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Hello, Korean wikipedians and non-korean wikipedians interested in Korea (both south and north).

There's also a Korean Misplaced Pages. http://ko.wikipedia.org 한국어 위키백과도 있습니다. http://ko.wikipedia.org

Let's talk about various themes about Korean items in Misplaced Pages. Here are several themes being discussed at the same time. Please do not write your opinion just at the end of this page, but tail it in each section.

Finished business is moved to the archive after a decent interval. You can find the archive at Misplaced Pages talk:Korea-related topics notice board/Archive1.

Announcements

Items prior to December 2005 can be found in the archive

Peer review

Requesting peer review for South Korea, so we can hopefully get to FAC sometime this month. Comment here, if you'd like: Misplaced Pages:Peer review/South Korea. Thanks! -- Visviva 09:25, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Galbijim (from main page)

this is a wiki started by myself and a few friends who also live in Korea in much the same manner that Wookieepedia was started, to have a site with much more specific information on anything for expats in Korea in addition to any of the content one might see. Thus far it has almost 1900 pages, and in some places like lakes it has more information, on history it has almost nothing, other pages such as the list of movie theatres that do not show credits are way too specific to be shown here, and others such as hanja level 8 are for studying the language only and would be for wiktionary over here if anything. Same software and same license so people may contribute over there or take information and bring it over here as needed. Mithridates 07:13, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Looks interesting. Good luck! -- Visviva 03:28, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Naming conventions

A discussion has begun at Misplaced Pages talk:Naming conventions (Korean) over various tweaks to the Korean naming conventions. Topics include surnames, counties, temples, rivers, and mountains. Please comment! -- Visviva 06:28, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Requests for information or comment

Old and satisfied requests are listed in the archive.

Korean name needed

Do you need the Korean name(s) of something or somebody? Post a link to the article here.

Hanja needed

Do you need hanja to complete a name table? Post a link to the article here.

Hello, my contributions to Misplaced Pages are irregular (and tend to come in spurts), but I think I can often try to help with Hanja as I have some idea of how Korean Hanja (and Japanese kanji) pronunciations link to those in my native language (Cantonese), so that I can often come up with the correct Hanja. Please leave a message if you think I may be of help. (I just added Hanja to Yeongyang.) -- KittySaturn 18:20, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

I would like to request for the hanja and hangul for East Asian Tigers. Thanks. — Instantnood 07:20, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

The term doesn't seem to be widely used, but it would be translated as 동아시아의 호랑이, which yields a stunning 3 Google hits. There is surely a more idiomatic translation. Help, anyone? -- Visviva 03:43, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
I get three times as many Google hits for 사소룡. Wikipeditor 14:39, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Good one! The hanja of course being 四小龍. Looks like a keeper. I wonder if Instantnood is still watching this page ... or remembers why he needed this information? -- Visviva 16:08, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Proposals

Old items are listed in the archive.

Collaboration of the month

Other

Request for revert moves.

Someone moved several Korea-related pages. For example, he moved Kim Young-sam to Gim Yeongsam, and Chun Doo-hwan to Jeon Duhwan. Please see Special:Contributions/§ -- ChongDae 22:54, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Need Korean perspective on issue

The article Seal (Chinese) already has the Chinese and Japanese uses, but we need a Korean perspective too. For example, what do seals look like in Korea and how often are they used and for what purpose? --Jiang 00:19, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

You mean the Imperial Seal of Korea? I have not heard of such thing being existing. Could be existing. --Dooly00000 13:02 24 June, 2006 (UTC)

Odd articles

I'm just going to mention a couple of articles that I've run across lately. They seem, well, odd. I'll add more if I run across them. Any help in understanding these articles, and how they can best be made into useful parts of Misplaced Pages, would be appreciated:

  • Koreaphobia -- can this ever be more than a foreign-language dicdef?
  • Gangpeh -- is this term actually used (in English-language discourse)? if so, by whom? (A Google search turned up mostly online gamers). If not, how should our treatment of Korean organized crime be structured?

Thanks! -- Visviva 13:30, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

  • Regarding Koreaphobia, I think that's relating to the one of the African-American shot by Korean shopkeeper in 1990's. This caused not only controversey because of shootings, also main reason is that, Ice Cube, the ex-NWA member has made rap lyric regarding this. Link regaring this can be found here: http://hcs.harvard.edu/yisei/issues/spring_92/ys92_6.html
  • Gangpeh, 깡패, Can be also mentioned as Jopok, 조폭, which is short for jojik-pokryukbae, 조직폭력배, or Organized Mob. Usually, it's both, but in the term of law, the latter is more commonly used, while first is more commonly used as pointing someone more of an outlaw, a one who uses strength to gain whatever.

--Dooly00000 13:01 24 June, 2006 (UTC)

korean company stub sub-category

i noticed that Korean stubs category is full of korean companies, that would be better organized under its own subcategory. i tried to create a korean company stub subcategory , but if someone knows how to do this already, i would really appreciate it. i can then get moving on just the fun & exciting part, actually re-categorizing the stub articles. thanks. Appleby 17:53, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

thanks. i've blanked the two pages i created, & will starting moving things to your corp category. Appleby 18:26, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Note that these have been renamed via WP:SFD to Category:Korean company stubs and {{korea-company-stub}}, with {{korea-corp-stub}} remaining as a redirect. --TheParanoidOne 06:46, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Romanization for Bohai-related articles

I proposed to use Pinyin as the default romanization for Bohai-related articles (again). If you are interested, add your comments at Talk:Bohai. --Nanshu 10:27, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Religious articles needing cleanup

OK, I realize that pretty much all religion-related Coreana are in need of cleanup, but I stumbled across a whole clutch of "new" ones that seriously need some work. Any help much appreciated. See Category:Poch'ongyo and Category:Jeung San Do. -- Visviva 13:11, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Nationalistic bias in Kumdo-related articles

I thought I'd bring this to the attention of people who might care or know a little more than the small group of us who have been following these disputes.

Basically, articles about Kumdo have been frequently edited and reverted back and forth with obvious anti-Korean and anti-Japanese biases. These articles include:

The first two have settled into something resembling NPOV, but are still frequently reverted to their biased state on occasion by a few dedicated users (who will also strip any POV-check tags appearing on the articles). AKADriver 18:21, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

merger proposals

need comments on proposed mergers & help with clean-up of these articles:

2006 Winter Olympics (from front page)

The 2006 Winter Olympics is coming up. This may be a good time to expand on Category:South Korean speed skaters. I just edited Kim Ki-hoon and Chun Lee-kyung to include infoboxes (please verify for correctness). There are many Korean speed skaters with no biographies. Please check the medal winners' charts in the following, and create articles for them if you can:

--Endroit 20:08, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

How'd we do? -- Visviva 02:59, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

simplifying layout

can we pare down the categories here, to maybe 4 or 5? "to create", "to translate", "need images", and everything else, under something like "to improve"? if we had a large active group of editors & articles constantly being worked on, it might make sense to triage expand/cleanup/review, but at this point, all these articles need any type of editing they can get, & it would improve the aesthetics & user-friendliness of this list & the portal, imho. Appleby 00:42, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. -- Visviva 00:53, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Strange edits by User:Hardyandtiny

The above user has visited the Itaewon page and changed some of the text there, essentially: "military personnel from Yongsan garrison and the UN base as well as civilian visitors from the wider world" to "foreigners" and "English-speaking cutie peeking out of a doorway" to "prostitute" (diff:)

I reverted the initial change as I felt it took some of the life out of an article about a vibrant, diverse part of Seoul. I also left a note on the users talk page (along with a welcome message, this is a brand new user) but the change was remade almost instantly. I'd be interested to hear everyone - especially Hardyandtiny's - views on these changes, I personally think the original sounded better and is a great description of what goes on in Itaewon. The changes strike me as somewhat sanitary and that's not, imo, supposed to get in the way of good prose in WP articles.

Significant and imo often misleading, or just wrong changes have also been made to Juicy girl (diff:) and Yongsan Garrison (diff:). If indeed this is a new user then hopefully they will be able to understand why their edits might not be appropriate, I would love to see other Korea-minded editors generate a consensus on what to do here. Deizio 01:28, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

East Sea

there's a long-festering issue & pet peeve with the East Sea page. the primary, if not the only, meaning of "East Sea" in english is as an alternate name for the Sea of Japan. major english dictionaries & encyclopedias effectively "redirect" readers to their "Sea of Japan" entries. in contrast, in wikipedia, searching for "East Sea" does not redirect you to the primary english meaning, but a disambiguation page that incorrectly identifies "East Sea" as merely a foreign term translation, even though its meaning as the Sea of Japan is found in major english reference works. please see User:Appleby/Sea for details & linked citations.

this issue has gone through ad nauseum debate & even to mediation, but nothing's come of it, due to a handful of editors determined to make this some type of nationalistic game, instead of simply relying on independent references. please help apply the wikipedia policies (majority view determined by widely accepted reference works, cannot be overridden by consensus of wikipedians). the party's mainly at Talk:Sea of Japan, but the work needs to be done at East Sea and East Sea (disambiguation). thanks.

this is not about nationalism, the "sea of japan" article is not going to be retitled "east sea." but at the "east sea" entry, wikipedia needs to enforce its own non-negotiable policy of reflecting the content of major reference works.Appleby 23:45, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

== POV I found that the article Sea of Japan has "Sea of Japan (East Sea)" whenever it refers to that sea. Doesn't it sorta imply that "Sea of Japan" is the official name of the sea and "East Sea" is just some name made up by Koreans? I suggest that you make it into "East Sea/Sea of Japan" or "Sea of Japan/East Sea" (w/ slash instead of parentheses), which sounds lot more NPOV. Frosty 22:01, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Military ranks and romanization

I noticed that the article Comparative military ranks of Korea had the romanizations completely backwards or sometimes just wrong. North Korean ranks were all in Revised Romanization, South Korean ranks were all in McCune-Reischauer with the diacritics left off, and "j" and "ch" were used interchangeably in both.

I corrected that article, but it's opened a Pandora's box of incorrect romanizations in the articles it links to. The worst example: Taejang describes the South Korean rank 대장 (4-Star General), and Daejang describes its North Korean equivalent! AKADriver 16:20, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Saemangum Seawall

Hey everyone

I just created a short article on the Saemangum Seawall, which is now the longest dyke in the world. It doesn't really link to anything at the moment so if someone wants to work on it some more, that would be great. Cheers. --Roisterer 13:56, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

BTW, there is an article de:Wattenmeer Saemangeum (“새만금 wadden sea”) at the German WP. Is 새만금 a term without any Sino-Korean elements? Is 만 灣, by any chance? If it is not Sino-Korean, what does the name mean? Wikipeditor 21:15, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it's 만 灣, which is "Sea Bay" character. --Dooly0000013:02, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

The North Korean famine

I was rather surprised no one started the article earlier. Anyway, I started it and thought I'd have you take a look at it. What do you think? What would you like to add and improve there?

Anyway, on the {{korean}} template, there was a "Tasks you can help with" dropdown and there's where I saw that "North Korean famine" wasn't created yet. --Shultz IV 00:27, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

It's a decent enough start, but could use a more neutral (less sarcastic/facetious) tone. Also, statements such as "(Kim Il-Sung) realized that the only way he would save the country is through Reunification" really, really, really need to be backed up with some sort of source. (Actually, I would say that the above statement is unsupportable in a fairly absolute way, but won't, since there's always the possibility that you have access to some paper (personal or otherwise) where Kim Il-Sung recognized the need for unification with South Korea in order to save his country.) --Zonath 02:43, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Supreme Court of Korea

I started an article on the Supreme Court of (South) Korea, and would like maybe a few collaborators, if possible. Cheers. --Zonath 04:04, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Note: To find this very nice article, go to Supreme Court of South Korea. -- Visviva 04:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

North/South company stub sorting

I proposed to add separate North Korea and South Korea company stubs, since the current Korea company stub category is getting pretty big, the North Korean companies are fascinating, the two economies are completely separate, and until recently, the old stub template had a South Korean flag on it. Add your input to the proposal here. — AKADriver ☎ 19:03, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Retranslation Requests

I'd have to disagree. Both the McCune-Reischauer and Revised romanizations indicate that ㄴㄹ is properly rendered (in most cases) by "ll." Also, Shin-La would not accurately represent the Korean pronunciation of the word. Of course, neither does "Silla," but at least it follows our naming conventions. -- Visviva 03:57, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
If it follows the rule, I won't bother argue. It just sort of annoyed me, because this seemed extremely mistranslated or mispronunced. -- Dooly00000 08:38, 29 April 2006 (EST)

thanks visviva

just wanted to say thanks to visviva for the hard work in general, and the royal infobox in particular. that was an awful mess for a long time.

on a related note, another call, for anyone interested, for comments on proposed updates at Misplaced Pages talk:Naming conventions (Korean)#Proposed guidelines Appleby 16:46, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

stuff

Hey all: Thanks for doing so much work for this site.

If anyone could write the inscription in Chinese and they can either use Mr. Hong's or Mr. Seeley's book for the Chiljido Also, there was a red link for Chiljido so I dove right in but what do you think about changing it to something else? And I found an image here: . Does anyone know if we can use it? Thanks!

Also hangul, hanja, romanization boxes for Emille Bell and Wongaksajisipcheungseoktap and Seokgatap would be appreciated. Thanks. Tortfeasor 05:19, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Lies to the people

If there are any North Korean users out there I would very much like to hear your opinion of the following matter: The only media sources in North Korea are Television and Radio completely controlled by the government. For years North Korea was one of the top two countries in famine rate, and refused any aid from western organisations until not long ago. The people were told that the entire world is in famine and that their situation is far better than other countries in the world while all the money of the government was spent on military. The people have no contact whatsoever with the outside world and tourism is banned. This information is of 2001. Is it correct? Have things changed since?

In answer to the above...

Ive been to DPRK as a tourist, so thats certainly not banned. As for contact with the outside world, I was able to mix pretty freely with the Koreans I met there. I believe North Koreans need permits to travel around, but I did see quite a few in Beijing wearing their Kim Il-Sung badges. Not sure about the famine, but the people of Pyongyang, Kaesong and Wonsan looked healthy enough. I'm not sure whether they believed the rest of the world was also in famine. They refer to their period of famine as "The Arduous March" and blame it on US hostile foreign policy. My trip there certainly opened my eyes to the fact that most of what we read and hear about DPRK in the western media is often completely distorted and downright misleading. The residents of Pyongyang, on the whole, seemed more content and at ease than the citizens of say London or New York. I'm not entirely sure of the reason, but I would put it down to the fact that nobody has to worry about paying the rent (housing is provided by the state) and nobody has to worry about how they will pay for all the overpriced fashion and electrical goods which are so cynically advertised to them and their children in the west. Just my view, be nice to read some others. Cheers.

POV

I found that the article "Sea of Japan always refers to the sea as "Sea of Japan (East Sea)". Doesn't it imply that the name "Sea of Japan" is the official name and "East Sea" is only parenthetical? I suggest that you change it into "East Sea/Sea of Japan" or "Sea of Japan/East Sea", (with slash instead of parentheses) which sounds much more NPOV. Frosty 22:06, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

This has been repeatedly brought up and discussed ad nauseum, and I believe the general consensus is that the current pattern is as good a compromise on the issue as we're likely to find. Although it might not be perfectly neutral, it's close enough for a substantial number of people. --Zonath 05:54, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Spheres

Could someone more familiar with the subject please take a look at Spheres (anime) - I can't figure out what half the listed production jobs are supposed to be and the initial paragraph has been jumbled so badly I have no idea what it nis trying to say. Shiroi Hane 13:39, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Multinational force in Iraq

Can someone look at the Multinational force in Iraq article? There you will find a suggestion that because the Korean army still uses conscription it might send soldiers to Iraq against their will. Can someone deny this? Mieciu K 11:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

There is still mandatory military service in Korea, so all males spend a couple years in one of the branches of the armed forces (usually the army). Strictly speaking, this service can in many cases be unwilling. Even so, I'm not entirely sure which soldiers they have in Iraq now. It seems a bit unlikely that they'd be sending conscripts over there, since there are volunteer units available. Although I spent a bit of time looking, I couldn't find any source pointing one way or the other on this -- there certainly isn't any source listed in the article itself. --Zonath 15:54, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
If you speak (and read) korean take a look at the website of the korean ministry of defence, maybe there you will find some specyfic info. From Poland at least theoreticly only proffessional soldiers or soldiers on contracts go to Ira, what attracts volunteers there is a much higher wage than they would get in Poland. Probably it is simmilar in Korea. Mieciu K 16:09, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
It is similar for the Korean division in Iraq as well. Regularly conscripted soldiers don't go to Iraq; they serve in Korea. The Zaytun division is composed of volunteers (prof. soldiers) who receive MUCH higher wage (seeing as how every adult male Korean citizens are required to serve in the army). Deiaemeth 08:03, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Weapons of Korea

Hey all: I came across an article about an ancient Korean artillery piece: . The article is pretty sparse on the details and it doesn't even mention a specific name for the weapon, but if anyone actually knows about this weapon I think it would make for a great article in the Weapons of Korea category. Thanks. Tortfeasor 22:45, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I haven't read it, but perhaps it is about the 화차 or the 신기전. Wikipeditor 02:43, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I thought it might be. Although, the picture on the link doesn't look like the Hwacha or Singijeon. Thanks for the response, W. Tortfeasor 02:47, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
This looks like a Korean variant of the Fire Arrow, and would have been created around the right time for that. A pity we don't have a name for it -- on the other hand, maybe we can create a History of Korean military technology article and add this along with general information on various other guns and ships and whatnot. By the way, here is the Korean-language version of the story -- not much more information there. -- Visviva 08:03, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

no references on Hangul

such an important article has no references.--Dangerous-Boy 19:01, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

more images

i found some more potentially usable images on flickr. anyone wanna upload to the commons, or at least provide specific identifying info?

  1. http://www.flickr.com/photos/rabble/122253232/ -> Image:Seoul Gyeongbokgung Blue House Bukhansan.jpg
  2. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pravin8/35475430/ -> Image:Seoul Station front entrance.jpg
  3. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pravin8/35484484/
  4. http://www.flickr.com/photos/rabble/130818317/ -> Image:Noodle drying rack.jpg
  5. http://www.flickr.com/photos/edvvc/54811615/
  6. http://www.flickr.com/photos/neaners/15140312/ -> Image:Pagoda outside of the Gyeonghuigung, Seoul.jpg
  7. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pravin8/35484439/ -> Image:Bangasayusang.jpg (added Appleby 18:45, 3 June 2006 (UTC))
  8. http://www.flickr.com/photos/framore/80930328/ -> Image:Guard statue in a Korean temple.jpg
  9. http://www.flickr.com/photos/dnk/104223617/ -> Image:Buddha statues in a temple on Jejudo.jpg
  10. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pravin8/35481995/ -> Image:Lotus latern festival 2001.jpg
  11. http://www.flickr.com/photos/zoomzoom/146914143/ -> Image:Coloured laterns at the Lotus Lantern Festival.jpg

Appleby 22:45, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I uploaded some of the pictures. I don't know, what the others display, so I can't think of a good name or description. -- iGEL (talk) 08:52, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

thank you very much, igel, i knew you'd come through :-). i started using the images (please help!), but just wondering:

thanks. Appleby 16:56, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

  1. 6 isn't Wongaksa but I'm sure I've seen it. (I can make an article once I figure it out). #7 is Bangasayusang and since the image I posted on the article is there via "fair use" I think this image would be better to use. Can anyone help me out? Do I need to delete the old image first? Tortfeasor 21:17, 23 May 2006 (UTC) p.s. I searched cultural heritage and used "seven" and "pagoda" (I think the pagoda in the picture has seven stories) and this is the closest thing that looked like it could be the same with picture #6: <contains>seven%20storied)&requery= , although, the base stones don't match. Tortfeasor 23:41, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
they are definitely two different pagodas, but i'm having a hard time id'ing the flickr photo. they look very similar except for the base, perhaps a pair of pagodas at the same site? also, can anyone photoshop the buddha statue photo, for lighting & color? Appleby 00:48, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Images

Hey all: I had a couple of questions. Can I use these pictures if they are uploaded to Commons? I only copied links to pictures that said "some rights reserved" instead of the lame "all rights reserved" which I am assuming I couldn't use. Also, it usually says I have to "attribute" and I'm not sure what that means. Thanks for any help. Tortfeasor 05:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

  1. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pravin8/35484448/in/set-785120/
  2. http://www.flickr.com/photos/xoxoryan/145804168/in/pool-korea/
  3. http://www.flickr.com/photos/comingupforair/153317091/in/pool-korea/
  4. http://www.flickr.com/photos/d200shootr/141792444/in/pool-korea/
  5. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bweisner/132866053/in/pool-korea/
  6. http://www.flickr.com/photos/sarahkim/81295400/in/pool-korea/
  7. http://www.flickr.com/photos/sarahkim/81295401/in/pool-korea/
  8. http://www.flickr.com/photos/sarahkim/81289627/in/pool-korea/
  9. http://www.flickr.com/photos/mike_55/1222511/in/pool-korea/

i really wish there was one simple step-by-step guide to finding & uploading proper images (maybe there is, but i haven't found it). here's what i found from stumbling around:

  • for usable flickr images, go to http://www.flickr.com/creativecommons/ and click on the first or last category. only these (attribution or attribution-share-alike) are acceptable licenses. we cannot use any image license that limits commercial or derivative use.
  • if you found a flickr image another way (if you clicked on above links by tortfeasor), click on the icon at the right where it says "some rights reserved", it will show you what specific license it is.
  • if it has a usable license, click on "see different sizes" to get the highest resolution image.
  • upload to the Commons after registering there.
  • while uploading, be sure to specify the original photographer (flickr user name) and the license (you may have to manually specify version if not in the drop-down list).

if you mention & link your new image here, & i can try to help link it from relevant articles. i got many of these tips from user igel above. thanks! Appleby 16:58, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

tortfeasor, it looks like the first three images are kosher, but not the rest ... Appleby 17:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Are you serious?!? Those are the ones I least wanted to use... Thanks for your help Appleby. Tortfeasor 17:49, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

yeah, it's not easy. if you really wanted, you could ask the flickr user to change the license. the third image is pretty cool, though. Appleby 17:56, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

hey this guy has a pretty nice gallery of usable pics from the war memorial here Appleby 18:22, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Chiljido

Hey all: Thanks for doing so much work for this site. I'm not an expert or anything so if anyone is interested, could they check on this article I wrote on the Chiljido. Primarily if anyone could write the inscription in Chinese and they can either use Mr. Hong's or Mr. Seeley's book. Secondly, any relevant links or information or advice would be great. Thirdly, I'm guessing a box with the hangul, hanja, etc. is needed. Sorry but I'm a dunce with the languages. Oh, and finally the title. There was a red link for Chiljido so I dove right in but what do you think about changing it to something else? And I found an image here: . Does anyone know if we can use it? Thanks! Tortfeasor 02:38, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

This article is amazing. I added onto it a little.(Wikimachine 03:46, 26 May 2006 (UTC))

Comments on etymology

Hi, I noticed that Seolleongtang and Bindaetteok mention etymologies that are virtually unknown/unsupported in Korea. Can someone help? --KJ 18:18, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

W. Sasse says seolleongtang has been from a Mongolian word seleng (sp?) “soup” + Sino-Korean 湯 “soup”. I don't get any Google hits supporting that. Perhaps seleng is an extinct word? Does anybody know some Old Mongolian? Wikipeditor 10:23, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Talk about the Anti-American factions in South Korea

I think this could do interesting addition, to show what they believe and what they don't. Sadly, they believe in Communism, which has no Freedom of Speech. --Dooly00000 13:05 24 June, 2006 (UTC)

Syol Chong

does anyone know more about about Syol Chong? must be a misspelled romanization. only mentions found in google are apparently from one individual's pretty sketchy speculation. maybe if someone knows the actual korean name, i can search more, but otherwise, seems it's really a candidate for deletion. Appleby 18:32, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Never heard of him. Gari Ledyard, who knows a thing or two about hangul, says that it should be attributed to King Sejong alone, if I remeber this article correctly . (It's a pdf). Tortfeasor 19:08, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Probably a misspelled, mistaken article on Seol Chong. Redirected. --Kjoonlee 03:57, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Vote: Tsushima Basin or Ulleung Basin

Hi all. On Talk:Tsushima Basin there is currently a vote about the name of the Tsushima Basin/Ulleung Basin. The vote runs till 08:57, 19 June 2006, voters need 100 edits and 1 month at Misplaced Pages in order to vote. -- Chris 73 | Talk 07:01, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Vote closed, Tsushima basin is the primary name to be used on Misplaced Pages when referring to the ocean feature, with alternative names in brackets. -- Chris 73 | Talk 09:02, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
the result of the poll was inconclusive, with neither name getting the 60% consensus (WP:RM) at this time. previous to this dispute, the basin was labeled "ulleung basin (tsushima basin)" since november 2005. Appleby 06:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Bae Yong Joon crisis

There has been a scam by newly registered users and annoyomous user ids removing certain data on this article. Such behaviour can be reflected on Misplaced Pages:NPOV and Misplaced Pages:Vandalism. To prove my point, please check the article's history and ask for semi-protection if possible.

There is general personal data on most featuring personalities in wikipedia. I don't see why even general personal data is removed, without cause. I have posted messages to ask for reasons a few months back when the first wave of such crisis occured. Help is greatly appreciated, and please notify me if anyone wishes to do so. Thanks. Mr Tan 17:27, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Whats happening, are Japanese users jealous of popular Korean culture again? Or are they angry and messed up the article like what happened to the Dokdo article. Good friend100 16:45, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Hahm Sokhyun

I haven't been able to find an article on Hahm Sokhyun, the philospher and activist who was imprisoned by every administration from the Japanese occupation through Kim Jongpil. What'll happen next is you all will suggest I write it, eh? --Dan 00:44, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Imjin war

Hey guys, good job on the Jang Yeongsil. I understand that the featured articles need some reediting. But I am too occupied on the Imjin War article and I need help on that too.

I really need help on reorganizing the structure of the article itself because writing the entire "Second Invasion" section made the structure not clear. Also, I have an extremely incomplete section on the timeline. I need help on making it look better. Thanks guys. Good friend100 17:12, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

The Imjin War title is already established. Good friend100 16:42, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Poll on deleting/leaving "depiction in media" in Turtle Ship

I would like to see many people vote on it to get the general consensus of the Wikipedian community.

talk:Turtle ship#Poll on deleting/leaving "depiction in media" (Wikimachine 21:11, 25 June 2006 (UTC))

Help on image copyright

I uploaded & it was from filesharing site so I couldn't confirm its copyright status. It's for Ahn Ikte. Does anybody know its copyright status or have replacement? thx (Wikimachine 04:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC))

Military History task force

I am trying to establish a "Far East task force" sub-section of the Military history WikiProject. If you're already working on military history articles, then all you need to do is offer your support and add your name to a list of task force members. You're already doing the task force's work; we don't ask much more than that. The link to my task force proposal is here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history#Far_East_Task_Force_Proposal. Thank you. LordAmeth 15:57, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

hanja in infobox

i got this message from User:StoM for help on displaying hanja properly in an infobox template. i just don't know enough to help him out, although i tried to copy/paste a section from the example he wanted to follow (if i understood correctly). anyways, this is just beyond me, & would appreciate it if anyone could help him out. Appleby 19:01, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

request from User:StoM

안녕하십니까? 제가 폴란드사람이기 때문에 한국어를 조끔 합니다. 그래서 이 言語 문제에 대해서 영어로 설명할 것입니다.

My knowledge about editing is very poor. I hope that you will be able to help me with this matter. To help you understand what I mean here is a link to a page where the Hanja is shown correctly in: Pyongan and Hanja in the Template.

Would you please make it showing in the same way in: Template:Korean_subway.

이 문제는 해결하고 나서 저를 알려주십시오!

도와주셔서 감사합니다!

스토츠코스키 미하우 올림

Appleby님 안녕하십니까? 도와주셔서 고맙습니다. 제가 분류를 확인하러 저기 Seoul_Subway_Line_1 갔습니다. 저기에 記號로 입력했떤
한자가 《서울地下鐵(第)一號線》 變換하기 후에 있어도 화면에 나오지 않습니다.

苦生이 많아서 罪悚합니다!

追伸: 당신의 찍는 사진과 韓國通貨 그림이 정말 잘 만든 것입니다!!!

이 문제는 해결하고 나서 저를 알려주십시오.

스토츠코스키 미하우 올림

nevermind, problem solved. Appleby 22:29, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Images

I found a very nice site with over a thousand images from Korea. . The photographers, on their site, state "any and all images can be used freely and without permission. The only request is that credit be given to NW-Photos.com." Tortfeasor 19:24, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

holy cow, that's a nice little jackpot! not all of them are exactly feature quality, but there are a lot of nice usable images. i will help with uploading soon. Appleby 18:07, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, it's pretty cool. I uploaded a bunch on to commons here: . Tortfeasor 18:14, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
If anyone wants to drop their two cents in I would appreciate it. I found a free pic of a Crown of Silla:. The main pic at the article, as of now, is . Obviously the second pic is a lot more impressive. Unfortunately, it's only a fair use pic. So, should we keep the flashier picture or go with the more legal one? Thanks. Tortfeasor 05:21, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

they actually look like 2 different crowns, why not use both for now? the free image is not too bad.

btw, please nominate some images & articles at the portal. the hwaseomun fortress image is awesome. Appleby 05:30, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

If I don't figure out how to nominate at the portal, I would suggest the Crown of Silla article. That fortress picture is money. I got it at flickr, a very nice user, d'n'c, is taking a trip through Korea I think and he took more

. Tortfeasor 06:41, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

On flickr, a user by the name of draq, is taking a lot of pictures of Korea. He has recently been to the War Memorial and taken a lot of good pictures. . If anyone needs images of weapons from Korea please make sure to credit draq's website and let him now via flickr to say thanks if you upload any images. Tortfeasor 18:51, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi everyone. It seems like a lot of pictures had licensing problems and were removed. I've uploaded a lot of pictures from flickr to Commons and most of them are here, , so please use them to illustrate Korean articles if the pictures are relevant. Thanks. Tortfeasor 04:55, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

New participant

Hello everyone! I am not sure I went about this the right way, but count me in! --Merkurix 15:51, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

welcome! just jump right in :-) if you haven't yet, please check out the Portal:Korea, and outstanding requests for help at Misplaced Pages:Korea-related topics notice board/to do. this list is also at the bottom of the portal, and most easily accessible from the talk pages of most korea-related articles; go to the template rectangle at the top of the talk page, and click on at the lower right of the rectangle. many many articles need citations/references, images, or just any kind of attention they can get. thanks! Appleby 16:52, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Standard naming scheme

Please see the discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Regional notice boards#A uniform naming scheme. Zocky | picture popups 00:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Old Hangul

Hi, the Hunmin Jeongeum article now has the Hunmin Jeongeum in Old Hangul. It's visible with Firefox and ttf-unfonts. I tagged it with {{SpecialChars}} because the text wasn't shown correctly in MSIE.

Maybe we need a better template, or better help instructions, because meta:Help:Special characters doesn't mention anything about Old Hangul. --Kjoonlee 06:15, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

hmm i'm not seeing the characters (i see ?), i'm using win xp & firefox. Appleby 21:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Oops, it turns out I was mistaken. I thought the Old Hangul was in "combined jamo" mode, but it turns out it was in an unofficial encoding using Unicode's "Private Use Area" codes. It will be invisible to someone who's not using proprietary fonts such as Haansoft Batang. I'll try to make an SVG image. --Kjoonlee 06:36, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Just in case there's more free stuff

Hi - I just noticed today the posting on the site with the photos free of use, which was some great news. A friend and I were thinking of setting out around the country a bit to take photos of most everything but since there's over 1000 of them there we can start with those and then later on go to places that haven't been covered yet. I'm one of the two sysops and bureaucrats of the Galbijim wiki, which is kind of like the Wookiepedia of Korean-related content, except that (besides being smaller) there's also quite a bit of copyright-free material such as books from the Gutenberg project on Korea, as well as explanations on Korean words that we hope will eventually turn into a pretty good dictionary.

I was wondering if anyone knows of any more copyright-free Korean related material though. So far I've put up all the books on the Gutenberg project, all the English-language and a few of the Korean-language official documents from Wikisource, and all the supreme court decisions on their website. Civil law, copyright law, and a few other legal documents too. Anybody know of any other good locations with copyright-free Korean material? Mithridates 16:03, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Mithridates: Don't let those photos of the free stuff discourage your planned trip cross-country ;) We could definitely use a lot more photos, espcially from museums and artifacts from museums and the non-Seoul temples and ruins and pagodas and statues. I came across this the other night while doing some research. . It has scans of the Hwaseong Fortress white paper. Is it { { pd-art} }? It is definitely old anyways. has a bunch of old photos too, but I'm not sure what the copy right laws are exactly. The VANK website has a lot of pictures but they never e-mailed me back about what their copy right was. I hope that helps, let me know if I can help with anything else. Tortfeasor 17:20, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Actually I've always thought about trying to find some way to both take pictures as well as get more media attention to the Korean Misplaced Pages. Koreans are great when they finally decide they like something but until they do it's really hard to get noticed. Most will use something like 지식인 on Naver instead of Misplaced Pages. Actually that reminds me, we should get the Korean Misplaced Pages set up like Naver so that it accepts typing in English as Korean, because even if you don't have Korean on your computer you can go to Naver and type rnrwpwjsghk for example which is what you type on a keyboard in Korean to get 국제전화 but Naver will recognize it as Korean because it's obviously not English. It's good for Koreans abroad who are using a friend's computer for example. A bit off-topic, but I wonder who I could talk to to make that change? Mithridates 13:03, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

M: Sorry, I have no idea about that but let me know if I can help you with anything else. Let me know if you post some pictures :) Tortfeasor 04:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Samcheongpo

Hi! Is this article a fake? I can't find any informations about this city. For example, look at this map, you won't find it there. Or try a Google search. The article history says, the author found it on Google Earth, but I'm quite sure there is no 삼청포시. -- iGEL (talk)

From what I can tell this place is a port in the city of Sacheon but it's certainly not a city. There are some places like a Samcheongpo community centre, bridge, that sort of thing. I'm still not sure exactly what it is but it's no city. Mithridates 12:59, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm quite sure it's a typo of Samcheonpo. It's nonexistant now because it was merged with Sacheon in 1995. Redirected. --Kjoonlee 13:13, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

South Korea template

Someone changed the template with the edit summary "country footer consistency"; is that a good change? In particular, the edit has reversed the order in which the names are listed. -- KittySaturn 12:37, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Korean language North-South differences

Hello people, I am trying to translate the Japanese article ja:朝鮮語の南北間差異 into English. Please help if you can! In particular I am having quite some trouble making the translations of names sound natural. And what about the name of the English article? It seems that any natural-sounding way I can think of for the article title makes it about twice as long (like, "Differences in the Korean language (as) used in North and South Korea"???) -- KittySaturn 19:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello again, somehow I managed to translate the whole thing, but there are HEAPS of pretty rough translations, including many I borrowed from the corresponding linguistic term as applied to Japanese, like "attributive form" - no idea what 連体形 is called in English (it's like the forms e.g. 먹은, 먹는, 먹을, 먹던... etc. for 먹다), since I have only learnt Korean in Japanese... So please help polish it! Thank you (^_^)_V (And thanks Wikipeditor for linking to it from the Korean language article about 15 seconds before I was going to myself, hehe) -- KittySaturn 22:19, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Attributive, perhaps? Wikipeditor 00:49, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

South Korean law

An article on South Korean law has been created, and could use a few more collaborators, if this touches on anyone's particular area of expertise or interest. --Zonath 00:54, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Korean name

Korean name is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 03:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Galbijim Wiki page up for deletion

Just thought I would let everybody know. Please vote or write your comments here. Mithridates 11:00, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Portal feature article

if anyone else is interested, it would be nice to get more participation Portal talk:Korea with the next featured article at Portal:Korea. i don't know how much traffic the portal actually gets, but this is a good opportunity to improve the quality of some deserving articles. also need help with a biography for the portal. Appleby 07:36, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Personally I'd like to see a Korean article go on the main page again, maybe either on Jeju-do or the 돌하루방 (those weird statues on the island). Jeju just became autonomous/self-governing and it would be nice to see the place get more attention from the rest of the world. Another interesting article could be on the Tamna language (탐라어) that used to exist there, but that wouldn't be that easy to write on because even in Korea knowledge of it is scarce as it went extinct some time ago. I'm pretty busy but I think with maybe about ten or so people and a fixed subject we could each put in five minutes a day on the article and get something good happening in a few weeks (because there's no rush). Any thoughts? Mithridates 11:48, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh, and sorry my message wasn't really related to the portal. It just got a few ideas going and I went off on a tangent. Mithridates 11:49, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
that's exactly the idea, if we have enough people participate in cleaning up articles for the Korean portal, we can improve them further for the main page featured article. although it's nice to see increasing numbers of Korea-related article editors, it's not easy getting them together for a project. Appleby 20:13, 25 July 2006 (UTC)