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Walashma Dynasty
The Walashma have two genealogies:
- One points to Yusuf bin Ahmad al-Kawneyn, a Somali saint who devised a system a Somali nomenclature for Arabic vowels, his work eventually evolving into Wadaad writing. A Harari historian shared this , as did the semi-legendary apologetic "History of the Walashma" and Enrico Cerulli (a scholar in Ethiopian & Somali studies) who got the genealogy from Harar . It's only through him in this genealogy that they have 'Arab origins' because this Somali saint like all Somalis had an Arabian genealogy (even groups like Harari people have such genealogies; they're rarely ever to never legitimate)...
- The other genealogy which is the most accepted and shared, even shared by the famous Ibn Khaldun , is one that claims they are descended from Aqeel Ibn Abi Talib via the supposed Darod clan ancestor Isma'il al-Jabarti whose only descendant ever known to affect the Horn of Africa in anyway was Abidrahman, founder of the Darod clan. With any group claiming a Jeberti/Jabarti connection including Jeberti people who are mostly Tigrinya Muslims associating themselves with the Darod clan progenitor who supposedly came to the Somali Peninsula and took a daughter of the Dir clan chief named Dobira as his wife.
Their genealogies are "Arab", yes. Just like all Somali genealogies are but just as the Walashma page stated (you apparently didn't read all of it and see it's mentioning of where their genealogies trace to? Idk) their genealogies tie them directly & clearly to Somali figures who in turn claim Arab origins which are totally unlikely to even impossible (claiming to be descended from Hashemites/ relatives of the Prophet for example). Anyway, this is why historians such as I.M Lewis do not simply call them Arabs but "Arabized Somalis" or "Somalized Arabs" . Go to the talk page, there're even more sources on this there (I think it was the last discussion where a member was claiming they were Argobba).
They weren't Arabs (if you consider them "Arabs" then all Somalis are Arabs-> I suppose some would argue that though despite the genetic clarity that isn't true ;) ) and I suggest you read the page you're editing and the various sources as well as genealogies shared on it before you make such an edit... Otherwise; take care of yourself, man. And welcome to editing Misplaced Pages. Awale-Abdi (talk) 12:32, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Discussion on the Walashma Talk page
I made a discussion at the end of the Walashma talk page-> do check it out. Out of respect I wrote "Somalized Arab" or "Arabized Somali" on the page for neutrality's sake until we're done with our discussion. If you don't join in on the discussion then you're basically just edit warring, man. And that is against the rules here. So please; just join in, we'll have a civil conversation and hopefully move onto the lives we both have outside of this site. Thanks, I did appreciate your "multi-ethnic" compromise, says to me that you're interested in being civil here, thanks. Awale-Abdi (talk) 07:17, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
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