJohnston#Request for reinstating indefinite topic ban on User:Ohconfucius and the comments Ed made in response.

I also think it worth noting that the previous arbitrations have made it rather obvious that this is a vital article to the Falun Gong movement, which is remarkably active in the West, and that editors associated with the movement have been much more "sanctioned" historically than others. As for the claims that Ohconfucius' edits are ideologically-driven, I would be interested in knowing what "ideology" is allegedly driving him, because that has not so far as I have seen been indicated, and he has in the past reacted very strongly and negatively to allegations of being on the side of the PRC, understandably, I think. I also note as per his history that he has edited other, related articles in the broad qigong field, and that it is primarily on the basis of his work that the only FG FA out there exists. None of that is indicative of any sort of ideological involvement to my eyes, let alone being driven by ideology. John Carter (talk) 20:31, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Statement by coldacid (uninvolved)

Despite the conversation on EdJohnston's talk, this essay is certainly questionable, and considering Seraphimblade's comment in the June 2014 amendment request, it seems that Ohconfucius is definitely tempting fate. Whether this is the editor taking the WP:ROPE they were given and hanging themself with it, or not, I can't say. For sure, though, we should hear from Seraphimblade on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by coldacid (talk • contribs) 02:30, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

I have to agree with TheSoundAndTheFury's "quick comment". Regardless of the content dispute, Ohconfucius' attitude even here on this AE request demonstrates that the editor should be strongly encouraged to edit other topics. At the very least, they should be topic-banned from anything relating to Falun Gong, and their attack essay deleted and salted. Ohconfucius has been given enough rope. @Seraphimblade: Would still like to hear from you on this. // coldacid (talk|contrib) 15:45, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Comment by My very best wishes

This edit by Ohconfucius strikes me as very recent and highly problematic (I know how important this article is to Falun Gong propagandists, but you should accept it as an unfortunate consequence of one of your fellow FLG editors choosing to plagiarise an entire chunk of it). Otherwise, I am not sure this AE request would be reasonable, given that most other diffs/edits by Ohconfucius were rather old (although also problematic), and Arbcom did not ask for reviewing this matter after a year, judging from their motion. My very best wishes (talk) 18:26, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

I do not think that editors in this area should be cursed and treated as "Falun Gongsters" (per Ohconfucious). During FG-2 case I talked with some of them, and they looked as good-faith and highly educated contributors, and in particular, User:Homunculus, very different from crude political SPA I have met in other subject areas. Unfortunately, she is no longer active in the project, just as many others, possibly due to the disputes and sanctions...

I think it would be fine for Ohconfucius to express his opinion about editing FG in his essay. However, he targeted several specific contributors: "more sophisticated undeclared/clandestine FLG advocates who are well versed in Misplaced Pages's policies appeared. Homunculus and TheSoundAndTheFury ..." and links them to WP:COI (in the end of the paragraph). I do not really know: perhaps there is an evidence of their WP:COI? If so, Ohconfucius must provide his evidence here, and these contributors should be sanctioned? But I did not see anything about their WP:COI during FG-2 case... My very best wishes (talk) 22:47, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Re to comment by Ohconfucius on my talk page . Yes, Ohconfucius removed these passages from his essay dated April 2 2015. Yes, that would be fine and sufficient, but he continue blaming others as "Gongsters" and "Falun Gong advocates" on this very page (see his statement above) and even on my talk page. No, this is not a fair assessment of these people, given their contributions to the project . My very best wishes (talk) 15:41, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

• In summary, I think this is hardly a reasonable AE request based on the most recent diffs (and it could be left without action), however given the suspended topic ban, a review of editing by Ohconfucious during the entire year and based on all provided diffs would still be reasonable. My very best wishes (talk) 01:27, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Statement by TheBlueCanoe

Here’s what Seraphimblade said at arbitration:

“If Ohconfucius' pattern of commenting on editors rather than edits continues or speculating on their motives, I'll be in favor of reinstating the topic ban. In that vein, Ohconfucius:, I will be requesting reinstatement of the topic ban if you do not get rid of all of your userspace material on Falun Gong and leave it gone.”

Reposting an archived version of the userspace essay less than a month later was clearly defying the spirit, if not the letter, of the request. More interesting is that Ohconfucius completely restored the essay last week, after a complaint about it was filed on EdJohnston’s talk page. I have no idea how to account for this--tempting fate, or maybe Ohconfucius thinks he's unblockable.

On the NPOV issue, some of these diffs bear examining more closely:

• Deletes information claiming it’s not in the source, but it was.

• Deletes information about torture, saying he wasn’t clear on the source, but the source was clearly cited.

• - Adds a notability tag to the article, saying all mentions of the subject are trivial. The subject was the central focus of articles by several major news organizations--something no impartial editor would call trivial coverage.

• Says reports of torture is merely a Falun Gong allegation, which it’s not.

I’ve tried to give the benefit of the doubt that these were all honest mistakes, and maybe they are. But looking more closely at the history I’m not so sure, and it does seem that the user is ideologically driven. Certainly some of the reasons he’s given for deleting cited information on these pages are pretty flimsy (e.g. )

It also goes without saying that I don’t appreciate the insinuations that I’m a sock, a “meatpuppet” or a “Falun Gong propagandists” for trying to address and correct the issues I see on these pages.TheBlueCanoe 16:34, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Result concerning Ohconfucius

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• As a purely procedural note, the view I expressed regarding Ohconfucius' userspace material was an opinion of mine, and was not part of the formal terms of the restriction being suspended. That does not, of course, mean that I'm particularly thrilled to see they were restored, but that is not in itself grounds to revoke the suspension. There may exist other grounds to do so, if so, I'm sure the admins here will make that call. Seraphimblade 17:46, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Restored this complaint from archive 15 April. EdJohnston (talk) 14:48, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Nado158

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Request concerning Nado158

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Peacemaker67 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 12:57, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Nado158 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia#Standard discretionary sanctions :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 24 March 2015 Editing article about a Serbian soccer team to chnage the name from the English language version to the Serbian language version (this is very similar editing to that which resulted in his indefinite ban)
2. 29 March 2015 Editing article about a Belgrade soccer team to change the name from the English language version to the Serbian language version (again, the same pattern as previously)
3. 11 April 2015 Removed mention of the involvement of Serb Chetniks alongside Axis troops in the Kozara Offensive, with the edit summary "No Chetniks". This is a clear POV-warrior move, as the academic literature is crystal clear that a Chetnik leader called Rade Radic and his detachment participated on the Axis side against the Yugoslav Partisans during this offensive.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

1. 22 February 2013 Nado158 is banned for 1 year from "from all articles and discussions related to Serbia, Kosovo, and Albania, broadly construed"
2. 15 June 2014 Nado158 is topic-banned from everything related to Serbia, Kosovo, and Albania (this was an indefinite ban).

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

• Most recently given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on 15 June 2014 by Sandstein (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA).

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I would probably not have come across Nado158 if it was not for the most recent edit. I had some minor dealings with him over some problematic edits back in 2013, but nothing since then that I can recall. Having looked at his edit history and previous bans, it would appear that he is continuing with exactly the same behaviour he was previously banned for.

I will just add that Nado158 clearly doesn't care about the TBAN, as he appears to think that this is about the content of his edits rather than the fact that he has contravened the TBAN. The community can't have editors who ignore TBANs. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 16:54, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

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Discussion concerning Nado158

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Statement by Nado158

Oh come on, first the Name is not BSK Beograd, this is a false lemma, as well as "Sabac Stadium". On WP are lemmas to be preferred in the local language, you know that. The name is Beogradski SK and not BSK Beograd (which is a artificial lemma which does not exist). Also, the stadium Name is Gradski stadium Sabac (Sabac City Stadium) and not Sabac Stadium. The current versions are wrong. I also have removed tha part about the Chetniks, because there is no source available. Your intentions are clear, I see absolutely no willingness for cooperation from your side. But, I see insinuations and offensive behavior against me without reason. Did I revert you? No. Have you tried to start a discussion? No. You acted instantly offensively and unbiased, and way is clear who processed here every day in this field. I am not the POV-Warrior here.--Nado158 (talk) 14:36, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

The ban previously were exaggerated, based in part on incorrect facts and were so picky placed in the wrong light as you try now and have nothing to do with the things now. Again, did I revert you? No. Have you tried to start a discussion? No. Did i removed somethin what had a source? No. Did i put my POV ther? No. Did I removed the correct names and put the wrong name there? No.--Nado158 (talk) 14:51, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

I don t understand. really. I had beem previously unjustly punish. Because of this processing (See here ) Please keep in mind exactly. I updated the article, add sources, and the other User reverted me. On prejudice, without arguments, discussion or sources. How can that be? He broke the WP-rules, not me. And i would punished??? And this with the support of the Croatian and controvers Admins Joy, who often abused his position for his controvers POV. How can that be please? Not I broken the rules, the other user. And Joy abused his admin options. Luckily someone else had seen. Nevertheless, I was punished for nothing. Look here ). Please look and this. I was punished, although this processing has proved to be true. I cant believe it till today what have you done to me. To date, the lemma is false. I tried to improve and to update this article, but I was constantly attacked, accused, etc. Although I was right at the end and that's why I was punished??? Where is the justice? This is very very unfair what are you doing with me. At the time I tried to explain everything, but nobody answered to me, no one was listening to my arguments, just like today. All wrote and talked as if I do not exist. Why??? That's not fair.. Like now. That's not fair. Look here (). This is not a profile of a rampaging nationalist user or POV-Warrior.

The user who is accused me constantly are involved in conflicts and has an anti-Serbian attitude. Please look at his profile and his resume on WP. Please. As soon as I'm back, he is trying to represent me like a bad man for nothing. You's doing me wrong, again and again and gives me no chance. Simply because I am going to upgrade Football Articles and for that i will be punished, ridiculous, sorry. This are Serbian Football not Croatian ect. Did i make racist statements or POV? No. And, I've removed the Chetniks, because after the sentence was not a source. The rest of the text I have not read. Also in the infobox I saw no Chetniks. So that's why I removed it. Why he has not show me the source? And beside this, I also have not reverted him or anything, just for this I am attacked so hard. I did not even reverted. I saw later it was true. This is ridiculous what's going on. Sad.Nado158 (talk) 08:11, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Look here https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:FK_Partizan_Kosovska_Mitrovica, Nobody was interested until this article till today, he was false and miserable, so I had updated the text. I have pointed out before, wanted a discussion, at some point I started to work with my own hands, because nobody react, and what you do, you ban me out for correct information and because of the updat of the WP article, and the one who broke the rules and acussed me, reverted all the work which was sourced you let unpunished, I was punsihed for the info which was correct. He remains unpunished. THANK YOU WP-Team. Now the same again, now for three words, 2 right words and 1 removed word for a thing, because i didnt saw a source there. New record for the WP-guiness book. Thank you.Nado158 (talk) 08:55, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

@Ymblanter...I belive i speak with a wall here. I said I was bannade before unjustly. Because of this processing (See here ) Please keep in mind exactly. I updated the article, add sources, and the other User reverted me. On prejudice, without arguments, discussion or sources. How can that be? And the funny thing, I made the update, the things was correct, and I was punished???????? And you speak about my topic ban, the topic ban was fake. And Again, my Edits was right, Beogradski sport klub (Belgrade Sports Club) not BSK Beograd. You can se this. For funny things i am attacked.Nado158 (talk) 18:54, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Statement by OccultZone

@Zad68: Yes the blocking admin was involved and it was not an AE block. You can read more at User talk:Joy#Use of very long blocks in a case in which you are involved. Nado158 is not an active editor and his sanctions were updated by Sandstein on 15 June 2014. Thus the block from 2 June 2014 should not influence on this complaint. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 04:24, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

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Result concerning Nado158

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From a June 2014 AE, "Nado158 is topic-banned, as described in WP:TBAN, from everything related to Serbia, Kosovo, and Albania". The first diff shows editing about football in Serbia. So we can tell these edits are contrary to his ban without needing to look into the actual naming issues. I'd recommend an AE block of appropriate duration. EdJohnston (talk) 15:31, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

• Yes this is actionable. Last AE blocks were in April 2014 for 48 hours, and then one in June for one month, but the block log says the block was "Removed" because the blocking admin was involved. So we do not count that one at all? I am inclined to ignore that June 2014 block altogether. Given the length of time since the last block and the duration of that block I'm leaning toward something like a block between 2 days and a week. Striking the part discussing duration because I want to look at it a bit closer. Zad68 15:39, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

I am afraid we need an AE block of a medium duration here, the user is very explicit that they are not going to respect the topic ban.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:05, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Parishan

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Appealing user

Parishan (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – Parishan (talk) 17:26, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Sanction being appealed

Ban from the article Caucasian Albania and its Talk page for one week, imposed at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Ninetoyadome

Administrator imposing the sanction

Zad68 (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Notification of that administrator

Statement by Parishan

The sanction was applied for "(1) edit warring, (2) baiting, and (3) failing to cite reliable sources".

1. I do not believe that three reverts in a three-week period really qualify as "edit-warring".
2. I had made a sincere effort to warn the other user (Ninetoyadome) to make better use of talkpages on Armenia-Azerbaijan-related articles instead of reverting them blindly. I certainly did not wait around for the 1RR restriction (in place for the article Caucasian Albania for all users) period to expire to make that edit; if one looks in my history, that was my first edit on that day (not counting a small edit I made just a minute prior). If I had had an interest in baiting Ninetoyadome, there were multiple opportunities for that weeks earlier because he had reverted that article more than once (and not only that one, cf. his block for a month for edit-warring and violating his 1RR restriction on many AA2 articles) and had been ignoring the discussion page for two weeks, leaving questions addressed to him with regard to his recent addition to the article unanswered. I referred the user to the talkpage one last time in my edit made to remove the controversial addition (it also seemed the only way to direct his attention to the article in question). He chose to revert me, again without replying. Logically it does not make much sense for someone who is out to bait a user to give so much chance to the 'baited' user to redeem themselves, therefore I question the accuracy of this observation by Zad68.
3. I do not see how I was expected to focus more on reliable sourcing than I had already done. I was one of the few users who actually did refer to reliable sources and suggest that others had not done so. It was not me who added new information to the article, to begin with. Hence it was not up to me to provide sources to substantiate it. I do not believe "failing to provide sources" is accurate criticism in my case.

Statement by Zad68

Statement by (Cale Davinci)

My comment does not concern the merits of the sanction, but my frustration in regards to the editing of the article Caucasian Albania mentioned here (which caused the said sanction). My position is made clear in the talk page. I offered an alternative that neither of the two editors involved here replied to. I don't know if Parishan even agree with that alternative. The only reply I received which directly had anything to do with my proposition was from Hayordi, who mainly made clear that he was absolutely not open for any sort of concession. Personally, I believe that the box removed by Parishan had little place there, and I am completely neutral when I write that. On the other hand, it is hard to not add anything as alternative, given that the only material scholars have of that country from that country was written in Armenian (from what one can gather from some basic search in the relevant databases without using any filters). What I proposed was to drop Armenia and replace it with a more appropriate box (I have given two alternatives).

The problem is that editors are free to edit, but everyone has his own standards which is dependant to their inherent à priori biases. If I ask Parishan what standards he uses to include and exclude material, those standards will be different than his opponents. So what I basically proposed was a standardized structure everyone could agree with and how to achieve that. But after much writings and being unheard, I decided it was better for me to just quit before I regret having been here. Cale Davinci (talk) 19:11, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Statement by (involved editor 2)

Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Parishan

Result of the appeal by Parishan

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Xtremedood

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Request concerning Xtremedood

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

OccultZone (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 22:32, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Xtremedood (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

WP:ARBIPA.

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

• Edit warring across multiple namespaces.

Battle of Lohgarh.

Battle of Muktsar.

Indo-Pakistani War of 1971.

• Apparent eagerness to make many reverts.

• Using an outdated source without consensus and endlessly arguing over it, while misrepresenting an official source as primary source, even though figure is supported by independent sources such as this. Furthermore he questioned these unchallenged figures without showing any evidence and right after claiming that "Misplaced Pages is not the place for this type of original research that you may be proposing." Next sentence reads "These figures (8,000 for India and 3,000 for Pakistan) should therefore remain. It is certainly better than the Government of India source (which is definitely not neutral)."
• Content blanking. Edit summary reads "Do not revert, if you have issues take it to talk page." Although it is him who had to describe these controversial changes first, and discussed upon using the article talk page.
• Attempted to nominate a highly notable subject for deletion. This comment, no matter how meaningless it is, but clear attempt to WP:SOAPBOX. Other attempt to soapbox include, Indo-Pakistani War of 1965("re-quoted from Indian Express Group, not neutral".) Here he found a WP:RS to be non neutral for no special reason.

• Referring non-vandalism edits as 'vandalism', which is generally considered as a personal attack by many. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 22:32, 16 April 2015‎ (UTC)

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

1. Date Explanation
2. Date Explanation

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since 1 April 2015.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Yamaguchi先生 is not pushing your POV in this edit that you have added as support towards your edit. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 05:17, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Xtremedood

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Statement by Xtremedood

Hello,

• All of those reverts stated were based on reasonable and sound justifications. Feel free to ask me about any of them.
• The source is a legitimate source. It was published approximately 11 years from the actual incident and is being utilized by academic sources that are more recent. It was published by a well respected and reputable publisher, Sage publications. The source by the Indian Government belongs in the Indian Claims section. Since the section exists (which it did prior to my making these edits), then it certainly belongs in that section. A review of the history details this. If you have any other neutral sources feel free to include them, however as it stands with the figure by the Government of India verses the figures by Small and Singer, the only neutral source that is justified to be in the main section (non-Indian claims) is this. Calling a source outdated just because it may not adhere to a nationalistic understanding of historical events is not justified in my opinion. It is certainly the closest to neutral source available for kill counts on the page so far.
• The Battle of Lohgarh and Battle of Muktsar issues follows some extreme vandalism of these pages and also some other pages of the category involving the Mughal-Sikh wars. also left a comment regarded the extreme vandalisms of users like AK107839 and Aradhyasharma who also left nasty comments on my talk page. Their extreme vandalism (operating under a multitude of different aliases) prompted swift reactions from users like Kansas Bear and other concerned wikipedia users. As we can see, there is continued vandalism with 223.225.234.94, 223.225.241.71, 223.225.247.171, etc. refusing requests of Kansas Bear and others to stop vandalizing the Mughal-Sikh Wars section. As we can see in this link, the vandalism is extreme. Vandals continually refused Kansas Bear's requests to discuss the situation. It was not only Kansas Bear and I that are trying to revert the vandalism on the Battle of Lohgarh and Battle of Muktsar pages. Other well-respected users are also trying to remove the vandalism on Mughal-Sikh War pages. For example, users Yamaguchi先生 and Richard Harvey have tried to stop the vandalism issues as well..

My comments are therefore justified. I request OccultZone to stop acting upon nationalistic tendencies and rather to focus on impartial and sound sources, which are neutral and correct. Hindu and Sikh nationalism is not an excuse to promote biased and incorrection statements. It is also not a justification to attack those who want sound and correct information on Misplaced Pages. Xtremedood (talk) 04:32, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Synopsis: As of yet, the Small and Singer source for the 1971 source is legitimate and a well-respected publication. It is not outdated as it is being used by more recent publications. I was working to counter the vandalism on the Mughal-Sikh Wars section that continues on. I am doing something similar to what Kansas Bear,Yamaguchi先生 and Richard Harvey are doing by countering the vandalism. I am requesting to not revert, as long as you do not have a credible source to back up your claim (which those who are doing the vandalism have not shown). Nationalistic tendencies is not a justification for vandalism. Nationalistic tendencies is not a justification to call the Small and Singer source as outdated). Xtremedood (talk) 04:55, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Xtremedood

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