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Kaffeeklatsch update

I have archived the Kaffeeklatsch discussions that were here. All the brouhaha had died down. If it fires up again in the future, I'll take care of it then. Lightbreather (talk) 00:22, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

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ChrisGualtieri, when I go to questia.com, it says my membership is cancelled. Can you reactivate it? Lightbreather (talk) 21:35, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

@Lightbreather: - Did it expire or something? It should not have been cancelled because it was free. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:56, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

I believe the mix-up was because I had a personal, trial membership, and when I cancelled that I actually cancelled this one instead. Lightbreather (talk) 19:56, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Interaction ban between yourself and Eric Corbett

Lightbreather, per the result of the discussion here at WP:AE, you and User:Eric Corbett are indefinitely prohibited from interacting with, or, directly or indirectly, commenting on each other, broadly construed, per WP:IBAN. Although this discussion was held at WP:AE this is to be considered a Community sanction and any clarification requests or appeals should be made at WP:AN. Struck to replace with: This is a Discretionary Sanction that is an Arbitration Enforcement action under The GGTF decision as amended February 2015. You may appeal this sanction using the process described here. I recommend that you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template if you wish to submit an appeal to the arbitration enforcement noticeboard. Even if you appeal this sanction, you remain bound by it until you are notified by an uninvolved administrator that the appeal has been successful. You are also free to contact me on my talk page if anything of the above is unclear to you. Zad68 01:44, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Lightbreather, note that I amended the close to be an AE action as opposed to a Community Sanction. Zad68 01:48, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, Zad68, for the notice, and since I am currently restricted to my own page, may I ask a question about my other IBAN. That is, would this be an "appropriate forum" for "addressing a legitimate concern about ban itself"? Would an email be better? Lightbreather (talk) 00:23, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Lightbreather, you're welcome to email me and I'll give you my level opinion, but it'll only be my opinion as I have no particular expertise or experience in evaluating IBANs. Zad68 01:47, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Interaction ban

In accordance with the discretionary sanctions authorised at WP:ARBGGTF, you are hereby prohibited from addressing, referring to, commenting on, or otherwise interacting with Sitush, whether or not by name. Violation of this restriction will result in blocks. You may appeal this restriction in accordance with the appeals procedure. This restriction is in place indefinitely. You have the standard exemption to seek enforcement against Sitush should you feel that he has misconducted himself towards you, though it would be wise to seek advice privately from an admin you trust first. The immediate reason for this sanction is your conduct towards Sitush in a recent AN thread, and the broader reason the long history of animosity between the two of you. Since Courcelles states that he has no objection to such, I considered re-blocking you but decided that it would be more punitive than preventative, and so imposed this in lieu of a re-block. I second Courcelles' sage advice to spend your Misplaced Pages time in the mainspace and not on the drama and internal politics where you seem to run into problems. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:32, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

@HJ Mitchell: will you be putting Sitush under equivalent sanctions? Ironholds (talk) 01:28, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Courcelles might also consider this sage advice. He hasn't added content to an article since 17 January. Hawkeye7 (talk) 03:21, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration

You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Lightbreather and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. As threaded discussion is not permitted in most arbitration pages please ensure that you make all comments in your own section only. Additionally, the guide to arbitration and the Arbitration Committee's procedures may be of use.

Thanks, Karanacs (talk) 23:12, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Just FYI, "involved" is not an issue in the arbitration, as it is not an administrative action. Any user could file it, and they are generally file by those who are involved with the other party. Gaijin42 (talk) 02:30, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Please trim your statement at arbitration case requests

Hi, Lightbreather. I'm an arbitration clerk, which means I help manage and administer the arbitration process (on behalf of the committee). Thank you for making a statement in an arbitration request at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case. However, we ask all participants and commentators to limit the size of their initial statements to 500 words. Your statement significantly exceeds this limit. Please reduce the length of your statement when you are next online. If the case is accepted, you will have the opportunity to present more evidence; and concise, factual statements are much more likely to be understood and to influence the decisions of the Arbitrators.

For the Arbitration Committee, --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 21:43, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

As a named party, I thought I got 1,000 words. However, since I've been told that my opinion that Karanacs is involved doesn't matter for this action, can I just remove that? Lightbreather (talk) 21:47, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

The 1000 word limit for parties is for evidence; every preliminary statement is limited to 500 words. Thanks, --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 21:53, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

You can check your word count at http://wordcounttools.com/. Right now, your statement rates 1209 words although it is a bit fewer than that because diffs do not count. But you can consider your statement at at least twice the length that it should be. Liz 21:55, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. And what about questions? I have several unanswered questions there. Lightbreather (talk) 22:00, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

• FYI, since this page is still on my watchlist and A/R/C has been for years ... you might want to focus your statement on why the arbs should or should not accept the case, what the case's scope should be, and/or why you want those specific editors listed as parties. For the most part, the actual "evidence" (who did what and when and the various claims and counter-claims) can wait for the for the case itself if or when it's accepted. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:11, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, what HJ Mitchell said is pretty sound advice for anyone who is involved with an ArbCom case request. Liz 22:25, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

• Lightbreather, my thanks for trimming your statement so promptly. --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 01:37, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome. Lightbreather (talk) 01:42, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

L235 could you please talk with arbitrators about giving me permission to have 1000 words for my statement? I am trying to convince them to add eight people as involved parties. After adding six to my statement I'm up to 800 words and I need room for two more. Considering how many people are lining up to "try" me (so to speak), and since Karanacs got 500 words to talk about me, I don't think this is asking too much. Lightbreather (talk) 01:55, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't actually have any authority to grant your request. However, I'll bring it to the arbitrators' attention. Thanks, --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 02:01, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

L235, also, how do I ask for an arbitrator to recuse? Lightbreather (talk) 03:06, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Per Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Policy#Recusal_of_arbitrators, you may post a message on the arbitrator's talk page asking the arbitrator to recuse and giving reasons. Should the arbitrator not respond, or not recuse, the user may refer the request to the Committee for a ruling. Thanks, --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 03:12, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Salvio declined my request to recuse. As clerk, can you refer my request to the Committee? I'm trying to conserve my words. Lightbreather (talk) 16:37, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

• Lightbreather, your statement extension request has been declined. The Committee has directed that I indicate clearly that the evidence phase may be used to submit a longer file of evidence. For the Arbitration Committee, --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 15:59, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

OK. Then I respectfully request that I have until Monday afternoon - say 19:00 UTC - to finish trimming and adding to my statement. Afterall, this is a record of the first step in what could be - if it goes forward as Karanacs proposed - a Lightbreather v. 7 Named But "Uninvolved" Parties - plus their Wikifriends. It is the birthday weekend of a direct family member, and I'd like not to have to spend all of it on this RFAR. (I've been working this morning on evidence about the last 2 of 8 editors whom I have suggested are involved, but my family is rousing from their beds so I'll be leaving my office soon.) Lightbreather (talk) 16:34, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Both of your requests have been referred to the Committee. Please be aware that the Committee has already authorized the clerks to open the case at 17:52 UTC today, so if the Committee declines your latter request, the case will open at 17:52 UTC. Thanks, --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 16:52, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

• An arbitrator has directed that I open the case and also has directed that I remind you that as the case request has been accepted, there's no need to be adding more material to the case request page., and that if you wish to add additional material they can do it in /Evidence. If there's additional parties they think should be here too, they can make their argument for this at /Evidence too, as parties can be added or removed from a case at any time. Thanks, --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 00:18, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi, that was me. Adding to the above, the case request stage is really to determine if there is a case, and if so what its general scope might be. The /Evidence stage is the best place to really get into the detail on individual parties. -- Euryalus (talk) 00:37, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Lightbreather. I'm going to be one of the drafters. I've asked that the case dates (Workshop and Proposed decision) hinge around when we can get a 2nd drafter as I believe that there should be more than one drafter. I've come here to say that we had an extensive discussion about your recusal request, but that there has been no consensus that Salvio should recuse. Dougweller (talk) 09:22, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

The proposed decision in this case will be that Salvio be desysopped. Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:36, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration case opened

You were recently listed as a party to a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Lightbreather. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Lightbreather/Evidence. Please add your evidence by May 17, 2015, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Lightbreather/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 00:48, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

SPI

I have opened a sockpuppet investigation, as I believe Felsic to be your sockpuppet. Faceless Enemy (talk) 11:33, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Sheesh. Responded there. Ignore it, Lb. --GRuban (talk) 19:00, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Based on the evidence that GRuban presented here, it appears I was incorrect. My apologies. Faceless Enemy (talk) 11:28, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

FYI

This edit caught my attention. Seeing it involves you, do what you like with it I don't feel like getting myself involved with the evidence phase. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:14, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Interaction bans and the ArbCom case

Here is what I am telling editors who have an interaction ban with you (note that I might not finish this tonight as real life is occurring):

Editors banned from interacting with Lightbreather are reminded that the banning policy states that:

"if editor X is banned from interacting with editor Y, editor X is not permitted to:reply to editor Y in discussions or make reference to or comment on editor Y anywhere onWikipedia, whether directly or indirectly".

This includes case talk pages. However, while the Committee allows editors some leeway to respond to statements about them on the evidence and workshop case pages, they may not participate in the case except to respond with statements about allegations that have been made about them and may not make direct communication. Such statements that they do make must be brief, to the point, and civil. Editors with interaction bans who fail to comply with the letter or spirit of this very limited exemption will be treated as though they breached the interaction ban.

This also applies to you, so I need to ask you to revise some of your evidence. If another editor (eg Karanacs) with whom you do not have an iban raises an issue concerning one of the editors with whom you do have an iban, you can of course respond to that. But you should not be submitting evidence about them directly, nor should they. Can I also remind you that if you wish to complain about violations of an iban, that WP:BANEX says you can ask "an administrator to take action against a violation of an interaction ban by another party (but normally not more than once, and only by mentioning the fact of the violation)." Dougweller (talk) 18:30, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Karanacs led her preliminary statement with links to my ibans and requests for ibans. They're the backbone of her case that I'm a "battleground" editor. They were presented, essentially, as diffs, which "may be relied upon by arbitrators when drafting the proposed decision." Can you please discuss this with the other arbitrators? Since I am the sole "defendant" in this case, gagging me this way hardly seems fair. I can't defend myself without addressing - in the appropriate place: the evidence page - the behaviors of others who contributed to the arrival of this case. Lightbreather (talk) 18:49, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

I also mentioned these editors in my preliminary statement, without being notified of objections by an arb or clerk. Lightbreather (talk) 18:51, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Lightbreather You were duly notified yesterday and despite the notification you went on to post excessively detailed material about a mutually i-banned editor on the case talk page. We expect you to conduct yourself in the accordance with WP:BANEX and continued breaches of it may result in sanctions.  Roger Davies 07:01, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Roger beat me to it. I cannot understand why you would do this after being notified. Dougweller (talk) 09:48, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Dougweller I have to agree with LB on this point. The iBans themselves are being used as evidence against LB, she should be permitted to discuss (within reason) the circumstances that led to those ibans. Obviously this is a risky proposition for LB though, as rehashing old arguments could itself be seens as evidence of the battleground. A narrow path for her to weave, but she should be allowed to try. Gaijin42 (talk) 18:53, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

To clarify, (this is also relevant for Lightbreather) this is how the applicable site policy (WP:BANEX) applies to this case. Karanacs (who is not i-banned) has posted material about Lightbreather in the case request and on the evidence page. Lightbreather may directly rebut Karanacs'evidence by posting on the /Evidence page. That may involve commenting on i-banned editors if they have been mentioned by Karanacs. Such rebuttals need to be succinct, to the point, and use links instead of direct quotes. Any i-banned editor who is mentioned in Lightbreather's rebuttal may, in turn, rebut the allegations made by Lightbreather, but only on the /Evidence page. Commentary about mutually i-banned editors on talk pages is explicitly prohibited. Thus, everyone gets a full opportunity to rebut allegations. But no one gets the opportunity to raise dozens of interesting new issues. No one gets the opportunity to launch ad hominem attacks, cast aspersions and what not, or engage in slanging matches. What's not to like?  Roger Davies 07:01, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Evidence length

Hi, Lightbreather. The Arbitration Committee has asked that evidence presentations at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Lightbreather/Evidence by parties be kept to around 1000 words and 100 diffs. Your presentation is over 2700 words. Please edit your section to focus on the most relevant evidence. If you wish to submit over-length evidence, you must first obtain the agreement of the arbitrators by posting a request on the /Evidence talk page.

For the Arbitration Committee, --L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 21:33, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

I did ask, on May 5. Can you remind the arbs, please? Lightbreather (talk) 21:36, 7 May 2015 (UTC)