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Infrastructure planning

Should this redirect here? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 17:47, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

No infrastructure planning should be considered a sub-discipline. Technical urban planners work in infrastructure planning. They develop systemwide plans, create political consensus, arrange funding sources and write the scope of large complex projects (an example would be a development plan for a light rail line). They also analyze entire systems of public infrastructure and determine systemwide needs and maintenance. Civil engineers and electrical systems engineers play a very pivotal role in infrastructure planning as well and are traditionally considered the other major players in infrastructure planning as they pull projects into the other stages of program delivery. Infrastructure planning is also related to urban design and architecture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.24.181.239 (talk) 00:10, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Respectfully, urban and regional planning deal with larger projects...Data and Lore (talk) 18:54, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Data and Lore, your discussion is confusing and unclear. The distinction being made here is that infrastructure planning is a sub-discipline of urban planning in the same way that transportation planning is also a sub-discipline. Randomeditor1000 (talk) 00:27, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Global urban planning

Currently, there is no world map made for urban planning on a global level. Urban planning on a global level (across countries) would be advisable as that would allow to inform states on how to best move people (out of less developed zones with lush rainforests, biodiversity hotspots to regions that are allready developed and have little biodiversity anymore). It would also be advisable to do so in the interest of improving transport, supply of food, production of food (the people "solve" this by cutting down trees and converting the forest into cleared land), energy, ...

The map can be made by cross comparing following maps: http://www.earthenginepartners.appspot.com/‎ http://en.wikipedia.org/File:Population_density_with_key.png http://www.populationlabs.com/maps/World_Population_Map.png http://go.grolier.com/atlas?id=mtlr084&tn=/atlas/printerfriendly.html

For example, it would be best to move the people to grasslands/steppes, savannas, ... which have a far lower biodiversity, and also have richer soil, meaning less fertilisation is required.

In some instances, it may be even better to move people to other countries (with a different vegetation), rather than simply move them to more populated zones within the country. This, as they could then also continue their profession (ie farming). Countries to where the people would immigrate could

• drop their minimum wages (optional, useful as it can increase

revenue for country of destination)

• drop all restrictions for immigrants (ie permits to stay)
• pay the expenses to move the people into their country from a

different country (possible as the person, over his lifetime, would generate a lot more revenue than the expense of the transport). For the people themselves, it is also attractive as:

• they may attain a far higher wage for the same job
• there may be a better system of social security in their new country

Obviously, the people that would be moved would be people in forest land with high biodiversity, in specific targeting areas where population densities are still relatively low yet are beginning to rise, and where the infrastructure/urbanization is still relatively unadvanced. Some examples: if you cross compare the maps in annex, you'll see that for example in borneo, as well as in thailand, Brazil, Myanmar, ... there are areas that are beginning to have population in relatively low-populated zones; these people could be moved to more populated zones within the country, ...

80.200.225.169 (talk) 09:23, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

As an architect and instructor of Urban Planning I'm dismayed by the failure to take into account Climate change. Take as one example of climate change rising sea levels on the East Coat of the United States. More than 100 cities with populations greater than 100,000 can't be saved with sea walls and or levees from the consequences of the IPCC's Report V. Although much is made of the fact that cities presently have crumbling such as tunnels, roads and bridges, that have been in need of repair in some cases for seventy five years, they shouldn't be rebuilt in place but rather relocated to new ground more than 60 meters above present day sea levels. No urban planning which I am aware of that is dealing with this on an interstate regional basis for urban clusters such as the Bos-Wash corridor let alone on an international global level. We haven't even begun to seriously address climate change let alone the urban planning for it.

Cities such as Boston,New York, Washington DC., Norfolk, VA, Miami and New Orleans will be experiencing 2 feet of sea level rise by 2050 and another 2-3 feet of sea level rise by 2100. Urban planners might try climate change mediation, designing green buildings, using alternative energy and ceasing to design any carbon burning infrastructure, but projections are that despite this what we have already done will lock us into a rise of temperature to 2 degrees C by 2050 and go off the charts at 8-21 degrees C by 2150. Three earth atmospheres of methane hydrates, 25 times as serious a greenhouse gas as CO2, will be released as temperatures pass 2 degrees C. The result will be that the polar ice caps will melt not in millenia as we have been previously told but in centuries. Populations are projected to rise to 8 Billion by 2050 and crash to millions by 2150.

Away from the coasts populations will experience drought, flood, 100 year storms every decade and then every year, there will be plague, pestilence, crop failures, resource wars over drinking water, failures of distribution networks designed to bring power, communications, and water to infrastructure and to remove sewage, exhaust gases, and trash.

On large projects such as Boston's Big Dig, transportation projects linking shipyards, airports, commuter and freight railroads, subway projects and bus lines with underground utilities, temporary tunnels and bridges while keeping neighborhoods and commercial districts, manufacturing, schools, hospitals, police and fire functioning, urban planning can take 25 years. Within that time frame the US East Coast needs to move half a state of more inland Data and Lore (talk) 21:49, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello, I think there was a mistake done and part of the comments are now the "Urban planning" paragraph, which is obviously not following the Neutral point of view we should have by writing Misplaced Pages articles. (see: "No urban planning I am aware of is dealing" etc.) I suggest we delete it for the time being (as it's not academic) and the best would be to have someone writing one explaining to the point the pro's and con's of the Global Urban Planning concept. Weissespumpernickel (talk) 15:21, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Flyer22, see the discussions related to the topic. Thanks for your insights on it. Weissespumpernickel (talk) 15:26, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi guys, after some discussions, it has been decided to remove this paragraph as this is not academic. To include any paragraph about Global Urban Planning, please write a sourced and neutral article based on WP:Reliable sources, per the WP:Verifiability policy. Happy to provide my ideas on the topic. Weissespumpernickel (talk) 15:49, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

I wanted to thank Weissespumpernickel as this sub-section was written from an individuals point-of-view and was not encyclopedic. Just as point of contention this subject is not widely accepted within the field and there is some debate amongst the academic field.Randomeditor1000 (talk) 00:30, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Principles of Process Planning and aspect

Aspect: An aspect was considered for deal with regulation of admission into any room! of more or less sunshine. Aspect 1s meant for arrangement of doors and windows 1n the external walls of the bui1idingwh1ch allows the natural gifts of sun shine and air, scenery ect. Kitchen: Eastern aspect, so that the morning sun would refresh and purify the air and the kitchen would

              remain cool during latter part of the day.

Living Room: Southern or South-East aspect ,The sun 1s towards the south during coo1er days and the living rooms with south aspect will be benefited by the sun when it is winter and in summer as the sun would be on north side. Bed Room: West or South-west aspects the breeze required partlcular1y in summer, would prevail from that side. There will be no sun from the south side most of the year, the laundries and store rooms may be provided on that side. Light from North -evenly Distributed the Studios, reading rooms and class rooms are laid out with north aspect.

writer -waghmare vishal¡  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.239.47.98 (talk) 05:40, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Epic of Gilgamesh as the first recorded instance of Urban Planning occurring with the city of Uruk

The first recorded description of urban planning is described in the Epic of Gilgamesh for the city of Uruk.

"Go up on to the wall of Uruk and walk around ! Inspect the foundation platform and scrutinize the brickwork ! Testify that its bricks are baked bricks, And that the Seven Counsellors must have laid its foundations ! One square mile is city, one square mile is orchards, one square mile is claypits, as well as the open ground of Ishtar's temple. Three square miles and the open ground comprise Uruk. Look for the copper tablet-box, Undo its bronze lock, Open the door to its secret, Lift out the lapis lazuli tablet and read it"

The question arises what does this plan look like. Some imagine a central square of open ground surrounded by a circle of a square mile which is the city, and a second narrow circle of a square mile which is orchards and a third narrower still which is clay pits. archaeology provides a map about 2500 meters in diameter with a square of about 100 meters to a side between the buildings of the zigurat complex of which the temple of Ianna (Ishtar) is a part.Data and Lore (talk) 22:57, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

reference note 69 missing URL

I tried to fix this but couldn't and reverted my effortData and Lore (talk) 09:17, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Origins of organic urban planning

Organic urban design uses natural features and like nature abhors a straight line. Vitruvius addresses it as shaped by wind and water, In early and medieval cities and towns it exhibits natural closure where transit follows a course through residential neighborhoods of craftsmen and guilds, to market squares with glimpses of public works exposing attractive features that draw you farther in. Most organic urban design began in cave complexes around river mouths and deltas occurring where the waterways which were the first highways met some natural change of state; the ocean, rapids or a waterfall, steep cliffs that hemmed a river in making it go faster, an oasis along a coast or an island in a river. Almost all settlements originated either as trading posts, forts, ports, caravan watering holes, sources of natural resources such as clay, stone, bitumen, timber, spices, perfumes, a good place to hunt or fish, or a place to forage where natural grains or fruits grew wild. In most such places whoever controlled the water controlled the land and so organizing the digging of irrigation ditches or changing the course of streams became some of the first urban planning projects. Nomads whose hunting and gathering led them to such places tended to expand settlements with a seasonal meetup to trade, or exploit the growing cycles of flora and fauna. When the fish were running everybody would come to the falls and if they wanted to catch a lot of fish buy a basket or a net, trade furs for a boat or trade shaped obsidian for a throwing stick or trident.

Moving forward into a period when there began to be a division between land folk and seapeople there is a sharp division between the style of settlements. Sea people tend to choose a small island close to shore at or near an oasis with a fresh water source to which they may build a causeway creating a harbor. Land folk tend to build a

Merge Urban Land Use Model into this article

• Support. The above-referenced article hardly stands on its own. It makes more sense to merge it into this article & redirect. Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 11:39, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Article split

@Hendrick 99: split apart the sections History of urban planning and Aspects of urban planning, which IMHO is a good idea, as the article had become unmanageable. It's however always necessary to leave in or merge back a few introductory paragraphs. The same holds for the theories section which could be split apart as well, but needs a few introductory paragraphs to remain here. --PanchoS (talk) 23:15, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Fixing Urban Planning

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