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Welcome!

Welcome to Misplaced Pages, EnglishEfternamn! Thank you for your contributions. I am TheOriginalSoni and I have been editing Misplaced Pages for some time, so if you have any questions feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. You can also check out Misplaced Pages:Questions or type {{helpme}} at the bottom of this page. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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=)EnglishEfternamn_*t/c* 01:30, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Thought you ought to get a proper welcome now that you're back :) TheOriginalSoni (talk) 01:31, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate this! EnglishEfternamn_*t/c* 01:39, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

I suggest you replace the shadow effect in your signature by bold, or something else. It's kind of hard to read in the shadow effect. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 02:24, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Did it. EnglishEfternamn_*t/c* 02:32, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Like TheOriginalSoni (talk) 15:15, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Longboarding

Howdy! I've left you a note there but I thought I'd leave a note here too. It seems you and I stumbled on the same article at the same time. I've been keeping an eye on Longboard (skateboard) for a while, trying to stop promo-spammer inserting the name of their garage skateboard/longboard company into various articles (which happens about once a week). Today, some of that promo-spam led across to me Longboarding where I had a quick crack at cleaning up, then noticed your note.

I've been a member of WP:SKATE for a while now (feel free to join us!) and there are plenty of related articles that need work. More than happy to work with you to fix that particular one. Cheers, Stalwart111 22:54, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Excellent! Btw do you longboard? I do. It's cool to see people interested in skating on Misplaced Pages. I'm looking for authoritative pages that talk about the basic techniques, sliding, carving, pumping, etc. Most of what the article says is spot on, however, there are virtually no sources. It'd be an awesome article if it was fully encyclopedic, and would draw new viewers to WP too. EnglishEfternamn_*t/c* 23:15, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Not longboarding, no, just the "regular" kind of skateboarding, though less and less in my old age! Ha ha. But, like you, I found most of the skateboarding-related pages to be completely inadequate so I joined the Skateboarding Wikiproject and there's a few of us who work on skate articles in amongst other things. So far I've re-written Skateboarding styles, Skateboarding sponsorship and International Association of Skateboard Companies. In collaboration with others, I've also started some new biographies. I've been trying to keep track of things here. There's another guy in the process of rewriting the primary skateboarding article, basically from scratch. He has some great sources! Sourcing the articles is possible, you just have to look (some times very hard). If I can do anything to help, just let me know. The other guys from the WikiProject are always helpful too! Stalwart111 01:53, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Oh cool! I can't skateboard but I'm pretty adept at longboarding. I like the latter more anyway because you can just roll around and enjoy the scenery. Well.. I think pages that talk about longboarding techniques would be helpful, as long as they're not forum stuff. Keep your eye out for them, I will too. EnglishEfternamn_*t/c* 19:48, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan! I've undone one of your edits but have no problem with you adding some of it back. We need to be careful to avoid any of the "how to" kind of stuff. We should be providing an account of what people do, not telling them how to do it. But I mostly undid that edit because about.com is a notoriously unreliable source, mostly because (like Misplaced Pages) it is user-generated. But if you can find an alternate source, go for it. Stalwart111 00:18, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I'll be on the lookout. EnglishEfternamn_*t/c* 00:37, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

FYI

Re your report at UAA — real names are suitable usernames NTox · talk 04:23, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

That it is a real name is not the issue. See the description. EnglishEfternamn_*t/c* 04:40, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Note - If the user is promoting himself, that is a different issue than being a "Username for administrator attention". I've reverted the user in question, and tagged his template for deletion. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 04:51, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you O.S. @NTox, the reviewing administrator has the right to determine whether a violation has taken place. If he rejects the claim altogether, I will happily accept that decision. EnglishEfternamn_*t/c* 04:55, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

As you wish. TheOriginalSoni touched on it, but when the admin declines, the lesson is: real names are not promotional, so the username does not violate the policy about promotional usernames. Unless the name violates the policy for some other reason, there is no username issue. Rather, there is a potential neutrality/COI issue that the username helped expose. A separate issue. NTox · talk 05:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

You're correct, and the COI issue was what I had in mind. Perhaps I should have left the username aspect out of this. Your concern is noted. I'll try to be more careful next time.EnglishEfternamn_*t/c* 06:05, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Re this one too - I don't want to get too hard on your case, but UAA needs proof in the form of edits or log entries that an account is promotional, not just the 'look' of promotion. Take a look next chance at the policy and UAA instructions; it's all explained there. NTox · talk 23:48, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. I won't report another username until I am more familiar with the UAA policy. EnglishEfternamn_*t/c* 00:37, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Cookie for DRM

MGray98 has given you a cookie! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. You can spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

Great job on the Tanzania case on the DRN. I just closed the case for "resolved".

To spread the goodness of cookies, you can add {{subst:Cookie}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message, or eat this cookie on the giver's talk page with {{subst:munch}}!

Thank you!EnglishEfternamn_*t/c* 19:03, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Teahouse talkback

Hello, I answered your question at the Teahouse. Cullen Let's discuss it 21:37, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Not cool

While it's good for spammers to be blocked, grave-dancing like this isn't appropriate, and, in fact, is more likely to encourage future disruption. Qwyrxian (talk) 22:54, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

I kind of meant it as a symbolic gesture that people who break the rules here get thrown off, but I realised it wasn't the best edit I've ever done. That's why I reverted it. Sorry, won't happen again.EnglishEfternamn_*t/c* 22:58, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

It's okay...trust me, I understand your feeling. Promotional editing, spamming, and vandalism are so irritating, especially if you're the one who's right up against the person trying to keep an article neutral and in good condition, and so it totally feels good when the problematic editor is blocked (at least temporarily...it won't surprise me if s/he comes back under a new name). Qwyrxian (talk) 23:06, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

American Dad!

EnglishEfterman, please read your edits carefully. Doniago removed age-level ratings and failed to remove the sources that supported that information as shown here . I then came in and removed the sources that he failed to remove, as shown here . You then come and restore them, as shown here . I then remove them and explain to you what you have just done, as shown here . Despite that, you remove them again , stating something about a discussion about WP:DRN and policy.

Moreover, user Doniago was not focused on the content dispute in the content resolution dispute you participated in with him. He was still whining about me and his failure at the Administrative Noticeboards (as shown here and here ). The rules of that discussion were to not bring in any other matters outside of the content dispute, but the user blatantly disobeyed that command and started whining about his failure at the Administrative Noticeboards to have me blocked. I'm wondering why he was never called out for this.

It was the umpteenth time the user disobeyed a command to treat the matter as a content dispute. He was told that by several different admins at the administrative noticeboards, editors, Help page individuals, etc. Meanwhile, I have been trying to debate this matter out in multiple forums Doniago opened up, such as shown here where another editor sees the matter my way . But Doniago was too busy with a sole purpose of trying to get me blocked throughout the whole matter. Beyond different admins dismissing him at the Administrative noticeboards and telling him to focus on the content dispute, he's been on the talk pages of NUMEROUS editors asking them to vouch for him in trying to get me blocked. Doniago was busy asking nuuuumerous editors to support him in his aims while I was trying to debate out the matter, such as shown here , here , here , , here , here , and here , etc.

Regardless, I'm now done with this issue, but have informed the user that if harassment of this nature picks up again, he will be swiftly reported. Also, the supporting sources to age-level ratings need to be removed if the age-level ratings are removed, otherwise you're making it seem as though those links support the Annie Awards which they don't. AmericanDad86 (talk) 00:32, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

I just took care of it. Please understand I mean no hard feelings. The WP:DRN case is strictly a content dispute and in that regard the consensus rules in Doniago's favour. I did say that I would support him in terms of the incivility issues, but seeing as this feud between the two of you is CLEARLY so much more extensive than I realised, I'm neutral on the matter. I'm not taking sides between the two of you in regards to personal attacks. Outside the DRN case, you both will have to work this out some other way. Cheers.EnglishEfternamn_*t/c* 00:42, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Editing the Tea Party movement article

There is currently a discussion relating to the above topic at Talk:Tea_Party_movement/Moderated_discussion#Phase_2.

In case you are not aware, there is a suspended Arbcom case related to the editing of the TPm article, and the moderated discussion has been brought about as part of that process. Please comment there. The article is under discretionary sanctions.

I'd advise looking at this previous version of the page that had a subsection on the Constitution in the Agenda section for material and sources that will be addressed in the ensuing discussion.--Ubikwit_{見学/迷惑} 06:08, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Alright then, I will take a look at it.EnglishEfternamn_*t/c* 07:28, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Quotes

Hi,

I just wanted to inform you that the reason you were reverted at the socialism article was because you were altering a QUOTE. A quote is something said by a person, and we cannot alter it the way we normally alter grammar and style in ordinary articles. We simply write whatever the person said/wrote. This is why other editors disagreed with your edit.

Hope you understand now, Cheers, TheOriginalSoni (talk) 09:44, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

ANI

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. DonIago (talk) 11:13, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Gee Wizz

Geeze whizz cheese whizz, thanks for welcoming me! I will give you a present! --1 Letter Wrong (talk) 20:52, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Bacon

	Bacon Award
	Remember to grill it, not fry it 1 Letter Wrong (talk) 20:53, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Lol thanks EnglishEfternamn_*t/c* 20:56, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

LukeSurl 08:59, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

— Arthur Rubin (talk) 20:23, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

GA review

Hi, I'll be reviewing Sonic the Hedgehog (1991 video game) in the next few days. Here's the review sheet so you can add it to your Watchlist. Thanks in advance for your work on the article! ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 18:22, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, your quick response means a lot!EnglishEfternamn_*t/c* 20:44, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

No problem. Oh, and don't feel so hurried to work on the article. I can give you over a week to work on it. Thanks. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 00:58, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

DRN needs your help!

Hi there. I've noticed it's been a while since you've been active at DRN, and we could really use your help! DRN is going to undergo some changes soon, so it'd really be great if our backlog is cleared before the start of August and we have as many people on board to help with the changes (they include a move to subpages and the creation of a rotating "co-ordinator" role to help manage things day-to-day. Hope to see you soon! Steven Zhang 11:10, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

DRN needs your help!

Hi there. I've noticed it's been a while since you've been active at DRN, and we could really use your help! DRN is going to undergo some changes soon, so it'd really be great if our backlog is cleared before the start of August and we have as many people on board to help with the changes (they include a move to subpages and the creation of a rotating "co-ordinator" role to help manage things day-to-day. Hope to see you soon! Steven Zhang 11:28, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

The new face of DRN: EnglishEfternamn

Recently the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard underwent some changes in how it operates. Part of the change involved a new list of volunteers with a bit of information about the people behind the names.

You are listed as a volunteer at DRN currently, to update your profile is simple, just click here. Thanks, Cabe6403 17:07, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

ANI August 2013

--John (talk) 13:38, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

NOTE: John, if you are reading this, I feel I have to assert myself. I have acknowledged the block and will not put that image in my page anymore. But I'm not going to "change my attitude" as Werieth demands. There's no WP policy on "attitudes". I have agreed to stop and I'm receiving what you believed was the appropriate sanction. I feel I have the right not to like everyone on Misplaced Pages, and I am certainly tired of seeing this user follow my userpage so closely. EnglishEfternamn_*t/c* 23:53, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Your involvement with DRN

Hi there, I noticed that you haven't been as active at DRN as you was before. DRN has been a bit backlogged lately and we could use some extra hands. We have updated our volunteer list to a new format, Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution noticeboard/Volunteers (your name is still there under the old format if you haven't updated it) and are looking into ways to make DRN more effective and more rewarding for volunteers (your input is appreciated!). If you don't have much time to volunteer at the moment, that's fine too, just move your name to the inactive list (you're free to add yourself back to active at any time). Hope to see you again soon :) Steven Zhang (talk) 13:13, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Your involvement with DRN

Hi there, I noticed that you haven't been as active at DRN as you was before. DRN has been a bit backlogged lately and we could use some extra hands. We have updated our volunteer list to a new format, Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution noticeboard/Volunteers (your name is still there under the old format if you haven't updated it) and are looking into ways to make DRN more effective and more rewarding for volunteers (your input is appreciated!). If you don't have much time to volunteer at the moment, that's fine too, just move your name to the inactive list (you're free to add yourself back to active at any time). Hope to see you again soon :) Steven Zhang (talk) 13:17, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

File:EfternamnLogo.jpg.png listed for deletion

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You may delete it. I don't use that logo anymore. Thanks for letting me know.EnglishEfternamn_*t/c* 00:42, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

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DRN needs assistance

You are receiving this message because you have listed yourself as a volunteer at the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard.

We have a backlog of cases there which need volunteer attention. If you have time available, please take one or more of these cases.

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Best regards, TransporterMan 15:52, 8 January 2015 (UTC) (current DRN coordinator)

DRN request

The request for assistance regarding My contributions to Emmanuel Lemelson and Lemelson Capital Management made at the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard has been closed and archived because the request was made manually rather than through our listing form. Unfortunately, doing so breaks the page automation at DRN handled by a couple of bots and can't be allowed to remain in place. Any of the parties to the dispute should feel free to refile using the listing form available through the "Request dispute resolution" button at the top of the page, if dispute resolution is still needed. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 13:39, 12 May 2015 (UTC) (current DRN Coordinator) This is an informational posting only and I am not watching this page

Social Democrats USA

I suggest that you advise the participants to be civil and concise and to comment on content, not on contributors. That advice is always useful. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:06, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

What's going on? Are they getting rude? I'm gonna take a look now, this is the first time I've logged on here today. EnglishEfternamn_*t/c* 01:09, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

You are a participant.

When the filing editor complains that I have removed information because of my politics, you should ask that the editor comment on edits rather than editors and comply with WP:AGF rather than repeat the concern about my political bias. When you repeat the questions about my alleged bias, after I have thrice asked you to read the article you claim to moderate and after I have thrice noted that the material is back in the article (in context, in the body, and in expanded form), it's time for you to step aside from this moderation and perhaps from others.

Your noticeboard might be useful for referring disputes to appropriate noticeboards, if moderators would screen complaints to check whether the participants have tried to use the talk page or to edit in a collaborative and NPOV fashion, first. I have trouble seeing any other productive role for it.

Dame Etna (talk) 10:02, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

We should probably keep this discussion on the page itself, for simplicity. EnglishEfternamn_*t/c* 10:14, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

"Good gravy!"

Immediately before and after my post, Robert McClenon (talk · contribs) and Bishonen (talk · contribs) have raised concerns about your conduct as a moderator, suggesting that a discussion of your moderating conduct here may interest them and others (without further distraction at that noticeboard).

Dame Etna (talk) 10:39, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

And they are perfectly welcome to do so. I only asked that the discussion be on the dispute noticeboard because that is where the discussion is. This case is not by me, mind you. It is about the conflict regarding SDUSA, lest we forget. To be honest, I am starting to think that stepping off this case and leaving it to someone else or suggesting you go to AN/I may be the best option. EnglishEfternamn_*t/c* 10:44, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Why go to ANI? What administrative attention is needed? Why would I go?

Dame Etna (talk) 10:53, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

May 2015

An admin points out problematic editing to you and you remove it as "harassment"..? Without taking care of the issue, too. Are you really a volunteer at the Dispute Resolution noticeboard? Bishonen | talk 11:46, 19 May 2015 (UTC).

I'm sorry, Bishonen. Won't happen again. Didn't I take care, for now? I agreed to stop the edits until I found the source.EnglishEfternamn_*t/c* 11:54, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Apology accepted, but where did you agree to stop the edits? A note on the talkpage to that effect might be helpful, considering that the other editor took the trouble to write a whole elaborate thing. Agreeing inside your head isn't the same thing. Also I think it was a question of WP:UNDUE at least as much as of sourcing. But I'm done here — I understand that you want to do the right thing. Bishonen | talk 13:26, 19 May 2015 (UTC).